GER politics thread

[Skybird]

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/rise-of-the-greens-merkel-s-coalition-partner-spd-vanishes-into-irrelevance-9mhLl2jsRUm8wiYf6XklhA/


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-25/rise-greens-deindustrialization-germany


Tja-tja... Like sowing, so the harvest.

[Skybird]

Google messes up the translation of this, so I post the German link. I fullheartly agree with what it says. I am surprised a bit to read something like this in one of the biggest national mainstream media over here, Der Tagesspiegel. Its abolut Germany'S arrogant moral know-it-all-attitude and its new imerial demand to lecture others for submission on grounds of niothign but moral claims by Germany even when laws and treaties get vilated by these demands. As I often said, Merkel tramples on laws and treaties as it opportunistically serves her interests. In the end she is



https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/sea-watch-3-und-die-bundesregierung-die-deutschen-belehren-mit-moralischer-besserwisserei/24532358.html

[Skybird]

From Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung.



https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nzz.ch%2Finternational%2Fder-andere-blick-die-deutschen-waeren-gerne-moralweltmeister-ld.1493987


Acting as moral world champions and raising them above others is a recurring feature of recent German history.(...)The ugly German no longer wears a Stahlhelm and Wehrmacht uniform. Instead, he provides an ethical ethics lesson in all circumstances.

[ikalugin]

Food for thought. What would Germany (or other major European power) do if they loose 220 tanks, 480 IFVs, 300 APCs, 80 SPGs, 70 wheeled recon vehicles? And this is a fairly low scale, low intensity war, for a country with solid of old stocks of equipment and repair plants at the start of the conflict.
Makes one really think about the relevance of European majors in such a war.


Note - those were the Ukrainian Kiev Loyalist losses in Donbas (destroyed and captured).
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/574983728669917214/598200907263639554/Chart.jpg
And the separatists:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/574983728669917214/598200906952998934/Chart1.jpg

[Catfish]

^ so what? You want to hear that Russia has more of all military-wise and would be able to win a territorial conflict?
Granted.
Does thinking like that help to promote a civilian society in Russia?

Then of course there is the doctrine path, like "if you attack with whatever means our answer will be nuclear".
No one seems to be interested in a war, in Europe. Of course Trotsky said "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."

[ikalugin]

^ so what? You want to hear that Russia has more of all military-wise and would be able to win a territorial conflict?
Granted.
Does thinking like that help to promote a civilian society in Russia?

Then of course there is the doctrine path, like "if you attack with whatever means our answer will be nuclear".
No one seems to be interested in a war, in Europe. Of course Trotsky said "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."
Nah, we suffer from much of the same problems, though not quite at the same scale, you can for example compare Kiev loyalist losses to our yearly tank modernisation rates, etc.

Military thinking contributes to civil society building by ensuring our sovereighnity. You can see for example what western interference in elections and other democratic processes did with Russia with the example of Yeltsin's second term.

That doctrine path indeed does exist (and may be applicable to Europeans if they stand alone, though Germans do not have nukes) but currently it mostly applies to Russia (due to US being in NATO), even though we are trying to move away from it by developing stronger conventional forces.

[Catfish]

Jülich wants to build Europe's first quantum computer, together with Google:

https://t3n.de/news/google-juelich-quantencomputer-1176990/
(english translation: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Ft3n.de%2Fnews%2Fgoogle-juelich-quantencomputer-1176990%2F)

https://www.fz-juelich.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/UK/EN/2019/2019-07-08-quantum-computer-fzj-google.html

[ikalugin]

Computers are good, sadly we are not very public with ours, as they tend to be in nuclear industry.

[Jimbuna]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel suffers third shaking bout in less than a month. Surely there must be an underlying medical condition.

https://news.sky.com/story/german-chancellor-angela-merkel-suffers-third-shaking-bout-in-less-than-a-month-11760276

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilEolWazM6o

[Catfish]

^ Well, this is not only a private concern anymore :hmmm:

On the other hand several doctors said they they do not suppose it is something serious.

[Jimbuna]

Regardless of what the doctors say (I doubt she has undergone blood testing) If she were my wife I'd be very concerned.

[Skybird]

Dehydration they said after the first incident, and it was hot weather and believable.

Unlikely its dehydration, some of the same doctors said after the second incident, I do not recall the weather then, I think it was warm, but not as hot.

Now, heat wave since days is in holidays, we had temps between 10 and 20 degrees Celsius in past days. Still the warmth and dehydration causing this? Unlikely.

Anyhow, I do not care. She already has done all her damage. And her possible successors will not be better.

[ikalugin]

https://twitter.com/PowerDNS_Bert/status/1150486131634515969?s=19
No idea where to post this, but it seems that European satnav is down.

[Skybird]

^ Just a German cyberwar drill. :O:


BTW, it has reached the press now:


https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article196850541/Galileo-Europas-Navigationssatellitennetz-komplett-ausgefallen.html


Peinlich, peinlich...

[Catfish]

Italy is responsible.. most probably.

Or Russia, the US or aliens. In that order.

[ikalugin]

I doubt it is sabotage as then GPS would also be offline as the more useful service.

[Catfish]

I doubt it is sabotage as then GPS would also be offline as the more useful service.
I agree, though i did not mean it too seriously :03:

And i forgot 'incompetence', as a reason :yep:

[Skybird]

German Barracks Barbie von der Leyen will step down as fence ministress on Wednesday, no matter whether she gets elected in EU parliament tomorrow or not.

The popping noise that was heard from the German fence ministry were no test shootings with the new German automatic assault rifle for the troops, but champagne corks.

How much I hope she will bite into granite tomorrow, I just cannot stand this woman, she is a red rag for me. On the other hand, if she becomes commission head, she could do an awsomelot to turn the EU into even more of a joke, so maybe I should hope she gets elected for sure. She certainly has the blessings of Orban, Salvini, Kaczynski and many of the ultra-right in parliament - for right this reason.

[Skybird]

Gunnar Heihnsohn on the German Geltungssucht when it comes to its military adventures in Africa.


https://www.achgut.com/artikel/deutschland_im_afrikakrieg


The English translation by Google has issues, but for whatever its worth, here it is:
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fdeutsch land_im_afrikakrieg



Empiricism can be so absolutely irresistable if done right. And Heihnsohn is a master of this profession. Often accused of not knowing the stuff - but claim was almost ever followed by evidence. While his returns to his critics usually are overwhelming. Because of this damn, politically incorrect thing idiots and ideologies cannot argue with: empiricism.


Gunnar Heinsohn, (* 1943) has been teaching war demography at the NATO Defense College (NDC) in Rome since 2010. In Stavanger in 2018 he gave the keynote speech on the 15th anniversary of NATO's Joint Warfare Center (JWC).

[Skybird]

Thomas Rietzschel on why von der Leyen is the perfect pick for the top job in Brussel.

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/uvdl_die_richtige_frau_am_richtigen_platz

Als die Ausgelobte nachher über das sprach, was sie außerdem vorhat, konnte sie es bei dem üblichen Wischiwaschi belassen, bei der Ankündigung die „Frauenquote“ zu erhöhen und die Rolle eines Parlaments zu stärken, über dessen Rechte man sich mit ihrer eigenen Nominierung eben erst achselzuckend hinweggesetzt hatte.

Auf die Spitze trieb sie das Schmierentheater schließlich mit dem haltlosen Versprechen, bis 2030 für eine Senkung des Ausstoßes von Treibhausgasen um 55 Prozent zu sorgen. Zu geben ist darauf so wenig wie auf alles, was sie als Verteidigungsministerin zur Stärkung der Bundeswehr in Aussicht stellte. Gerade damit aber hatte sie sich bei den übrigen Staatschefs der EU für das angestrebte Amt empfohlen.

Dass ihnen eine Frau, die die deutsche Wehrkraft zu erhöhen dachte, indem sie Spinde der Soldatinnen und Soldaten mit Schminkspiegel ausstatten wollte, nicht ernsthaft ins Handwerk pfuschen werde, haben Schlitzohren wie Emmanuel Macron oder auch Viktor Orban längst erkannt. Sie werden der Unbedarften keine Steine in den Weg legen. Frauen wie sie braucht eine Politik, die zur Klamotte verkommen ist, zu einem Theater der Laiendarsteller.

English Google translation, with some confusing flaws in it:

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fuvdl_di e_richtige_frau_am_richtigen_platz

Rietzschel's two books "Die Stunde der Dilettanten" and "Geplünderte Demokratie", are brilliant in argument, laser sharp in analysis, and a literary stylistic high pleasure. Still, angry. Very.


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Closely linked to the above is evil bad boy Thilo "the Boogieman" Sarrazin's merciless commenting on the quality of the political key personnel in Germany.

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/der_blick_auf_das_fuehrungspersonal_loest_schauder n_aus

Again, Google fumbles. Its confusing for me how miuch their translation qualties vary from day to day or week to week. Sometimes they are briliant, sometimes a mess, sometime so la la.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fder_bli ck_auf_das_fuehrungspersonal_loest_schaudern_aus

[Skybird]

Just in: Annnegret Kramp Karrenbauer (=AKK) is the new German fence ministress. Or so she thinks.

:har:

Worse, worse, worse, never worst: for that would mark an end point. But lesson to be learned is: things can always get worse!

In their defence I must admit: there is no political personnel left these days that could be trusted with giving them the boss seats. It reminds me a bit of my schooldays and the theatre groups there were. Excited lay actors everywhere.


Okay, so even more of German girly power. Moscow, shrudder! IS, beware!! The Germans are at it.

[Skybird]

Our beloved leader and unfortunatly impeded SED state council chairman, the holy mother Angela of the Moral High Horse, celebrates her 65th birthday. I congratulate with these precious pieces of her unfathomable wisdom. Listen up world, learn and be healed!

https://www.publicomag.com/2019/07/ein-tusch-zum-fuenfundsechzigsten/

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.publicomag.com%2F2019%2F07%2Fe in-tusch-zum-fuenfundsechzigsten%2F

The functional principle of corkscrews was invented by a Wendehals (flip-flopper/wryneck).

[Skybird]

Scientists of the Physics Department of the University of Heidelberg have published an assessment of the German "Energiewende" - and cold-mindedly reveal how naive the politically wanted goals and ambitions are - and how misleading the officially published statistics are. It will not work that way, simply that. Its a hopeless overestimation of one's own capabilities, formulated by fools who have no clue of nothing, but have a wide heart, hooray.

The article is in German and can be found on the right side of the homepage, I post the separate link here.

https://www.physi.uni-heidelberg.de/energiewende/belege/files/Energiewende_Web_2019.pdf

https://www.physi.uni-heidelberg.de

[ikalugin]

Well, Germany is going to get rid of nuclear power soon.

[Catfish]

^ seems so, unless a new government changes its mind. I do not like the nuclear waste and the risk, but i wonder if something like the salt reactor or fusion becomes available anytime soon. The latter will also generate radiation of course, but it seems like a better methiod than just heating water to drive turbines, such a waste of energy.
The 'Otto Hahn' as a test bed was successful enough, but much too expensive for civilian trade.

[ikalugin]

^ seems so, unless a new government changes its mind. I do not like the nuclear waste and the risk, but i wonder if something like the salt reactor or fusion becomes available anytime soon. The latter will also generate radiation of course, but it seems like a better methiod than just heating water to drive turbines, such a waste of energy.
The 'Otto Hahn' as a test bed was successful enough, but much too expensive for civilian trade.
MSRs are not happening. Fusion is not happening before 2050.



Waste problem can be (largerly) solved by closed loop fuel cycle.


Reactor safety is vastly improved in 3rd generation designes which were, ironically, cancelled in favour of extending the lives of (less safe) 2nd generation reactors. 3rd+ and 4th generation reactors are too safe if that was ever a thing.

[Skybird]

The document mentions it in the appendix, I think: the residual risk of new nuclear breeders are smaller than ever before, and the have reusable nuclear waste and so are indeed climate-neutral, and this risk then should be calculated against the risk of climate change and energy security. Its a typical, irresponsible and irrational Merkel manouver that after Fukushima she u-turned by 180° and Germany has given up its lead competence in nuclear powerplant design.


Once again, the Germans showed why I call them one of the most irrational and stupidiest people in the worlds.



Due to legal implications, the opting out costs billions. An opting in again woudl also cost billions in onvestemnt,k becasue the indistry would not do it by its own means anymore, they have earned theoir lesson and thus will demand the tax payer to pay for a revival of nuclear power. Thats why I am sceptacal that Germany is liekly to go back to nculear energy.



What the document does not list is that the Germans have destabilised the whole continental powergrid with their escapades. The number of incidents has raised by multiple factors in the past three years alone. And it gets worse.



High tech Germany gets rid of itself.



There are also gropwing proboplems with the windmills, the number of collapses of the opldest one snow exceeds the ressoruces for replacements and maintenance to delay the collapse. As a result, more and more windmills end up burning and collapsing.


Hysterical romanticissm. Not thinking smart and rational, no - but feel the world, feel the life, feel what is needed, feel what is best. One has to understand that. No other people suffered so dearly from Angst after Fukushikma, than the Germans.

[ikalugin]

Some thoughts:
- Could the wind power kill more people per MW of installed power than nuclear power, including accounting for major accidents?
- Could the coal power produce more radioactive fallout per MW of installed power than nuclear power, including accounting for major accidents?
Sadly in my view Greens do not appear to be rational in their views on the nuclear power.

[Skybird]

I dont know, I simply guess.

The first, windmills, could kill scores indeed if a major blackout happens due to the erosion of the powergrid and infrastrture, and if that blackout lasts longer than emergency PSUs in hospitals and vital tcncial infrastructures would hold. So far our oldest windmills sometimes catch fire without hurting somebody, afaik.

The second, coal causing radioactive fallout, I just do not know, not regarding mining, not regarding emissions. I never linked the two so far. Evidence?


I think reason would dictate the use of nuclear power. The Germans may make a relgion of saving energy, but internationally the demand will not grow, but explode, will go steeply upwards. The world does not stop to revolve around the sun just because some German Hobbits wish so. But we should shut down the old ones, replacing them with modenr ones. The big issue with nuclear powerplants is the enormous costs, usually to the tax payer, in dismantling old plants. Thse costs get carefulls hidden from the public, and get exlcuded from projective calculations when planning the construction. The lifetime of NPPs is finite.


The Green'S fight last but not least is a ideolgocially, cultural one, to replace the social order and society with something from their mind lab. In the end, its a mix of pure communism and romantic escapism from technology and industry and science (genetics) they dream off. That mass production is the indispensable precondition for the huge ammounts of populations in the world, they seem to not care for.



We are too many, however. Global population must drop by severlalbillions, else everything we could try will be in vein in the long run.Its like a rescue boat that has too many passengers and alread takes more water than can be baled out while still letting people climb aboard. Its not a thing of the heart, its a thing of mathematics. We are too many.

[Catfish]

We have to cut down enery abuse, but of course it will not do if Germany did it alone. Not that i really does.. see Pdf Sky linked to.

A real sustainable production of energy entirely relying on "green" (for lack of a better word) technologies is not possible now, but who knows what science and research are able to deliver. We cannot rely on that of course.

One thing is clear, we should not go on like before without sparing a thought about the consequences. China does it of course, as does Russia. And now also the USA.

I am not convinced that the 74-year old concept of nuclear fission is such a good idea. Using nuclear energy just to "cook water" and drive turbines indirectly with it, is technologically stone age.

While it is true that coal etc. also sets free radioactive gases, Chernobyl alone made "good" for centuries of operating coal-burning plants. No coal plant bears this kind of risk when things go wrong. And things do go wrong, everytime.

When someone tells me what to do with burnt or spent radioactive fuel (apart from using this as ammunition like this DU "depleted uranium", which is not what i consider as "recycling") or what to do with the irradiated scrapped building materials for the next some thousands of years to come, i'm game.
But not until then.


With the rising worldwide temperature, Russia can rely on burning methane instead.

Rising sea levels will cool German reactors just by flooding, easy! That has been tried out in Japan at short notice. Fukushima or something. The evaluation of this very spontaneous attempt is still running. The heavy load on concrete and steel at the nuclear power plant is seldomly discussed, keywords being microcracks/nuclear power plant/Belgium.
But you should not let that drive you crazy. We should rather focus on the real dangers of porous wind turbine rotor blades, infrasonic and poisonous wing material of the rotor :03:

[Skybird]

With global population expected to still rise in coming decades, and the population especially in China and India growing into higher lifestyle standards, energy consupmtion will not decline, but will steeply rise in the next 20-30 years. Until 2035 and 2040, various studies done by different organisations expect rises of 25 to 40 percent. There simply will be no cut in global energy consumption, forget about it. What Germany does, in the global scheme of tings is irrelvevant - we just wast our money that we then do not have for other tasks. The world right doe snot wait to see what the germans are doping, and it doe snot wait to be shown the way by the Germans, and nboody is set to follow the German exmaple. Thats German self-deception.

[ikalugin]

@skybird
The wind power kills during installation, maintenance etc (people fall from high places). It is the same problem as with coal power and radioactive fallout - because the damage is spread thinly across space and time people do not notice it, even if the damage is greater (in terms of lives for wind power and in terms of radiation released into the environment for coal) per MW of installed power per year, accounting for major accidents.


But the greens do not care :)

[Skybird]

People falling from high places...? Radioactivity...? Compare...???


Sorry, you travel alone in that orbit. I mean nobody calculates the lethal accidents during bicycle assembly to make it an argument against green traffic policies.

[ikalugin]

People falling from high places...? Radioactivity...? Compare...???

Sorry, you travel alone in that orbit. I mean nobody calculates the lethal accidents during bicycle assembly to make it an argument against green traffic policies.
Ok, to recap, lets say we have a coal powerplant.

Over a given period of time it would release more radioactivity into the environment due to small concentration of radioactive materials in coal that is being (nearly) constantly burned, than a nuclear power plant, even if we account for the risk of nuclear power plant accident with release of radioactivity.
When spread over the entire industries this leads to coal power generating more radioactivity in our environment than the nuclear power, even with TME/Chernobyl/Fukushima and other (less dramatic) incidents being accounted for.

This means that the fear of radioactive polution by nuclear power being used as an argument against nuclear power (and for coal power - if I recall correctly that is what Germany replaced it's nuclear power generation in short term) is not based on factual reality.


Do you get this argument? Or is it also otherworldly for you?



As to lives - installation and maintenance of wind power killing men (most workplace deaths are male) at a rate higher than nuclear power (even if we account for incidents with radioactivity release ie TME/Chernobyl/Fukushima) shows that the fear of human losses is also not a rational argument in favour of wind power over nuclear power, as it is not backed by numbers.

[Catfish]

I have yet to see some 130,000+ people being resettled due to radiation from a coal plant.
Not forgetting those cases of intentional poisoning with radioactive substances like Polonium. ahem.

To the rest of the above.. must be russian humour or trolling :haha:

[Skybird]

Ikalugin
I meant I have a hard time to believe that so many construction workers on windwills get ill or killed like by the maintaining and use of nuke plants.

[ikalugin]

Ikalugin
I meant I have a hard time to believe that so many construction workers on windwills get ill or killed like by the maintaining and use of nuke plants.
Product of safety culture and excessive state regulation in the nuclear industry.


You may also recall the anecdote of boiling a frog in a slowly heating up water - people do not notice the steady trickly of casualties from mundane causes (ie falls from heights).

[ikalugin]

https://youtu.be/J7puoMAO4Io
May be of interest.

[Skybird]

https://youtu.be/J7puoMAO4Io
May be of interest.
Meine Fresse, ich kotz mich nochmal tot.

[Catfish]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/28/russia-denies-ordering-assassination-of-zelimkhan-khangoshvili-chechen-exile-in-berlin

[Jimbuna]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/28/russia-denies-ordering-assassination-of-zelimkhan-khangoshvili-chechen-exile-in-berlin

Shocking! :nope:

[ikalugin]

But not surprising, if you made the enemy of Russian, Chechnyan, Georgian and Ukrainian groups by participating in various civil wars in the former Soviet Union, your life expectancy is not going to be exactly high.

[Catfish]

Maaß: “I see this as a message to all the Chechen refugees in Germany: you’re not safe here.”

It rather shows the german secret service(s)' and Maaß' incompetence. The assassin used his Gru passport for immigration.. and two children witnesses of the murder told the police.
It seems some certain person always gets away with murder abroad. But then maybe this someone should not feel too safe hence.

[Skybird]

It seems the victim was no child of sadness in his active fighting years, so I am not certain we should cry tears over him. Ikalugin has a - sober - point. Maybe he was just caught by his self-made Karma. The victim I mean, not ikalugin. :D

[Rockstar]

He was no angel, there is no telling how many people's lives were destroyed in the name of freedom and democracy on account of this man. It seems to me his past finally caught up with him. As the saying goes live by the sword die by the sword.


Once again, it just goes to show how one man's freedom fighter is another man's a terrorist.

[mapuc]

He may not be an angel

If Russia want us to see them as a developed country when it comes to justice they could have asked the German authorities to arrest him and hand him over to Russia.(they could also, as many other developed countries do-kidnap him)

Thereafter have a trial and a verdict.

That's how I see it

Markus

[Skybird]

Elections in federal states of Saxony and Brandenburg. Huge losses for the Berlin great coalition parties SPD and CDU, biggest gains for the AfD.

Results standardised against voter turnout and non-voters. Non-voters are the biggest groups. Turnouts increased compared to last elections: and saw the AfD more than doubling their counts in one state, fundamentally gaining in the other. They are the second biggest party in both states now, by this development they are the clear winners of both elections.

The new challenge to the established gangs of mobsters is to form coalitions with CDU, SPD and Greens against the AfD. Which means a block-building that will deepen the Gleichschaltung in parliaments and an increasing of the polarization in society and a widening of trenches between gangsters and peasants. Winner in the end will be: the AfD et. al, since these poltical "projects" are water on their mills.

The era of the the old Volksparteien is over.

https://i.postimg.cc/xdQcxQ2K/11.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/XJzNbST1/22.png (https://postimages.org/)
(https://postimages.org/)

[skidman]

So in Saxony 2/3 and in Brandenburg 3/4 of the voters chose to vote for the "mobsters" (You would make old Adolf proud). For your moronic projection to come true, you may need to replace the people first.

[Skybird]

Love the parties as much as you want, from me you will not hear a single good word anymore about these bands of liars, morons, cheaters, gangsters, corrupted lobbyists, antisocial parasites, socialist redistributors, psychopathic narcissists, attention-craving show-men and unscrupulous big mouths. To hell with them, no matter the party. Our whole system, both on voters's side and the voted-for side, is rotten and dysfunctinal and illogical. The system does not lead to the best suited and most experienced and most honest and modest and most qualified ending upo in the top ranks of power, but it makes sure that the biggest big ,mihths, the most unc´scurpulozus cheaters and fraudsters, the most immoral imposters and egoists come to power. And thats what we get, with every election. Again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

Don'T vote. Do not legitimise incompetence, unscrupulousness, psychopathy, fraud. Some say "How dare you not to vote?" I say different, I say "How could you dare to vote, clueless and incompetent on things as you are? You owe it to the common good NOT to vote!"

Stupid people vote criminal scum and mentally deranged insanes and know-it-alls. Great combination. No wonder we have problems so big that they devour us. Self-made Karma it is.

Voter turnout is 3/5 and 2/3, btw, not 2/3 and 3/4. Protest vote or not, they are sick of the established mobster gangs. Whether it is clever to vote another mobster gang, I have my doubts.

The choice you seem to imply there is, is no real choice. Its just panem et circensis every 4 or 5 years. The show goes on and on, and politicians want the audience to clap hands and pay for the tickets.

[mapuc]

Whether it's Germany, France, Great Britain, Denmark, Sweden or some other European country,

It have come so far beyond point-of-no-return, that it doesn't matter if parties like AfD, Le Pen or other right wing parties get own majority in their countries.

The voters have throughout the last 3-4 decades voted in such a way that they also have a lot of the guilt.

No voters can say "I'm without guilt, it's all the politicians fault"

Markus

[Skybird]

Whether it's Germany, France, Great Britain, Denmark, Sweden or some other European country,

It have come so far beyond point-of-no-return, that it doesn't matter if parties like AfD, Le Pen or other right wing parties get own majority in their countries.

The voters have throughout the last 3-4 decades voted in such a way that they also have a lot of the guilt.

No voters can say "I'm without guilt, it's all the politicians fault"

Markus
Indeed. Thats why I said repeatedly in the past that voting people have no right to complain about government or parties or politicians that are betraying them. By now every adult beign can and should know what kind of party scum he is voting for then he is voting. If you lwegitimise them by your vote, no matter which party you voted, you legitimised the system itself the rules they enforce on you, and you lose any right to criticise and complain - you can and shoukld have known what you were legitimising when you casted your vote.


Only people refusing this act of legitimising the crime, resisting it, have the right left to brandmark it and criticise it. If you participate in the crime, you are an accomplice. If you are an accomplice, you cannot criticise the criminals doing and living of what you do yourself. Thats why they want you to vote - so that you participate in the crime, and so cannot criticise. They want you to become an accomplice.



It makes no sense to vote for cheat and lie and then complaining about having gotten cheats and lies. That is hilarious. And illogical. In fact, you just have gotten what you asked for in the first.



Many "protest voters" seem to have formed an understanding of this. Their failure lies in that they think the alternative party they now vote in protest for would do any different. It will not. In fact these protest voters have not stepped out of the system by even one little step. They still fully support the show.



Too much tribal thinking in all this opinion camp building. Result: ideological hooliganism. In extremis in America now (the Dem tribe versus the Rep tribe), in Britain (the Brexit tribe versus the non-Brexit tribe), and between politcal correctness tribes and counter-revolutioinary tribes in the rest of the EU and Western societies.



Frogs squawk and jump. If you buy a frog as a pet, do not be surprised that what you get is an animal that squawks and jumps. You got what you asked for. Scorpions sting, fishes swim, and birds fly. Big surprise.



"In governments, the scum raises to the top." - Hayek. Its remarkable that such a well-versed, well-educated, super-polite, always kind and gentle gentleman like Hayek who was known for being always friendly and calm, allowed himself to write down this in such open, frank words. "In government, the scum raises to the top."

[STEED]

Love the parties as much as you want, from me you will not hear a single good word anymore about these bands of liars, morons, cheaters, gangsters, corrupted lobbyists, antisocial parasites, socialist redistributors, psychopathic narcissists, attention-craving show-men and unscrupulous big mouths. To hell with them, no matter the party. Our whole system, both on voters's side and the voted-for side, is rotten and dysfunctinal and illogical. The system does not lead to the best suited and most experienced and most honest and modest and most qualified ending upo in the top ranks of power, but it makes sure that the biggest big ,mihths, the most unc´scurpulozus cheaters and fraudsters, the most immoral imposters and egoists come to power. And thats what we get, with every election. Again and again and again and again and again and again and again.
Sounds like our crappy lot here in the UK. :yeah:

[mapuc]

This is the reason to why I don't blame the politicians but the voters.

Markus

[STEED]

This is the reason to why I don't blame the politicians but the voters.

Markus

You deserve these morons because you voted for them you moron, so who is the bigger moron? You the voter, so us non voters got it right. :O:

It feels great not to vote. :)

[mapuc]

You deserve these morons because you voted for them you moron, so who is the bigger moron? You the voter, so us non voters got it right. :O:

It feels great not to vote. :)

For your information I haven't been voting since the beginning of 2000 more exactly in 2002.

Up to that year I did my duty, until my guts strangled the air to my brain making me thinking clear.

Markus

[Skybird]

Up to that year I did my duty,

Duty...? :03:


For the record, if anyone asks, I am 52 - and I have never voted from early on. Back then due to a mere, but principle, feeling of it being wrong, today due to argument and reason from in formation and edcuation - and due to empirical evidence on how much the system has failed. Back then I felt it was wrong. Today I know that it is wrong. However, in my last school year and some months afterwards, half a year all in all I seem to recall, I was member of the CDU youth organisation of the CDU. I turned away in big disgust, and still feel like I need to excuse for my erring.

[mapuc]

Duty...? :03:

In Denmark and Sweden you learn from you are newborn that in a democratic society you have, as a voter an obligation to do your duty and vote.

As I use to say to my friends
"This obligation goes both ways and if our politicians don't feel the need to fulfill this obligation to what they keep promising, then I don't see why I should. "

Markus

[ikalugin]

He may not be an angel

If Russia want us to see them as a developed country when it comes to justice they could have asked the German authorities to arrest him and hand him over to Russia.(they could also, as many other developed countries do-kidnap him)

Thereafter have a trial and a verdict.

That's how I see it

Markus
I broadly agree, but there are few nuances:
- the assasination could have been carried out by a non state group (or in fact non Russian group).
- Germany (and a number of other western states) tends to reject transfer of terrorists over convenient allegations by said terrorists that their rights would be abused in Russia (ie that they would be tortured).
- Civilised countries such as the USA kidnap people all the time :D

[STEED]

For your information I haven't been voting since the beginning of 2000 more exactly in 2002.

Up to that year I did my duty, until my guts strangled the air to my brain making me thinking clear.

Markus

Just a general remark on the voters as a whole and as you pointed out you no longer vote clearly you have seen though their guff.

[ikalugin]

Refusing to vote does not cover you from consequences of other people voting.

[STEED]

Refusing to vote does not cover you from consequences of other people voting.

True, but I do get the satisfaction not wasting my time voting for a load of twits. :Kaleun_Wink:

[Jimbuna]

Refusing to vote does not cover you from consequences of other people voting.

True that :yep:

[ikalugin]

As such you may want to consider voting, if only to reduce harm.

From my perspective Russia is a good example here. Some opposition leaders agitated for a boycott, it did not happen to the extend that it would undermine the elections, but their supporters did not vote.

And because they did not vote the percentages slanted in favor of Putin, giving him a better mandate.

[skidman]

Wait a minute, I get it: The philosopher's stone was found by a small but oh so furious elite group on a chat forum originally devoted to marine simulation video games and it had written "voting is stupid" and "politicians are scum" on it.

Thus this elite group had stopped voting long ago. But that didn't stop them from spraying poison on the democratic process and the outcomes of the process they had decided not to take part in.

They simply neglected that politics is the art of the possible and reasonable compromises, and sometimes it is a "one step forward, two steps back" business. And between the lines of hate and anger in their multitudinous posts it became clear they wanted to play it "my way or the highway".

When they found out that there were far too many heretics to burn them all, they became cynical. When they realized they had become prisoners of their own device they felt embittered. Their world had turned into a dark, cold and LONESOME place.

homo sum humani a me nihil alienum puto

[Skybird]

Sigh. The above ^perfectly illustrates why I am against general voting rights.



And sicne I explkained it in moire dtail repatrely in the past 2, 3 years, i cut it hsort this time. If you want to go deeper into the amyn highly valid arugments why most voters owe it to the common good to NOT vote and why the single voter is irrelevcant and decides no9 election by himself, you will need to investigate a bit deeper and spend some time and read one or two or three books, I once again recommend Jason Brennan, and when one searches the name in this forum, one can find some links to him I have set up in the past, and some texts by him. I cut it short for myself, sicne I do not want to dance the same dance all the time, and post this link as a starter only. I may disagree with the alternatives that Brennan (or Hoppe, for that reason) present, but his (their) diagnosis of the rotten state democracy is in (and always inevitably must lead to by its core essence and nature) , is 100% on target, there is nothing I object to.



https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/03/is-democracy-all-its-cut-out-to-be.html


Again, Brennan, like Hoppe, is a brilliant (and entertaining) diagnostician. His prescribed antidots are open for discussion, however. and he admits that himself. Just not stikcing tot he old failed ways, but triyng new ones on small scale to see whether they work, and if so,then widening them, that is his idea.



You will not change a corrupt regime by playing the game by its corrupted rules and believing its corrupted propaganda. The only way is to force it from outside its rules to leave and run away, by boycotting its claim for authority, and disobeying the fat cats' demands by which they protect their own careers and interests. If you do not understands that,k that is another arument in itsel fthen why you shouzd iot be allowed to vote. because you add active harm to the community and the common good. And reason anyway.


Politics today do not work for the common good, they workkr for the actor's own good. Party interest and political actors' interest goes before communal and national interest. You can see it everywhere. In Germany. In Britain. In the US. In France. In the EU. In china. In Russia. And voters fall for it.



Every. Single. Time.



They disqualify themselves for being able to vote. Hobbits, Brennan calls them.


Its not about "escaping the majority". That too, yes, but that ius not the core when refusing to vcote. Itd about deligitimizing a system itself. Once turnout is down to below 5% or less, no "winner" can claim anymore to represent anmd stand for anythign or anyone in society. Thats why I always post just voting results that are standardised against the voting turnout - to show what a small fraction of society the big winners indeed are only standing for. Their demand to swing the clubs of power, is illegitimate from all beginning on. They are ursurpers. They want to play in the casino of powerpoltics for their own win, but they use the others' money to pay the bets. The self-understanding behind this reminds of the era of absolutism and serfdom.

[ikalugin]

Boycot does not cover you from the results of other people voting and legislation being passed, unless you can pull out a very low turn out and this is not realistic.

As such this is you hiding your head in the ground and pretending that everything is ok by boycot.

And if the voting rights are given out to select people, you are not going to get them period, unless you join the class of the fat cats that you seem to despise so much.

[STEED]

I can not speak for the average German voter but here in the UK we are stuck with a load of poo bags who don't give a poo about us and why?

The voters have forgotten they work for us which has stopped. There will be no change for the better until the voters wake up and they will never wake up so the end result it will get worst.

[Jimbuna]

And if the voting rights are given out to select people, you are not going to get them period, unless you join the class of the fat cats that you seem to despise so much.

Is that aimed at STEED? :haha:

:03:

[STEED]

Is that aimed at STEED? :haha:

:03:

Not me sexy, read Skys post. :D

[ikalugin]

Yes, but then skybird has many unrealistic ideas so the boycot one does not surprise me.

[Skybird]

I am not stupid, ikalugin, I know that a turnout of 2% is unrealistic. But it is about refusing to legitim ise a gang of paraistes and mobsters. I do not put my hea din the ground - but you do. You say the alternativ eis playing by the rule sof theirs. You ignore that that way nothign chnages, and nothing will chnage,a nd that these rulers were deigned to make sure right this: that nothign chnages. Partoiresd come and go, names cvome and go. The system, the rules stay.



I feel abused and raped by this system. It offends my reasonability and my intellect and my education. Yes, most people will not reject the system - because they were turned into dfepending people who live of if, due to their weakness. Thats why socialist populsits want more and more "service" provided to them by the state. and thats why I call all this voter-bribery. And you buy it. You fall for it.



Before telling me I should get my head out of the ground, better take care of your own.



You do not get rid of crime when beign elft with the choice b etween three different mafiosi for leadership. That choice is no freedom, that choice is an alibi. It is no choice.



And this: when you are in an assembly, say flat owners in a shared property or house, then your votre has a weight of 1/10th. It could make a difference. Butg when there are lets say 90 million voters, then your vote has a weight of 1/90,000,000.


Go on, feel important. No matter how you vote, the final result is not affected by you.



They swing a carrot before your nose. And you run after it, pulling their carriage. Gratulations, smarty.

[mapuc]

I can't remember who said something like

If voting meant something, people would not be allowed to vote.

Markus

[Skybird]

Luftwaffel: beside the technical problems, illustrated by that spare parts are not available from industrial side, and inspections of planes lasting for over one year, another problem makes itself increasingly felt: pilots are "fleeing" from the service, due to better working cinditons and payment in civiolian aviation. On the parade air base Laage, the base commander says he has 23 pilots - but 20 more pilots are needed. On other air bases, the quota of unmanned pilot positions varies between 35 and 50%.

Very much deeper reputation could not fall. In past weeks i read that the situation in the navy is not much different, so it is in the army. They do not get sufficient recruits anymore, anywhere. Which in case of pilots also means: recruits qualified enough for the training.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dw.com%2Fde%2Fdeutsche-luftwaffe-mit-flugzeugen-aber-ohne-piloten%2Fa-50275916

[Jimbuna]

That must be most worrying and hopefully the UK armed forces will not be experiencing further expenditure cuts to follow suit.

[Skybird]

Correction: me and my typos... The air base at Laage is the parade and training facility of the Luftwaffel. The base commander there says that he has 23 pilots - and 20 cockpit seats are vacant. So even on the best air base the germans have, they cannot crew more than one half of their fighters there.

[Jimbuna]

Germany must be hoping that the EU army can be created swiftly then :)

[Skybird]

The German Bundesrat has mulled a law draft and handed it to the Bundestag which says that vilification of EU symbols shall be punishable with up to three years in prison. The initiative for this laws stems from the federal state of Saxony.

"Niemand hat dier Absicht eine Mauer zu bauen." (Walter Ulbricht, SED party leader and leader of the GDR on 15.06.1961)

"Niemand hat die Absicht einen EU-Supertstaat zu erschaffen." (claimed by EUcrats since last decade of the 20th and throughout the early 21st century)

My prediction: since long politicians mull laws that will criminalise criticism of the EU and demand that any criticism of the EU must be proposed to EU organs that then can to decide on the legitimcy and valdity of said criticsm. This now will come next. The end of free speech and the implementation of thought police. Thinking will need a party license. Thinkling independently already now is socially banned and sanctioned.

The sometimes hilarious, sometimes horrific blueprints for political reglementation of civil society as Philip K. Dick depicted them in so many of his novels, become kind of reality.

At times I start to hope that Russia would indeed launch war against Europe and that the US indeed would stay out of it and chose isolationism. Just so to bomb all this insanity out of the rotting European mind and force reason back into vacuum by confronting luxury-used peasants with existential threat to their very life and survival.


What Alexis de Toqueville once wrote in hisw time, is valid und true for today as well:

"Tyranny in democratic republics does not proceed in the same way, however. It ignores the body and goes straight for the soul. The master no longer says: You will think as I do or die. He says: You are free not to think as I do. You may keep your life, your property, and everything else. But from this day forth you shall be as a stranger among us. You will retain your civic privileges, but they will be of no use to you. For if you seek the votes of your fellow citizens, they will withhold them, and if you seek only their esteem, they will feign to refuse even that. You will remain among men, but you will forfeit your rights to humanity. When you approach your fellow creatures, they will shun you as one who is impure. And even those who believe in your innocence will abandon you, lest they, too, be shunned in turn. Go in peace, I will not take your life, but the life I leave you with is worse than death."


I quoted this several times now, but it is so damn true and actual that it is depressing. However, nothing stops today's ideologists to take several steps beyond Toqueville's warnings.

[STEED]

The German Bundesrat has mulled a law draft and handed it to the Bundestag which says that vilification of EU symbols shall be punishable with up to three years in prison. The initiative for this laws stems from the federal state of Saxony.

WHAT!

Has Germany learned anything about 1933-1945 or has that been erased from history and substituted with Germany was out to lunch during this period.

:o

[Skybird]

^ This video shows "Klartext". Imagine an American president would do this with an American flag after he won an election. The American public would go ballistic. Or imagine the French president throwing the French flag away, I think the French would be so furious that he could quit immediately. I am no symbol-swinger and anthem-singer myself, all this ritualised ceremony means little to me, but I know that it points at something that means a lot to many other people, and that other people value the ceremonial expression itself, too. For Merkel, neither means anything. Cold as a snake in winter. But bites when warmed up.



Its also common over here that if a high politician like the chancellor or the federal president holds a speech on TV, the EU flag always is in front and covers the German flag placed behind it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05j7Bg4f3q0


As the old joke goes: Merkel fulfills Erich Honnecker's late revenge on the BRD. Her mission is almost fulfilled. The poisonous fruits of her treason will blossom in the years after she has left office.

[STEED]

^I recall that, what a pillock that woman is at times.

[Skybird]

There is more GDR, FdJ and SED than Germany in her. Her acting reflects her ideological self-understanding whcih is of ideological SED regime heritage. He r father led the family in 1950 from safe West Germany into the GDR and there helped the Stasi to undermine and erode the Protestant chuirch form within. And she is a trained specialist for agitation and propaganda and made a career for that in the FdJ.



She is is the most treacherous foul apple that the collapse of the GDR left for heritage to West (and then reunited) Germany. No other survivor of the SED regime was such a turncoat, like she turned out to be. She even outclasses Gregor Gysi, lawyer and Linke-politician who was a Stasi informer and until today has the chuzpe to intimidate everybody with legal action if that person speaks out about that although a court found him guilty and upheld that verdict. To be worse than Gysi, that really means something.



The slime track left by the SED regime never dries out.

[Jimbuna]

I'm certainly not disbelieving you but having read the above has prompted me to make a mental note and do a little research on the subject matter.

[Skybird]

I'm certainly not disbelieving you but having read the above has prompted me to make a mental note and do a little research on the subject matter.

Then why not starting with what this guy LINK (https://hubertus-knabe.de/kontakt/contact/), a historian and professional expert for the Stasi's history, has to say on it and on claims that Merkel even worked for the Stasi herself under the codename "IM Erika".


Dr. Hubertus Knabe is a German historian based in Berlin. He is an expert on East Germany and the legacy of communist Regimes in Europe. From 2000 to 2018 he was the Director of the Berlin-Hohenschönhausen Memorial, the former central prison of the Ministry of State Security (Stasi)

This claim most likely seems to be a propaganda coup (I fell for it myself in the past, but understood that I was probably misled there). But the history of her family and her activities in the FdJ are real. Her father was informant of the Stasi for sure, his file proving it was found, the operaiton yb the stasi to undermine the Protestant church is documented. The chancellor's office tried extremely hard from Merkel'S first month in office on to make any biographical documents and official papers from GDR times unavailable. Files disappeared, journalists asking unwanted questions were clearly indicated that if they want to have a future in reporting from Berlin's political scene they better learn to not ask these questions.

Or in plain English: they tried to bury it.

I give the original German link to Knabe's text about Merkel. One has to admit, no matter where one stands, that he tries to approach the subject as fair and objective as he can.

https://hubertus-knabe.de/auf-den-spuren-von-im-erika/

Use the Google translator and see whether it works. For me, it did not accept the text, but that could be some browser setting of mine. Some webpages I cannot get translated in Google Translator.

[ikalugin]

At times I start to hope that Russia would indeed launch war against Europe and that the US indeed would stay out of it and chose isolationism. Just so to bomb all this insanity out of the rotting European mind and force reason back into vacuum by confronting luxury-used peasants with existential threat to their very life and survival.
What would we gain?

[Skybird]

What would we gain?
Who cares? :) But you would do us Germans a favour - relief from ourselves! You see, even just life itself for us already is an unbearable moral burden, not to mention the massive CO2 and methane emissions we contribute to climate pollution by our breath and our farting...



:D

[ikalugin]

Who cares? :) But you would do us Germans a favour - relief from ourselves! You see, even just life itself for us already is an unbearable moral burden, not to mention the massive CO2 and methane emissions we contribute to climate pollution by our breath and our farting...



:D
You know, moral burden is in your mind. Maybe you should start there.

[Catfish]

Then why not starting with what this guy LINK (https://hubertus-knabe.de/kontakt/contact/), a historian and professional expert for the Stasi's history, has to say on it and on claims that Merkel even worked for the Stasi herself under the codename "IM Erika". [...] .It seems you did not read the link you posted. He more or less debunks the myths about an "IM Erika" as a lot of other false accusations.

You can blame Merkel for not often speaking about her past in the GDR, but there is no real evidence that she has worked for the Stasi or has been in a leading position in any of the GDR's secret service branches.

Direct quote from S:'s link:
"Man mag Merkel vorwerfen, dass sie als Bundeskanzlerin nicht wirklich offen über ihre DDR-Vergangenheit spricht. Ein Beleg für eine Tätigkeit für den Staatssicherheitsdienst ist ihre vergleichsweise unbedeutende Funktion in der FDJ in jedem Fall nicht."

Here is the whole article, by Google translate:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhubertus-knabe.de%2Fauf-den-spuren-von-im-erika%2F

If you look for "IM Erika" or "Traitor Merkel" you will of course find lots of stuff, approximately as reliable and true like a Sun or Breitbart article.

[Skybird]

It seems you did not read the link you posted. He more or less debunks the myths about an "IM Erika" as a lot of other false accusations.
No, YOU did not read very well.



I said that the IM Erika story apparently now counts as debunked, and I wa s not going after that story at all. That essay by Knabe touches upon the issue of Merkels FdJ past, and her father, at the end of the text and after Knabe dealt with the IM Erika story.



Your spring-loaded trap once again snapped too early.

[Skybird]

You know, moral burden is in your mind. Maybe you should start there.
We did start there - and from there we conquer the world!

[Catfish]

[...] Your spring-loaded trap once again snapped too early.
What? :hmmm:

Spin it your way like you want, or reread the text, including the last paragraph(s).

[Skybird]

You have nio need to parrot what I just said.

[Skybird]

Bejing opened its new mega airport - after just four years.


Germany - and especially Berlin - has reason to be ashamed. :D The new airport at Berlin is being opened since 8 years now, after a construction time of 5 years from 2006 to 2011 and a projected follow-on construction due to initial misplanning of another 15 years, from 2020 on, once the so far 8-years lasting opening ceremony has ended. All envisioned stages of construction will be completed in 2035.


Says the great masterplan. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Bejing opened its new mega airport - after just four years.


Germany - and especially Berlin - has reason to be ashamed. :D The new airport at Berlin is being opened since 8 years now, after a construction time of 5 years from 2006 to 2011 and a projected follow-on construction due to initial misplanning of another 15 years, from 2020 on, once the so far 8-years lasting opening ceremony has ended. All envisioned stages of construction will be completed in 2035.


Says the great masterplan. :haha:

Not quite as long as Brexit will take then :03:

[Skybird]

Süddeutsche Zeitung gets quoted with a report on that the Luftwaffe will replace 70 Tornados with capability to carry US-made nuclear weapons stored in Germany until 2025. Word is that the German miltary favours the American F-18 over the Eurofighter for that role, because of the certificaiton process needed to be run by the Americans: the Eurofighter would be able to fill the gap just 3 years later than the Hornet.

I expect that politicians will interfere with the pragmatic preference by the military.


I do not know current prices, but would have no problem with the F-18, its still a damn good plane for its tasked mission profiles.

[Jimbuna]

Why would the nuclear option be preferable?

[Skybird]

Why would the nuclear option be preferable?
The US has nuclear bombs based in Germany, and there is an agreement we call "nukleare Teilhabe/nuclear sharing" that allows/demands the Germans to be capable to deliver these weapons in case of war and on German aerial platforms. Technical compatability with the carrier platform must be certified by the Americans, since the weapons are US-made and US technology. Thsi certification takes less time in case of the F-18 than with the Eurofighter. Three years, they write.


There is growing concenr about these weapons due to their age, some experts fear they cannot be moved anymore without risk of "breaking up". Since years there is an occasional report here and there that once again it was/is planned to replace them with new builds. I do not know what has come of this.

[Jimbuna]

Appreciate the clarafication :up:

[Skybird]

Der Spiegel interviewing daniel
ellsberg (whistleblower against Nixon).



https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland %2Fwhistleblower-daniel-ellsberg-sorgt-sich-um-ukraine-informant-a-1290068.htm


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[Skybird]

Lorry attack in Germany being investigated as act of terror.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49970807

Attacker is a 32 years old syrian whose asylum request was denied.

"Und seid ihr nicht willig , so brauch ich Gewalt."

The attacker is known to police: shoplifting, dangerous bodily injury, drug dealing. A sweetheart and cuty darling.

[Jimbuna]

I wonder if they'll grant his asylum request now as a 'calming measure' :doh:

[Skybird]

Recently, here in my "home"town. The reason why I call it the age of infantility. Nicely reminded me of how little, if anything, i have in common with these people. Wait until the band starts playing - and run.

Yes, Germany is just a giant mental asylum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-AAGlxvyJs


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtVdm8YCgkIS2bc_3quo3GBwQEoIR2F FZm8LHnTjSK30gibhGY

[Skybird]

The German football association DFB has instruictred its referees in German lague matches that Turkish players shpwing military salutes should not be snacitoned in anyway.


This is in violation of the official UEFA stand on such issues.



Truth is nobod yin germany dares to risk a collision with the Turks and tio unsettle pro-Erdoghan sentiments.



-----


A recent study also showed that a majority of germans now is afraid of speaking out their mind freely in public, claiming social intimidiation and fear of getting mobbed when saying poltically incorrect things.



They have all reason to be so. The propaganda machine over here works very powerfully now and at the same time very subtle. PC lobby groups and special interest activists enjoy maximum freedom and have a huge arsenal of suppoorts and accomplice sin media, they can trumpet their tunes unhindered and not needing to care for any oppposing reaction.

[Jimbuna]

Sadly, a possible consequence of having an open door policy.

[Skybird]

Sadly, a possible consequence of having an open door policy.
No, open door polciies and migration are not the cause here. A general fanatical radicalization to evn ba force forbid others to have a disagreeing opinion, a fanatical coinviction to be 100% right and everybody elkse being 100& wrong and thus failing to qualify for any rights to express it without getting santioned and penalised. An erosion of discussion culture, and narcissistic incapability to accept that others do not agree with one's own view. A paternalistic craving to force imorvemment uppj others as oneself defines "improvement". Dilettantes who think their craving for applause already gives them claim for gettign apllaus ev en if not having dleivered any acievement or havign and skill deserving aplaus: of course empirical testing of claims and staements is not needed as well, since one knows that one is right. The inability to tolerate disgreement. The demand for always acting in consensus becoming a synonyme for tyrannic repression. "Alternativlosigkeit" (by Merkel) ruling out any objection, any disagreeing, any opposition.



What have all these things in common? A basic totalitarian mindset and orientation, a certain lack of tolerance. Thats why I so often call things totalitarian nowadays.



So, it is not just due to the wrong kind of mogrants allowed in in too huge numbers. But of course it would help if Germany were far more pragmatic and selectiove regarding whom we let in and let stay, and whom we sort out. But to even wantign to tlak about that stgmatises you in germany so that you turn ionto a pariah immediately. Remember that quote by Alexis de Toqueville that I repeatedly gave in past months? Its true for germany as well.




Tyranny in democratic republics does not proceed in the same way, however. It ignores the body and goes straight for the soul. The master no longer says: You will think as I do or die. He says: You are free not to think as I do. You may keep your life, your property, and everything else. But from this day forth you shall be as a stranger among us. You will retain your civic privileges, but they will be of no use to you. For if you seek the votes of your fellow citizens, they will withhold them, and if you seek only their esteem, they will feign to refuse even that. You will remain among men, but you will forfeit your rights to humanity. When you approach your fellow creatures, they will shun you as one who is impure. And even those who believe in your innocence will abandon you, lest they, too, be shunned in turn. Go in peace, I will not take your life, but the life I leave you with is worse than death.
^This is what is currently happening. Everywhere, on all levels.


Especially bad it is at universities.

[Jimbuna]

Tis the next generation I feel most sorry for.

[Skybird]

Tis the next generation I feel most sorry for.
Do not think for one moment they are all cute and holy just because they are "young"! Feel sorry and try to help the offsprings from your family, and stay focussed on and loyal to them, and them alone. Carrying the weight of all the world and feeling sorry for it, is for us Germans, we excel better in that than you. :O:


Serious, care for your family, and closest, worthy friends. Already a big task that is! Personally I do not believe in the good of all people anymore. Reality cured me from that. I now hope for some good in some people. The ratio between disappointment and getting pleasently surprised shifted towards the more bearable that way.



:03: :up: :salute:

[Jimbuna]

Feel sorry and try to help the offsprings from your family, and stay focussed on and loyal to them, and them alone.

I certainly don't have a problem with that :yep:

[Skybird]

I leave this in German. Its about the grammatical style of Merkel'S language, and what it means.


https://www.tagesspiegel.de/kultur/kolumne-spiegelstrich-die-kanzlerin-sagt-ja-was-eigentlich/25136086.html


Its the language style of lifeless bureaucrats. SED politbureau members. Political leaders who want to mislead others and want to avoid any own liability, personality, and who want to lull the public, keep them ion a cozy nap, free fromt he brudens of thinking, deciding, wondering. I heard this kind of language when listening in to DDR-TV andDDR-radio in West-Berlin, or watching propaganda news from Warsaw Pact state's TV an radio. Its lifeless, anonymous, designed to offer nothign a thinking mind can connect to or ask questions about. Its meaningless drivel: grey and cold and hollow, like a dead corpus that got burned in flames, and just a soft blow is enough to make it all fly away and be immadtely forgotten.


Merkel was a specially-trained FdJ member who made it to high ranks in the department for agitation and propaganda. Which means she is kind of a trained expert in these things. It shows in the way she handles interviews, speaks, acts. I sometimes said - not without reason - that she lives by the political self-understanding of a SED general secretary and head of Politbureau, her understanbding of "dmeicracy" is not mucz different from that what they had in the GDR: let them talk, call it democratic - but let all control and decision be with us. Give the appearance of diversity, but always keep it on a short line and make sure the only one whop counts, is you. Let them vote, but only like you want them. Its the same kind of language, and derogatory attitude towards others. Even her famous hand gesture - a rhomb formed with both hands before her navel - is meant to distract from her words. So much reporting about that detail that means nothing, but destracts from what she says, and thus nobody thinks about what she said. Did she even say anything ? Her diamond/rhomb is no sign of shyness, and no tick. Its a clever trick, and it is intentionally used. Its the real importan tnews to focus on. A distractor.



Merkel even denied that "nudging" is meant to manipulate people, and a speaker of her wanted to explain that nudging leaves full freedom of choice and decision to people (while truth is that it has the purpose to leave them just the illusion, but make them do what they are demanded to do). All what she does, especially her way of using language, is manipulative. Command and force is okay - as long as it is not perceived as command and force, and doe snot get called by its name.



Zombie.

[mapuc]

If there ever was some kind of education before a voter could vote

Most of what you wrote should be a part of this education.

Markus

[skidman]

If there ever was some kind of education before a voter could vote


If memory serves me right you claimed voting was irrelevant and should be avoided some weeks ago.

Most of what you wrote should be a part of this education.


Most of what he writes is a crusade against windmills he puts a red label on.

[mapuc]

That's true I haven't been voting since 2002 and I have several times, latest in our UK Politics said the best way to give your politicians a smack on the fingers is to either stay home or deliver the voting blank.

Markus

[ikalugin]

I voted in the presidential elections because I think that voting is important citizen duty.

[Jimbuna]

I voted in the presidential elections because I think that voting is important citizen duty.

Who did you vote for?

[Skybird]

Interview with Lithuania'S former head of state Landbsergis: "Germany falls for socialism for the third time".

Very recommended read, even if the bot translator stumbles a bit. Try to get the meaning of the whole when grammar and sentence sound coarse. The man talks plain and straight and calls things by their names.

And to Germany's shame I must admit he is 100% right.

Not my shame - Germany's shame. I do not count myself as part of it anymore, I feel way too alien from the contemporary Germans now. The stamp on my ID card is just a formality. It has no meaning to me that goes beyond bureaucratic bean counting.

The Germans are very similar to the Russians in their way of thinking and in their mentality. They fit very well with the Russian empire that Putin wants to build. Michail Jurjew quite openly describes this in his book "The Third Empire". It is true that a close alliance of Russia and Germany is inevitable, which is very advantageous for both countries, as Bismarck understood. That's why it will come. The Anglo-Saxon World could prevent that twice, but the third time they will not succeed. As America weakens, Europe will lose its sovereignty. The only question is whether it will be influenced by Russia, a Russian-German state or the Islamic world. Who knows. In any case, it is clear that belief in the EU as an independent force that plays a role in world politics is a joke, albeit a widespread one. Russia is working towards precisely this disintegration of Europe.
(...)
In Germany a strict distinction is made between socialism and National Socialism. This is the biggest deception that one now always pretends that there is a difference between totalitarianism, between national and international socialism. But that does not exist. Only the paint is different. The dissidents in the Soviet Union called the Communists red fascists. And they were right. The dictatorships are all the same in their nature, they are all fascist, they rely on violence and rely on a philosophy to justify this violence. In fact, they are social Darwinist. No matter if red, brown or black.

[ikalugin]

Who did you vote for?
Destroyed the ballot.

[Jimbuna]

Destroyed the ballot.

Better hope the secret police aren't monitoring SubSim then :)

[ikalugin]

Better hope the secret police aren't monitoring SubSim then :)
It is perfectly legal and is a reasonably common practice.

[Catfish]

Destroyed the ballot.

:rotfl2: very good as a cititizen's duty.. now expect to be drawn into the military like in Putin's election spots :O:

[Skybird]

Remark of the day, by Henryk Broder for Die Achse:


"The election in Thuringia next Sunday could cause a small earthquake, yet it is strangely quiet in the German party landscape. If you believe the polls, the majority of the Thuringians will vote for Die Linke, and AfD. No government could be formed against these two together. The totality of all parties of the old Federal Republic would have no majority for the first time.

For the old party system, that's actually what the iceberg was to the Titanic."

[Skybird]

The author has been working since 1991 as a lawyer and as a consultant to decision-makers, primarily in the field of small and medium-sized enterprises.


https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fwirtsch aft_was_wirklich_los_ist_bericht_einer_beteiligten

Parties and lobbies have made the state a prey.

[Catfish]

I'd say lobbies are predominantly a symptom of capitalism trying to get more influence on politics via politicians, to help spread corruption to gain more.
No doubt that a lot fall for it, however the initiative does not lie by the politicians.

[Skybird]

I would not differentiate this strictly between business and poltical personnel. Also, often career politicians are who opens lobbyists the doors and shut down safeties. Politicans in the end always want planned econiomies, and capitalists wanting to bypass market competition by erecting their own monopolies, also want planned eocnomies - THEIR planned economic rules and prices, that is . And thats why both groups lay in bed together. What they have in common is their strong antipathy against competiiton, free market, and liberty. They want: rule of their own rules. Commanding terms and conditions. Motives may vary in nuances, the goals are the same.

[Catfish]

Agreed, i was not thinking that far ahead though, just thought of Merz.

[mapuc]

This remind me how some of my Danish friends are tired of all these career politicians

My response, as always...so why do you put your vote on these politicians.

Back to GER politics

Markus

[Skybird]

Remark of the day, by Henryk Broder for Die Achse:


"The election in Thuringia next Sunday could cause a small earthquake, yet it is strangely quiet in the German party landscape. If you believe the polls, the majority of the Thuringians will vote for Die Linke, and AfD. No government could be formed against these two together. The totality of all parties of the old Federal Republic would have no majority for the first time.

For the old party system, that's actually what the iceberg was to the Titanic."
Elections in Thuringia, and the above came true. First computer prediction:


https://s19.directupload.net/images/191027/nf49w7nl.png (https://www.directupload.net)

The former SED party Die Linke and the AFD with together 54%.

[Skybird]

The "honest eleciton result", that calculates non-voters (="Nichtwähler") into the final election result.
https://s19.directupload.net/images/191027/jzyk4rn2.png (https://www.directupload.net)

[Skybird]

Some observations from the past two years and after the past couple of state elections.

1. The two dominant mainstream parties are no more neither dominant nor mainstream.

2. The political middle ground is eroding as faster if not faster as the social middle class.

3. Merkel's recipe to embrace themes and voters of the lkeft by making the CDU lkess conservative and prolific, made another conservative actor appear who overtakes the CDU on the right, and itself becomes more and more extreme rightwinged.

4. The parties of the great coalition in Berlin get punished again and again and again.

5. The party sytem frametises more and more. The ned for impossible coalitions between potlical antagonists seems to rise - and by that only creates a can ful of olive green paint - thats what bhappens if you mix all cokours there are into one bin: you then get an olive green.

6. As a result, two new poles form out, on the left and the right wing of the spectrum.

7. While coalitions betwene natural alies are no longer claiming majorities, and citizens are not satisfied with coalitions between impossible partners, extremists become more attractive.


8. Times with no new govenrment formed up, and voted-out govenrment staying in managerial office duty, grow longer and longer. There must be a time criterion beiyond which this shopuld be seen as uncponstitutional and new elections should be called. Instead - we see what they did to form this great coalition in Berlin. IT SHOULD NOT BE THERE.



We already had most of that before. In the Weimarer Republic. It did not end nicely.

[Skybird]

The Humboldt university in Berlin wants to take off the portraits of Nobel laureats and replace them with portraits of Humboldtianer*innen (yes, modern politically correct Germans speak and write this way) who showed cvil courage.

The hebephrenia of Germany wins further in pace. The times are near when everybody with an IQ above 90 will be made to feel ashamed for it. Or for being a man, not a woman. Manlings who are more girl than boy we already have more than enough.

[Skybird]

KMW has delivered the first of planned 104 Leopard 2A7V MBTs to the Bundeswehr. Until 2023, the whole lot will be delivered. These are refurbished and upgraded older tanks that had been sorted out by the German and othe rEuropean nations (thats what the V stands for: Verbessert.

The tank fleet then should have 328 tanks again. How amny of them then will be in a operaitonal readiness mode, remaisn to be seen. This is one of the biggest issues of the Germna military: the very low quota of duty-ready platforms.

In 1990, there were over 2200. :hmmm: At that time, one MBT was produced per day, says KFW.

Amongst other improvements, the new A7V model gets newer air conditioners. Still no electric tea kettles or Wurstbräter however. :)

They still look sexy, but that cannot hide that their conception and basic ideas are outdated. I think Russia has good chances to claim the title for the currently best MBT, though it has it only in very small quantity (Armata). The design ideas in this one lead the way.



https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/d3/97/43d3970e0afa31c139bd938e53d68b4f.jpg

[Jimbuna]

I've always rated the Leopard but I think you may be correct, they are getting a little dated now.

[Skybird]

I leave this in German, Google is not far away. Its about a girl age 19 who finsihed school this year and reports on how political correctness and antifa hysteria has hijacked her school an destroyed her former friendships.




https://www.achgut.com/artikel/die_politik_und_das_ende_einer_freundschaft


I heard of two comparable biographical cases personally. These are the reasons why I tend to shift my opinion on Fridays for Future and similiar movements towards that they are outright dangerous, since they pave the way for increasing opinion tyranny and totalitarianism - and the subjects are not even aware of it, are like under a spell. But yes, I think they turn dangerous due to thei incraisng intolerance and inability to act anything different than in total mass conformity. In the FdJ most teenagers were becasue it was the pragmatic no-escape option you had to comply with if you wnated to not ruin your life already at the start of your job or university career. But here, now, today, this sense of pragmatism is missing, instead the stuff is believed with fanatic frenzy and hysteria, feeding back on its own intolerance.



The Red Army Fraktion did not appear out of nowhere. And they enjoy sympathies until today, that even grow again nowadays.

[Jimbuna]

The mayor of Nuremberg in Germany has attacked a far-right party for "openly racist" comments about a teenage girl picked to be a Christmas gift-bringer.

A member of Alternative for Germany (AfD) attacked Benigna Munsi, who will open the city's Christmas market.

The teen was born in Nuremberg to an Indian father and a German mother.

"You would laugh about it if you didn't know these guys are serious, but you could cry about this level of hostility," Mayor Ulrich Maly said.

He said there had been "idiotic comments" about previous children chosen for the traditional role of "Christkind" (Christ Child), but this attack had an "openly racist connotation".

A now-deleted Facebook post by an AfD district branch said that German people were being eradicated like Native Americans.

"Nuremberg has a new Christ Child. One day, we're going to go the way of the Indians," it read.

Another AfD member meanwhile provoked further criticism for writing online that the teenager's "foreign" nose was a "slap in the face to friends of tradition".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50287563

So much for the season of peace and goodwill to everyone :hmmm:

[Skybird]

The Dutch had to abandon their black Piet. The Sarotti Mohr in Germany is no more. More and more often it is demanded to relabel "Weihnachtsmarkt" as "Winterfest". Girls are demanded to be allowed into boy choires. The "Weinkönigin"that gets voted for one year in many places where they farm vine kegs, should be allowed as a title for males or queers and gender things as well.

Don't be mistaken, Jim, that half-Indian girl (actually a sympathetic girl with a funny smile indeed) was not voted for due to real love for her, but because many of those voting for her, wanted to show the world their own superior moral acting again. Germans love to do that, you know. If you think this choice for that girl (with dark hair, whereas the Christkind traditionally is golden-haired) became real by the good hearts of the German voting people, you already went into the trap. Its about moral posing, and lining up with the rest of the collective. . ;)

I wish the girl to get fun from it. Still, I am against choosing her. A Christkind has golden hair, and a Mohr is black-skinned. Throw me into the deepest abyss in hell if you want, but I swear I tell the truth.

[Jimbuna]

Point taken :yep:

[Skybird]

Soon there will be the changing of the name Christkind to Winterperson*in. :doh: Anything goes these days. Or so they think.

[Skybird]

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutsch land%2Folaf-scholz-finanzminister-tilgt-nato-versprechen-aus-regierungsprogramm-a-1295367.html


Tja-tja. Das wird nie was.

[Jimbuna]

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutsch land%2Folaf-scholz-finanzminister-tilgt-nato-versprechen-aus-regierungsprogramm-a-1295367.html


Tja-tja. Das wird nie was.

Sorry, we are unable to access the page you requested:

EDIT: Working bow.

[Skybird]

30 years plus 1 day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llE7tCeNbro


That was it. The weeks before had many earlier climaxes of history unfolding, but this day was the big bang.


I had just left my parents home in West-Berlin days before and had moved to university at Osnabrück. The chaos unbreaking in Berlin I did not experience live myself. The Western city was "overrun". :D My parents hosted Eastern German foreigners as guests fro two nights. The Wetsern giovenrment gave every Eastegermn a welcome mone yof 100 D-Marks, which the couple my parents hosted spend all on bananas, becasue in the GDR that wa ssomehtignb rare and ver yspecial, and it had high symbolical value. They carried three huge plastic bags with bananas when they arrived at the flat of my parents in the evening. The next morning, they had eaten them all! Two person eating three big bags of bananans in one night. :D

[Skybird]

On gas. The dispute over North Stream 2.



https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nord-stream-2-the-cold-war-returns-to-germany-a-1296251.html


---


The American claims that Germany is importing 70-80% of its gas from Russia, is a typical Trumpian lie. In 2017, two thirds of the primary energy ressources like gas, oil, coal that are needed in Germany for energy production, indeed got imported, that is above EU average. 38% of the coal imports come from Russia (18% from the US). One third of the German gas imports come from Norway, and another third from Russia, and almost as big share, just slightly smaller, comes from the Netherlands. Of the oil imports, 36% of the imports come form Russia, 12% from Norway, and 8% each from the UK, Libya and Kasachstan, the rest from I seem to recall two dozen other sellers.

However, for Russia, Germany is the most important single buyer of their gas, and Germany is the second biggest buyer behind the Netherlands of Russian oil. Its is this strategic keyhole that you can bet is being eyed by Washington to mount pressure on Russia. Also, the Americans want to sell their own gas to Germany (which is not popular on the global market because it gets produced with a far bigger ecological footprint than the gas from Russia and other gas-producers, the American gas also is more toxic when beeing burned than gas from other sources on the market). Washington thus also wants to eliminate an economic competitor and rival. Washington'S claims that it wants to protect Germany from one-sided dependencnies, are not only arrogant, but are absurd and hide the shadowy aspects in the alternative offerings Washington makes. We have diversified the origins and carriers of our energy mix so much that we now use and get energy from over three dozen different origins and places. So what ever Washingtons claims its interest and motive is to prevent this pipeline: altruism and sympathy for Germany that must be protected from the Russians, has little if not nothing to do with it. Own American interest most likely is the far more important motive here.

Also, the Ukraine conflict plays a role, too, since the oil transferred through the Ukraine gives the Ukraine the possibility to demand transfer fees form moscow and also to steal oil from the transfer for its own consumption. We have had problems with that some years ago when reduced ammounts of oil arrived in Europe after the Ukrainian transit and left many households in Southern Europe in the cold: first due to the oil stolen by the ukraine, and then not being delivered by Moscow when they stopped delivery until transportation was possible under explicite avoidance of those parts of the Ukrainian network of pipleines where the losses were diagnosed to take place, also new diplomatic guarantees by Kiew both to Brussles and Moscow were given. The German intention to complete North Stream 2 is due to this example set. So that energy supply security is given independently of any possible problems and conflicts between Moscow and either the Ukraine, or Poland. The Polish lose a dead pledge that would allow them to control energy imports into the EU that go in thopriuhg their territory, so that they do not like this bypass, can be understood, it strips them of a tool for blackmailing Brussels in case of - of something... But the Polish intention is at the cost of the rest of the EU: and thus the German determination to materialise this bypass pipeline should there ever be an issue in or with Poland.


For comparable reasons the conflict between Brussels and Washington over the pipeline through Turkey.

[mapuc]

Lets hope the author Lars Wilderäng(Swedish author) book
Midvintermörker=Mittwinterliche Dunkelheit

Does not come true.

`cause in his book the Russian attack Sweden after having accused them for sabotage against their oil/gas line in the Baltic.

Back to real life again.

Markus

[Skybird]

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutsch land%2Fneue-bundeswehrmission-in-afrika-und-asien-geplant-a-1296655.html


Still controversial is the plan to send a German frigate into the South China (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.spiegel.de/thema/suedchinesisches_meer/&xid=17259,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,1570 0259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700280,15700283&usg=ALkJrhjvi1Eeb2GtQJCB61YfLtDag_Yjdw) Sea or the 180-kilometer-wide strait between Taiwan and the Chinese mainland. The Foreign (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.spiegel.de/thema/auswaertiges_amt/&xid=17259,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,1570 0259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700280,15700283&usg=ALkJrhgtQtDjfYt0_XsQXC4SifZJGsPP3w) Office had pushed the idea for the maritime mission according to SPIEGEL information, since Germany currently sits as a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council and has also taken over the chairmanship of the North Korea Sanctions Committee by the end of the year.
Mad Cow Disease, no doubt.

When AKK announced her clueless intentions at NATO some days ago, there was chuckle and grinning and disbelief. As one unnamed but higher rankling official should have said: "The German military can not even leave the barracks accident-free."

AKK: Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer (AKK also means Atomkraftwerk, but okay...). Now head of the CDU and a hopeful for the next chancellor elections, Merkel
'S chpice (ands I assume even Merkel already regrets it, but she has successfully assassinated any comoetence in the former CDU so that nobody shoudl challenge her party rule, as a result the party has no competent, believable names anymore, only cramping jerks and harmless poodles). Her popularity in the party and in the public is disastrous, he rpolling numbers a desaster, her competence just a rumour, her cluelessness legendary, and her style is that of a muscle cramp walking on two legs. See her as the German Diane Abott. A representative symbol for the state German society and politics are in.

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/g2Jq9VRg/hpvmlunchib31.jpg (https://postimg.cc/6ykGnGMZ)

[ikalugin]

Polish MoD also makes for a good component of that meme.

[STEED]

How's that bunch of liar's doing Sky? Still telling lies and lots of BS, our lot of politicians are the worst think yourself lucky mate. :03:

[Skybird]

Competition for the brightest minds: Germany fails. A book review (of a new German release by Gunnar Heinsohn) with many quotes worth to be considered. There are crucial lessons to be learned. Unfortunately those needing to learn them most urgently - the government, the parties, the left - will refuse to learn them.



https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fthink-beyondtheobvious.com%2Fbuchhinweis-wettkampf-um-die-klugen%2F

[Skybird]

The yearly update on the operational readiness of the German armed forces is out (and since last year under secrecy level). Some spotlights:


https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutsch land%2Feinsatzbereitschaft-bundeswehr-hat-grosse-probleme-mit-waffensystemen-a-1297015.html


As it says at the end, they have become quite creative in glossing over and "beautifying" the numbers.



Like they do with the defence spending number as well: since some years now, it includes the better part of the spending on developoment aid as well. Yes, the development aid spendings get added to the defence spending budget, showing a bigger defence budget that way than there actually is.



Internal spartring also has led to a confoict between AKK (CDU, defence) and Scholz (SPD, finances, hopeful fpor the elections). The SPD man, not shy to abuse tax money he has access to for his own eleciton campaign by bribving voters with it, has blocked AKK's plan to raise the spending for defence according to the plan announced by Merkel until 2024. This way he prevents Germany frokm meetign NATO obligations, he prevents the BW from improving on the material level, and he keeps a thumb on AKK, a direct rival for the next election for the chancelllor'S seat. An d Merkel? Says and dsoes nothing, not to endager her baby, the great coalition which was voted out of office at last elecitosn and should not even exist today.



Its all a mess, made of incompetence, unscrupolousness, treason, criminl energy, and dilettantism. The hilariously inefficient personell and planning and aquiring structure of the internal BW adminstration add the final creme on top.


What a difference these German forces make to that of the past. Today I read a German piece on the biography of Churchill, and to my surprise it quotes Churchill paying respect to the fearsome efficiency of the German army in WWI:


Zum Ruhm des deutschen Heeres im Ersten Weltkrieg wiederum metzte er Sätze wie diese: „In der Sphäre von militärischer Kraft verzeichnet die Spur der Menschheit nichts, was der Eruption des deutschen Vulkans gleichkäme. Vier Jahre lang bot Deutschland den fünf Erdteilen zu Land, zu Wasser und in der Luft kämpfend die Stirn. Die deutschen Heere (...) fügten ihren Feinden mehr als den doppelten Blutverlust zu, den sie selbst erlitten. (...) Überwältigende Völkerzahl, unbegrenzte Hilfsmittel, unermessliche Opfer, die Seeblockade vermochten fünfzig Monate lang nichts gegen sie auszurichten.“ Das nachträgliche Kompliment an den geschlagenen Kriegsgegner schließt mit dem Ruf: „Fürwahr, ihr Deutschen, für die Geschichte reicht das aus!“


And on WW2, I still recommend van Creveld benchmark analysis "Fighting Power", which is a difficult becauswe numbers- and table-heavy reading, it statistically proves his case of how awesomely superior the German army operated in comparison to the efficiency levels of its enemies, namely the US Army.



I am not to glorify WW1 and WW2 and the bloodshed done. I just illustrate the huge difference beteen military competence (free of any ideological context) back then, and today. Not much is left, the German forces today are just shadows of their former self. When the Chiense still occiuaosnalyl sent some of thewir officers for trianign to germany (and the German being stupid enough to provide it), this is not becasue the Chinese think they cna leanr anything nerw form the Germans, but becasue they study the inherent wekanesses of Wetsenr miklitary doctrine. We made them an economical giant and he now cracks down on us, and we provide them military knowledge that they can use against us (against the US and Japan). Aren't we a clever German Chamberlain. This is the China that 30 years ago slaughtered and massacred overt tne thosuand of its young citizens who onyl demanded their birth ri8ght of beign free beignb respected by the cmrinal gang of the KP, and the same China that Germany until today pays developom ent aid to (!!!) and whose boss at the top tries to found a new family dynasty - his own - to rule as godf-emperors over Chinese peasants. If they will repeat in Hongkong like they did on that famous plaza thirty ears ago, all China will jubilate! The brainwashing is complete, and finished. For the few resisting minorities, there are the new Chinese-build KZs, the ordinary Uigur's Holiday Inn.



At least we plan to send a single frigate into the steet between China and Taiwan. That will teach them who they are dealing with!

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I guess we should have a politics thread for each of the G7

[Skybird]

Putting it here, due to the German language.

After very long time of unavailability, I yesterday found that a new translation or at least massive re-edit and publishing of Ayn Rand's second great novel beside Atlas Shrugged has been made available to German readers, and already in July this year. The Fountainhead was published under the title Der Ursprung by TvR Mediaverlag Jena, costs 37 Euros and is 1022 pages thick. An e-book version is currently not available, but maybe comes later.

[Catfish]

When Rand died in the last millenium, someone obviously forgot to drive an oak pole through her heart.

[Skybird]

Of course I disagree, but looking at it through your eyes, that comment made me laugh. :)

[Skybird]

Blue Monday in the Green Vault. No Black Friday in sight.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50545003

[Jimbuna]

German media say the thieves apparently twisted back some iron grille bars on a ground floor window to break into the treasury's historic collection, through a small gap.

Doesn't sound like security measures were up to the task.

[Skybird]

Tabloid Bild Zeitung writes jewelry worth "up to one billion" Euros was stolen. Howqever, the pieces are unsellable on the market, since they are too well-known.

I think they are likely to dissapear in a private collection.

The total collection stored in the museum has a material value of several billions. The immaterial value due to their historical and cultural relevance cannot be estimated.


They even were lucky, however. The Green Diamond, 41 Karat and the biggest green diamond in the world, was not "at home", but currently is on display in the Metropolitan Museum in New York.

[Skybird]

Gnnnnaahhhhh... They say the guards in the museum watched and recorded the robbery live on their video, and did - nothing, for self-protection. They are not armed. :doh:

One of the biggest treasury chambers in Europe.

Well.

Such "guard" nobody needs - automatic cameras and remote-controlled alarm sensor woukd be enough. Why having - and paying - guards that are not allowed to fulfill the task they are being hired for?

Guards that cannot fight off robbers, due to legal limitations, inability or lack of weaponry, are not guards, but - well, bystanders. Tourists.

[Catfish]

Private guards eh? :haha:
They were of course "allowed to interfere", you could even go as far as expect it from them; there is no rule or conduct that forbade that. They just chose not to.

Privatizing profits is good for you. Socialising losses is even better.


edit: some uniform-wearing person told the journalists that they were not allowed to use force because "human life counts more than jewels".
The curator also said that guards were not allowed to use physical force.
Another source claims the guards carried machine guns. Another source denies it. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Gnnnnaahhhhh... They say the guards in the museum watched and recorded the robbery live on their video, and did - nothing, for self-protection. They are not armed. :doh:

One of the biggest treasury chambers in Europe.

Well.

Such "guard" nobody needs - automatic cameras and remote-controlled alarm sensor woukd be enough. Why having - and paying - guards that are not allowed to fulfill the task they are being hired for?

Guards that cannot fight off robbers, due to legal limitations, inability or lack of weaponry, are not guards, but - well, bystanders. Tourists.

Precisely :nope:

[Skybird]

Main news on State TV main channel reiterated that the "guards" in the museum did exactly what they were supposed to do: nothing, just telephoning to the police that a robbery takes place.

They also said that the museum has claimed to have gotten top notch security systems, rivalling the best in the world. Still, a gang of people were able to brake in, were caught on video, were watched to walk to a certain showcase, were recorded to smack it open with an axe, and were observed taking the jewelry and then moving out.

And the guards all the time did nothing. As was expected of them.

An electric junction box was set on fire. The fire brigade switched off the power in the block to extinguish the fire. In other words: it was the fire brigade that interrupted the power to the museum. The top notch security system, rivalling the best of the best in the world, had no independent power supply. Still, no reaosn for the guards to do anything. As was expected of them.

Dear Dresden museum and dear German legislative - you got what you have asked for. :yeah: Top notch security system, rivalling the best of the best in the world, and the appropriate result. :haha: And the guards doing nothing, as expected of them.

Really, I could laugh my lower backside off over this. Well, its Germany, maybe I should not be surprised. Their idea of security and my idea of security seem to be a galaxy apart.

[Skybird]

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fkarriere%2Fkarlsr uhe-soldat-will-frauen-nicht-die-hand-geben-und-zieht-vor-verfassungsgericht-a-1298889.html


A Muhammeddan soldier who refused to shake hands with women for religious reasons and was therefore released from the Bundeswehr (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.spiegel.de/thema/bundeswehr/&xid=17259,15700022,15700186,15700190,15700256,1570 0259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700283&usg=ALkJrhg82KM1hU4UR7dzTrdN6GHn87NBSg) has now filed a constitutional complaint.

[Skybird]

The former co-head of the AfD party Gauweiler said today:

"If the Greens, the reds and the dark-reds go together, there will come the day when a weakened CDU will have only one option left - us."

Well. Hate it or like it, he has a point. The polarization moves on. The sPD is dead, and the old promise to never form coalitions with Die Linke, ha sbeen vanished. I am certain the CDU vow to never go into coaltions with the AfD, is of limit5ed longevitxy as well. The CDU nevertheless will lose in relevance. The political middle is eroded after these great coalitions and then 16 years of Merkel stasis, the extreme poles left and right thus take over.

Gauweiler above referred to the coalition on federal state level between Die Grünen (greens), the SPD (reds) , and Die Linke (dark reds).

[Skybird]

The German football team must play against France and Portugal in group F in the first round of the European championship next year. The fourth candidate in that group still is not decided. But with Portugal and France (the ruling world and European champions), an early death of the German team in an international tournament once again is possible and absolutely not unrealistic.

Over the course of the last year or longer, an itense alienation process between fans and the DFB has taken place. It started already before the catastrophe at the last world championship, but since then has intensified. Many are stunned that no serious personell consequences at the boss positions have taken place and that Löw still is in place. The price policy gets criticised, and the identification with the team and the players is as low as never before. Almost non-existent. And many of the players have an obedient Milchbubi-image, streamlined and housebroken. What is missed are characters "mit Ecken und Kanten".

Personally my interest is even lower than at the world championship. Maybe they live through the first phase, maybe not. Its uninteresting now.

[Skybird]

The great coalition has been exposed to dramatically raised risk of breaking apart. The SPD voted against the pro-coalition pair Scholtz/Geywitz and made Walter-Borjans/Esken their new party bosses. Thy are representign the left wing in the left SPD, and some describe them as the trojan horses of the even more-left-leaning SPD youth organisation JuSo.



https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-spd-elects-walter-borjans-and-esken-as-new-leaders/a-51484038


The coalition would be no loss if dying early. Its record is desastrous charcaterised by opportunism and long.term risks and vulenrabilities raised, all in a bid to secure Merkel's term. The constellation was vouted out of office in last egnerla elections - and should not even exist today. Its the reaosn why the potlicla middle is eroding and the polarised edges of the spectrum gain in power and influence.

[Skybird]

At least some people fianlly have woken up. Or so it seems.



https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Ffinanzen%2Fboerse%2 Fkonjunktur%2Faerger-wegen-gegenwind-aus-berlin-mega-plaene-fuer-wasserstoff-industrie-norddeutschland-will-dubai-2-0-werden_id_11418849.html


This comes a week after a news report saying that even if just the minimum quota for electrifcation ofindividual traffic with batter-cars would be met over the coming ten years, this would mean that after wokring hours lights and heating in germany would be "switched off" just so to charge the dcars, and that therefore power for car charging would be rationized, which in return would mean that the in dovidual traffic, the private drivers, would run into mounting risks regarding the reach of their cars.


This battery-driven eletrification idea leads nowhere, I think. It can be only a solution for locally focussed, limited traffic , oike delivery services and such. All prvater hpuseholds running on batteries? I have stopped believing this already years ago. Producing hydrogene may need a lot of work and energy, but form nothign comes nothing, and the idea that we could live as before without self-limitations but reduce energy conummation rates, is for little children only.



This is part of the great self-deception anyway: to think we could have both: a cleaner world without cutting back luxury, consummation, and population numbers (globally). We may want to have it all - but we cannot have it.

[Skybird]

Das nackte Grauen.

https://www.focus.de/finanzen/boerse/experten/gastbeitrag-von-gabor-steingart-ezb-will-das-klima-mit-neuer-geldflut-retten-der-deutsche-steuerzahler-haftet_id_11424935.html

Und niemand empört sich. Niemand.

Atlas shrugged.

[Skybird]

A loong (50 minutes) interview with one of my most favourite commentators of contemporary Zeitgeist issues in Germany, Henryk Broder. Good entertainment , witty conversation and good fun is to be had, unfortunately only for people understanding spoken German - or who are satisfied with Googles automatic video translation textlines.

Have the Germans always been like this...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1267&v=tNYa7RWRK4Q&feature=emb_logo


The interviewing lady is Swiss.


"I'm just waiting for the first study showing that consensual sex has a damaging infleunce on climate, and I am absolutely convinced that within the next six months somebody will write his doctoral thesis about that."
:k_rofl:




Edit:
"Heil Broder!" :Kaleun_Party:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT6oa2FtS8M

[Skybird]

Yesterday evening at Breitscheidplatz

On Saturday evening I attended a performance of Johann Sebastian Bach's Christmas Oratorio in the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church in Berlin. It was the traditional concert of the Bach choir conducted by the wonderful Achim Zimmermann.
On the way to the performance I paused briefly at the point where Berliners and their guests still remember the victim of the attack on the local Christmas market three years ago. Even this little prayer was a symbol that nothing is what it used to be. Our society has changed drastically, and unlike a notorious green politician, I can't be happy about it.
I thought of Anabel Schunkes article ("Three years of Breitscheidplatz - there is no empathy in the app store") about how badly the victims of the attack are neglected by politics, that the Senate did not consider it necessary to take those affected to this year's commemoration to the committee of inquiry, which found that the Merkel government failed to do anything to prevent the attack.
The Amris can still move around freely, new ones come every day, some directly from the Syrian battlefields, and if caught in crime, a cuddly justice system ensures that the consequences are minimal. A film is currently running in our cinemas, "The Last Bull", in which the Arab clans are glorified and the police are disparaged. The question is not whether the next attack will come, but only when.
I lit a candle and went on to the concert. The church was filled to the last seat. Only at the very edge had some additional chairs been set up for people like me who were getting on the last minute.


Police officers with guns in their arms

From the beginning, the first notes of "Jauchzet, frohlocket", I forgot the world. The music led the audience into heavenly spheres. Among the arias and choirs are first-class treasures, such as the aria "Close my heart" or "Merry shepherd hurries ... seeks to win grace", or the choir "Break, you beautiful morning light". "Bach has never created anything more noble in this form," says the program. I have nothing to add to this. Whoever hears Bach knows what makes our culture so strong.
At the final chorus "Death, devil, sin and hell are completely weakened" I felt strengthened and comforted. After the music had died away, the audience remained silent before the applause broke out.
When we left the church, the Christmas market invited to stroll. It was still well attended, but you could get mulled wine without waiting in line. We were in the process of deciding on a stand when police officers with their guns started clearing the market. They did it very professionally and without loudspeaker announcements. This prevented panic because a number of the people around us, especially young people, were immediately extremely excited, anxious and began to jostle. I saw fear of a terrorist attack on every face.
The evacuation was quick, no one opposed. My elation was completely gone and I felt my stomach cramp. The discomfort was exacerbated when black-helmeted motorcyclists dashed by at far too high a speed, followed by a sports car with camouflage paint and a howling engine.



The lightness of our being has been taken away from us

We pretend every day that our life goes on as normal. But our way of life has already been destroyed. The lightness of our being is taken away from us, our carelessness is gone. We can talk, laugh, enjoy, listen to music, play with our children, but we can no longer do anything carefree. Concrete bollards, security services at events, the insecurity of public spaces have become our everyday life. It will soon be forgotten that there was a time when women and children could move around without fear.
Our daily media shower tells us that we live in the safest Germany we have ever had, although terror and homicide have become a little more common. Because it is safer than ever, the politicians who got us into this move only with personal protection and in armored service limousines. A security ditch will soon be drawn around the Bundestag.
I can't stand these people anymore. I would like to curse them, like in the poem "The Silesian weavers".

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/gestern_abend_am_breitscheidplatz


Who is the author Vera Lengsfeld:
Vera Lengsfeld, born in Thuringia in 1952, is a politician and publicist. She was a civil rights activist and a member of the first freely elected People's Chamber of the GDR. From 1990 to 2005 she was a member of the German Bundestag, initially until 1996 for Alliance 90 / The Greens, and from 1996 for the CDU. Since then she has worked as a freelance writer. In 2008 she was honored with the Federal Cross of Merit on ribbon. - In Germany she now is beign demonised and defamed as a racist, right-winger, xeno- and islamophobe, anti.feminist etc etc etc. Different to all these big mouths today she belongs to a generation that indeed put somethign at risk when they went to the streets in the uprising GDR. She once described herseld as desillusionised and that the Germany of today is not the country that she once fought for.



I feel with her. I am so sick of this country as well. Its becoming sicker every day.

[Skybird]

https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Wiesenthal-rejects-effort-to-remove-German-UN-envoy-from-antisemitic-list-611326


I side with Israel on this. The German attitude towards Israel is one of double standards, and is best described by the words of some Jewish psychoanalyst who once said: "The Germans will never forgive the Jews the Holocaust." However, its the whole UN acting with doiublke standards toward sI(srael, you just have to compare the numbert of anti-Israeli resolutions and against Islamic terrorism int he world, or against Jews/Israel. It speaks volumes. The Un is being used as the biggest Muslim lobby organisation there is.


Israel cannot and never should trust the Europeans. And especially Sweden , Germany, France, the UK.

[STEED]

Israel cannot and never should trust the Labour party in the UK.

Sorted. :03:

[Catfish]

Nah, SBird always uses the broad shovel :03:

[...] Israel ... never should trust the Europeans. And especially Sweden , Germany, France, the UK.
Which Israel do you mean, the right wing Israel occupying territory and building settlements to create 'facts', or the moderate one trying to find a solution with the neighbours and citizens?

[Skybird]

I mean that one Israel that tries to survive in a region and world where everybody is against it and demands it to act to its self-deconstruction and self-denial. You know, its this law-and-order- and successful-economy- and civlised-standards- and only-regional-democracy- and give-phone-warnings-before-dropping-air bombs-on terrorists- thing, c'mon, you must have heard of it, these traits speaks volumes, they set it quite apart from all its neighbours.

[Catfish]

I heard of it, i also heard of the other side.
I am all for supporting Israel (Germany currenty does it b.t.w. taking part in BlueFlag 2019).
There was also some military hardware given to Israel, some for free, to help defending.
I am also of the opinion that Germany indeed has a historical reason to help, and care for that things like in Germany in those 12 years never happen again.
I am not of the opinion that wrongdoing should be left uncommented though.
Did you read LeCarrées "The little drummer girl" b.t.w.?

[Skybird]

No, I tried LeCarrée once, many years ago, but found it boring.

I do not base on Ger,an history for defenmding Israel, nor do I take a generlaised stand on Isarael. I see it as always: purely pragmatic. Two states will never work, was chnaceless to wever work like a Brexit with a dela ha dnever ahcnace to delouver areal Bexit into full sovereignty. Israel is the most advanced and civlised nation in the whole damn region, and before I accept another failed state named Palestine forming up, I support Israel as the best pragmatic option for the civilised future there is. Its not perfect - but it is by far a lead the best option there is.

My Germanness has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with it. i do not accept responsibility for events that came to an end a quarter of a century before I was even born.

The german policy on Israel is one of two faces. On the surface it claims to be supportive, but below that it voters tiem and again with the anti-Israeli lobby at the UN and tells Israel npotoriopusly to carry out policies that would destroy its national integrity form within. Always this damn, impertinently erected pointing finger of the Germans.The German thinkt hey are the blessed knights of the holy moral, and their mission is not the homework at home, no, their mission is burden to save the whole world.

As if anyone was ever waiting for them to show him the way.

Ask Broder on the German policy towards Israel, and Jews. He is right. The German self-perception of the German stand towards Jews and Israel, is maximum hypocritical. And I could not put it any better than he did, on many opportunities.

[Catfish]

^ Fair enough, but not my opinon.
Why do you say "two states will never work"? It is (not only my humble opinion) the only chance for the region in the long run. Even England promised a palestinian state for almost a century. England is one of the major causes for the situation there.
Where is your "failing palestinian state"? It does not exist, there is no state who ever had a chance to develop or build up anything.

You should read Mr Broder a bit more critical. It is certainly nice to fall for his rhetorics, as nice to read as it is (often) wrong. Broder presenting a view from another (right wing) angle is sometimes nice and oh so fashionable lately, but it does not wipe out others based on experience and history.

[Skybird]

Look at the regiuon, and at the Palestinian arabs, how they messed up again and again and again. And always raised their demands for all. Hamas, Hezbollah, doe snot really matter. The West wants Israel to accept "the right" for free entrance/full return. Now compoare the demograpohic numbers. And see how the population in the Palestinian territories went steep into the sky dpsaite their claim that their life is so miserbalwe that thjey cannot live. Next look at the demographic age- and gender compoisition of the society. Or check the war index list by Gunnar Heinsohn. Germany has an index of 0.65, Russia of 0.67, USA of 0.96, Israel of 1.87, Lebanon of 1.88 - and Palestine territories 5.45, Gaza even 6.00!!

https://think-beyondtheobvious.com/stelters-lektuere/aktueller-war-index-von-gunnar-heinsohn/

If you think you still do not know what happens if you smash a flask of nitroglycerin on the floor and must find out - here is your best chance. This stupid two-state-nonsense of the Eurpeans never had a chance to breathing, and it never will work. It will always go boooom . And that was set and craved into stone from beginning on of this nonsense idea. The Europeans. They are weak on the golobal stage, and still they are so very full of themselves.

On a side note: a book tip, its a very entertaining and exciting introduction and overview to the history of the modern state of Israel, narrated in form of a novel and thriller. An an interesting "biograohy" of Ariel Sharon.

https://www.amazon.de/Breaking-News-Hochkar%C3%A4ter-Frank-Sch%C3%A4tzing/dp/3596030641/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3 %91&keywords=breaking+news&qid=1577115753&sr=8-2

[Jimbuna]

Why England solely? The last I knew the United Kingdom was a union of four countries.

[Skybird]

Why England solely? The last I knew the United Kingdom was a union of four countries.
Dont read anything into it, its a German habit. We often talk of "England" but by that mean the whole of Great Britain. Its a careless habit of ours, but widespread. Its like that since - well, since "always". Even the propaganda in WWII talked and sung of "Eng-el-land" and "dem Engländer", where in fact all of the UK and all the British were meant by that.

[skidman]

Everyone who takes side with either Israel or the Arabs in the Palestine conflict is a ignorant moron. Period.

[Jimbuna]

Dont read anything into it, its a German habit. We often talk of "England" but by that mean the whole of Great Britain. Its a careless habit of ours, but widespread. Its like that since - well, since "always". Even the propaganda in WWII talked and sung of "Eng-el-land" and "dem Engländer", where in fact all of the UK and all the British were meant by that.

Danke :salute:

[Skybird]

Do the Greens really believe in climate doomsday?

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ortneronline.at%2Fglauben-die-gruenen-wirklich-an-die-klimakatastrophe%2F

[Skybird]

Schlimmer geht immer.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=R91CuZ04PAE&feature=emb_logo


Der PC-Faschismus marschiert! Kinder an die Front!


It is unclear at best whether the broadcaster, part of the state media, tried to be funny here, or meant it serious. But they earned a ****storm for it, and deleted it. It tells a lot about the Zeitgeiust over here that even if it was just meant as satire, many people see it not as satire anymore, but as threatening reality.

[Catfish]

Aufreger des Jahres eh? "Wie schaffen wir es eigentlich noch, morgens aufzustehen, ohne den eigenen Wecker wegen persönlichen Angriffs zu verklagen?" :03:

[Skybird]

Aufreger des Jahres eh? "Wie schaffen wir es eigentlich noch, morgens aufzustehen, ohne den eigenen Wecker wegen persönlichen Angriffs zu verklagen?" :03:
You would not be here and tell me that if this choir would have turned it into a brown Kampflied.

As I said above, the revealing fact is that many people were angry about the song and took it serious, because they live in a country that gives them all reason to believe it was meant serious. And the WDR director Mr. Burow just claims afterwards that it was not meant serious, after the sh!t had hit the fan. Proving it he did not. Doubts remain. And propagandistic brainwashing and political correct program design is a trademark of the ARD broadcasters. Not meaning to say that ZDFis any better.


Edit:
Just found this.
https://www.ortneronline.at/oma-die-alte-umweltsau/

Man stelle sich vor, ein Funktionär der AfD, oder der FPÖ hätte sich derart „satirisch“ mit illegalen Immigranten auseinandergesetzt. Ein veritables Verhetzungsverfahren gegen die Urheber wäre wohl noch vor dem Ende der Durchsage in Gang gesetzt worden. He is right.^
Lernen Sie Geschichte, Herrschaften!

[Skybird]

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/optimismus_ts/25375636/2-format1007.jpgby Der Tagesspiegel, Klaus Stuttmann.

[Skybird]

:damn: Since of today, no more BBC World program in the once again reshuffled TV channels list of our cable provider. :arrgh!: SD version is switched off, HD turned pay TV.

[Catfish]

Germany's CO2 emissions down by 35 percent in 2018 to the lowest point since 1970:
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/significant-drop-energy-use-pushes-down-german-emissions-2018
If we only could keep that trend :hmmm:

[ikalugin]

Germany's CO2 emissions down by 35 percent in 2018 to the lowest point since 1970:
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/significant-drop-energy-use-pushes-down-german-emissions-2018
If we only could keep that trend :hmmm:

I wonder how much would change, after all, is Germany a significant contributor to CO2 emissions?

[Catfish]

I wonder how much would change, after all, is Germany a significant contributor to CO2 emissions?
Not compared to e.g. Russia, China or the USA, but it develops new ideas and techniques.
Even China has to rethink its politics when it comes to smog in Beijing. Not that most care at all. Will be a hard awakening when we have to realize the "environment" is not only "around" people but we the latter are only a part of it, and will suffer with its deterioration.

If a country full of industry and high energy requirements can reduce emissions by a third it is a) a step in the right direction and b) no point to claim that "it is not possible". If the political framework and the people's will is there, there is a way. It is still too much pollution compared to Norway or Sweden, but they of course have more landscape and strong relief for turbines etc.. despite these given advantages they are already leading in other branches when it comes to sustainable management of energy and resources.

Remains to be seen if it really works out over time here.

[Skybird]

You forget to mention the serious amount of power we had to buy from our nuclear and coal-dirty neighbours because our own energy supply was not sufficient and the German situations and deliveries were threateningly destabilizing the whole continental powergrid. They cursed us all around, and the german high subsidies make this a non-competitive construction. And we have the by far highest electricity costs in the world.


With the planned explosion in costs for private households in the next 5 years, it starts to gecome really ruinius for the ordinary private milking cow.


Also, much of the CO2 not blown out by Germany -. now is being blown out by others sonewhere else. For less productivity, making their dirt "dirtier dirt". The German coal powerplants count to some of the most modern and - for coal standards - cleaniest in the world. And most of the saved CO2 emissions over here stem from saved electricity-production from coal.


Finally, there is currently sa fire going on on the other side of the pkanet. It blows out fine dusts and gas emissions comared to which the emssions of Europe over a whole year dwarfen. Adds some to the realstic relevance of the German prides. The Germans are willing to invest incredible fortunes for the smallest gains. Ten years ago or so it was the Pinatubo breaking out. Some party-pooper back then counted out on TV that within 4 or six weeks it had emitted more climate-relöevant gasses than the whole indistry of Eurpe and North America together and over one year.


All that money that the Germans are now wasting and that is beign brought up under insreasing econimic oressure by private households - is money not avialable when it comes to what it really is about: not commanding climate to reverse, but what it is about is ADAPTING to the new much warmer world.


Now they have forbidden not just pil heatings in private houses, but gas hetaings as well, and the costs for additional taxes private heaters must pay for gas and oil and gasline are planned to explode ever further from year to year to hilariosu and absolutely insane levels. Meanwhle, india and China alone build curently HUNDREDS of new coal powerplants.



Only stpids would take the germans as an exmaple. Once again the Germans are all alone with their belief that the world is just waiting for the Germans to show them the way.



So, Super-Uschi, and Germany: pull in that impertinently erected pointing finger. What gets celebrate dhere is just an insane waste of unbeleievable amounts of fisala resources for depressing small effects.


And without nuclear power, this whole energy turning thing can be forgotten anyway. We are not Sweden with is huge emoy places and large forests wehre they get 1.1 to 1.4 new trees for every tree they chop. We are not Austria or Switzerland with their huge potential for waterpower, German geography doe snot iffer that potential. Wind industry is heavily subsidized( and in deep existential troubles currently), so was and is the solar industry where Germany directly subsidized the solar industry of China which got the German competition (Until then the world market leader!) killed. . Subsidized industries are non-competititve industries, they are zombies that pull the whole economy down with them and are a burden to everybody.


https://think-again.org/co2-der-vergebliche-kampf/

Lassen Sie uns nun ein Thema analysieren, welches zwischen Politik und Physik, zwischen Mehrheit und Wahrheit angesiedelt ist: Global Warming (GW). Es stammt zwar aus USA, hat aber unser Land mit einer Unerbittlichkeit durchdrungen, wie sie nur in Deutschland zu finden ist.
Um die Welt zu retten, sind Politik und Wissenschaft eine Ehe eingegangen, die sehr schnell in Zwangsprostitution endete – für die Wissenschaft. Die Forscher dürfen jetzt nicht mehr ihrer wahren Neigung folgen und mit Lust und Liebe die reine Wahrheit suchen, sondern sie müssen liefern, was der Freier fordert. Und der möchte schreckliche Nachrichten, er braucht Sprengstoff, um die Welt in Angst und Abhängigkeit zu versetzen. Willkommen in der Welt der Klimaretter.

Vielleicht können Sie sich nicht vorstellen, dass scheinbar ehrenwerte, weltweit etablierte Organisationen wie Greenpeace, Sierra Club, WWF oder der Weltklimarat IPCC korrupt und unethisch sind. Aber schauen Sie einfach selbst: Schon bei ganz oberflächlicher Betrachtung wird der Schwindel sofort sichtbar. Als Temperaturmessungen durch Satelliten über achtzehn Jahre keine Erwärmung zeigten, da gab man dem Kind einen neuen Namen: aus Global Warming wurde Climate Change. Nachdem die ursprüngliche Bedrohung also ausgeblieben war, verkauft man jetzt deren vermeintliche Folgen.
Das IPCC verweigert sich jeglicher wissenschaftlichen Debatte, insbesondere, wenn seine düsteren Vorhersagen Jahr für Jahr daneben liegen. Die einzige Antwort: „97 Prozent aller Wissenschaftler unterstützen diese Ergebnisse“. Wie erwähnt ist Physik aber keine Sache der Mehrheit, sondern der Wahrheit. Als man Einstein vorhielt, dass hundert Wissenschaftler seine Theorie ablehnten antwortete er: „Warum so viele? Ein einziger, der mir meinen Fehler zeigt, würde genügen.“
Und außerdem: Wie objektiv sind besagte 97 Prozent? Stellen Sie sich vor, zwei Freunde diskutieren, ob es den lieben Gott gibt oder nicht. Als sie sich nicht einigen können fragt man die Experten. Und siehe da, 97 Prozent sagten „ja, es gibt ihn“. Man hatte alle Pfarrer, Bischöfe und sogar den Papst persönlich gefragt. Wenn die es nicht wissen, wer dann?
So liefern die linientreuen Wissenschaftler gehorsam die gewünschten, politisch opportunen „Ergebnisse“ an ihre Schutzpatronen. Die so gerüsteten mächtigsten Männer und Frauen der Welt treffen sich, um den Planeten zu retten und um sich gegenseitig in ihrer Betroffenheit zu überbieten. Ihnen, denen die Erde und ihre Temperatur angeblich mehr am Herzen liegen als alles andere, ihnen ist es in 25 Jahren nicht gelungen, die Konzentration des CO2-Moleküls in der Luft um ein paar lächerliche Millionstel zu senken.
Statt das Problem zu lösen, haben sie es zur neuen Religion erhoben, die das Vakuum füllt, welches vom schwindenden Christentum hinterlassen und vom gedeihenden Islam noch nicht besetzt worden ist.
Diese neuen Hohepriester profitieren ganz massiv von Furcht und Unwissenheit in der Bevölkerung. Man lebt sehr gut vom Geschäft mit Windmühlen und Solardächern, von internationalen Megakongressen, wo Gleichgesinnte sich gegenseitig lobend erwähnen, Medaillen umhängen, alternative Nobelpreise verleihen und gleichzeitig gründlich die eigenen Taschen füllen. Und auch wenn die Ergebnisse der 27.000 Experten in Madrid sehr mager waren, eines steht schon fest: der Ort für die nächste Konferenz: Glasgow.



And some illustrations on the popular concept of "Milchmädchenrehcnunbgen."
https://think-again.org/willkommen-bei-den-milchmadchen/

[Skybird]

I wonder how much would change, after all, is Germany a significant contributor to CO2 emissions?
No.

[Catfish]

So.. do we need more nuclear powerplants? New ones, of course.. burning the waste.. reducing plutonium decay to 300 years :hmmm:
Like the russian BN-800 reactor.. the predecessor has some manageable problems, the new one did not have any yet.

"Germany, on the other hand, is internationally isolated with its nuclear and coal phase-out. No other country dares to undertake such a risky and expensive experiment.
By building fast reactors, low-CO₂ energy would be available in abundance for thousands of years - not only for Germany, but also for the rapidly growing demand in emerging and developing countries. What are we waiting for?"

https://www.zeit.de/2019/41/kernkraftwerke-atomkraft-energiewende-atommuell

english via Google translate (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2019%2F41%2Fkernkraf twerke-atomkraft-energiewende-atommuell)

[ikalugin]

BREST is probably the way if you want fancy nuclear reactors, with on-site closed fuel cycle.

But BNs would work fine with classical PWRs (ie VVER1000/1200 etc), you would need separate reprocessing though.

[Skybird]

Madness getting more mad, this time in Vienna (once again).


https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gendersternchen-in-wien-sogar-beim-sprechen-ld.1533682?mktcid=smch&mktcval=twpost_2020-01-14


According rules are acitvely pushed for and turned into mandatory legislation by the EU.

[Catfish]

Police raids chinese offices

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-china-spies/germany-raids-offices-homes-of-suspected-china-spies-idUSKBN1ZE19F

[Skybird]

The psychopathologization of climate sceptics. Lets declare critical scientists and voices mentioning dogma-hurting data as mentally ill.



https://www.psychotherapeutenjournal.de/blaetterkatalog/PTJ-3-2019/23/index.html



https://www.achgut.com/artikel/psychotherapeutenkammer_klimaleugner_psychisch_kra nk






Lets criminalise, lets punish, lets lock climate sceptics away - for life!


https://www.achgut.com/artikel/verharmlosung_der_klimakatastrophe_muss_straftat_w erden




One can really start to be afraid to live in this place any longer, if this becomes true.

[Skybird]

I did not trust my eyes and had to read it twice to believe what I just had red:

one of the biggest plunderers, fraudsters and bank robbers of human history, Mario Draghi, will be awarded the German Bundesverdienstkreuz (Federal Cross of Merit). Its the highest civil decoration in Germany.

GDR 2.0 - its not just a mental asylum, but one where the leaders act with utmost contempt for those they lead and betray. And those being betrayed - doing nothing about it.

[Catfish]

"Bundesverdienstkreuz an Mario Draghi - wie zuvor an Merkel, Ratzinger oder Strauß"

Noch Fragen? :haha:

[Catfish]

^ capitalism as we know it sems to be at an end. The zero interest politics are dangerous, and it seems all are planning to get on with it :yeah:
:dead:

[Skybird]

Lets go digital, everything and everybody must become digital, digital is cool, digital is SAFE!

Another expample of why this lesson should be learned, but no doubt nobody will learn it and give so many reasons for why not learning it.

News is that the full database of the federal state of Berlin's Superior Court of Justice (Kammergericht) most likely has been stolen in a cyberattack.


Personal data of witnesses. ID's of informants, and police undercover agents. Process informations. Evidence. Files. Status of researches and examinations. Everything.


Digital, digital, lets go digital, di-gi-tal...

[Catfish]

Yesterday there was a report about what companies do with Whatsapp data alone, unbelievable. Millions of data only for one person, easily identifiable back to home, birth, location, diseases.. and all passwords.
We can of course be sure that all is being safely stored away. Here, and there, and in a million other places :haha:

[Skybird]

The tracking data (mobility tracking) of a smartphone of just several hours is needed to identify its owner as reliable as fingerprints. Via this data and IP-data storage, any person can be linked to datasets collected or logged in other contexts that were rendered anonymous initially and by intention, but the anonymity cna be reverse-engineered automatically and easily nowadays.


There is no data deletion, never.


There is no anonymity, ever.


Nothing gets ever forgotten, never.


All is permanent, forever.



Only a fool thinks this is harmless fopr he has nothking to hide. The most celver answert to this most stupid reaction was given by Snowden himself when comparing it to saying something stupoid like not caring for free speech because one does not have somethign to say.



Germany' health minister, Jens Spahn, tried to turn humans into state-owned organ banks from birth on, surprisingly was stopped in the Bundestag short of the finshing line. He next filed a law that threatens doctors with punishment if they do not hand over all patient records to business analysts for "research" projects. He claims it is save because the databse is protected (exlcuzding business comapony access...) and becasue it all is data in anonymous format. He also included in the law that pöatients hall have no right to object, and if they object, their esitence shall be ignored. Doctors' confidenmtilaity? Gone, killed and assassinated. Like bank confidentiality.


Why is it that we are haunted time and again by the most uscrupolous, incompetent idiots willing to maximse damages and leaving damage regulation and repair to others, and to their victims?


I think if people do not start to resist yb all means necessary, they will just get what they truly deserve. But I woujdl appraicte it if it would be delayed at least until I have died in some years. I have no desire at all to live in such a totalitarian world, and no own family to fear for.

[Skybird]

The history of German currencies (yes, plural, severla times). A neverneding drama of epic proportions.



https://www.focus.de/finanzen/boerse/experten/fuenf-akte-unzaehlige-waehrungen-alle-25-jahre-neues-geld-deutschlands-waehrungsgeschichte-ist-eine-tragoedie_id_11615954.html



Bestenfalls lässt sich der Einstieg in den Euro einer falschen Theorie zuschreiben – die da lautet: Frieden und Wohlstand in Europa lassen sich nur mit einem monopolisierten Einheitsgeld schaffen. Schlimmstenfalls ist der Einstieg in den Euro Ausdruck des Bestrebens, in Europa eine kollektivistische-sozialistische Befehls- und Zwangswirtschaft quasi durch die Hintertür einzuführen.

Leider ist der Verdacht für Letzteres geradezu erdrückend: Die Krisenträchtigkeit des Euro und die Krisenzwänge, die er verursacht, bewirken nämlich genau das. Seit dem Ausbruch der Finanz- und Wirtschaftskrise 2008/2009, spätestens aber seit der Banken- und -Staatsschuldenkrise 2010 liegt der Euro auf der Intensivstation. Die EZB und die „Rettungspolitiken“ der Regierungen schalten die Korrekturkräfte der Marktwirtschaft zusehends aus und ketten die Nationen immer enger aneinander – durch den Europäischen Stabilitätsmechanismus, die Target-2-Salden, die Bankenunion etc. – und erhöhen damit die Scheidungskosten.

Die Regierungseliten, die Bürokraten und der EZB-Rat werden früher oder später vorgeben, was wann wo und wie zu produzieren ist und wer was wann und in welcher Menge konsumieren kann. Man überspannt den rhetorischen Bogen wohl nicht, wenn man sagt, dass Karl Marx vermutlich begeistert wäre, könnte er den Euro und dessen Folgewirkungen sehen.

[Skybird]

A little earthquake in Thuringia:

Bodo Ramelow, a man of Die Linke, wanted to continue government after last elections by forming a left minority cabinet made of SPD, Die Linke and the Greens. For that he would have needed to be tolerated by opposition parties FDP, CDU, AfD. He lost round one and two, however. In round three of the voting for minister president, the FDP named a candidate, but since simple majority now would have suffice, it was expected that Ramelow now would win. Instead the FDP man was voted for, and the number imply that the AfD completely voted for him.

Thuringia now is governed by a FDP-CDU alliance that won by tolerance of the AfD, and that nobody wanted or expected - except the AfD. Its no official coalition, but the FDP-CDU alliance needs to be tolerated by the AfD - or the block of the three left parties.

Jubilation day for the AfD. Their political enemies are foaming, but must accept their help today. The AfD saw a gap between the scales of their enemy's armour - and immediately drove its poisonous sting into it deep.

[Skybird]

The political establishment in Germany shows an interesting, though by now not really unknown, understanding of what elections and democracy means: if you do not get the result that you wanted, nullify it.

The Landtagt in Thuriniga is abotu to be dissolved. the voted MP stepped back after massiove pressure form Merkel who once again had to accept total defeta of her wanted polticla "heritage", if one is not ashamed to call it a heritage, and there shall be new elections. A "dam break", they clal it, a brekaing of a taboo, the say.

Peter Grimm wrote this:

"
There was a dam break and a taboo break in Erfurt. But that was not on February 5, 2020, but on December 5, 2014. On this day, the Thuringian state parliament elected Bodo Ramelow as Prime Minister. It was the first time that the SED successor party had led a government since the end of the SED dictatorship. At that time, the SPD and the Greens had no intention of forming an unpopular coalition with the other undoubtedly democratic parties in order to prevent the left from marching to the top of the country. What the CDU, SPD and Greens in Saxony-Anhalt, Saxony and Brandenburg nowadays call as so-called Kenya coalitions to keep the AfD out of power was not taken into account with regard to the SED successors.

Of course Bodo Ramelow himself had nothing to do with the SED and also tried to appear more as a country father than as a comrade. However, this weakening of the boundary between undoubtedly democratic parties of all stripes and a party that was the bearer of a dictatorship and had no undoubtedly positive relationship with a liberal-democratic order was a breach of the dam or taboo. As a result, there was an election result in Thuringia last year in which, for the first time in democratic post-war Germany, the traditional democratic parties were together in the minority.
"

The SED-successors should be feared a smuch as the Natzi facxtion inside the AfD. Nevertheless, they practice dpouble standards once again when it comes to left and right extremism. The first is acceptable and en vogue, the latter is being blown out of proportions. Thurinigia February 2020 is not the only example for this left-leaning bias.

What do we learn from all this? Let people debate, endlessly. Le tthem vcote. Let them have their say. But only as long as they nevertehless at the end do what you demand them to do. If they do not, break the rules, ignore your own claism and laws, and sned them back to thei table until they neverthelss finally do what you demand them to do.

Interesting understanding of "democracy" and "elections" and "majority vote".

The last eleciton results in thuriniga were the reuslt of right this obscene perverting of dmeiocratric standards and the dissolving of potlicla meanings of any kind by the Merkel regime. The next elecitons in thurio9niga priomise to be even more nlightening. I stick to it: the rise of the AfD at this speed wou,l.d nto have been possible without Merkel's conspiratory political acting. By now, Merkel is a zombie, she has overlived her own political death. And I am more convinced than ever before that future historians will mark her as the worst political desaster in germany and Europe since 1933-45. Her destructive overall effect is hard to overestimate.

[Skybird]

Germany is taking course for early elections.


As a consequence of the Thuringia "incident", if it were that, CDU hopeful Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer (short AKK) announced she quits as head of the party.



Her "leadership", if it were that, was always overshadowed by her Holy Zombieness Angela the Great, and while she was handled as candidate for the chancelor's seat, she was not formally nominated. also, overwhelming majoritie sin the CDU and in the public rejected her. As defence ministress she is not one piec ebetter but is as bad as Super-Uschi was. As minister president she was a dud. Ergo: nobody will miss her.


Whoever follows her in summer: if he wants to not suffer the same fate, he must insist on chancellor candidacy and party bossing beign unite din bhis hand, and no longer accepting her undead grey eminence Angela I, to move around in the shadows behind the official stage. Its Merkeldämmerung. And that , means an early - and yet too late - end of the great coalition.



All ion all what we see is that after the SPF's flal now the other of the two former big popular parties, the CDU, is doj g the dive. The old political system seems to be dying. The Merkelian revolution eats its parents. The children it gave birth to, are the extreme left and extreme right, sinc eht emodewrate left ands rioght in the former middle has been dissoolved by Merkel completly ion her biod for power by running a principle-free policy of "Gleichschaltung" of CDU and SPD. We have had this kind of block parties in the GDR.



With SPD and CDU slowly dying, Greens, SED-Linke, and AfD as well as street yellers and overcharged kids take over the political scene. And the brownies crawl around in the background.



There were plenty of comparisons made in recent days with Weimar'S end. That cionparison doe snot work for many reaosns, its two different things, still the events in Thurnigia are the most obvious symptoms that an era is ending over her. Not that we shopuld want to cry for it, I still call Merkel the worst political disaster in Europe and Germany since 1933 and the twelve dark years after that. Its just that what is coming now gives no reason to raise hopes for improvement.


The divisions within the former "West" are deepening. The polarization everywhere leads to growing extremism and fanaticism. Which prevents overcoming the growing divisions. A vicous circle. As I see it it all is set to break apart, and the growing demamage will raise increaisng determination to use force, whatever may be needed, to keep things together with iron fists. This way, whatever will be done on behalf of what is claimed "good", will achieve right the opposite.

[Skybird]

Circles closing? At least the language of the past is back today. The following letter was mass-distrubuted by the SED party in 1946, they sent it to former members of the NSDAP.



SOCIALIST UNIT PARTY OF GERMANY
KREISVERBAND SONNEBERG


Nominal Pg.,

the SED calls you
to help rebuild Germany!

It will call you if you once went to the NSDAP not out of material selfish reasons, but out of conviction and idealism, when you went there believing in the good and to find socialism. Then come to us!


Because what Hitler promised you and never kept, the SED will give you:

Nationalization of banks, breakdown of interest bondage, destruction of corporations and trusts, abolition of educational privileges, equal rights for all workers, land reform, protection of peaceful development and peace in general,

The SED made it happen!

If you followed Hitler to serve Germany, you are our man. Because the SED. is the only party that consistently campaigns for a united and large Germany, for a Germany of peace and work.

Do you want to help build one,
so choose list 1!

SED.
KREISVERBAND SONNEBERG
Klaus Bunzel
https://www.jugendopposition.de/node/149301?guid=4970


Found on an education website by the federal edcuation ministry about the youth opposition to the GDR tyranny.


Sounds not different to what makes the round today again.

[Skybird]

On the political party named "Die Linke". It is neither a new party, nor a newly founded party that was build from scratch, but is the formal and official legal successor of the SED. The SEd chnage dits name into PDS, then chnaged its name into Die Linke. Its the same party still, and is infested from top to bottom with former SED and Stasi names.


Still, more and more it gets respected again, although it never has done anything to distance itself from the dicatorship and the deeds of evil in the DR, and today maintains ties and relations to quesitobable, soemtime cirminals ocialist reigmes across the globe, especially Chavez' Venezuela. The crimes of the GDR regime get marginalised until today.


In plain German: they are scum.


https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.die-tagespost.de%2Fpolitik%2Faktuell%2FLinke-in-Thueringen-Vorsicht%3Bart315%2C202618

[Catfish]

For me, "Die Linke" was and is nothing much else than the old "SED". Even if i like part of their ideas at times i think one cannot vote for them.

[Catfish]

Gunman kills nine in German shisha bar rampage; extremist motive suspected

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-shooting/gunman-kills-nine-in-german-shisha-bar-rampage-extremist-motive-suspected-idUSKBN20D2VG

[Skybird]

Apparently there are people who are even angrier than me. :doh:

[Onkel Neal]

Gunman kills nine in German shisha bar rampage; extremist motive suspected

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-shooting/gunman-kills-nine-in-german-shisha-bar-rampage-extremist-motive-suspected-idUSKBN20D2VG

More gun control needed.

[Skybird]

More gun control needed.
Cant get much tighter over here than it already is - not without banning any private owning of weapons alltogether, which the usual suspects indeed want.



The killer indeed seems to have been a quite mentally ill nuthead. i do not repeat this "diagnosis" by official statements, but I conclude it on grounds of some details they released on his world view, his conspiration theories, dark powers haunting him, secret services controlling his life since he was a baby, massive paranoia, and so on. In a psychologist, this brings all lamps to blinking mode. His racist views just fall into a place in the greater view of his derranged psyche.



This was not the classical assaulter "by conviction", or just a realistic political extremist from the right. It was a mentally derranged person indeed. Insane, maybe reaching into the realm of schizophrenia, some of the described details could be seen as symptoms for it.



Thats how it looks to me by what is currently known and released.

[Jimbuna]

The investigation into a deadly gun attack in Hanau is focusing on whether others knew about or helped organise it, Germany's federal prosecutor says.

The suspect shot dead nine people "of migrant background" at two shisha bars on Wednesday evening. He and his mother were later found dead in his flat.

Peter Frank said material the suspect Tobias R had posted online showed a "deeply racist mindset".

He had also been influenced by conspiracy theories, Mr Frank said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51577196

[Skybird]

They want to make this a right-winbg extremist crime, Nazi terror, ands at quite any cost they want to make it so. I say the guy was most likely a psychopath. I give it a 9:1 probability. He shoudk have been locked away in the closed high security wing of an asylum. Psychopathic personality structures cannot be cured, you can only protect the public - by locking the madman away in a specilaised hospital from where there is no escape. Psychopathy plus paranoia, signs of schizophrenia, both maybe episodic, god-syndrome and megalomania.

[Skybird]

Today this article was released, by a neuro-psychologist, psychiatrist and neurologist (yes, that are three diffrent branches). He concludes the same like I did. To be clear, neither me nor him try to excuse or minimise the deed. We just see the context of the generla behaviour and symptoms the man showed and that indicate clearly that this was not what the media make it appear as: a purely Nazi-motivated crime like the assassinations by the NSU.


https://www.achgut.com/artikel/der_taeter_von_hanau_eine_diagnose



Its quite alienating how often and easily the media describe unwanted opinions and views as psychologically derranged, and in other cases, when it is opportune, almost hide the background of a mental illness or deranged personality structure just to focus exclusively on apparent ideological motivations and political convictions.

It makes no sense to describe this crime as a political terror act. When you suffer from mental delusions, hear voices and show symptoms of schizophrenia and paranoia combined with a psychopathic personality structure, then it makes no sense to reduce your crime to a deed of merely poltical terror.

[Skybird]

No comment.



A month ago, a letter from the Hanau assassin to the Attorney General was classified as non-racist, yesterday it was "deeply racist". German authorities, this is not obvious for just the first time, are one thing not: independent.

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 4:00 p.m. I read on BR24: »According to Attorney General Peter Frank, the gunman had a" deeply racist outlook ". This emerges from the video messages and "a kind of manifest" on the man's homepage. «

Today, on February 21st, 2020 at 12:09 pm I read on t-online.de: »The alleged terrorist from Hanau addressed a letter to the Federal Attorney General months ago. It is largely identical to his letter of confession. Now the authority confirms receipt ... But the letter contained no right-wing extremist or racist statements and no investigation was started because of the letter. «

https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/vor-monaten-galt-ein-schreiben-an-den-generalbundesanwalt-als-nicht-rassistisch/


No shame at all there. If it serves the propaganda and ideological agenda: anything goes.

[Skybird]

Federal state elections in Hamburg. The current "honest" voting result that also calculates non-voters into the score:
https://www.welt.de/img/politik/deutschland/mobile206083243/5402503407-ci102l-w1024/DW-IP-BGW-HH-ehrlich.jpg
Historical low for CDU, FDP still not sure whether they made it over the 5%-hurdle. AfD is out. Green and red socialist with overwhelming majority.

It becomes more and more obvious how completely eroded the CDU is being left behind by Merkel. She has consumed everything that was in it, and now it is just a hollow corpus. Not Angela but Vampirella Merkel would be a fitting name.

Two weeks ago there were bids for the first time ever that Merkel must run for a fifth term. I do not believe it will get this far, but that this was raised by CDU members shows how desperate they are due to their infinite supply with zeroes for their top chairs. Their candidates for the chancellor's office are only jokes on legs, nothing more.

[Skybird]

The jubilations for the AFD missing the 5% hurlde, were premature. Now with the counting ended, the have 5.3% and in to9tla hgave not oost votes. That they are slioghtoly weaker than last time is only becasue while keeping their totla numbers, the overall turnout was slightly higher. FDP also is in.


Does not change that there is a knocking-out majority for Red-Green. There even is a one-seat majority for a SPD-SED coaltion, though that is not comfortable.

[Jimbuna]

A car has been driven into a crowd at a carnival parade in the western German town of Volkmarsen.

Police said about 30 people, including children, were injured, some seriously.

A 29-year-old German citizen was arrested on suspicion of attempted homicide. Officials said a motive was currently unclear.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51619353

Doesn't appear to be terrorism related.

[Skybird]

Last thing I heard was that the driver was drunk. How well I know this kind of dirt bags.



Recently a racer was sentenced over here - for MURDER
Same should be applied to drunk drivers. I am absolutely unforgiving on this, for personal reasons. A man fully responsible for how much he drinks. And for whether or not he took precautionary measures. No excuses accepted.

[Jimbuna]

^ On that we are both in full agreement. I have seen the resulting carnage on more occasions than I care to remember.

[Skybird]

They now say the driver was not at all under influene of alcohol. Motive is unclear, but he is already known to the police, though more for violent behaviour, not for ideological extremism.



Drugs involved, maybe...?

[Skybird]

Want to do some sightseeing in Germany? These videos are very good. The auhtor doe slike i do on bicycle, just that he walks. Various cities and towns in Southern germany, severla places, at pedestrian'S speed. I recommend to increase Yutuube playing speed to 2x in options, it works very well with these films.



https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1kpX2gO6o_ivIVJRIvf7JGqzdJ5S-7AR


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKo1n-_sZdg&list=PL1kpX2gO6o_ivIVJRIvf7JGqzdJ5S-7AR&index=2&t=0s

[Moonlight]

Just a couple of things I'd like to suggest, first, they really need a Foam Windscreen for that microphone :o and second, in England that path he went up would be classed as dangerous.
Me thinks any murderers will have found the perfect spot to do their nasty deed, their defence would be no witnesses and they tripped and fell over the edge of the hillside. The perfect alibi I'd say, on that note, would any of you chaps like to go for a walk and take in that lovely scenery, I'll pay for your travel back home, that's if you survive it. :haha:

[Skybird]

What looms ahead for Germany. Not nice.

http://translate.google.com/translat..._11762875.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Fgesundheit%2Farzt-klinik%2Fkommentar-zu-sars-cov-2-pandemie-coronavirus-deutschen-intensivstationen-droht-der-kollaps_id_11762875.html)

[Catfish]

Germany bans far-right group, raids leaders' homes (Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-farright-crackdown/germany-bans-far-right-group-raids-leaders-homes-idUSKBN21616Q

[Skybird]

https://peymani.de/deutsche-grenzschliessungen-das-politbuero-entmachtet-die-staatsratsvorsitzende/




They watched for a long time. The members of the central committee clung to power. They feared too much for the loss of their posts and privileges that they would have dared to refuse to obey the President of the State Council. Those who did so were chilled or swore never to go against the Central Committee's statements again. But now the ZK members have lost their patience. Unlike in 1989, this time it was not the fear of their own population that forced them to act, but the fear of a virus threatening to get out of control. Angela Merkel is disempowered - that's clear since Sunday at the latest. She was submerged for weeks, and even at the press meeting of the chairman of the prime ministerial conference, Markus Söder, she only served as a staffage. She had nothing more to say, in the proverbial sense. Until recently, Merkel had blocked the closure of the German borders. In her delusion that she had to go down in history as an "open border hero", she persistently refused to acknowledge the realities that were created across Europe. Everywhere you brave the corona pandemic, everywhere governments act with the greatest determination - only Germany has stuck to its dangerous lurching course until now, which has now completely unsettled citizens. Merkel's policy of sitting out is at an end. The GDR politician, who does not take her own line and prefers to wait and see what the published opinion dictates, faces the shards of her opportunistic work.

For the first time, the wealthy, neglected "snowflake generation" learns that there are real dangers in addition to their imagined ones.

The Corona crisis will change the country forever. A lot will be put to the test in the coming months. This is both an opportunity and a risk. In addition to better preparation for future epedemics, the question of equipment and remuneration in the health sector will not only be raised anew in Germany, but especially in other European countries. Likewise, the risk of disease introduction will affect political decisions even after the pandemic has been overcome. And not only that: people who have lived through the experience of an existential threat are likely to be a little more skeptical about the decadent self-employment of the political and media caste and its constructed horror scenarios. And for the first time in their lives, the neglected "Generation Snowflake" is directly confronted with the fact that there are real dangers in addition to their imagined ones. There is hope that those who have learned about real threats are less susceptible to doomsday prophets. On the other hand, calls for a European state will become louder. The Brussels power apparatus will make every effort to use the pandemic so that the individual member states have less to say. In addition, the economic consequences will exceed those of the financial crisis. A recession can no longer be avoided, since most economies were already faced with a profound downturn before the outbreak. Many financial assets will be revalued and bubbles will burst.

Merkel & Co. could only live out their fetish because they surfed on an artificially generated wave of growth at the expense of future generations.

The huge government aid packages that are now being tied up everywhere are of course not without consequences for taxpayers. Distribution struggles that reach into the middle class, as well as the rebellion of the decreasing number of those who are mainly used to finance government deficits, are mapped out. What this means for an already deeply divided society does not need to be explained further. For the army of welcome fanatics, troubled times begin: How do you want to convey to a population that you will continue to take people into a sinking boat? Where should solidarity with strangers come from when more and more citizens stand up to the water themselves? Merkel & Co. could only live out their fetish because they were surfing on an artificial growth wave that had been created at the expense of future generations. This wave suddenly subsides. The crisis clearly shows one thing: The regime of the politically correct world savers, who undermined an overripe democracy and who increasingly shamelessly exploited the privileges of the party state created in the course of the reconstruction after the Second World War, has failed. They have led powerful states into the economic abyss and destabilized strong societies. The corona pandemic mercilessly discloses this.


However, it should not obscure our view that every crisis has an opportunity. Where the traditional is no longer suitable, new ideas arise. Or, to say it with Friedrich Hölderlin: "But where there is danger, the saving also grows." Stay healthy!

[Catfish]

^ sigh. The new far right with the usual diatribe. Author at the Kopp publishing company. Seems some have waited for their chance.
You would not believe that Hitler was voted to power by Nazis?

Please do not believe that Germany as a whole believes the nonsense Skybird quotes.

[mapuc]

You would not believe that Hitler was voted to power by Nazis?


From my history reading and watching history program and have talked to an elderly German male.

I have come to the conclusion:

He got votes from ordinary German's who saw him as their saviour. They were in despair.

Well it's more to it than that.

Markus

[Skybird]

According to recent OECD numbers, Germany has topped Belgium as the nation with the highest tax and contribution rate globally, making Germany now the number one in the world. Hooray! Nowhere else you have to pay so much in taxes and distributions, than in Germany.

In Germany you also have to pay the highest prices for electricty in the whole Western world. Most other countries are much cheaper. Thanks to the wanted design of the system, the more renewable energy gets produced on a day by wind and sun, the more the household customer has to pay - not less.

Funny people, these Germans. And they cannot get enough of it!

[Skybird]

Germany finally - FINALLY - bans Hezbollah activities in Germany. The step is many years overdue, imo.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-government-bans-hezbollah-interior-ministry/a-53287126

[Jimbuna]

Germany finally - FINALLY - bans Hezbollah activities in Germany. The step is many years overdue, imo.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-government-bans-hezbollah-interior-ministry/a-53287126

UNBELIEVABLE!! :o

[Skybird]

Top German court says ECB bond buying scheme partially contravenes the law

https://www.dw.com/en/top-german-court-says-ecb-bond-buying-scheme-partially-contravenes-the-law/a-53333374

Unfortunately - and intentionally - they waited so long that facts got created and nobodfy seriously thinks the ECB will now stop buying and financing states (which by the joke of Maastrict is forbidden). Financing and maintaining states has become the main purpose of the ECB.

It also is not to be expected that the german govenrment or the German Bundesbank will start to confront the ECB.

Nothing will change.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809

Other nations's flags - okay, so be it.

But the EU flag...? Serious...? Its not a state (or so they say)...!

Sounds to me as if the narcissistic scum in Brussel wants to make itself even more untouchable. They also wanted to make any criticism of EU policies and actions a punishable crime if the criticism was not laid out before a EU gremium ruling it to be valid criticism first. While this ambition seems to have gotten stuck since longer time, it never was formally withdrawn.

Recently the German Constitutional High Court ruled that certain decisions of the European High Court were not understandable and demanded the European court to explain its legal basis by which it excuses de facto state financing by the ECB (forbidden by the jokes of Maastricht) more thoroughly. The European court quickly started to try mobbing the German court, demanding unconditional subordination in every caseof current or future legal dispute (which by the present status simply is not commandable by the treaties and laws regulating the EU court, while fact is that there are limits to the European court's demands for sure and that all states reserved certain rights for themselves on which the Euroean court has no word: its power to demand national high courts to obey, has limits (that it ignores withiout legal basis for this). The EU commission'S Super-Uschi immediately came to the court's rescue and threatens to start legal proceedings against germany if it sticks to these laws and does not call the German Hogh court back.

A special kind of coup d'etat is what the EU is trying, since years, against everybody. To hell with it.

The president of the German court meanhwile has struck back at the EU, reiterating what the ruling means (surprisingly little), and that the EU is once again in danger to overstep its mandate. He gave no room to it. But German politicians already started to pave the way for later signalling surrender without being called out for it than. Like the Germans most of the times do: first posing as being resistent, and later, when grass has grown over things, silently falling back. I think some time in the future the Bundestag will release new legislation that cuts back the German courts powers and in fact makes it a EU subordinate. We should dismantle it then and the whole bundestag, they are of no use for anything then.

Europeans, resist the EU. There is no EU people, there is no EU as a country or state, and there is no EU unifomrity. von der Leyens claim that the eU must protect itself as a sovereign only shows where she wants to move - but where the EU (still) is not: its not a sovereign. And this itches Brussel's monumental, totalitarian ego.

One thing is certain: the German flag law is a great day for the AfD. They will win many new followers with this nonsense. Maybe they would not have problems with a ban on burnign national flags of anybody. But the EU flag - that is somethign that will get them new fans.

[Skybird]

Oh those Germans.


https://www.dw.com/en/german-intelligence-cant-spy-on-foreigners-outside-germany/a-53492342


Hopeless.


"Wollt ihr die TOTALE Moral?"


"Jaaaaaaaaahhh...!!!"

[August]

92% of left-wing activists live with their parents and one in three is unemployed, study of Berlin protesters finds

The vast majority of left-wing protesters arrested on suspicion of politically-fuelled offences in Berlin (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/berlin/index.html) are young men who live with their parents, a new report found.
The figures, which were published in daily newspaper Bild (http://m.bild.de/regional/berlin/linksextremismus/92-prozent-der-berliner-linksradikalen-wohnen-noch-bei-mutti-44249918.bildMobile.html#fromWall) revealed that 873 suspects were investigated by authorities between 2003 and 2013.
Of these 84 per cent were men, and 72 per cent were aged between 18 and 29.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4200272/92-Berlin-left-wing-activists-live-parents.html?fbclid=IwAR1scegte5L3Ix79qarOjnMuZnBr jwOoTOt2I3wqyEZYWMpMmkHBrJ5GKJo




Answers a lot of questions....

[Skybird]

On one of the most megalomaniac idiocies of contemporary German politics: the so-called "energy transition". My blood is boiling over when thinking on what the politcal freaks are doing there.


The energy transition has a weak point. This has been found out by a commission of experts set up by the government. How now, the energy transition and a weak point? That can't be, after all, Germany is a pioneer and Minister Altmaier says: "The whole world is emulating us", a single success story. And Professor Claudi Kemfert has even scientifically confirmed this. And now a non-existent "weak point" should disappear?

So far, electricity customers and taxpayers have invested roughly half a trillion euros (500,000,000,000 euros) in the energy transition. Every German, from babies to old people, has been forced to pay over 6,000 euros for the energy transition in recent years. And now experts appointed by the federal government are finding that the government's measures are "too small, short-term and not interlinked", which "stands in the way of a cost-effective climate policy". Too good German: The energy turnaround is one bog. But the money is gone, now others have it.

Anyone who has criticized the botched energy policy has been a climate denier and was diagnosed as mentally ill. Other critics were labeled as energy haters and were AFD-nah-zi. The specifications for the energy transition ultimately came from “experts”. Renowned members of nature conservation groups, BUND, Greenpeace, Potsdam's "climate researchers", eco experts, wind and solar lobbyists and church representatives sat on the commissions appointed by the Federal Government. The créme de la créme of the German environmental lobby - a prankster who thinks of intention.

The problem of Merkel's commissionitis was actually not the result, the problem was the selection of the commission members and their tasks. New German means something like: "**** in - **** out". Consequently, the nuclear energy exit came out with a simultaneous coal exit. But the government is happy, now that it’s going wrong, it’s fine. She has outsourced responsibility for her political botch to commissions at the expense of the citizens. This is a typical “Merkel number”: Now it just happened. Can happen.

The Federal Government's experts from the "independent commission of experts for monitoring the energy transition" now recommend that the tiresome EEG and CHP levy be completely removed and the electricity tax halved. To finance the energy turnaround, around 25 billion euros per year from the EEG and CHP surcharges and 6.7 billion euros from electricity tax were lost - readers finally know where their money is going.

The experts of the federal government would not be experts of the federal government if they would not recommend the government a hefty CO2 tax increase of 50 euros per tonne of CO2, which should apply wherever fossil fuels are used: from the power plant to the Petrol station to the heating system, actually to the breakfast roll.

But that's not enough to plug the eternal hole in the state's energy transition. For this reason, taxpayers' money should be used in a “transition period” to fill the financing gaps in order to continue to fill the pockets of eco-winners and to relieve electricity customers.

When I hear "Relieve electricity customers", all warning lamps come on. The federal experts say: "With a little driver with efficient heating" the bottom line is still 30 euros relief. That's something, Hosanna! However, for the de-tied citizens who are not "little drivers" but commuters and the tenants who cannot afford "efficient heating", this means nothing more than additional costs: right pocket, left pocket, even more energy rip-off. Because taxpayers or electricity customers are usually the same people.

The journalist Daniel Wetzel, whom I highly value, issued a devastating testimony to the Federal Government's Welt-Online: "The citizen pays for political irresponsibility". There is nothing to add. The energy turnaround, however, continues to advance as long as the number Michel can put up with it. What does the Corona economic crisis bother us - we simply rename crises as "challenges".

Manfred Haferburg


The author is nuclear physicist, was thrown into a Stasi prison in the GDR for singing protest songs, and after reunification worked as inspector of nuclear powerplants internationally. He fled from Germany after needing to witness the SED renaming itself into PDS and getting away with it.

And the following is the comment by Daniel Wetzel whom he referred to in the last paragraph, released in Die Welt, 3 days ago.


A current report underlines that the German coal phase-out was far too expensive. Instead, the market forces should have been allowed to take effect. Chancellor Merkel's tactics once again prove irresponsible.

Almost everything that has a place in climate protection was represented in the coal commission of the federal government: members of Naturschutzring, BUND and Greenpeace sat next to Potsdam's climate researchers, eco-experts, green electricity lobbyists and "representatives of the affected" from the open-cast regions. In the end, the letter of recommendation from the coal commission bore the signatures of almost the entire German environmental lobby. Such a concentrated eco-competence must have got the best possible out of climate protection?

An assumption that refers to a new scientific report in the realm of fairy tales. In its current commentary, the independent commission of experts on monitoring the energy transition does not leave the German coal phase-out in good stead. All the market interventions and compensation payments are superfluous, overpriced, counterproductive.

The phase-out of coal would become reality much earlier, and the costs for taxpayers would be much lower if you had simply let the European emissions trading scheme, i.e. the market, do the work. "Reworking" is the recommendation of the monitoring commission on the coal phase-out law in diplomatic restraint. The content of their analysis would also allow a more drastic formulation: Into the bin!

It is not surprising that the ecological left, which is so strongly represented in the coal commission, can only think in terms of state interventionism and does not trust market-based solutions. The error chain starts earlier in the system.

It is the clients of the coal commission in the ministries, the civil servants of environmental and energy politicians who gave the wrong job: to develop options for intervention instead of letting market forces work. Bad advice that is now becoming expensive for taxpayers and energy consumers.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's easy tactic of outsourcing the solution of difficult conflicts of interest to "society-wide consensus" to commissions has once again proven to be irresponsible.

[iambecomelife]

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/04/germany-far-right-holocaust-education-survivors/586357/

“Our culture of remembrance is crumbling,” Foreign Minister Heiko Maas wrote in January in the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag. “Right-wing populist provocateurs diminish the Holocaust, knowing that such a breach of taboo will garner maximum attention.”

They also point out that many camp survivors have died or become too infirm to continue speaking tours. Tragically, this comes just as German nationalists are trying to minimize historical events ... either through "scholarship" or inflamatory rhetoric.

[Catfish]

^ yes, and it all has been fuelled by alleged perpetrations from outside, immigrants, Corona virus, all things bad must of course come from the bloody foreigners.. perfect time to claim that the past has to be forgotten, or to try to build up a concocted history like "it was not all that bad". Foreigners, you know.. it is all perpetrated to us by others, by the EU, we lost our sovereignty to the US, to the EU, to whatever.. but never is it our own guilt. Let's blame others.
Sounds familiar to anyone?
At least the jewish world conspiracy is not on the table right now, but just wait a bit.

I take it that the german antifa movement (founded here) is a reaction to not forget those things, since the right wing is getting stronger in Germany since a decade. The german "antifa" demonstrates a lot, but no looting or criminal action. They are often confused with the "black block" often joining demonstrations and trying to escalate, being responsibe for criminal action.
Trump seems to prove the german AfD and right-wing organisations right, it is now possible to change to a governmental right wing course and US "conservative" (lmao) media support it, as do China and Russia with their "strong leaders." And the maybe overblown critics of the US here are just a helpless try to prevent happening the same - here.

I write "maybe overblown" because even if things seem dark in the US the whole past and basic foundation of, and in, the US will most probably not lead to a situation like here back then in the 1930ies. The tradition, basic understanding and ideas are basically some of freedom and civil rights that are self-evident to every US citizen.
This is still different here, and all that are not right-wing of course fear the situation to escalate.

Or i could just say the article posted above is just the work of the loony left, to discredit the right wing. Some would.

edit: oops sorry, i thought this was a serious post, but it just seems an extension oft the closed thread and blame Germany because it DARES to criticize TRUMP, or the US, or the RIGHT WING. Welcome to my ignore list.
I will still let it stand.

[iambecomelife]

"i thought this was a serious post"

I certainly think it's serious. Lack of self-critique, hate for "the other", distorting history, and demonizing of political opponents is exactly what led to extremism in the 20th Century.

[Jimbuna]

I must say I'm rather disappointed in the creation of this thread if my initial suspicion that this is a retaliatory response to what has recently been hotly debated in the US Politics thread turns out to be correct.

https://i.postimg.cc/ry3BCpnV/adminwatch-2.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[Skybird]

Hot nights, summer in the city...


https://www.dw.com/en/germany-riots-and-looting-grip-stuttgart/a-53886746


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53126464


The riots come just days after the Bundesverfassungsschutz warned that the readiness of the left to use even lethal force against police and representatives of the state and establishment has reached a new height and is comparable to what there was during the RAF years. Says not me - but says the Bundesverfassungsschutz.

[Dowly]

This is better suited for the GER politics thread:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=229749

[skidman]

Sure, the left. Because Skybird's crystal ball says so? Almost as profound as the AFD spokesman who blamed the left and (of course) the migrants. One-dimensional BS.

[Catfish]

There just was a press conference, lots of young hooligans entering the city first time since months for the weekend, all discos and entertainment facilities closed etc., so seems they took to scrapping and rampaging. Obviously not politically motivated and very dumb and aggressive.

The right wing accuses the left wing, the good old conservatives have an axe to grind with all they perceive as "left" and the '68 hippie movement, so it must be the evil "left" with "their guns and bombs", and another political world view.
But as they sing in a german song "Wo sind all die Linksradikalen mit dem Schießgewehr?"

The german "Verfassungsschutz" by the way has been founded by the US OSS, to only observe and control the german left wing and fight upcoming communist tendencies after the war. They still have their own right-wing agenda, lots of scandals with nazis after WW2 in highest positions, and even assassinations while blaming "the left". No one with a clear mind would trust them.

[Skybird]

It was the police in stuttgart talking of the "event scene" being responsible for the riots, and that scene traditonally is traditionally left-leaning, "progressive", anarchistic and anything but right-winged or conservative.

It was the Bundesverfassungsschutz saying the left is now ready to accept the death of people that get caught in their violent riots and the death of policemen and medics, firefighters, and even wills targetted killings of political "enemies" as they define them, which in plain german means: murder.

I just reported what the police and the BVS said. But maybe you just do not like them saying that. These days, only violence by the right is acceptable to be talked of. Violence from the left and the right has always been judged by double standards in Germany.

[iambecomelife]

I must say I'm rather disappointed in the creation of this thread if my initial suspicion that this is a retaliatory response to what has recently been hotly debated in the US Politics thread turns out to be correct.

https://i.postimg.cc/ry3BCpnV/adminwatch-2.gif (https://postimages.org/)

Um, racially I belong to two of the groups that the Germans wanted to exterminate, so this is kind of important to me (granted, much less Jewish ancestry than African, but it is there). And I've been researching this topic for some years, having read both "Ordinary Men" and "Hitler's Willing Executioners". So my interest predates the dust-up on the forums. By more than a decade. I have made several internet posts on this issue outside of Subsim….I usually do an annual tribute to Anne Frank because she and I share the same birthday (Sailor Steve, who knows me outside the forums, can vouch for me).

And before anyone talks about me badmouthing Germans, I am an opponent of Goldhagen's school of thought (Hitler's Willing Executioners) because I believe the book seems to malign Germans as uniquely evil, while not adequately explaining why so many European Christians in the occupied territories collaborated with the Nazis.

I'll thank you in advance for your understanding, Jimbuna.

[mapuc]

From personal experience I know that friends some times have difficult to believe what one have poste. The best thing is therefore to provide a video clip of the event(s)

Finding such a clip is sometimes impossible.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

So should we merge with the German Politics thread as previously suggested by Dowly?

[August]

Let's blame others.
Sounds familiar to anyone?


Definitely. You and your lefty friends play that game all the time.

[Catfish]

Good that you and your righty friends never play that game.

[mapuc]

Both side play that game.

See it almost daily where my friends claim they belong to the correct side, saying they are peaceful and an understanding group -while they point fingers at the other side, claiming they are violent and are detriment of the country.

And both side would - prevent people or politicians from the opposite side to speak

Markus