If you dont like the online DRM...

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 09:54 AM

... perhaps you could explain the FACTS to us all here.

no opinions.

just FACTS by answering these questions:

1. Do i have to have the game disk to play?

2. Will save games be saved on my PC?

3. If i lose connection, will i have to start all the way over back in port?

4. Does the service, by itself, cost anything (per month, etc)?

5. Does UBI install any spyware, malware or fishy software to monitor my online experience?

01-27-10, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

... perhaps you could explain the FACTS to us all here.

no opinions.

just FACTS by answering these questions:

1. Do i have to have the game disk to play?

2. Will save games be saved on my PC?

3. If i lose connection, will i have to start all the way over back in port?

4. Does the service, by itself, cost anything (per month, etc)?

5. Does UBI install any spyware, malware or fishy software to monitor my online experience?

4. Service might be free, but who can guarantee that UBI will not be asking to pay extra for patches/updates/addons in the future to be able to download, thus draining out customers who already payed full price for the very first release.

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 10:03 AM

LOL let me help.

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

1. Do i have to have the game disk to play?

Nope, your game disc can be shelved to protect it from scratches and other damages.

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

2. Will save games be saved on my PC?

Yes

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

3. If i lose connection, will i have to start all the way over back in port?

No, you will start right back where you left off when the connection was lost.

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

4. Does the service, by itself, cost anything (per month, etc)?

No

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

5. Does UBI install any spyware, malware or fishy software to monitor my online experience?

No

So.....

whats the big deal?

Q3ark · 01-27-10, 10:05 AM

TDK1044 · 01-27-10, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

LOL let me help.

Nope, your game disc can be shelved to protect it from scratches and other damages.

Yes

No, you will start right back where you left off when the connection was lost.

No

No

So.....

whats the big deal?

This is the big deal.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...4&postcount=23

karamazovnew · 01-27-10, 10:13 AM

You're wrong GR. On nr. 3, if you loose net connection the game freezes and waits. If you quit, you can only load the last save, wherever it may have been. We don't know yet if we can then save offline and upload the save to the server.

But the big deal for me is that right now I spend 3-4 days a week away from home. I travel a lot on trains that have electrical sockets, but no net. I can play SH3 just fine on my laptop but I won't be able to play SH5. Sure I could play it at home if I weren't too busy "giving flowers" to my girlfriend. Oh well, SH3 it is then...

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

-People who simply want to buy a game with no strings attached.

Read your EULA on ANY game you have ever installed

No strings attached commercial software does not exist that im aware of.

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-People who have no internet connection (either a gaming PC, or navy people in deployment and so on).

So those without internet connection then... I guess nobody will be travelling back to 1984 and playing SHV... bummer

As for people on deployment... i would imagine that SHV will just be on a long list of games they wont be able to play unfortunate as that really is.

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-People who have a connection paid per hour (dialup, some broadband services etc). If you play your weekly 5 hours of SH5 it's going to raise the bill significantly.

People still do this???

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-People who just have a not so stable connection, if your game pauses for anywhere between 5 and 30 minutes everytime there's bad weather or whatever connection issue it's not going to make anybody happy.

While this is true... it brings this image to mind.

(some folks need to roll with the punches and grow up and realize that this scenario is VERY RARE.)

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

People who tell others that "this is modernity and if you don't have 27/7 broadband you shouldn't be playing hi-end games", well they're full of ****. The only requirement for a hi-end solo game is a hi-end computer, and those are available regardless of internet coverage. Internet is as relevant to solo gaming as my oven is to my toaster.

an excellent point.

but... you have these options

1. buy the game and deal with it

2. dont buy the game and sulk

3. Do either 1 or 2 but in the mean time, stop crying and whining at subsim about it, it is not our fault and nobody here can do anything about it.

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by karamazovnew

You're wrong GR. On nr. 3, if you loose net connection the game freezes and waits. If you quit, you can only load the last save, wherever it may have been.

source, because thats not what i read at ubi.

01-27-10, 10:30 AM

GR I wish you luck but I'm affraid you won't change the tide much. Ppl actually don't want to be attached to internet when they play career and furthermore they don;t want to be dependent from internet connectivity since this might and will interfere with natural gameplay. I deffinetly don't want the game to be paused if I suddenly loose ic. This makes no sence at all.

badkarma · 01-27-10, 10:34 AM

Let's add 6th and 7th questions that are biased like yours but in the other direction:

6. When UBI's servers go down for the evening when you want to play, are you happy to be locked out of the game you bought?

7. As this does nothing to stop piracy (see every other game that's been DRM'd, including huge stalwarts of the industry like Empire, Modern Warfare and the Steam platform), are you happy for these restrictions that can stop you playing totally outside of your control when the only advantage of them is to the publisher to stop 2nd hand sales and to monitor your usage?

In response to 5. Does UBI install any spyware, malware or fishy software to monitor my online experience? - As you're connected to their server and they're aware of everything you do in the game as you do it, and can quite easily have a nice skim of all your hardware, drivers, frame rates, etc. That'd be a yes.

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by zulus

GR I wish you luck but I'm affraid you won't change the tide much. Ppl actually don't want to be attached to internet when they play career and furthermore they don;t want to be dependent from internet connectivity since this might and will interfere with natural gameplay. I deffinetly don't want the game to be paused if I suddenly loose ic. This makes no sence at all.

Im one of those people who doesnt wish to be attached to the internet when i play in career mode either.

Dont get me wrong, im not all "feel good" about the DRM myself... but i think it is Much Ado About Nothing, and i think that for the most part, players wont even realize its active.

its just a sea of endless complaints - and i find it highly unlikely that ubi is going to change course based on our desires and demands.

GoldenRivet · 01-27-10, 10:38 AM

Sad really.

perhaps ubisoft should just abort? forget about the project?

Kapitanleutnant · 01-27-10, 10:40 AM

Maybe they should.

ParaB · 01-27-10, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

perhaps ubisoft should just abort? forget about the project?

If a publisher wants to force me into tying an offline-singleplayer game to an online service which may well restrict my legal usage of said product and in addition makes it basically impossible to re-sell the product, yes.

Lanzfeld · 01-27-10, 10:50 AM

Don't be a fool. You have to be able to see that this is just the first step in making us pay a monthly fee to keep the servers up and running. It is just the way these guys work nowadays. It is about nothing more then $$$.

But besides that, I simply do not WANT to be on the internet while I play a game. Period. This is a leash. They can keep the game. Really. All of us can be happy doing other things like improving SH3 even more or, with luck, another subsim will pop up one day.

01-27-10, 09:54 AM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	If you dont like the online DRM... ... perhaps you could explain the FACTS to us all here. no opinions. just FACTS by answering these questions: 1. Do i have to have the game disk to play? 2. Will save games be saved on my PC? 3. If i lose connection, will i have to start all the way over back in port? 4. Does the service, by itself, cost anything (per month, etc)? 5. Does UBI install any spyware, malware or fishy software to monitor my online experience? __________________

01-27-10, 10:05 AM	#4
Q3ark Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: York, England Posts: 346 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	__________________ Johnny was a chemist's son, But Johnny is no more. What Johnny thought was H20 was H2SO4.

01-27-10, 10:38 AM	#12
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Sad really. perhaps ubisoft should just abort? forget about the project? __________________

01-27-10, 10:40 AM	#13
Kapitanleutnant Frogman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 305 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Maybe they should. __________________ Oh worse than Hitler! You wouldn't find Hitler playing jungle music at three o'clock in the morning!

01-27-10, 10:13 AM	#6
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	You're wrong GR. On nr. 3, if you loose net connection the game freezes and waits. If you quit, you can only load the last save, wherever it may have been. We don't know yet if we can then save offline and upload the save to the server. But the big deal for me is that right now I spend 3-4 days a week away from home. I travel a lot on trains that have electrical sockets, but no net. I can play SH3 just fine on my laptop but I won't be able to play SH5. Sure I could play it at home if I weren't too busy "giving flowers" to my girlfriend. Oh well, SH3 it is then...

01-27-10, 10:30 AM	#9
zulus Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	GR I wish you luck but I'm affraid you won't change the tide much. Ppl actually don't want to be attached to internet when they play career and furthermore they don;t want to be dependent from internet connectivity since this might and will interfere with natural gameplay. I deffinetly don't want the game to be paused if I suddenly loose ic. This makes no sence at all.

01-27-10, 10:34 AM	#10
badkarma Sailor man Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 43 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Let's add 6th and 7th questions that are biased like yours but in the other direction: 6. When UBI's servers go down for the evening when you want to play, are you happy to be locked out of the game you bought? 7. As this does nothing to stop piracy (see every other game that's been DRM'd, including huge stalwarts of the industry like Empire, Modern Warfare and the Steam platform), are you happy for these restrictions that can stop you playing totally outside of your control when the only advantage of them is to the publisher to stop 2nd hand sales and to monitor your usage? In response to 5. Does UBI install any spyware, malware or fishy software to monitor my online experience? - As you're connected to their server and they're aware of everything you do in the game as you do it, and can quite easily have a nice skim of all your hardware, drivers, frame rates, etc. That'd be a yes.

01-27-10, 10:50 AM	#15
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Don't be a fool. You have to be able to see that this is just the first step in making us pay a monthly fee to keep the servers up and running. It is just the way these guys work nowadays. It is about nothing more then $$$. But besides that, I simply do not WANT to be on the internet while I play a game. Period. This is a leash. They can keep the game. Really. All of us can be happy doing other things like improving SH3 even more or, with luck, another subsim will pop up one day.