Realistic Sub

Torps · 12-07-07, 12:01 AM

Hey guys how do you fix/make the sub ride lower in the water? I saw a post on it but there was no info really. And also based on this photograph is there a way to move the conning tower and the deck gun forward aswell for tambor, gar,gato,balao etc classes as well??

Fixed w/ major bugs

12-07-07, 12:54 AM

I don't know. It looks pretty damn close in those comparison pics. :hmm:

Anyways, I believe it's the sub *.sim files you are looking for. Search under 'draught' in the file. Mini Tweaker tool is needed. You can also use a hex editor. Look under single byte. The number to change is the second slot to the right of the letter 't' in draught. Remember, it's a single byte. Good luck with your mod.

jaketoox · 12-07-07, 01:34 AM

Here's example picture for NSS_Sargo.sim...i increased draught value from 5,061 to 5,471 (5,661 was too much)

Jake

12-07-07, 01:36 AM

Ooops, I guess S3D does work on the sub.sim files.

jaketoox · 12-07-07, 02:25 AM

...btw...could that fr_ratio value mean the balance for the sub...i mean that what i have experienced, when changing draught value, it looks like the tail of the sub runs in correct level, but bow runs a bit too deep...i guess i'm gonna try to change that fr_ratio too and see what will happen....

Jake

Torps · 12-07-07, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaketoox

...btw...could that fr_ratio value mean the balance for the sub...i mean that what i have experienced, when changing draught value, it looks like the tail of the sub runs in correct level, but bow runs a bit too deep...i guess i'm gonna try to change that fr_ratio too and see what will happen....

Jake

Thanks I got it! See the 1st post

DrBeast · 12-07-07, 07:40 AM

Just a word of caution, Torps:
Messing with fr_ratio has some side-effects, such as breaking the alignment of the deck gun and other nasty stuff. Don't remember in which thread I saw all this, but it came from Leovampire, and I trust his word. He strongly suggests not to mess with that value.

ETA: Found a similar thread that mentions the drawbacks of messing with fr_ratio here.

12-07-07, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrBeast

Just a word of caution, Torps:
Messing with fr_ratio has some side-effects, such as breaking the alignment of the deck gun and other nasty stuff. Don't remember in which thread I saw all this, but it came from Leovampire, and I trust his word. He strongly suggests not to mess with that value.

ETA: Found a similar thread that mentions the drawbacks of messing with fr_ratio here.

Wow. Good catch. You really know your stuff.

DrBeast · 12-07-07, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nvdrifter

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrBeast

Just a word of caution, Torps:
Messing with fr_ratio has some side-effects, such as breaking the alignment of the deck gun and other nasty stuff. Don't remember in which thread I saw all this, but it came from Leovampire, and I trust his word. He strongly suggests not to mess with that value.

ETA: Found a similar thread that mentions the drawbacks of messing with fr_ratio here.

Wow. Good catch. You really know your stuff.

I know squat, skipper...I just have a randomly effective memory, which allows me to remember details like the above, and at the same time makes me forget what I had for breakfast! :rotfl:

swdw · 12-07-07, 08:29 AM

This is a guess, but I think the fr-ratio is tied to the origin of the polar coordinates used by the operational features of the boat, not the 3D model.

This is not unusual in a sim to have 2, or even 3 models that overlap. For example
1. 3D model
2. Physics model
3. Damage model

Haven't been modding long enough to have even a decent understanding of how all 3 tie together.

Some other things give you wierd results. I was playing with the U/D drag on the surface and increasing the drag caused the bow to start climbing higher in the water as the speed increases.

I have a feeling the dev's haven't touched this boat in the water issue because it will require modifying stuff all over the place.

AVGWarhawk · 12-07-07, 08:54 AM

Yeah, Leo had stated something to the effect that if you start switching the value to much the sub will just sink. Apparently a very fine line for sub draft in the water. But, never hurts to take a second look.

kapitan_zur_see · 12-07-07, 09:32 AM

i believe you can easily move the conning tower.
Into the corresponding dat file, simply locate the 3D node of the conning tower and edit XYZ axis. It will be X i believe.

Torps · 12-07-07, 10:18 AM

What does the GC Height do anyway?

Torps · 12-07-07, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kapitan_zur_see

i believe you can easily move the conning tower.
Into the corresponding dat file, simply locate the 3D node of the conning tower and edit XYZ axis. It will be X i believe.

If you could give me detailed info on how to do this id be more then happy to make changes. I don't think I have the software to edit the x axis unless you can do it in photoschop cs3 extended.

skwasjer · 12-07-07, 10:45 AM

gc_height = Gravity center height from the object's bottom [m]. If 0, then the half of geometric bounding box is taken.

fr_ratio = Gravity center horizontal position [>0] (1=front, 0.5=middle, 0=rear).

12-07-07, 12:01 AM	#1
Torps Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 496 Downloads: 148 Uploads: 0	Realistic Sub Hey guys how do you fix/make the sub ride lower in the water? I saw a post on it but there was no info really. And also based on this photograph is there a way to move the conning tower and the deck gun forward aswell for tambor, gar,gato,balao etc classes as well?? Fixed w/ major bugs __________________ Torps Contributor PE for ROW Reflections on Water *ROW Sound Effects* R.I.P Dave Bunnel aka LeoVampire Last edited by Torps; 12-07-07 at 10:19 AM.

12-07-07, 01:34 AM	#3
jaketoox Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 93 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Here's example picture for NSS_Sargo.sim...i increased draught value from 5,061 to 5,471 (5,661 was too much) Jake __________________ METALHUD and STOWA KRIEGSMARINE DECK WATCH

12-07-07, 02:25 AM	#5
jaketoox Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 93 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	...btw...could that fr_ratio value mean the balance for the sub...i mean that what i have experienced, when changing draught value, it looks like the tail of the sub runs in correct level, but bow runs a bit too deep...i guess i'm gonna try to change that fr_ratio too and see what will happen.... Jake __________________ METALHUD and STOWA KRIEGSMARINE DECK WATCH

12-07-07, 07:40 AM	#7
DrBeast The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere Out In Space Posts: 1,408 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Just a word of caution, Torps: Messing with fr_ratio has some side-effects, such as breaking the alignment of the deck gun and other nasty stuff. Don't remember in which thread I saw all this, but it came from Leovampire, and I trust his word. He strongly suggests not to mess with that value. ETA: Found a similar thread that mentions the drawbacks of messing with fr_ratio here. __________________ Let the Beast inside you free!

12-07-07, 08:29 AM	#10
swdw Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 921 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	This is a guess, but I think the fr-ratio is tied to the origin of the polar coordinates used by the operational features of the boat, not the 3D model. This is not unusual in a sim to have 2, or even 3 models that overlap. For example 1. 3D model 2. Physics model 3. Damage model Haven't been modding long enough to have even a decent understanding of how all 3 tie together. Some other things give you wierd results. I was playing with the U/D drag on the surface and increasing the drag caused the bow to start climbing higher in the water as the speed increases. I have a feeling the dev's haven't touched this boat in the water issue because it will require modifying stuff all over the place. __________________ "There are only two types of ships- submarines...... and targets" Unknown "you wouldn't catch me on a ship that deliberately sinks itself"- comment to me from a surface sailor. System: AMD 6300 3.5 GHz \| 32GB DDR3 \| SATA 300 320GB HD, SATA III 1TB HD, SATA III 1.TB HD \| ASUS Sonar DS sound card NVIDIA 1660 Super OC \| Windows 10

12-07-07, 12:54 AM	#2
nvdrifter Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I don't know. It looks pretty damn close in those comparison pics. :hmm: Anyways, I believe it's the sub *.sim files you are looking for. Search under 'draught' in the file. Mini Tweaker tool is needed. You can also use a hex editor. Look under single byte. The number to change is the second slot to the right of the letter 't' in draught. Remember, it's a single byte. Good luck with your mod.

12-07-07, 01:36 AM	#4
nvdrifter Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Ooops, I guess S3D does work on the sub.sim files.

12-07-07, 08:54 AM	#11
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,277 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yeah, Leo had stated something to the effect that if you start switching the value to much the sub will just sink. Apparently a very fine line for sub draft in the water. But, never hurts to take a second look. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-07-07, 09:32 AM	#12
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	i believe you can easily move the conning tower. Into the corresponding dat file, simply locate the 3D node of the conning tower and edit XYZ axis. It will be X i believe. __________________

12-07-07, 10:18 AM	#13
Torps Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 496 Downloads: 148 Uploads: 0	What does the GC Height do anyway? __________________ Torps Contributor PE for ROW Reflections on Water *ROW Sound Effects* R.I.P Dave Bunnel aka LeoVampire Last edited by Torps; 12-07-07 at 10:33 AM.

12-07-07, 10:45 AM	#15
skwasjer The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,549 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 3	gc_height = Gravity center height from the object's bottom [m]. If 0, then the half of geometric bounding box is taken. fr_ratio = Gravity center horizontal position [>0] (1=front, 0.5=middle, 0=rear). __________________ S3D - Silent 3ditor (v0.9.9) - S3D homepage - Open sourced S3D file parser API's - SUBSIM thread SH5 mods: Speech Recognition for SH5 \| Digital UI Clock Tutorials: [TEC] Import/export 3D models to/from game using S3D [TEC] How to work with the model viewer in S3D - VIDEO

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