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Skybird
09-10-24, 03:44 PM
Really?
Really.
I dispise them all this unconditionally not for no reason.
Skybird
09-11-24, 07:28 AM
https://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/w1240/aktuell/1278579652/1.9977103/original_aspect_ratio/zwischen-innerer-neustadt-und.jpg
Germany's eroding infrastructure... Tonight at around 3 a.m., in Dresden the train tracks-carrying part of the Carola Bridge, spanning over the river Elbe, has just collapsed over a length of 100m. The last train had just passed 18 minutes before.
If they would not have had the time to stop the next train arriving, we would now talk about a major disaster with dozens dead, if not worse. The tracks were used both by national train traffic and local tram.
The bridge consits of three separate lanes, the two other had just been renovated last year. The part that now collapsed was up for repairs next year.
Several thousand bridges in Germany are registered as heavily eroded and in need to urgently get repaired or replaced, investments into this sector however cover just a microscopic fraction of the needed costs. Instead, ever more money gets wasted for buldiung ever new streets and Autobahnen instead of repairing and managing the eroding existing ones. That is in itself of course recipe for disaster. And after WW2, Germany saw a construcition boom and rebuilding of the country that made sure that plenty of stuff was build within very short time and practically at the same time, so that all these structures now simultaneously reach the end of their lifetime.
We will see the same suicidal effect regarding the many windmills and solar panels that currently get build everywhere and again practically all at the same time. They will reach the end of their lifetime all at more or less the same time, in 15-20 years. And we will have even smaller work forces then, not to mention: engineers.
Thats the difference between evolutionary, natural growth and revolutinary, explosive push.
Shadowblade
09-11-24, 11:49 AM
it seems that they dont care until bridges start collapsing
Jimbuna
09-11-24, 12:30 PM
it seems that they dont care until bridges start collapsing
Same attitude as in the last war :O:
Shadowblade
09-11-24, 12:57 PM
well, we have about 90 bridges in emergency state and 800 in very bad state here, so maintenance is not good here as well
Skybird
09-11-24, 06:12 PM
watch on youtube: german economy is done while its biggest employer shuts down plants.
https://youtu.be/IYHWxhSQfGY?si=-2J80YK17oCY-roc
https://youtu.be/Xg0ke7EMZPI?si=TpuWhfdZEY7CaBqo
https://youtu.be/xmEhTFjQB1g?si=xunJJAMrthuiMYIH
No happy end to this.
Shadowblade
09-12-24, 07:46 AM
this happens when crazy politicians do stupid things like push the Green deal or shutdown nuclear power plants ...
Skybird
09-12-24, 09:02 AM
^ This is what happens when people vote these politicians in, and do not revolt against them in time.
The responsibility for the committed deeds is the politicians's. The deeper guilt is the people's. They let them do it, they let things being done to themselves without resisting.
"Das Problem ist doch: mach einem Bekloppten mal klar, daß er bekloppt ist." - Dieter Bohlen.
Shadowblade
09-12-24, 09:30 AM
yeah, there are people who vote these politicians, but there also politicians who say one thing before elections and after getting votes and power they do the opposite. Or they make coalition with bad allies...
Like here - our Prime minister promised: "We will not increase taxes. Period.".
After winning elections - government increased taxes. <facepalm>
I was right when I didnt trust him and didnt vote for his party & coalition (very bad coalition - pro-EU & pro-migration parties there)...
Skybird
09-12-24, 10:02 AM
yeah, there are people who vote these politicians, but there also politicians who say one thing before elections and after getting votes and power they do the opposite. Or they make coalition with bad allies...
I only excuse first voters and very young people by these arguments. After some years of life experience with observing the political goings I demand every adult to have understood what the rules of the game are, and that the rules and the game both are rigged. Its all show, and if you take politicians by their word and believe them, its YOU who is to be held accountable for this naivety.
Really: lying, opportunism, arbitrariness, non-binding basis of all what politicians do and say - these are quintessences of politics now. A fool everyone who still falls for this after having observed this circus for a few years. Recklessness, ignorrance may be the characteristics of youth according to Cicero, but with increasing age I also demand an increase in prudence and insight, and that one sees through this mummery and infamy and abuse.
The game is rigged already on the most profound levels. "The political parties have made the state their prey." (Richard von Weizsäcker). Play the game according to their rigged rules, and you forfeit your right to complain about them, since you accepted them. Thats what turns you from a victim to an accomplice.
I ojnly excuse first voters and very young people by these arzgments. After saome years of life experience with observing the potlical goings I demand every adult to have undersotod what the rules of the game are, and that the rules and the game both are rigged. Its show, and if you take politicians by their word and believe them, its YOU who is to be held accountable for this naivety.
Really: lying, opportunism, arbitrariness, non-binding basis of all potlicians do and say - these are quintessences of politc snow. A fool everyone who still falls for this after having observed this circus for a few years. Recklessness, ignorrance may be the characteristics of youth according to Cicero, but with increasing age I also demand an increase in prudence and insight, and that one sees through this mummery and infamy and abuse.
The game is rigged already on the most profound levels.
^ This, is one of the reason to why I do not vote anymore - Haven't been voting since 2002.
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Skybird
09-12-24, 10:53 AM
^ This, is one of the reason to why I do not vote anymore - Haven't been voting since 2002.
Markus
Since all my life I have never legitimized a party or a politician by voting for whatever. Not at local level and not at national level, because I've been thinking like this all my life and since my school days. Even in my youth, I was deeply suspicious of all this. Laziness or disrespect never had anything to do with it, I always rejected this "voting as legitimization for some ultimately foreign person" out of conviction. And the older I get and have to witness how this country is being ruined, the more I realize how damn right I was - right from the start.
As we say in German: Nur die dümmsten Kälber wählen sich ihre Metzger selber.
They may show us a left and a right door and make a big Brimborium about choice and civil rights and the moral duty to vote, but both doors lead into one and the same slaughterhouse.
The choice is rigged.
Jimbuna
09-12-24, 12:20 PM
Don't vote, it only encourages them.
Since all my life I have never legitimized a party or a politician by voting for whatever. Not at local level and not at national level, because I've been thinking like this all my life and since my school days. Even in my youth, I was deeply suspicious of all this. Laziness or disrespect never had anything to do with it, I always rejected this "voting as legitimization for some ultimately foreign person" out of conviction. And the older I get and have to witness how this country is being ruined, the more I realize how damn right I was - right from the start.
As we say in German: Nur die dümmsten Kälber wählen sich ihre Metzger selber.
They may show us a left and a right door and make a big Brimborium about choice and civil rights and the moral duty to vote, but both doors lead into one and the same slaughterhouse.
The choice is rigged.
Well, damint i posted but Democracy, said no.there ya go. And Sky you would have liked it. Truth is something you can't say today.
Skybird
09-13-24, 07:28 AM
https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/ein_blick_in_die_vergangenheit?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Below I list some trends that make it likely that average material living conditions will at least stagnate in the long term:
The most important trend is the development of labor productivity, measured as real GDP per average hour worked. At the beginning of the 1970s, labor productivity was still increasing by an average of five percent per year, in the 1990s it was still 1.8 percent, and in the ten-year period from 2010 to 2022, average annual productivity growth was only 0.8 percent. (2) Productivity growth is therefore virtually stagnating. At around 61.1 billion working hours, the number of hours worked in the economy as a whole in 2022 was slightly above the 1991 level. This conceals major structural shifts: In agriculture, industry, trade, commerce and banking, the number of hours worked decreased by 8.2 billion. In information and communication, business services, public services, education and health, the number of hours worked increased by 9.3 billion (...).
The second most important trend is the change in working hours. Although there are currently around 46 million people in employment in Germany, more than ever before, the average number of hours worked has fallen from 2,500 in 1950 to 1,554 in 1991 and currently 1,340 in 2020 (...). (3) With six weeks of annual leave, this corresponds to an average working week of 30 hours. In the USA, people worked an average of 1,700 hours in 2020, and 2,200 hours in China. It is legitimate for Germans to take more and more of their standard of living in the form of leisure time, but it also means less money in their wallets and less money for financing state tasks.
The third most important trend is demographics: the baby boomers will be retiring in the next ten years. Over the next ten years, there will be a total gap of five million between the 65-year-olds who retire and the 20-year-olds who reach the threshold of being able to work. This gap currently stands at 300,000 a year and will reach 600,000 a year by 2028 (...). This applies to all occupational groups, from building tradesmen to tax consultants and nursing staff. This situation has been sliding towards us like an iceberg for 50 years. We were already talking our heads off about this as young civil servants in the Federal Ministry of Finance in 1975. But even half a century ago, politicians remained fundamentally passive with regard to demographic developments, and this has remained the case to this day.
Germany therefore needs every labour-saving rationalization that is possible. The 700,000 to 800,000 young people who will enter the workforce every year in the future are far more ethnically and culturally diverse than the 1.4 million baby boomers who will replace them on the labor market each year and, according to PISA and IQB education trends, have a much poorer average educational performance and cognitive skills than the age cohorts they are replacing. We therefore have both a quantitative and a qualitative problem.
Despite the nominal expansion in education - instead of 5.5 percent of a cohort at the beginning of the 1960s, today 40 percent graduate from high school - the number of STEM degrees at German universities is falling. Many first-year students lack the necessary basic mathematical knowledge. This starts as early as the 6th and 7th grade - fractions and simple equations - and they soon give up.
Politicians would like to alleviate the problem by increasing labor immigration. However, they lack the right selection tools to do so. The millions of Syrians, Afghans and Africans who have come to us in recent years, mainly as asylum seekers, certainly bring a great deal of individual talent and enthusiasm with them. On average, however, they are poorly educated or not educated at all. Their cognitive skills test results are well below the German average (4) and their integration into the labor market is very low, even after many years.
All of this leaves its mark on German public budgets. Despite rising tax and contribution rates, the relative burden of supporting the growing number of transfer-dependent people, state subsidies for pension insurance, long-term care insurance and, in the foreseeable future, health insurance is becoming ever greater, while the funds that are permanently available for future-related tasks are decreasing (...) .
We are ######.
I am no pessimist at all when always painting black pictures of Germany's future. I am simply realistic. As long as ther eis no black swan event in our favour. But our political "elite" is so fantastic that they would turn even this into a disaster.
So much for Germanys closed border
Germany don agree to open dia doors to 250,000 skilled and semi-skilled Kenyan workers in wetin dem call, controlled and targeted labour migration deal.
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/cp3d3341kgpo
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Jimbuna
09-14-24, 09:11 AM
Surprised it wasn't the UK Government.
Skybird
09-14-24, 10:40 AM
To make this clear: German economy and caretaking impossibly can do without migration. Migration we need. Also we do not have problems with and troubles from all, from any migrants, but only specific migrant groups: Muslim migrants not in totality but by majority, since they tend to form closed parrallel societies refusing integration, and amongst these again make young more or less radical knife-swingers, West-haters, girl-rapers and social losers who got spit out already by their own home nations and societies and had a criminal record aleady back there.
We need migration. It will not help Germans to stay German, quite the oppoosite, but it is inevitbale to maintain the social services and economy that maintain our state structure.
We just need to elarn to not let in just everybody and anybody, but to select. We have the right to chose whoim we let in and whom not, but if you say that in Germany, you get almost instant-lynched. We must learn to let those in who are willinh to integrate fully, who are specialised in those professions and skills we need on the labpour market, and very much preferred: who are not Islamic (which is another taboo to mention, but who am I to care for taboos).
For these eligible migrants we need to make things easier. There is too much bureaucracy. There are thousands of Ukrainian doctors and nurses amongst those refugess, who desparately wait for allowance to work, but who are not allowed to work since their qualification is endlessly worked on back and forth in the bureauracy - while we desperately need doctors and nurses. Instead the number of Ukrainian women and girls working in brothels or "escort services" have exploded. And I think its a safe bet that most of these did not do it voluntarily, but out of financial need.
German language learning is mandatory, of course. And I am strictly against dual citizenship like the current chaos government has introduced. If you come as a flreiogner to Germany and want to live here forever, you have to chose between your wol and your new nation/culture/home/you name it. No split loyalties, I do not accept that, I demand exclusive loyalty - to Germany. I demand too much for you? Pack your things and leave. Dont bring your old culture here, we are a culture already: we are Germany. Your culture has no place here, your old cultures place is back where you came form. If you prefer that, stay there, dont come here and demand citizenship. Its either your old one - or our new one. There canot be split loyalties: these would imply unreliability and untrustworthiness. Tjhats how I feel about it, thats the attitude I meet you with. Your old palce is of no interest to me. Its of interest to me only if I go there.
Needless to say: we need a total reformation of our asylum laws. The current ones base on conditions and idealistc assumptions that are no longer valid, stem from a different time and world. The world has changed, and mass mirgaiton nowadays even gets used by our enemies as a weapon to do damage to us, things have changed against us. We are in danger to get overrolled by both the world - and our own asylum laws. We need to get much more restrictive. Most Germans have understood that and even demand it - just the Greens and the Reds have not. They enforce their fanaticial policy against the overhwelming majority of Germans.
Hence: the AfD...
Jimbuna
09-14-24, 10:51 AM
^ It would be great if the theory would only work with practice.
Most discussions are about so-called irregular migrants, those who arrive in the European Union (EU) without visas, most migration is actually regular in other words legal. For instance, nine out of 10 Africans come to Europe with a passport and visa in hand, which goes full against public perception. 90 per cent of migration is regional, with the vast majority of migrants seeking refuge or better job opportunities in neighbouring countries. There is no migration crisis in Europe right now, even if politicians and many mainstream media often make us believe so. In fact, there are already tons of existing treaties, directives and policy documents that constitute sensible migration policies. We just need to start implementing what is already there. Stricter border control is likely to lead to more migrants trying to reach Europe via complicated routes and thus to a greater sense of loss of control, a vicious circle.
Shadowblade
09-15-24, 04:43 AM
So much for Germanys closed border
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/cp3d3341kgpo
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Germany doesnt have enough "doctors" and "engineers" already?
I read that incoming IT workers dont need to have IT skills, which is crazy <facepalm>
Skybird
09-15-24, 06:25 AM
There is no migration crisis in Europe right now, even if politicians and many mainstream media often make us believe so.
Its on the highest level since Merkel's triumpg 2015. In the East, its not better.
Sorry dude, but what you wrote sounds almost like whitewashing the situation. Greece and Italy, also Poland, are extrneel yangry at Germany coinsideirng to control its borders, since this mess at their won outer bporders last but not leats cas been caused by Merkel, and they solved th eissue by flushign the masse sof people through and to Germany, if Germany does not take all these illegal migrants in anymore, they would need to confront the situation and make even more unpopular decisions themselves.
Migration is NOT under control as you imply, nor does Europe have a sovereign stance of self-made decision on who gets in and who not. Its a political battlefield since many years.
Also, demadns to send refused asylum seekers back is pointless if the countries they stem form do not take them back. Thats why the Ger,man quta of send-backs is pathetic at best. We could make economic aid and such depending on their willingness to comply (they are their citizens, after all), but that is still seen as off limits since it is "not nice."
By the end of the day we could - relatively easily - close Europe's borders and control the influx - others showed it can be done for sure. But European activists and politicians do not want that, for ideological reasons.
Sooner or later they will find out they must, or Europe turns into Africa and the Middle East, like in some regions it already has.
An international survey across two thirds of African countries from several years ago, maybe ten years or so, showed already back then that minimum one third of the Africans are wanting to move north, if only they could. And that was the kindest scenario they concluded on. Africa in total has short of one and a half billion. By the end of this year it will be 26 million more.
How many migrants you want to have? 100 million? 200 million? Half a billion? Ask, and it can be done.
“Anyone who thinks they can help by bringing half of Calcutta to their home is mistaken. He becomes Calcutta himself.” - Peter Scholl-Latour
Edit:
I have just read that the Dutch government wants to declare a state of emergency in order to circumvent the current, overly lax asylum laws and stem the influx of migrants.
Shadowblade
09-16-24, 10:49 AM
There is no migration crisis in Europe right now, even if politicians and many mainstream media often make us believe so.
ofc there is migration crisis in Europe - that is the reason why EU invented "mandatory solidarity" (which is oxymoron and reskinned mandatory quotas) to force us to accept illegal immigrants or pay "protection fee" to not have them here.
Jimbuna
09-16-24, 11:15 AM
Germany reintroduces border checks to far-right praise as EU tensions mount
Germany has reintroduced temporary checks at all nine of its land borders in a move that has drawn criticism from several of its European partners but praise from the far right.
The embattled coalition government in Berlin said last week that checks already being carried out on its borders with Austria, Poland, the Czech Republic and Switzerland would be extended to France, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark.
The decision came after a series of deadly knife attacks in which the suspects were asylum seekers, and historic successes by the far-right, anti-immigrant Alternative für Deutschland party (AfD) in two crunch state elections in the east of the country.
Nancy Faeser, the country’s interior minister, said the border checks would curb migration and “protect against the acute dangers posed by Islamist terrorism and serious crime,” but critics have denounced it as politically motivated and likely to be largely ineffective.
Europe’s passport-free Schengen zone, which includes 25 EU nations plus four others including Switzerland and Norway, allows free movement without border checks and is thought of as one of the bloc’s biggest achievements as well as a critical economic asset.
Temporary checks are allowed in exceptional circumstances to avert specific threats to internal security or public policy. Eight members currently impose them on selected borders, citing increased terror threats or pressure on asylum capacity.
Poland’s prime minister, Donald Tusk, was the first to openly criticise Germany’s decision, calling it “unacceptable from Poland’s viewpoint” and demanding more help from Berlin in securing the EU’s external borders rather than tighter internal controls.
Warsaw has proposed consultations with all EU member states bordering Germany to address a decision Tusk said was a result of the country’s “internal political situation” and could lead to “the de facto suspension of the Schengen agreement on a large scale”.
Greece’s prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, said on Thursday it would be wrong to “move to a logic of ad hoc exemptions from the Schengen agreement, with border controls that will … hurt one of the fundamental achievements of the EU.”
The response, Mitsotakis said, “cannot be unilaterally scrapping Schengen”. Others, however, were more sanguine, with the Czech interior minister, Vit Rakusan, saying he did not expect much material change as checks would mostly be random.
Far-right leaders were jubilant in response to the news. Geert Wilders of the Dutch Freedom party (PVV) said Berlin’s decision was a “great idea” and asked when the Netherlands would follow suit, while the Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbàn, said on X: “Welcome to the club.”
Marine Le Pen of France’s National Rally said her party had proposed a “double – external and internal border – system” in recent elections and been told it was not possible. “Now Germany is doing it,” she said. “When will France follow?”
Giorgia Meloni’s far-right Brothers of Italy party has praised Berlin’s decision. Orbàn’s chief of staff, Gergely Gulyás, said laxity on the EU’s external borders combined with tougher internal border checks were combining to “destroy free movement”.
The German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, whose divided three-party coalition is trailing far behind AfD and the centre-right opposition Christian Democrats (CDU) in the polls a year before federal elections, has defended the decision.
With days to go before another critical state election in Brandenburg which the AfD is expected to win, Scholz told parliament the move was necessary and the government would “continue with it, even though it is getting difficult with our neighbours”.
It is not yet clear what the impact of the increased border checks will be. Berlin has pledged to “coordinate closely with our neighbours … and keep the impact on everyday life in the border regions as low as possible”.
The interior ministry last week insisted the measures, scheduled to last an initial six months, would be in line with existing border controls – in other words, random spot checks or targeting specific vehicles based on police intelligence.
Freight industry representatives have said they believe the tighter checks should not lead to excessive tailbacks and consequent economic losses, but associations for cross-border workers have said they will be watching the situation closely.
More likely, analysts suggest, are rising tensions with Germany’s neighbours if the checks – along with plans to make it easier to turn people back directly at the border – lead to authorities returning many more people to the country they arrive from.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/germany-reintroduces-border-checks-to-far-right-praise-as-eu-tensions-mount/ar-AA1qDjOt?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=03ea10bb58304690b852516e9f81b790&ei=61
And guess who got caught first, some Dutch hashish smugglers :)
Jimbuna
09-16-24, 01:00 PM
First place of residence in Holland was Bergen op Zoom and driving to Germany for a few days respite I was stopped three times and the vehicle was searched for drugs, or so they said.
I believe it was the English number plate myself.
Edit:
I have just read that the Dutch government wants to declare a state of emergency in order to circumvent the current, overly lax asylum laws and stem the influx of migrants.One of the ruling parties (NSC) will not agree to emergency legal measures to curb the number of asylum applications if the cabinet's chief advisor, the Council of State, gives a negative opinion on that construction. It does have to comply with the constitution and treaties. Indeed, the Aliens Act can be partially set aside if there is a war situation or other ‘extraordinary circumstances’. The Prime Minister has not yet got the motivation right, for instance, the cabinet has not yet established when the Netherlands will be overcoming the asylum crisis. It has not been agreed, for instance, how much the shortfalls in reception for asylum seekers must have decreased for the crisis measures to be withdrawn again. Whether it will get there is a big question far right has a lot of blah blah.... but that is also all, and they are only one of three if one does not want it there is not going to be an asylum crisis created.
Edit:
The utter funny thing is if we want to close the borders(Symbol politics)... We... need migrants, we do not have the border guards for it, we have a huge labour shortage LOL. Far right "we need to cut in the ministries a smaller government, but we need two new ministries for our far right thingy" fun years to come I am stocking up the popcorn better investment than far right in a government.
Shadowblade
09-16-24, 02:34 PM
First place of residence in Holland was Bergen op Zoom and driving to Germany for a few days respite I was stopped three times and the vehicle was searched for drugs, or so they said.
I believe it was the English number plate myself.
I remember the case when czech truck driver got 2 years in France, because he unknowingly transported a group of illegal migrants hidden in his truck.
Skybird
09-16-24, 03:55 PM
More crying in Berlin. Intel has announced it will build its chip factory in Magdeburg not less than two years later.
If ever. :03:
The German subsidies the Greens were willing to pay to Intel for this second class chip factory (its no new generation chips they plan to build there, but older, relatively primitive, big ones to be used in cars) were insane, astronomical. A typical Habeck dud, everything he takes in his hands explodes him right into his green face. And the rest of us then must clean up the grease he has covered everything in.
As a tax payer I can just say: thank you, Intel. And as long as you do not want to do serious business even without insane, stellar amounts of subsidies: stay away.
Shadowblade
09-17-24, 08:17 AM
Luckily, Greens are quite weak here, otherwise they would probably do same mess like in Germany and other countries.
It reminds me one Futurama scene (dubbed version):
Fry: "Wait a minute, I know what's going on here. You've all become idiots."
Bender: "Hey, let's all join the Green party!"
Everyone: "Oh, yeah!"
Skybird
09-19-24, 05:40 AM
Elections in Brandenburg this weekend.
[Tagesspiegel] In the Sunday poll, the CDU/CSU extended their lead in the Allensbach survey to 35.5%. The AfD is the second strongest party with 17%, followed by the SPD with 16%. The Greens fall to ten percent, while the BSW is close behind with nine percent. The FDP (four percent) and the Left Party, on the other hand, would no longer be represented in the Bundestag.
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Means: CDU will "win", but end up in a coalition where it is forced to continue greenish-leftist policy making.
I can only ask every CDU voter: why do you vote CDU if with a cross for SPD or Greens you can have the original instead of the cheap copy?
Further:
[Tagesspiegel] According to a new survey, the model of a traffic light coalition at federal level has lost almost all support. In an Allensbach survey published by the “Frankfurter Allgemeine” (Thursday edition), only three percent of respondents were still convinced that a coalition of SPD, Greens and FDP would be good for the country. 29 percent named a CDU-led alliance with the SPD as their preferred coalition.
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25 percent said in the survey that they would like to see a single government with an absolute majority - they favored a CDU/CSU government by a wide margin.
54% of citizens expressed the wish for the CDU/CSU to be represented in a leading role in the next government. Only 29 percent said this about the current chancellor's party, the SPD.
In the Sunday poll, the CDU/CSU extended their lead in the Allensbach survey to 35.5%. The AfD is the second strongest party with 17%, followed by the SPD with 16%. The Greens fall to ten percent, while the BSW is close behind with nine percent. The FDP (four percent) and the Left Party, on the other hand, would no longer be represented in the Bundestag.
For the survey, the Allensbach Institute interviewed a total of 1017 people from August 29 to September 11. According to the institute, the survey is representative of the German population aged 16 and over. (AFP)
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3 Percent. :har:
We have a temr here in Germany, "Brandmauer", it means firewall. It stems from left-leaning theoreticians and describes the need to isolate and exclude the AfD and its voters (mind you, 30% of the voters in recent two election) in parliaments and from responsibility and power. The intended effect is that the CDU gets doomed for the rest of all time to exclusively run leftist-green policies ion coaltiioons with SPD or Greeen who will demand high cost concessions by the CDU for their pariticpation in a coaltiion government. We have seen many examples for that in states level already. Worst exmaple is Berlin, by far the worst.
It will not get better anymore. It cannot get better. It simply is not poissible in this fractured party spectrum. Becasue I dont see how CDU will get absolute majority anywhere. The sister party CSU in Bavaria used to have majorities in the - now already quite distant - past, but even them and even in Bavaria they cannot get it anymore.
Add to the political falling apart the demographic disaster and the decline of both quantity and quality (!) of the labour pool, the suicidal energy policy, the debt crisis, the seölf-detsruciton of the infrastructure, and the moralistic technocratic ideologization, and you know why I say Germany is done. Its dooomed, its a lost case. By the end of this century or so, even ethnically and culturally Germany will kostly have seized to exist.
In other words: "Germaness" goes extinct. Total victory of the left. Thats what they always wanted.
Catfish
09-19-24, 08:38 AM
After Putin's referendum in Saxony and Thuringia I wonder what happens in Brandenburg. I guess only two-stroke engines will be allowed in the three test areas :O:
Shadowblade
09-19-24, 08:40 AM
Means: CDU will "win", but end up in a coalition where it is forced to continue greenish-leftist policy making.
my rule is: when you make coalitions with people who are harming my country then no vote for you.
By the end of this century or so, even ethnically and culturally Germany will kostly have seized to exist.
In other words: "Germaness" goes extinct. Total victory of the left. Thats what they always wanted.
it reminds me:
"If you take all homeless people from your town to your home, then you will be also homeless guy soon."
When you will let in Africa and Middle East into your country, then you will get combination of Africa & Middle East, not Germany.
Skybird
09-20-24, 06:52 AM
They'll be going crazy again in Munich from tomorrow... :haha: :Kaleun_Cheers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78obuaEQxmI
FYI, a filled glass like that weighs 2.3 kg. The waitress is stemming a whopping ~30kg. All her shift long.
Prices for "eine Maß" (=1l) this year range from 13.50 to 15.50 €. Drink with devotion. :LOL:
Shadowblade
09-20-24, 07:25 AM
I remember when they had to add precautions against muslim ...err terrorist :03: truck attacks for Octoberfest.
Now they need to add precautions against knife stabbing....
Indeed, a life in "multicultural" country is not boring.
Skybird
09-20-24, 08:38 AM
Hence the many beer. :D
Shadowblade
09-20-24, 11:25 AM
Hence the many beer. :D
sounds like a plan :D
Skybird
09-22-24, 03:49 PM
Projected results from the election in Brandenburg today.
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FDP ~ 1% :haha:
Greens out, losing more than half of their votes from last time, dropping all evening long from 5 to 4.5 and now 4% and getting no two direct mandates (which according to exotic German laws would allow them to enter parliament with a full faction even if staying below 5%) :up: .
SPD winning probably by a very narrow margin - but AfD probably getting a blocking minority.
CDU loses by a record, and if it enters a coalition of SPD (and maybe BSW) it will lose profile and reputation the same way it would when enabling a minority government of SPD and BSW alone by tolerating them - vote for CDU and get the Reds nevertheless. If their tolerance is even needed, that is.
By numbers, a coalition of SPD and BSW is possible. My dearest condolences.
FDP was ANNIHILATED in three elections in a line now. Its absolutely possible that they let the national government now collapse. Chances are I say 50:50. If they stay they must not even care to participate in next year's national elections - they would get buried and their grave forgotten on the same day.
German people is sick, done and over with the national traffic-light government.
When the FDP entered the national coalition government three years ago, I spit my dinner on the screen in laughter. They now pay the price. For their decision I mean - not for my dinner.
It's interesting to see a party like BSW(Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht) got so high a score. I seem to remember how you described her and her party.
Markus
Skybird
09-22-24, 04:16 PM
Brandenburg was part of the SED, she lives of the "she'S one of us" effect, and she lives of people's short memory. She sings the pro-Russian anti-Ukraine tune and serves to the arch-German desire for world peace from just meaning things well, and moral justice seen through red glasses. That both would be under Russian bajonetts she does not say, and people are too busy with their everyday needs, energy costs, and mass migration as if they would care. Germany is not really united, the trenches between West and East in fact beocme deeper and wider. You cannot simply reverse the economic effects and sociologica effects from half a century of system-depending different socialisation. There are significant differences in Wetsenr and Eastern mentality (in lack of a b etter word). Wagenknecht is a populist par excellence. Intelligent, but vain, and in the core of her self still Stalinist and very russophile (like many Eastgermans are, the vast majority in the East is pro-Russia, and the national population East plus West also is against Ukriane and pro Russia, in the West the dominance of the pro-Russians is just not that big like in the East).
And like Stalinism sees a revival in Russia since Putler came to power, we see a blossoming of GDR nostalghia in Eastgermany.
In the East, many people feel extremely excluded. There is a lot of distrust of the established political parties, as well as of the media, science and the legal system. This has led to great resistance to the democratic system as a whole. Wagenknecht has jumped into a political vacuum that is overwhelmingly larger in the East than in the West of Germany. Die Linke has collapsed, and Wagenknecht is to some extent that party's replacement. But with a more conservative cultural base, more scepticism towards migration. Wagenknecht is a well-known figure, but also to some extent a media phenomenon. Her party has no roots in society. It also has only eighty or a hundred members, elected by her in a very Leninist party setup.
Thank you Marc.
Looks like the German are going to the right and to the left.
Where will it end ? Will Germany be divided once again in the future ? Where AfD have the majority in east Germany and the left have majority in west Germany.
Markus
Thank you Marc.
Looks like the German are going to the right and to the left.
Where will it end ? Will Germany be divided once again in the future ? Where AfD have the majority in east Germany and the left have majority in west Germany.
MarkusNationwide, the AfD can now count on a fifth of the vote, according to polls. The democratic centre is still expected to be able to retain national government power in next year's elections, but the growing extreme flanks are increasingly driving the established political order into a corner.
In the East, many people feel extremely excluded. There is a lot of distrust of the established political parties, as well as of the media, science and the legal system. This has led to great resistance to the democratic system as a whole. Wagenknecht has jumped into a political vacuum that is overwhelmingly larger in the East than in the West. Die Linke has collapsed, and Wagenknecht is to some extent that party's replacement. But with a more conservative cultural base, more scepticism towards migration. Wagenknecht is a well-known figure, but also to some extent a media phenomenon. Her party has no roots in society. It also has only eighty or a hundred members, elected by her in a very Leninist party setup.
This was the reason why I found it interesting. Der partei was established in this year 2024 and going from zero to 13.4.
Markus
Ostfriese
09-23-24, 12:47 AM
But with a more conservative cultural base, more scepticism towards migration. Wagenknecht is a well-known figure, but also to some extent a media phenomenon.
That's an understatement. Wagenknecht is nothing but empty shells of words thrown around on different media.
That's an understatement. Wagenknecht is nothing but empty shells of words thrown around on different media.
Nevertheless she went from nothing to 13.4 % in 10 month, so she must have reached some Germans.
Markus
Skybird
09-23-24, 06:18 AM
The parliament in Brandenburg has 88 seats. 44 seats now go to the AfD and the BSW, the one being right-lenaign, the other left-leanbing, but both have at least three things in common: both are against the mass migration policy currently in place, both are against aid for Ukraine and pro Russia, and both are extremely focussed on the lead personnel at the top of their hierarchies.
The Greens have lost over 20% of their young voters under 30. And they pathetically ask what is going on inside these younger people's heads. Both SPD and Greens say these young people y did not understand their policies well enough, because they both think that Germans are totally stupid. That the young ones run away right because they understand the results of these policies all too well and that they are the ones who are expected to pay for it - this does not come to the parties' minds.
In the future, we can expect to see a shift away formt he middle to the left and right wings of the pöotlical spectrum. Maybe next year after the naitonale leciton the big establishe doarties will be able once again to form a coalition for thmesleves, but I think it will be the last time they cna pull that stunt. What the CDU once stood for, the pathetic remains of that, will simply disappear, than Merkel'S prject to delete the CDU's positions from existence will finally be compeleted. It will not be able anymore to get majorities for itself, or have coalitions wher eit will not need to make dramatic left-leaning concessions. The CDU is just a carricature of its former and now dead self.
With 0.83% the FDP ranks even behind the Animal Protection Party. :har:
The AfD has a blocking minority now in Turingia and Brandenburg. Everything that needs a two-third majority, they can block.
Skybird
09-24-24, 04:50 PM
[Focus] When will the government collapse? Resentment is growing in the FDP and more and more party members are calling for an end to the traffic light coalition. According to a media report, a specific date has already been set to initiate the end.
According to information from “Bild”, a concrete exit scenario, including a possible date, is already being discussed in the party's leadership committees - the focus is on November 14.
On this day, the traffic light coalition is to finalize the budget for 2025 in the so-called “adjustment meeting”. Two weeks later, the budget is scheduled to be passed by the Bundestag.
There is therefore a conviction among the leading Liberals: If the FDP really wants to leave the traffic light, this must happen before November 14, but by November 29 at the latest.
After the budget has been passed, an exit would no longer make sense, according to the thinking. Chancellor Olaf Scholz could then continue relatively easily with the Greens as a minority government and replace the FDP ministers with his own people. For the Liberals, it would be a loss of power - a nightmare scenario. The next federal election is not regularly scheduled until September 28, 2025.
Another point: if the FDP were to leave the government, its ministers would not be entitled to a pension, as the legislative period has not yet ended.
The FDP's withdrawal would therefore have to take place before the budget is adopted. Many Liberals hope that without a budget for 2025 and without the FDP, Scholz will not be able to continue governing for long. A red-green minority government would not have a majority for many projects.
The FDP hopes that there could be early elections. The next few weeks will be decisive. All eyes will be on possible conflicts in which the SPD and FDP in particular could be irreconcilably opposed to each other in order to find a comprehensible reason for leaving the coalition.
According to FDP circles, the greatest risk of explosion is in the areas of pensions, migration and the budget.
[Focus] When will the government collapse? Resentment is growing in the FDP and more and more party members are calling for an end to the traffic light coalition. According to a media report, a specific date has already been set to initiate the end.
According to information from “Bild”, a concrete exit scenario, including a possible date, is already being discussed in the party's leadership committees - the focus is on November 14.
On this day, the traffic light coalition is to finalize the budget for 2025 in the so-called “adjustment meeting”. Two weeks later, the budget is scheduled to be passed by the Bundestag.
There is therefore a conviction among the leading Liberals: If the FDP really wants to leave the traffic light, this must happen before November 14, but by November 29 at the latest.
After the budget has been passed, an exit would no longer make sense, according to the thinking. Chancellor Olaf Scholz could then continue relatively easily with the Greens as a minority government and replace the FDP ministers with his own people. For the Liberals, it would be a loss of power - a nightmare scenario. The next federal election is not regularly scheduled until September 28, 2025.
Another point: if the FDP were to leave the government, its ministers would not be entitled to a pension, as the legislative period has not yet ended.
The FDP's withdrawal would therefore have to take place before the budget is adopted. Many Liberals hope that without a budget for 2025 and without the FDP, Scholz will not be able to continue governing for long. A red-green minority government would not have a majority for many projects.
The FDP hopes that there could be early elections. The next few weeks will be decisive. All eyes will be on possible conflicts in which the SPD and FDP in particular could be irreconcilably opposed to each other in order to find a comprehensible reason for leaving the coalition.
According to FDP circles, the greatest risk of explosion is in the areas of pensions, migration and the budget.
Have no worry and no fear,The Americans will give your government all the instructions they need to calm the situation.
Skybird
09-25-24, 05:45 AM
The leadership of the Green Party has resigned.
I think its the beginning of the end for the coalition government. The FDP will throw the coffin into the grave in Novembre.
The resignation of the dual leadership is probably primarily intended to protect the Green Minister for Economic Destruction and Energy Decadence Robert Habeck, who despite the misery of his disastrous record and his obvious economic incompetence is still seriously harboring dreams of becoming chancellor after the next elections. Which just goes to show how completely detached from reality the Greens are. Just replacing the faces of the leadership Lang/Nouripour - who are now downright hated by most Germans - will not be enough, because the party has no alternative world view to offer to its ideological rubbish, rather the youth wing in the party wants to go even more radically in the direction that resembles the abyss into which the Greens have plunged.
I dont wish to stop them. I wish them a an exciting free fall.
Ostfriese
09-26-24, 12:25 PM
Oh, look, the neo-fascist party that won a plurality in Thuringia behaves just like fascists. Only the stupid can be surprised...
Skybird
09-26-24, 01:42 PM
If the other parties would not have messed up so completely and make politics against the people and destroy the economic fundaments of Germany and wage war on Germany culture and identity, of said people not so many would have voted for AfD.
The AfD is destructive chaots, no illusions allowed to have on them. And thats why we deserve them. We should have refused the other parties' policies since many, many years earlier on.
Grab your popcorn, get your bottle of Baileys, lean back and enjoy the show. For the show will end like a Shakespearean play: everything broken, most actors dead. I'm looking forward to it.
For my own part, the AfD behaves exactly like I expect: causing destruction even if they ridicule themselves by doing it. Good. All other means to stop the left- and woke- and green-extreme political mainstream madness have failed, so now try the last desperate options left. It can hardly get any worse than it is. The scenes in the Turingia paliament today are hilarious. The destruction done by Habeck, Scholz, Merkel and their uber-mother EU are many times more destructive than today'S comedy.
It may also be part of the whole truth that the other parties in the Thuringian state parliament were not entirely innocent in the creation of today's smear comedy: https://www.tichyseinblick.de/meinungen/politische-selbstermaechtigung-mit-juristischen-mitteln/
Just saying. Ahum the Nazis were also a chaos party Hitler sad in the back let his gang war itself to do his bidding without ever giving an order, the holocaust worked like a train schedule because of the competition between the criminals.
Skybird
09-26-24, 03:18 PM
While there are no doubt Nazis in this party, its not a Nazi party, nor are the majority of its voters Nazis.
You see, I dont like them, in fact I dispise them. Problem for me - and many others - is we do not like the others, the left mainstream, any better. I dispise the left scum as much as I dispise the right scum. But the mainstream politicians have led us to where we are, and where we are is the desastrous result of 4 years of Schroeder (SPD), 16 years of Merkel (CDU), and 3 years traffic-light coalition (SPD, Greens, and a pseudoliberal vermiform appendix named FDP).
The damage these have accumulated over the past twenty years has destroyed Germany's hope to ever recover from its current fall. They have gambled away Germany's future, the future of the young.
Compared to that, the scenes of today from Thuringia are "peanuts".
I see no chance to reform the poltical system and the parties. They must be crushed, destroyed and replaced. The AfD currently seems to be the only sledge hammer avialable to get tis job done. Right because it is like it is, and is what it is. In a way I abuse them - as a wrecking ball. I certainly do not think a wrecking ball is intelligent. But it is hard and brutal. Its numb primitivity is its strength. Crash. Booom. Bang.
Mucking out the stable. Dont known what comes after that and whether that follow-on consequence would work for the better or worse. But I know that what we have now definitely is guaranteed to work out for the worst. So lets leave it behind at any cost. Better an unclear future that may work worse or better, than a guaranteed totally worst.
Again, I have no illusions about the AfD, they are not my heroes and I absolutely dispise them. I cannot stand any of their lead personnel at all. But they are the best enemy of my enemy, and so for the time being I absolutely refuse to stand in their way. I even hand them another sledge hammer if they break their own.
This might illustrate to you - and anyone else - how very very very much pissed by the situation in Germany - and in the EU - I am. Absolutely pissed like in "cannot be pissed any tiny quantity more". Else I would not tolerate such desperate attempts. Think of a wolf who stepped into a trap iron and bites his leg off to escape.
I think that a certain ammount of Americans voting for Trump do their reasoning for comparable cause (and causation). I often said I see Trump not as a cause, but a symptom. And I see the AfD also not as a cause, but a symptom. My attitude also is a symptom, because in a normal, a healthy situation I would never ever tolerate a political party, not to mention the AfD (or Trump). But we have reached desperate times.
Think of it as a last attempt of self-defence.
Since 1949–present the Federal Republic of Germany had 35 years of CDU, 21 years of SPD, FDP 9 days rule so giving left the blame of it is not correct. The AFD will do worse, making them salonfähig is dangerous to many alter kamaraden "Alles für die Heimat, alles für Sachsen-Anhalt, alles für Deutschland!" was the slogan of the Sturmabteilung.
Since 1949–present the Federal Republic of Germany had 35 years of CDU, 21 years of SPD, FDP 9 days rule so giving left the blame of it is not correct. The AFD will do worse, making them salonfähig is dangerous to many alter kamaraden "Alles für die Heimat, alles für Sachsen-Anhalt, alles für Deutschland!" was the slogan of the Sturmabteilung.
Whoever was in charge from 1949 and forward, they have created a society which created parties like AfD and even far left parties. Or should I say the German voters have created a society in which AfD grow.
Markus
Whoever was in charge from 1949 and forward, they have created a society which created parties like AfD and even far left parties. Or should I say the German voters have created a society in which AfD grow.
MarkusThe three main reasons for voting for the AfD are that they are concerned about immigration, that they have a certain apocalyptic grounding and fear that things are going wrong in the country and that they feel there is a political and intellectual elite (this time not der Jude, but we are not far from it with the AfD it is the same rhetoric different race) that has no regard for ordinary people. But differences between East and West Germany 30 years after the fall of the wall also play a role. In my view, these are simple "alte kameraden" certainly after reports leaked earlier this year about a secret meeting between AfD politicians and a delegation of neo-Nazis. There, they allegedly discussed mass deportations of immigrants, including German citizens after an AfD election win.
Skybird
09-26-24, 07:25 PM
To imply that a third of the voters in (SED-socialised) former GDR states are all Nazis, is absurd.
According to a poll, if there would be elections in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern now, the AFD would be strongest party there, too. All Nazis.
The youth organisation of the Greens also have stepped back now, their leadership, all of them. Whats more, they snapped and also leave the party, wanting to form a new ultra-left youth club and saying the Greens were not left enough for them.
Migration is out of control. I know Dargo claimed the opposite recently, but he is wrong. It is out of control in germany, and in Europe, the EU migration policy is also a total failure.
Knife crime and rapings are new national sports in Germany. They rose by factors and factors since 2015 and Merkel's ingenius unilateral decision to delcyre all borders open. And that is no exaggeration.
Ressentiments Westerners versus Easterners, Ossis gegen Wessis.
Massive economic decline. We are officially in a recession now. I say that since two years plus.
Decline of communal supply services: healthcare, public transportation. Soaring consumer prices, inflation.
Taxes and contributions for employees are ridiculously high, record-breakingly high, on average beyond 50% now they published some weeks ago. Purchasing power is falling despite wage increases. The pension system is imploding.
Steeply climbing energy prices. And an politically wanted mechanism to make sure they climb the steeper the more renewables get produced. How insane is that...?
A massive deindustrialization (always wn ated by the Greens...), high rate and still accelerating rate of insolvencies. Key actors and heavy weights of the German industry leaving the country. And as said, the numbers of insolvencies is on a record high, has just climbed again by 10% compared to the month last year. It goes like this since almost two years.
Public debt spiralling out of control, and Germany being demanded to burden the debts of other Euro-states. Germany shoulders Target-2-saldi worth over one trillion Euros. They now want the EU-wide debt-union so that France and Italy can let Germany pay for their financial mismanagement even more unscrupolously than already now.
Then the idiotic stillbirths of the woke-green-leftist agenda: gender gaga, enforced vegetarianism in companies and public services and schools and kindergardens, general accusation of being racist and islamophobic if not unconditionally surrendering to unlimited and unregulated mass migration policies from Africna and Muslim countries; being called a racist and hate criminal if insisting that Germany has its own culture and identiy and history; infantilism in the way politicians treat and lecture the population, like school teachers lecturing little kids; financial drama due to the Heizungsgesetz over here, threatening to ruin private households with steep six digit costs; the dud of e-mobility and the ban on traditional cars in 203x (will fall, I bet), and... and... and...
From November onwards, anyone who does not do a man who claims to be a woman and a woman who claims to be a man the favor of acknowledging this and socially locating and addressing them as desired, will be threatened with a high five-figure fine and imprisonment. In Germany, you can change your gender once a year at will and without any medical reasons (let alone genetic ones...).
If such a gang of completely stupid lunatics breaks out of the asylum and locks away all normal people as sick and criminals, then you also expect the victims of this state collapse to applaud the lunatics...????
The excessively increasing isolation of the rural areas. The drastic decline of the quality of school teaching. The erosion of the infrastructure. Overburdening bureaucratism. The joke of the nuclear energy policy.
Last but not least, the echoes of the criminal corona policies, and the revelations on the dramatic long term consequences of the jabs for health.
People have plenty of reasons to vote against the other parties and - in protest or not - for the AfD. Note that in the East, the successor to the GDR's SED party (Die Linke) plays almost no role anymore. Their voters all went to BSW or AfD.
That the AfD becomes "salonfähig" is a direct consequence of the extremely bad and underhanded policy-making of the past two decades, and since reunification.
I do not exaggerate, but Germany sees a decisive decline, is in free fall. Its economic success model does not work anymore. The demographic decline is dramatic. The pensions system is about to collapse, or to consume ever bigger ammounts of either debts - or payments by the young who will not much longer accept that, because they can not live with these burdens anymore. We have a massive brain drain of young, specialised and highly qualified families. And I do not see any chance that these things will be reversed. We are beyond the point of no return.
The hilarious EU policies and "green deals" and centralism and planned economy ideas will give us the rest.
Forget Germany. Its done. The bad news is: Forget the UK. Its done as well. Forget France. Its done, too. (...)
Talking about migration, politicians are as reliable as a chocolate teapot. Especially the hardliners. Time after time, we hear them uttering harsh words about fewer immigrants, and never anything comes of it. What we see here is The Great Migration Lie. What explains the gap between rhetoric and reality? First of all, actual ‘grip on migration’ is a myth as long as we are in the European Union. More than half of immigrants are from the EU. And there is little we can do about that: within the EU, all residents are allowed to live, work and holiday anywhere without hassle, so you have no control over your borders. ‘Grip on migration’ is also invariably associated with asylum by right-wing politicians. But if you look at the figures, less than 13 per cent (in the Netherlands) were asylum seekers or post-travellers in the last 10 years. This is a small group. You can then introduce all sorts of Draconian measures for the stage, but it will only make a few per cent difference at most. Ultimately, our economy is the most powerful magnet for newcomers. A country like Hungary is much less popular with migrants, but the median income there is also four times lower.
The best way to combat migration is to destroy your economy.' But then again, that is not such a popular message if you want to win souls with an anti-immigration voice. So impotence is the first explanation for The Great Migration Lie. It is a sobering message to voters who don't like migrants: maybe high immigration is not something we can just contain. But besides impotence, it is also about unwillingness. In the UK, the 2016 Brexit referendum was largely about migration. A month before the referendum, Boris Johnson, then just quit as mayor of London and convinced Brexiteer, bellowed that there was ‘no support for the scale of immigration we are seeing’ and that the situation was ‘completely out of control’. Brexiteer Nigel Farage said mass immigration was making his country ‘unrecognisable’ and outlined a future where, after the Brexit, the UK could limit the migration balance (the number of new arrivals minus the number of departures) to between 30,000 and 40,000.
But what happened after the British, once freed from the European Union, were allowed to decide for themselves who did and did not cross the border? The migration balance only increased, to almost 700,000. By 2022, the balance was more than 100 per cent higher than in 2016, the year of the Brexit referendum. That has little to do with illegal boats crossing the Channel; in 2022, only 6 per cent of all immigrants entered the country that way. So perhaps the post-Brexit government has suddenly changed its thinking on migration? Well no, the Conservative Party, is still fiercer on migration than ever before. The truth is that the Conservative Party does not want to curb migration at all, because the country desperately needs foreign labour. Foreigners are more than welcome because they need to fill vacancies! For instance, the number of foreign nurses in the UK rose from 16 per cent in 2016 to 27 per cent by 2023. At the same time, 30 per cent of dentists come from abroad. And a whopping 35 per cent of doctors.
Something similar applies to Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni. For years, she cried that mass immigration destroys European identity. But last summer, her government quietly approved allowing another 452,000 workers from outside the EU to enter the country between 2023 and 2025. Italy's economy desperately needs these people. They are the two dirty little secrets of the anti-immigration brigade: it promises much more than it can deliver. And worse: it promises all sorts of things that it does not want to deliver at all.
Look around you, at the newspaper deliverers and cleaners. But right now they are especially vulnerable the truck drivers and greenhouse workers, the construction and distribution workers, the Uber drivers and couriers they are largely people from abroad. Or to the slaughterhouses, where a staggering 51 per cent of employees were born elsewhere. By 2021, more than five migrant workers came to the Netherlands for every two asylum seekers. And that club is only increasing between 2006 and 2021, the number of labour migrants in the Netherlands quadrupled.
You must have a plate the size of a border wall in front of your head not to see a significant part of our luxury (or our consumption pattern) is built on the shoulders of labour migrants. And voters know this. Even in other countries. If you ask Britons whether they think overall immigration rates are too high, a majority (64 per cent) say ‘yes’. But if you then ask them in which occupational group there should be fewer immigrants than doctors, nurses, fruit pickers, academics, construction workers, IT workers, hospitality workers or even students then, for each group, Brits are actually positive about recruiting newcomers. Every group except bankers :).
Put reality alongside election talk, you see right-wing European politicians pretending that they are going to curb immigration enormously, but once in power, they do the opposite as far as labour migration is concerned. Because they also know that the economic consequences would otherwise be far too great. But to keep up the pretence that they are ‘tough on migration’, they continue to point wrathfully at the (relatively small group of) asylum seekers they cannot keep out anyway. I have no problem with voters who are anti-immigration. It is a legitimate position, everyone can make their own trade-off. But then give a clear picture of what is in the balance. Let's not beat about the bush if you really want a much lower migration balance, it cannot be done without massive economic damage. Not only will there be far fewer migrant workers to keep the economy going, you will also have to leave the EU if you want to keep the borders closed. And we only have to look across the Channel to see the dramatic economic consequences of leaving the EU.
Is there anything more condescending than promising to reduce migration when you don't have the tools to do so at all? More condescending than preaching ‘getting a grip on migration’, without frankly acknowledging that this requires leaving the European Union? More condescending than telling voters that all their troubles are caused by newcomers, without being honest about the key role migrant workers play in our economic model? But hardly anyone wants to And then consistently fail to deliver, because deep down you don't want what you say at all? And blame the left for your failure, very mature indeed!
Skybird
09-27-24, 07:33 AM
[Tichys Einblicke] Trans-hyped Germany: In anticipatory obedience, the Department of Education of the City of Munich has published guidelines for the new school year, which are intended to align everyday school life with transsexual, intersexual and “non-binary” children: The letter blows the whistle on the neutrality requirement and biological facts.
Teachers have a lot to do. In the best Germany ever, in addition to imparting specialist knowledge and coping with excessive bureaucracy, they all too often have to make up for educational deficits and teach children and young people basic social skills that were previously acquired at home. With the new school year, the city is now placing further demands on its teachers: They are to implement a guideline that aims to tailor everyday school life to the needs of pupils who consider themselves transgender or non-binary.
“Design school life and lessons - also through the teaching materials and examples used - in such a way that the realities of life and the history of trans*, intersex and non-binary people are represented,” it says; or: ”Respect the forms of address and pronouns chosen by the pupils themselves and use them in everyday school life.” From class trips to going to the toilet: teachers are given everyday examples to explain how they should deal with pupils with gender identity issues.
The guide is published by the Department of Education and Sport of the City of Munich, in cooperation with the “Coordination Office for Equality of LGBTIQ*”, the Equal Opportunities Office for Women, and the Specialist Office for Democracy. The terminology of the LGBTQ lobby is adopted uncritically: Trans people are those whose gender does not correspond to the gender “assigned to them at birth, (...).” With this form of expression, trans activists suggest that biological gender is a subjective assignment, not a biological reality. The consistent replacement of “sexuality” with “gender” is also a pandering to ideology. Here, the English language is imitated, where instead of the biologically connoted “sex”, “gender”, reinterpreted as a sociological construction, is used to give the impression that gender is a matter of opinion.
A brazen partisanship for an ideology that not only lacks any scientific basis, but also blatantly contradicts biology and common sense. There is nothing left here of the ideological neutrality that should prevail in schools for good reasons. It lacks a scientific basis, but blatantly contradicts biology and common sense. There is nothing left here of the ideological neutrality that should prevail in schools for good reasons.
Instead of sensitizing teachers to the fact that vulnerable young people are confronted with an ideology and hype through social media that severely disrupts the development of a healthy relationship with their own body and gender during puberty of all times, they are presented with what appears to be a fait accompli: The guide flatly claims, “Assume that there are trans*, intersex and non-binary people at your school, possibly including among teachers, other staff or guardians, even if you don't know it.”
Really? We don't know how many people are actually affected. Even the “Deutsche Gesellschaft für Trans*- und Inter*geschlechtlichkeit e. V.” (dgti), which is one of the main players in the trans lobby in Germany, suggested a figure of 0.6% of the total population in 2021, which suggests that very few schools actually have transgender pupils.
On the other hand, students who are unsettled by influencers and lobby associations are becoming increasingly common - for which guides such as this one are partly responsible: The list of links, which is supposed to enable teachers to obtain further information, contains redirects to protagonists such as the diversity youth organization, whose supporting association is also a shareholder association of CSD Munich according to the imprint; the “Aufklärungsprojekt München e.V.” offers “educational events on sexual orientation and gender identity”: Through such influence, new “transpersons” can of course be generated among confused children, who are thus led without need onto a path of suffering that may have serious consequences.
This shows a complete lack of responsibility towards children and young people, who are being fed to a lobby whose disastrous work is already being increasingly criticized in other countries: The UK, for example, has distanced itself from its pioneering role with the closure of the infamous Tavistock Clinic, as has Sweden, where puberty blockers for children are now banned. In Germany, however, people want to have the bad experience themselves. The Self-Determination Act, which will come into force on November 1, and which prescribes an unprecedented denial of reality, casts its shadow ahead.
The “Demo for all” initiative has made the guidelines publicly available: it is calling for protests to be lodged with the Lord Mayor of the City of Munich - after all, transactivism is to be implemented in public schools under the radar of the public. The victims are children and young people, who should find a space in schools where they are protected from the influence of lobbyists and ideologues.
@ Dargo
Two things comes into my mind reading your two latest comment.
1. Not everyone of these Cirka 35 % and the hidden supporters of AfD, are Neonazis-Of course there are some percentage who is or support Nazism in the party or supporting the party.
2. clap clap bravo-If you knew how right you are. You could say that the right wing voters are the most naive voters-They swallow everything their beloved party promiss them. I have throughout the years been following some right wing parties and their supporters here in Denmark-So you are right when you wrote:
"Talking about migration, politicians are as reliable as a chocolate teapot. Especially the hardliners. Time after time, we hear them uttering harsh words about fewer immigrants, and never anything comes of it."
Markus
@ Dargo
Two things comes into my mind reading your two latest comment.
1. Not everyone of these Cirka 35 % and the hidden supporters of AfD, are Neonazis-Of course there are some percentage who is or support Nazism in the party or supporting the party.
2. clap clap bravo-If you knew how right you are. You could say that the right wing voters are the most naive voters-They swallow everything their beloved party promiss them. I have throughout the years been following some right wing parties and their supporters here in Denmark-So you are right when you wrote:
"Talking about migration, politicians are as reliable as a chocolate teapot. Especially the hardliners. Time after time, we hear them uttering harsh words about fewer immigrants, and never anything comes of it."
Markus
I am not saying the voters on the AfD are Nazis, they believe the wolf in sheep's clothing like they did before WWII.
I would go further than naive, I call it stupid if you vote the liars over and over in power never believe the election programs always verify their past deeds and treat every political promise a lie.
Skybird
09-27-24, 08:29 AM
I never said we should not let migrants in. What I say is that if you refuse to chose yourself, if you refuse to define the criterions by which you decide whom you let in (into your home, that is), and whom not, then you lose control over migration, and end up with what the left even deliberately want and dmand: totally undiscriminatory mass migration.
We let in too many we have no use for and who are net migrants into our social systems, they cost us more than they and the generation of their children and chikdren's children will attribute, ever. We in Germany do too little to steer and control migration, and choosing those whom we have need for. And those we let in, for them we make it as difficult as possible to fit in and be allowed to work. Thats why we have seen several "flushes" of migrants from a given single place, and after three, four years they mostly have voluntarily left again. Indians in Germany on my mind, there was hope they would ease our need for IT specialists. A few came, felt to not be welcomed, aldso were angry for the high taxes and madatory fees they had to pay, and they left again. Nobody speaks of Indian IT specialists in Germany anymore.
Instead we import the miserable and incapable, the uneducated and the outcasts in their own home places , and these we let in by numbers like a body tsunamy. Worse, we do not deport those who break our laws, who kill, rape, plunder and assault. We shy away from enforcing our laws and our order, af5raid ti be called racists if we would. The deportation quote we acchieve is PATHETIC, unexcusable. Its a bad joke.
It has been several times demonstrated by now that if you look at the cold hard numbers, the migration influx into Germany by netto value is a hige deficit for our social system stability, it costs us much, more more than these newcomers ever pay in. We have been lied to. At the same time the stability and integrity of the social system has not increased, but detoriated. Social peace is being actively destroyed. And so the natives turn angry. What wonder! How dare they...! They are not kind!
And maybe worst of it: like it or not, but peopel prefer to stay with their own kind, and the majority of Germans, the vast majority, does not want more and more streets, districts, towns, parts of Germany being turned into Africa or the Middle East. And these are such that partially not even the plcie dares ot enter such reigosn anymore, at least not if not going in with support by the hundreds.
Not only have we lost control - we actively do not want to get control. Because that would be considered to be "not nice". The Germans' biggest concern is to be seen as "not kind".
But the loss of control is everyhwere, not just in Germany. France is not in control of its Muslim migrant communities anynmore. The UK has tuned poltically insane as well over its Muslim migrants. The Swedes tried to stick their heads into the sand over their immense crime problems with Muslim migrants.
And we all do not have probelms with migrants in general. The migrants causing problems are always from the same places, are always of the same origin: they come from certainb oarts of Africa and the Midde East, and they are Muslim and have Islam in their suitcase. And where Islam is, the ugly hydra raises its many heads, and they become more and more. Brussle completely, completely ignores this. Admitting it would mean two things: that one is not nice and kind because one says how it is, and that one has messed things up and that chosen policies failed. But the EU does not fail. The EU is supreme, devine, superior and never erring. The EU is beyond failure. Its perfect superiority at work. :doh:
Seal the borders of Europe. Of course it can be done, wo says it cannot be done, lies. And then learn from how Australia and Canada, Japan and China do it.
Oh wait, that shall not be. It snot kind to do like them, becasue last but not least they implemnent force. Well, then live on with total loss of any control, and spiral into your doom, stupid Europe.
Facts still does not support this, the people that you want to keep out still are the minority of the whole migration in Europe and all that doom and gloom is also not needed the rules, laws are there so implement them there is no need to go for more laws, rules to control migration every European country has them and can enforce them. No need to blame others just doit but that they really do not want else they already solved this symbolic crisis years ago same goes for any newcomer moment they come into power they will fail for the same reasons.
Swedish fact:
Sweden is on its way to the lowest asylum influx in almost 30 years. Since the corona years, the number of migrants seeking asylum has been increasing in many countries, but in Sweden it is the other way round. Many of the plans are still on the drawing board, but what the government has already done is to relax the rules on family reunification. Many newcomers who have been granted asylum cannot bring their families over until they are financially independent and have sufficient income and housing. 2015, the then social democratic government intervened sharply. Residence permits were made temporary and family reunification more difficult. While Sweden took in 14 per cent of the EU total of asylum seekers every year from 2010 to 2015, in 2016 it was only 2 per cent. Meanwhile, it is 1 per cent.These are a series of interrelated measures. We have been very clear from day one that if you come here, you have to learn the language, be able to support yourself and respect Swedish values. We are also implementing stricter immigration laws. For instance, we have tightened the rules for family reunification and for obtaining Swedish citizenship. Thirdly, we are systematically tackling fraud and abuse and revoking residence permits if there are grounds for doing so. The latter is something that was not a priority for previous governments.Stenergard also announced this month that Sweden is seeing more people leaving than coming in for the first time in 50 years. What plays into it is that the government is having the population register cleaned up, so many people who had already left are now registered as emigrants. But even without that correction, Sweden is heading for a negative migration balance this year. An unusual development in a country where two million residents were not born in Sweden. In addition to lower asylum inflows, there are also significantly fewer labour migrants. In November last year, the government doubled the minimum salary for work visas to 2,400 euros.
Skybird
09-27-24, 10:06 AM
:03: And what has Sweden done in recent years...:hmmm:
They reversed their asylum and migration course of previous years. A step that the German government needs to do, but rejects to do. Practically all our neighbours have hardened their stanbce on border security and asylum and migration.
However, rapings, burglary, assaults, riots, knife crime committed by certain subgroups of migrants in Sweden (now wonder what subgroups that could be...) remains high. Swedish press in the recent two years repeatedly called it a loss of government and police control over the situation in parts of the bigger settlements in Sweden.
Dont expect Swedish politician to openly admit that.
Certain migrants subgroups mean troubles. But I never said anything different. I never said all migration means troubles. I always said: always the same certain subgroups meam troubles, while other subgroups, for example from Japan, Korea, India, or the US, the UK, Poland, Greece, Vietnam, Canada just fit in and cause no problems. A problem still can be the Balkan area that adds to the problem of clan crime that predominantly is in the hands of ME ethnicities. And clans from the southern-eastern European and Balkan area.
And if it were true that Muslim migration into Germany and Europe is a minority amongst all migration, then I wonder why almost all headlines on problems with migration always focus on these minority shares of total migration. They are hopelessly overrepresented. Either they are more than you are ready to admit, or they cause an awesome lots of troubles despite being a minoity.
Ah, I remember. Its the "Islamophobic bias". Now we know.
BTW, official federal German statistcs show that our uncontrolled migration influx is bigger than it was in the wake of Merkels desatrous deicison 2015. The situation is worse over here than it was 2015, 2016.
The Swedish right wing party Sweden Democrats are just like our own right wing parties-Saying what their supporters want to hear.
Furthermore taking action now is to late Most of the European countries have reached point-of-no-return-status.
The voters have only them self to blame.
Markus
Skybird
09-27-24, 10:58 AM
Yes, Europe is done, and will degenerate more and more over the coming decades. And yes, its the people's own fault to let this being done to them, and in their name. You voted - you have no right to complain abotu what you got then. I can only hope that the EU will face a serious uprise sooner or later that will destroy it, but that might come too late. That the Euro will collapse sooner or later I am certain of.
We should, have left it to a defence union (NATO), and a freetrade zone (basically the old EEU - European Economic Union). The securing of the borders is one of the very very few issues were I am willing to talk about tolerating the existence of a state structure, or a supranational, international state structure. Where state/suprastate fails to provide this border protection, it fails to provide the most important single reason for its own existence. Their claim to the loyalty of the citizens is then forfeited.
But the post-German-reunification EU always wanted to become a continental supergovernment of centralist and planned-economy design, and an enforced artifical surrogate culture from the ideology lab to replace the historically grown identities of the many peoples/tribes in Europe. This power-hungry claim is where all evil of the EU is coming from. Its gotta be stopped and deleted, else we all must end.
A defence union. A free trade zone. Nothing more. Everything beyond that should and must be left to bilateral agreements between neighbouring countries. Good neighbours we shall be. Not an enforced Borg collective.
And hell, get rid of this stupid continental currency union. The damage it has done borders the damage done by wars. To Germany - and to all others. You cannot press so very different economies into the same scheme. Thats why practically all currency unions that were attempted (and they were attempted by the dozens) with much fewer members and more equal economnies nevertheless always have failed after short time. They failed although their starting conditions were, compared to the EU 25 years ago, much more positive.
As I have mentioned a few times before I haven't voted since 2002. I came to the conclusion that the politicians are not to be trusted-Well this standpoint began a few years before that. So I have around 8-18 years of guilt for the situation we are in. I voted for the first time in - 85(I think it was)
Immigrant, refugees and foreigners-It's only the Muslim we having problem with.
And to make on thing clear-It's not every Muslim who behave badly. Maybe
3-5 % of them do.
Then we have a dark number in percentage, who want to exchange our law with sharia law.
Even now there's a discussion among the Politicians, expert on Islamic teaching and others whether the Danish law should be the one or if it should be part of the Sharia law which should decide if a woman have something to say in a divorce.
Markus
Skybird
09-27-24, 06:35 PM
In the city where I live, as of this week schools can only be supplied with vegan school meals. The catering service, which has to fulfill the contracts, refers to “official instructions” in this regard, which in their words it has to adhere to.
:timeout:
Frontal attack on the neurological and physical development of children and adolescents. I wonder whether the parents will make themselves heard. I hope this will not stand.
"Niemand hat die Absicht, Fleischessen zu verbieten." - Walter Ulbricht. Eh, wait, I seem to get something mixed up there....
Shadowblade
09-29-24, 11:10 AM
I see that it is wild out in Germany - 3rd explosion in 10 days in Cologne :
https://www-novinky-cz.translate.goog/clanek/zahranicni-evropa-kavarna-v-koline-nad-rynem-vyletla-do-povetri-je-to-treti-exploze-ve-meste-behem-deseti-dnu-40490335?noredirect=1&_x_tr_sl=cs&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Skybird
09-29-24, 11:21 AM
In the city where I live, as of this week schools can only be supplied with vegan school meals. The catering service, which has to fulfill the contracts, refers to “official instructions” in this regard, which in their words it has to adhere to.
I now learned why the authors of these "official instructions" want to enforce veganism in schools, it got reported in alternative media. And I couldn't believe my eyes when reading it.
They claim a correlation between meat consumption - and rightwing thinking.
Serious.
Correlation not only does not mean causation, this claim also ideologically and by anti-intellectual content ridiculous.
But of course it makes an awful lot of sense if somebody wants to ban meat consumption at any cost, no matter what.
The 7th Day Adventists claim raised sexual arousal if you eat meat, an increase of your libido. And they are even right with that, its a hormonal thing. Carnivores know that.
What comes next? Criminalising meat consumption because it turns people into rapists?
The stupidity in Germany is more than pandemic, its apparently already genetically inbred.
So diet makes Nazis. Okay, now we know. If only somebody would have given Hitler more chocolade when he still was small.
:dead:
Edit:
P.S. Hitler was vegetarian, btw, although his guests were served both vegetarian and meat dishes. At least diet was something he was not fanatical about. By his exmaple however its clear now that vegetarians are fascists. Jail all vegetarians while there still is time!
Shadowblade
09-29-24, 11:30 AM
banning the meat - it sounds like the stuff from Demolition Man movie:
“In this future, smoking is not good for you, and anything that is not good for you has been deemed illegal: alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat, bad language, chocolate, gasoline, un-educational toys, and anything spicy.”
- Lenina Huxley, Demolition Man, 1993
:o This is a scary read what Skybird wrote in his latest two post.
Even here they are forcing people to eat lesser meat like beef. What they have done is to decrease the amount in each package. Before it was 500 or 1000 gr. now it's 400 or 800 gr.
Markus
I see that it is wild out in Germany - 3rd explosion in 10 days in Cologne :
https://www-novinky-cz.translate.goog/clanek/zahranicni-evropa-kavarna-v-koline-nad-rynem-vyletla-do-povetri-je-to-treti-exploze-ve-meste-behem-deseti-dnu-40490335?noredirect=1&_x_tr_sl=cs&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
I say what happened in Essens is also unbelievable
A 41-year-old Syrian national wounded 31 people, including two children who were left in critical condition, in arson attacks on Saturday in the German city of Essen, according to police and media reports from Sunday morning.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-822321
These perpetrator or terrorist may come from different countries, nevertheless they have one common factor-Islam.
Markus
Shadowblade
09-29-24, 12:31 PM
yes, the Essen attack is insane. Different culture, different way to solve their problems.
Skybird
09-29-24, 03:19 PM
:o This is a scary read what Skybird wrote in his latest two post.
Even here they are forcing people to eat lesser meat like beef. What they have done is to decrease the amount in each package. Before it was 500 or 1000 gr. now it's 400 or 800 gr.
Markus
I assume that has more to do with hidden price rises.
I assume that has more to do with hidden price rises.
The Danish government have added an extra tax on beef from 2030(I think it was) They say that cows are responsible for a lot of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Edit
It haven't been decided yet, they are discussing it whether we have to pay more for the beef or not
End edit
They want the Danes to eat lesser beef and more pork or chicken.
Markus
Shrinkage inflation is the phenomenon where a producer reduces the content of a product, but continues to offer this smaller quantity for the same or a higher price. It is a form of disguised price increase.
Skybird
09-29-24, 04:00 PM
The Danish government have added an extra tax on beef from 2030(I think it was) They say that cows are responsible for a lot of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Edit
It haven't been decided yet, they are discussing it whether we have to pay more for the beef or not
End edit
They want the Danes to eat lesser beef and more pork or chicken.
Markus
Yes, thats more to the real news. Some countries even seriously consider to cull all their beef, cows and cattle, Ireland I think is leading this "movement", I think I heard Denmark is on this track, too. Clueless amateurs at work here. They know nothing about bio-ecology and how grass-feeding animals and soil quality interact. They will neither help climate nor improve soil quality if they reduce lifestock. In fact they inevitably make soil quality WORSE. Ypou want to imrove soil quality? Put cattle on the meadow, not too many, not too few. Especially not too many. Move the herds around, do not concentrate them.
Clueless dilettantes driven by infantile, childish fairytale ideology. Lacking education is dangerous. But meaning it well is not the same as doing it well.
Shadowblade
09-29-24, 05:52 PM
Shrinkage inflation is the phenomenon where a producer reduces the content of a product, but continues to offer this smaller quantity for the same or a higher price. It is a form of disguised price increase.
yeah, hidden price increase.
Like package of chips: 150g -> 140g and now 140g->130g
very stealthy, wondering where they will stop to shrink it. 10g?
Just saying. Ahum the Nazis were also a chaos party Hitler sad in the back let his gang war itself to do his bidding without ever giving an order, the holocaust worked like a train schedule because of the competition between the criminals.
Damn, That's just what the Democrat Party is doing here in America exactly, Joe Biden is layed back in his basement, and let his gang's commit war to do his bidding without ever giving an order,
Is it possible that the Democrat party are basement Nazis.? And they want to destroy the United States ?
Drago, You wouldn't happen to live in California would you.?
Skybird
10-03-24, 08:04 AM
Meaningful message on a tractor at the farmers' demonstration in Berlin in March 2024.
https://img.nzz.ch/2024/10/01/cea2f91d-e488-47b2-adb9-dd4db8f33a39.jpeg?width=1360&height=907&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=8192,5462,x0,y0
Shadowblade
10-06-24, 07:53 AM
I was just reading that teaching in German school is 'absolute hell'. And I am not surprised....
Absolute hell. The teacher described a typical day in a German school
https://www-novinky-cz.translate.goog/clanek/zahranicni-evropa-absolutni-peklo-ucitelka-popsala-bezny-den-v-nemecke-skole-40491837?noredirect=1&_x_tr_sl=cs&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=cs&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Meaningful message on a tractor at the farmers' demonstration in Berlin in March 2024.
https://img.nzz.ch/2024/10/01/cea2f91d-e488-47b2-adb9-dd4db8f33a39.jpeg?width=1360&height=907&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=8192,5462,x0,y0
What, am i looking, at ? Well hell, farmers in america, their wives and daughters, Have turned into your most online fantasy.Hey it's now becoming an American tradition. Yes white females,are a dime a dozen..And we know white men will throw themselves off of bridges. Just to unload their mental burden of
being white Right ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr3Ul9vZ8OA
Catfish
10-16-24, 01:12 PM
^ of course, also by Hungary's Orban. Throw the latter out of the EU, at least.
Jimbuna
10-17-24, 08:46 AM
^ of course, also by Hungary's Orban. Throw the latter out of the EU, at least.
I'm surprised this didn't happen last year.
I'm surprised this didn't happen last year.
Oh you dog.:up:: I like Viktor Orbán, Im sure he has a higher IQ ,He want's What's best for his country.! Where is your King ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr3Ul9vZ8OA
Young man, Sun To didn't piss off joe biden.:Kaleun_Cheers:
Oh you dog.:up:: I like Viktor Orbán, Im sure he has a higher IQ ,He want's What's best for his country.! Where is your King ?
His name is Jim and not some name calling.
Markus
Jimbuna
10-19-24, 08:54 AM
Oh you dog.:up:: I like Viktor Orbán, Im sure he has a higher IQ ,He want's What's best for his country.! Where is your King ?
Currently in Australia actually.
Rockstar
10-21-24, 06:49 AM
LOL Don’t agree with us then we will shut you up by banning your political party. Now that’s kind of democracy in action we haven’t heard since 1939.
Is history repeating with banning and silencing another party?
But why bother with just the AfD, tell them all to shut-up, ban all parties and leave just the correct one ordained by god and his holy angles with the ‘true’ democratic values, it is not like it is something unheard in the World. It’s frightening the extremes people will go to get others to shut-up.
A group of 37 German lawmakers has announced their intention to seek a ban on the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party.
These lawmakers represent 5% of parliament, the minimum required to advance their initiative to a parliamentary vote. If successful, the case will then go before the Federal Constitutional Court.
The lawmakers argue that the AfD poses a threat to Germany's democracy.
Marco Wanderwitz of the CDU warned of the dangers of allowing a party with extremist ties to gain power, citing the rise of the Nazi Party in the 1930s. He emphasized the need to prevent such a scenario from repeating.
Carmen Wegge, a member of the center-left Social Democrats (SPD), echoed these concerns, highlighting that democracy in Germany had been destroyed by democratic means in the past. She stressed the importance of learning from history to avoid a similar fate.
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.
Catfish
10-21-24, 08:06 AM
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.
Lol which is exactly what Hungary's Orban tries, just like Erdoghan :yep:
LOL Don’t agree with us then we will shut you up by banning your political party. Now that’s kind of democracy in action we haven’t heard since 1939.
Is history repeating with banning and silencing another party?
But why bother with just the AfD, tell them all to shut-up, ban all parties and leave just the correct one ordained by god and his holy angles with the ‘true’ democratic values, it is not like it is something unheard in the World. It’s frightening the extremes people will go to get people to shut-up.
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.The current version of the Basic Law (Grundgesetz) of 23 May 1949 is the constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/
Björn Höcke, leader of the AfD parliamentary group in Thuringia, must pay a €13,000 fine for using a banned Nazi slogan. This was ruled by a court in Saxony-Anhalt, where Höcke made the ruling in 2021. Two investigations are still ongoing against Höcke that could lead to lawsuits: one for using the same SA slogan in Gera (Thuringia) in December 2023. Then he put the slogan back on stage, but let the audience shout the last word. In January this year, he allegedly made inflammatory statements during a speech, also in Gera. The prosecution is also investigating that.
It was the meeting that nobody was ever meant to find out about. Back in November, high-ranking politicians from Germany’s far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) party, neo-Nazis, and sympathetic businesspeople gathered in a hotel near Potsdam. Their agenda? Nothing less than the fine tuning of a plan for the forced deportations of millions of people currently living in Germany. (https://correctiv.org/en/top-stories/2024/01/15/secret-plan-against-germany/)
Skybird
10-21-24, 10:39 AM
Dargo, the meeting in Potsdam and the scandal they made out of it, has completely collapsed. The - left-installed - investigator (=lobby) network “Correctiv” has now lost several lawsuits in which an accused CDU politician successfully defended himself against lies, defamation and false allegations, and either the Office for the Protection of the Constitution or the Ministry of the Interior (can't remember exactly) was also ordered to cease and desist. There was no case. There is an ongoing smear campaign. Thats two very different things.
You can certainly argue a lot against the AfD, but this example is very unfortunate and confirms the AfD's victim narrative and the AfD battle cry "Lügenpresse!"
There is currently at least one further lawsuit by the falsely denigrated CDU man against the ministry, as the latter is not complying despite a court order to cease and desist. It ignores the court's sentence, that is. A violation of the legal order of the state, that is. There is practically no doubt he will win this case, too.
And the AfD ? Grew out of this strengthened again.
Want to go after the AfD? Go ahead, but use better suited examples. This one is a "Rohrkrepierer", and two court sentences confirm it is. ;) Means the opinion police's gun exploded right in your face. Ouch!
His name is Jim and not some name calling.
Markus
Well here in the southern parts of the USA. Saying to someone "Oh you dog" is acknowledgement in conversation that can be construed as respect.
Well here in the southern parts of the USA. Saying to someone "Oh you dog" is acknowledgement in conversation that can be construed as respect.
Oh I didn't know that-Forget my comment.
Markus
Oh I didn't know that-Forget my comment.
Markus
It's all good. Markus
Currently in Australia actually.
The world is changing.
Well here in the southern parts of the USA. Saying to someone "Oh you dog" is acknowledgement in conversation that can be construed as respect.But we are in the subsim forum so do comply to subsim ethics not southern parts of the US ethics.
Rockstar
10-23-24, 05:30 PM
Well here in the southern parts of the USA. Saying to someone "Oh you dog" is acknowledgement in conversation that can be construed as respect.
Agreed though it may be heard as ‘dog’ by some. What you are trying to convey is normally written as ‘dawg’ Such as yo dawg, wazzup dawg, help me out dawg, you dirty dawg. Even when calling a dog we might say c’mere dawg. Look it up dawg it’s in the dictionary. :)
But we are in the subsim forum so do comply to subsim ethics not southern parts of the US ethics.
Do you want to elaborate on what subsim ethics are ? And how that works across all the geographical areas that members of subsim live in ?
Agreed though it may be heard as ‘dog’ by some. What you are trying to convey is normally written as ‘dawg’ Such as yo dawg, wazzup dawg, help me out dawg, you dirty dawg. Even when calling a dog we might say c’mere dawg. Look it up dawg it’s in the dictionary. :)
Well you have your way, and we have our way. I guess it depends.dawg, rather than dog, may be used to emphasise dialect.
Do you want to elaborate on what subsim ethics are ? And how that works across all the geographical areas that members of subsim live in ?https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_ad_hominem
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_ad_hominem
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language
Look, If i get out of bounds Neal or Jimbuna can Keelhaul me.:up: But not you.
Rockstar
10-25-24, 08:22 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong but this looks very similar to the way things operate over here. Certain members present a budget knowing full well that Social Democrats would not approve of . So those certain members attached to the budget bill the part about terror books’. To make it seem that’s what Social Democrats are voting against thereby making them out to be the bad guy for not passing the bill which is mainly about the budget.
EU politicians do NOT want to change terror textbooks
https://m.bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/judenhass-auf-dem-lehrplan-eu-politiker-wollen-terror-schulbuecher-nicht-aendern-671902dd50f74343c4c91ef5?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.b ild.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland-und-internationales%2Fjudenhass-auf-dem-lehrplan-eu-politiker-wollen-terror-schulbuecher-nicht-aendern-671902dd50f74343c4c91ef5
Textbooks that call for hatred and incitement are so important to the European Social Democrats that they even jeopardize the budget negotiations.
Actually a matter of course: After all, the EU has also committed itself to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, but Palestinian children have been indoctrinated for years with anti-Semitic incitement – in educational institutions and by teachers financed by the EU.
Herbst has therefore been calling for years for an adjustment of the teaching materials, otherwise the funding should be stopped and other aid organizations for Palestinians should benefit instead of the Palestinian Authority.
But above all the Social Democrats, many Greens and the Leftists, insist that Palestinian children continue to be educated to hate Jews: Herbst's motion became a hook to stop the entire resolution on the budget.
"The rejection of the entire budget resolution by the Social Democrats because of our motion against hatred and incitement in Palestinian textbooks is completely incomprehensible," Niclas Herbst told BILD.
This shows that parts of the EU Parliament are not about the matter and certainly not about the Palestinian schoolchildren, instead they act according to the motto: "The main thing is against Israel!"
"It is shameful that Social Democrats, the Greens and Volt, who always claim to defend fundamental rights, reject the removal of anti-Semitic content from a textbook," criticizes MP Moritz Körner (34, FDP). "This double standard is indicative and the underlying motive is worth questioning."
The cycle of hatred in the region can only be broken by "ending the doctrine of hatred".
Correct me if I’m wrong but this looks very similar to the way things operate over here. Certain members present a budget knowing full well that Social Democrats would not approve of . So those certain members attached to the budget bill the part about terror books’. To make it seem that’s what Social Democrats are voting against thereby making them out to be the bad guy for not passing the bill which is mainly about the budget.
EU politicians do NOT want to change terror textbooks
https://m.bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/judenhass-auf-dem-lehrplan-eu-politiker-wollen-terror-schulbuecher-nicht-aendern-671902dd50f74343c4c91ef5?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.b ild.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland-und-internationales%2Fjudenhass-auf-dem-lehrplan-eu-politiker-wollen-terror-schulbuecher-nicht-aendern-671902dd50f74343c4c91ef5Bild or Bild-Zeitung is a German tabloid newspaper
Bild or Bild-Zeitung is a German tabloid newspaper
Maybe so, What I wonder is Rockstar wrong ?
Markus
Skybird
10-25-24, 10:07 AM
Bild or Bild-Zeitung is a German tabloid newspaper
That like any other tabloid occasionally hits the correct marks.
The question is: are the raised claims true? Well, in this case: as far as I can tell, yes.
Shooting the messenger is unneeded. The message he carries is the relevant thing. As long as your real intention is not to discredit the message's content by implying the messenger inked said message himself.
Skybird
10-26-24, 07:32 AM
https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/meinung/focus-kolumne-von-jan-fleischhauer-fuer-die-linken-sind-alle-fleissigen-menschen-verdaechtig_id_260421037.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
In reality, the German welfare state functions like an institutionalized shell game. What is often overlooked in all debates is that 40 percent of your salary is gone before the tax office can even get hold of it. This tax is not called tax, but social security contributions, which admittedly sounds nicer, but amounts to the same thing.
The fact that most people have no idea that 40 percent of their wages are deducted is due to a accounting trick. Half of the deductions are simply shown as the employer's share. This makes it look on the pay slip as if the costs are shared. But of course that's nonsense. No employer has anything to give away. If there weren't 40 percent social costs, the gross wage would be correspondingly higher. 2400 euros would suddenly become 4000 euros. 4500 euros would suddenly become 7500 euros.
I would think that a state that collects a trillion euros in taxes a year has enough money. If in doubt, it can even afford a number of extravagances. If politicians still talk about an emergency, it is because they are throwing money out the window even faster than it is coming in through the door.
Skybird
10-28-24, 06:37 AM
Accoding to a paper VW will close 3 plants in Germany - at minimum, and lay off 30,000 in Germany. Wages of all other employees should get cut. It was known that something was in the making. But its bigger than assumed.
VW has 10 construction plants in Germany, and 120,000 employees. There are 10 plants and 120,000 employees in Germany.
Bravo Greens. Bravo SPD. Bravo EU. Your insanity is real people's misery. Your plans are real people's fall.
The self-inflicted German crisis is like Alien blood. It eats relentlessly through ecnomy layer for ecomnmy layer like a molecular acid and decomposes everything in its path.
Forget Germany.
Jimbuna
10-28-24, 08:56 AM
^ Sounds very much like what the new Labour government is going to do in the UK
Shadowblade
10-28-24, 09:01 AM
Accoding to a paper VW will close 3 plants in Germany - at minimum, and lay off 30,000 in Germany. Wages of all other employees should get cut. It was known that something was in the making. But its bigger than assumed.
VW has 10 construction plants in Germany, and 120,000 employees. There are 10 plants and 120,000 employees in Germany.
Bravo Greens. Bravo SPD. Bravo EU. Your insanity is real people's misery. Your plans are real people's fall.
The self-inflicted German crisis is like Alien blood. It eats relentlessly through ecnomy layer for ecomnmy layer like a molecular acid and decomposes everything in its path.
Forget Germany.
greendeal in action - to kill industry in Europe
Competition from China in particular now is cut-throat, China is capable of building electric cars that German carmakers cannot make at all. At a much lower price, it will be difficult for German brands to catch up with this technological gap. The Dieselgate scandal cost 30 billion euros and is a waste of money. In addition, VW entered electric driving far too late, making it increasingly difficult to compete with China. When it comes to electric driving, Volkswagen is not accessible to the middle class. If they only have cars that cost more than 30,000 or 40,000 euros, it becomes difficult to penetrate the market, there has to be a solution to that. The last 10 years have seen a huge gap in international competitiveness. And that is the fault of industry, not just politics.
There have hardly been any reforms in the last 10–15 years. The war in Ukraine has added to this, the energy crisis. Germany has focused too much on globalisation and old industries. That is the wrong focus in the world we live in today. Germany needs to transform itself into an economy of tomorrow, away from heavy industry and towards new technologies. The country must reduce its dependence on the rest of the world and focus more on the European market with its huge potential to allocate more money for necessary investments such as more investment in education, AI, infrastructure and less bureaucracy. The core industries that need to be secured and expanded are engineering, automotive, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, ICT and metal and electrical. There are also a number of promising future technologies for Germany including wind power, grid technology, heat pumps, heat generation from green electricity, hydrogen, industrial AI applications, robotics and health technologies.
One of the things that absolutely must be changed is the so-called Schuldenbremse, which almost prohibits the German government from running budget deficits. That makes no sense at all. As a government, why limit your own financial freedom?
Skybird
10-28-24, 04:10 PM
greendeal in action - to kill industry in Europe
Yes, that indeed is the intention by many ideologists in the Greens' camp. Not only have I pointed this out many times since years again and again, that the econmic damage done is deliberately wanted by certain circles of the Greens and lefties, but we know of many names that Habeck has brought into his inner circle that they expected these damages and social conflicts, and that they see them as costs for the wanted deindustrialization, and that they do niot care, see them as necessary sacrifices we have to make.
Please...?
Really, I say since years that the deindustrialization is the plan, is the goal, is what they want since many years. It all makes sense if you give up the idea that they did not forsee the results of their assumed incompetent policy, and start understand that the symptoms we see today are not random side effects, but their goal they aimed for. Then their policy all of a sudden makes an horrifying lot of sense.
Heck, I wrote something like that already in a scandalous school exam when I was 15 or 16, 1982 or 1983 I think, that is over fourty years ago! It got me into trouble with the principal and the ultra left teacher, and they demanded that my Mum came and picked me up so that they could lecture her on what went wrong with her education. My Mum defended me and let them run aground, ice-cold (Bravo Mum!). The principal grinned secretly, he was not that bad at all, was a bit in a dilemma. The teacher turned even angrier, but had to swallow her anger. I got an F for the exam paper and a D for the end note of that semester. Damn basterd, hope she is dead since long.
This long already I dispise the Greens. :03: Schlimmer als Hundekacke an den Schuhen.
Skybird
10-28-24, 04:33 PM
Competition from China in particular now is cut-throat, China is capable of building electric cars that German carmakers cannot make at all. At a much lower price, it will be difficult for German brands to catch up with this technological gap. The Dieselgate scandal cost 30 billion euros and is a waste of money. In addition, VW entered electric driving far too late, making it increasingly difficult to compete with China. When it comes to electric driving, Volkswagen is not accessible to the middle class. If they only have cars that cost more than 30,000 or 40,000 euros, it becomes difficult to penetrate the market, there has to be a solution to that. The last 10 years have seen a huge gap in international competitiveness. And that is the fault of industry, not just politics.
There have hardly been any reforms in the last 10–15 years. The war in Ukraine has added to this, the energy crisis. Germany has focused too much on globalisation and old industries. That is the wrong focus in the world we live in today. Germany needs to transform itself into an economy of tomorrow, away from heavy industry and towards new technologies. The country must reduce its dependence on the rest of the world and focus more on the European market with its huge potential to allocate more money for necessary investments such as more investment in education, AI, infrastructure and less bureaucracy. The core industries that need to be secured and expanded are engineering, automotive, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, ICT and metal and electrical. There are also a number of promising future technologies for Germany including wind power, grid technology, heat pumps, heat generation from green electricity, hydrogen, industrial AI applications, robotics and health technologies.
One of the things that absolutely must be changed is the so-called Schuldenbremse, which almost prohibits the German government from running budget deficits. That makes no sense at all. As a government, why limit your own financial freedom?
The Germans went for all e-mobility, and that was as stupid as was it suicidal, Germany in no way is prepared for that already, and will not be for many many more years to come. China and others did not give up other technologies like Germany did, China developes e-cars, but does not do them exclusively, so does Japan, Korea. They all are technology-open, Germany completely goes all in on unproven concepts and unproven technologies, without testing, experience and verification. That takes revenge. Energy costs three times a smuch as in other industrial nations, production is super-super expensive and the production goods are not competitive in their way too high selling prices, also the design and feature lists are such that Chinese people do not get attracted by German cars anymore. These cars by German brands are unaffordable for most ordinary families in Germany. The cars cost more in maintenance and repairs, much much more. They lose much of their value in very short time, if you want to resell them, you have to accept hurtingly high losses. Most e-cars in Germany are in the car fleets of companies - and they withdraw e-cars from their fleets for the listed reaons: they loose to much money with them.
For Germany, this all is a bullet-through-the-head policy.
They think and hope they still can catch the fleeing horses. I think they are wrong.
And the competition by China I do not even mention.
If I would need to buy a car now - at no cost would I buy a German. I would probably buy some Toyota, running on gasoline, one of those affordable models ranking so incredibly favourably in the comparison lists regarding damage probabilities. But I need none. Lucky me.
Forget Germany.
Could this be a helping hand to VW from EU ?
Going forward, electric cars produced in China will be subject to tariffs of up to 45.3 percent when imported into countries within the EU.
The EU Commission adopted this on Tuesday, writes Reuters.
The EU already has a ten percent tariff on Chinese electric cars.
Following an investigation into Chinese state aid, the EU countries decided earlier in October that up to 35.3 percent additional duties should be imposed on electric cars from Chinese factories.
https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/penge/eu-vedtager-ekstra-told-paa-elbiler-produceret-i-kina/10419660?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp
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Could this be a helping hand to VW from EU ?
https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/penge/eu-vedtager-ekstra-told-paa-elbiler-produceret-i-kina/10419660?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp
MarkusNot really, China will respond with its own import tariffs on European products trade wars have never resulted in a win. BYD Auto Co is building a factory in Turkey, so those electric cars are not from China and face it German cars are too expensive, so they have driven themselves out of the market for affordable cars.
Not really, China will respond with its own import tariffs on European products trade wars have never resulted in a win. BYD Auto Co is building a factory in Turkey, so those electric cars are not from China and face it German cars are too expensive, so they have driven themselves out of the market for affordable cars.
Same here in Denmark where you pay a lot for a new car Even here E-Cars from China is way cheaper than European ditto.
Markus
Volkswagen is caught in a perfect storm. Since the corona crisis, 500 thousand fewer cars are sold annually in Europe. Energy and raw material prices are rising because of the Ukraine war. China has changed from sales market to competitor. In 2019, Volkswagen sold 4.2 million cars in China; last year there were 3 million. Indeed, e-cars from Geely and BYD are taking European streets by storm. In 2022, car company Sixt, note from Stuttgart, bought as many as 100 thousand electric cars from Chinese BYD. Volkswagen has also made it a bit itself, they were living on big feet, Volkswagen is still making very good profits, the problems are a bit exaggerated. They need to slim down healthily, but that doesn't mean the place is closing down.
Skybird
10-29-24, 04:41 PM
Audi, part of the VW empire, will shut down at least one production plant in February, with 3000 employees.
Mercedes has demanded a penalty fee for drivers of gasline-driven cars, it should be used to compensate Mercedes and other German brands for losses from their e-car-exclusive portfolios since German customer do not want to buy neither e-cars (sales numbers have dramatically collapsed) in generla nor Geran e-cars ins pecial due to their very high prices and high follow-on-costs that ordinary employees and households simpyl cannot afford.
What do we learn? If the one product - ecars - that you offer without any alternatives is not wanted by customers, call for totalitarian measures and planned economy to force people to like what they do not like (and still could not afford). This will people terach how to like what they do not like, and buy what they cannot afford. :yeah:
A recent survey showed that a signfivcant part of German ecar customers sold their cars early again and refuse ti buy an ecar aagain. The disadvantages simply are that big. Its not just the high costs, but also the terrible range. Because ranges announced by car makers are blatant lies, calculating with half of these values, all too often even one third only in winter, is more realistic, it depends on the brand, model and market it was produced for. It gets worse with the long charging times (if you have a charging point in your vicinity). They say onb TV that it obly is about the bad chargign infrastruicre. They are wrong, that is just one of the reasons people turn away from ecars.
German brands have cimnjitted thnesleves to develope exclusively ecars only, no more gasolinbe.driven cars. Thats what now falls them on their feet. Asian car makers all produce - and develope! - technology-open, including combustion engine cars. Tnhats also true for China where the government has started a big initiative for favouring e-cars. But even Bejing is not so stubbornly prohibitve as Brussel and Berlin wnat to handle this issue.
In the end, reality will be smashing into ideology like an asteroid and make a pig's breakfast of delusional ideological megalomania. The EU policy of banning non-e-cars soon will not survive. And many other of its green agenda targets as well. They have lost all sense of proportion and realism. US and China will do their thing, and Africa, Asia, the Middle East and South America do not need to listen to their European master lecturers anymore.
Expensive or not-From 2030/35 there will not be allowed to produce new car with combustion engines. It will still be allowed to drive your car who runs on diesel or gasoline.
This mean you have to buy an e-car if you want a new car after 2030/35
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Expensive or not-From 2030/35 there will not be allowed to produce new car with combustion engines. It will still be allowed to drive your car who runs on diesel or gasoline.
This mean you have to buy an e-car if you want a new car after 2030/35
MarkusAround 2030-35 the US, Asia and Europa industry will transfer to electric, hydrogen. Nuclear and other renewable energy so production will cause that prices will go down. This is no transition only in Europe this is worldwide the industries already started so that will be the future already too much money is invested in that. It is like we have gone from sail to steam to fossil fuel propulsion, this can not be stopped any more. And if you missed that boat, no pity on you, that is how capitalism works.
Around 2030-35 the US, Asia and Europa industry will transfer to electric, hydrogen. Nuclear and other renewable energy so production will cause that prices will go down. This is no transition only in Europe this is worldwide the industries already started so that will be the future already too much money is invested in that. It is like we have gone from sail to steam to fossil fuel propulsion, this can not be stopped any more. And if you missed that boat, no pity on you, that is how capitalism works.
I think you are a bit wrong here. I believe e-cars will be more expensive than gasoline/diesel car have cost. As you wrote - 'that is how capitalism works' and a capitalist want money a lot of it.
Since there's no other option than buying an e-car the market can put the price they want and to fight cheap cars from China and the rest of the world, EU will add extra taxes on e-cars from these countries, so they cost more than an European e-car.
This is what I think.
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Skybird
10-29-24, 06:28 PM
Expensive or not-From 2030/35 there will not be allowed to produce new car with combustion engines. It will still be allowed to drive your car who runs on diesel or gasoline.
This mean you have to buy an e-car if you want a new car after 2030/35
Markus
That is the EU thinking. The plan will not hold together. ;) In fact pressure is already mounting on the central committee in Brussel to delay the dates, or scrap the whole plan.
And hydrogen, if at all, only will be used inbdustriually, in some lighttower projects. The chemical agent H2 simply is a terrible storage format for energy, and it will never find its way ito orivate ohusehold heating in large sclae, as they primised in Germany.
Having plans is nice. But working they must. This one's a dud. Any gaps caused by distortions and frictions ignored will be filled by the global competition, which is quite unfriendly and increasingly gives brown stuff for EU plans, ideas and intentions. The EU less and lesser is in a seat to dictate its demands to others in the so-called third world. Its also no cultural and philosophical centre anymore, but a dying cultural sphere, with rotting neurons. Its heavily depenbding on the improt of ressources, and will become increasingly dependant on produced items being imported as well. It will depend inbcraisnbgky in questions of wanted and unwanted migration, too. Its militarily impotent. It increasingly petrifies in overboarding bureaucracy, paralysing itself.
Reminds a lot of the end game of Rome.
Catfish
10-29-24, 07:03 PM
With ecars alone, it is just that you do not see the exhaust since it is beyond the horizon, in form of coal or other power plants.
The energy loss by electric line resistance over long distances is high, as well the rare earths for the batteries and solar cells are gained by abusing child labour in Africa.
Add this to the total energy bill to create an electric car with its plastic body (made of oil products) this whole thing is a waste of energy and not sustainable.
Hydrogen would be better, but again the energy needed to produce it has to come from somewhere, and it is unsustainable..
Ostfriese
10-30-24, 06:49 AM
With ecars alone, it is just that you do not see the exhaust since it is beyond the horizon, in form of coal or other power plants.
While this is technically correct, the same has to be taken into account with combustion engines. When you fill your tank from a pump at the filling station the petrol/gas/diesel already has produced emissions - about 30% of the amount the burning will produce, so usually a combustion engine’s car has a 30% higher emission rate than usually counted. If you count that for electric cars you have to count it for others as well.
Refining and cracking crude oil requires a lot of energy.
The energy loss by electric line resistance over long distances is high
Correct - but crude oil and its products need to be transported as well.
as well the rare earths for the batteries and solar cells are gained by abusing child labour in Africa.
This is misleading in many ways.
1) Critics of electric vehicles usually have no problems with rare materials production for other products, making them hypocrites.
2) Unless you want to return to hand ranks to start your engine combustion engines require a sizeable amount of rare earth metals as well - the startup engine (Anlasser) is an electric motor with a permanent magnet, usually neodymium based.
3) Lithium Cobaltate (III) based accumulators are already considered third rate. Current generation Lithium accumulators already require far less rare earth metals, and it’s very likely that the next generation of Lithium accumulators won’t require any typical rare earth materials anymore. Things will be even more interesting once sodium- or aluminium based accumulators hit the market.
Add this to the total energy bill to create an electric car with its plastic body (made of oil products) this whole thing is a waste of energy and not sustainable.
Correct, but once again it’s a problem that all cars share - so this is an argument against cars in general. In that regard cars don’t have a future in general (and that’s what really needs to be discussed).
Hydrogen would be better, but again the energy needed to produce it has to come from somewhere, and it is unsustainable..
Hydrogen has a very low density, and a car simply won’t be able to transport enough of it to achieve an acceptable range. Even if pressurised up to 700bar the amount won’t be anywhere near enough (and 700bar are a real technical problem, your average gas bottle is built for 200bar max. Making 700bar gas bottles shock resistant enough to survive your average accident impact while maintaining an acceptable overall mass of the vehicle is simply not possible).
Catfish
10-30-24, 12:43 PM
You are right, but hydrogen also diffuses through the walls of steel tanks (if slowly), so one solution could be those 'Brennstoffzellen', where you just produce the amount of h. that you need at the moment.
Plastics are also crude oil products, so it will not be possible to take this out of the equation entirely.
We have done some research on cumulative energy bilances and at least fo now this technology needs more energy and causes more pollution than a conventional car - if you argue with fuel consumption think of battery life and electronics maintenance when the car gets older than 4 years..
Hydrogen is particularly important for the process industry. It is now mainly used for the production of fertiliser, but in the future it can also be used for high-temperature processes such as steel production, for which natural gas or coal is now used. In addition, hydrogen will play a role in mobility and where electric driving is not a solution, the airline industry (by using synthetic kerosene aviation fuel), and long-haul transport (by operating on fuels made from hydrogen, methanol or ammonia). We need hydrogen for seasonal storage and for stability in periods of low wind and cloud cover. Hydrogen can be stored under pressure in existing salt caverns and empty gas fields. The European Union's aim is to install 40 GW of electrolysis capacity in the Union by 2030 and another 40 GW in North Africa. Countries such as Norway, Australia, Morocco, Chile, Saudi Arabia, China and Japan are very active with green hydrogen, mainly because there is considerable (potential) availability of cheap renewable energy from wind, solar or hydropower to produce green hydrogen. We in the Netherlands are in a good position thanks in part to our knowledge of gas and electrolysis technology, the great potential for wind energy in the North Sea and the energy-intensive industry we have enough empty gas fields so building hydrogen factories (Shell's Holland Hydrogen 1 (HH1) will have a capacity of 200 megawatts and will be fed with renewable electricity from the Hollandse Coast North wind farm, which Shell built together with Eneco.) that will deliver it to our heavy industry and export. Our railway is already running +90% on renewable energy if those hydrogen factories running we will go to 100% we also gone use it for heating our cities.
Skybird
10-31-24, 11:48 AM
[Tichys Einblicke] The Ides of November take place on the 15th and 16th. Following a certain tradition, the traffic light [coalition] could be murdered on this day. If the coalition does not agree on a budget that complies with the “debt brake” after November 14, the day of the “adjustment meeting”, the FDP will leave the federal government. The reason for the exit is perfect: as Finance Minister, Christian Lindner cannot accept the adoption of a questionable budget with high debt financing.
The FDP is already putting forward candidates for the Bundestag elections, which are not due to take place until September. These candidates are being prepared by the party leadership to be ready for the election campaign earlier. On March 2. This is when Hamburg elects its parliament. The leadership sees this date as suitable for holding an early election at the same time.
It is unclear whether the SPD and the Greens will play along with these plans. On the one hand, they have the option of agreeing to the FDP's conditions for tactical reasons and adopting a budget that adheres to the “debt brake”. FDP leader Christian Lindner would then be forced to continue swallowing red-green toads. The SPD and Greens could still push through their projects and cover them later, for example in the summer of 2025, with a supplementary budget. This would fall on Finance Minister Lindner's feet during the election campaign, which would then definitely be underway.
Secondly, Olaf Scholz cannot simply be voted out of office. In a constructive vote of no confidence, a majority in the Bundestag would have to explicitly agree on another candidate. Without votes from the SPD and Greens or the AfD, this would not be mathematically possible. After a failed vote of confidence, Federal President Frank-Walter Steinmeier (SPD) would have to decide whether the Scholz government is still capable of acting. So even if the FDP recalls its ministers from the government and no longer supports the coalition in votes, there is a good chance that Scholz could remain in office.
Skybird
11-06-24, 11:39 AM
German media started rumouring that the coalition government will collapse this evening.
The timing with the election result in the US is no coincidence, they hoped for Harris and did not make a plan B. The budget for 2025 is disputed and includes an official deficit of 10-12 billion, more realistically counted 45-50 billion. They cannot agree. With the Saint coming marching in :D, they probably see no future anymore.
But maybe little Olaf is just afraid that he'll have to shake big Donald's big dirty hand. :haha:
https://www.focus.de/politik/tag-der-entscheidung-alles-ist-vorbereitet-hinweise-mehren-sich-dass-die-ampel-noch-heute-abend-platzt_id_260457432.html
Catfish
11-06-24, 11:58 AM
^ not sure this will happen, "Focus" after all.
But if, who shall take over this mess. Sarah Wagenknecht and Alice Weidel?
Ostfriese
11-06-24, 12:13 PM
^ not sure this will happen, "Focus" after all.
But if, who shall take over this mess. Sarah Wagenknecht and Alice Weidel?
I bet someone here would like that.
Catfish
11-06-24, 12:25 PM
AfD 17
SPD 16
Grüne 11
BSW 6
CDU 34
:hmmm:
Skybird
11-06-24, 02:21 PM
BILD reports finance minister Linder (FDP) just suggested to Bubble Olaf that he should clear the path for snap
elections at the beginning of the next year.
Skybird
11-06-24, 03:11 PM
It seems the coalition government is history.
The media report that Scholz has spoken to the Federal President on the phone that he will dismiss the Finance Minister and wants to call a vote of confidence in January. There should be new elections in mid-March.
The only question is: why not earlier? Answer: because the SPD and the Greens know that they would be shot down in new elections.
Three years too late. This coalition never should have existed from all beginning on.
BILD reports finance minister Linder (FDP) just suggested to Bubble Olaf that he should clear the path for snap
elections at the beginning of the next year.No surprise he said that "Olaf Scholz sacked his vice-chancellor and finance minister Christian Lindner at the government crisis meeting." :D
Skybird
11-07-24, 06:45 AM
Didn't I always say between the lines that this one has an absolutely inferior character? It was not without reason that I only met him with disgust, abhorrence and ridicule. Dishonorable, brutally egoistical, know-it-all, incorrigible, unreasonable, stubborn to the point of insanity, blasée and rightous to the max. Even his departure is reminiscent of the smell in the fields when they are fertilized. And it has been like this since the beginning of his political "career", in all the functions and offices he has held. Its always the others. Itzs never himself. Himself, he is the brightest, the finest, the greatest there ever was. He is like Trump.
https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/deutschland/kommentar-von-wolfram-weimer-versuchter-verfassungsbruch-die-tricks-des-egoisten-scholz-sind-ein-skandal_id_260459680.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Repeated attempts to violate the constitution.
Incitement to violate the constitution.
Political delay in bankruptcy.
Massive damage to Germany.
Party conspiracy against the German people, who are suffering from all this.
Disgusting.
And he wants to stay until mid-March...? Serious now...??? With no majority? This should run on for another four months...???
Legal situation is like this: he could ask for a confidence vote right away, right now, its legally absolutely possible. The vote could be held within days, too: next week. There could be early elections in early January.
Wenn's dem Hohen Arsch beliebt, natürlich.
Jimbuna
11-11-24, 08:53 AM
Kremlin awaiting first move from Germany after hints from Scholz
No signals have as yet been received from German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on resuming dialogue with Russian President Vladimir Putin, despite indications on the German side, Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov said in Moscow on Monday.
"If they say that signals are coming, then we will have to wait for them. To date there have been none," Peskov said. The Kremlin has repeatedly confirmed its willingness regarding dialogue between the two leaders.
Speaking to German public broadcaster ARD on Sunday, Scholz said he wished to hold talks with Putin in the near future, but would not do so on his own. Talks with other leaders were needed beforehand, Scholz said.
On Thursday, Putin repeated that he was open to talks with Western leaders, but that he could not pick up the phone first, since it was they who had broken off contact.
Scholz last spoke by phone with Putin in December 2022 to call for a diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine and the withdrawal of Russian troops following the full-scale invasion of February that year.
Peskov said that the Kremlin was observing a certain nervousness in the West following the victory of Donald Trump in the US presidential elections but that it was premature to speak of changes in European positions.
"But there are official explanations from European representatives referring to a continuation of their general line of providing all kinds of support. And in plain Russian, that means pumping weapons into Ukraine to continue this war to the end," the Kremlin spokesman said.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/kremlin-awaiting-first-move-from-germany-after-hints-from-scholz/ar-AA1tSHxY?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=2752dae5673d4abe940b9dd95d5bb842&ei=15
Skybird
11-13-24, 05:02 AM
After VW and Audi, now Ford Germany hits rock bottom, and has announced it will go to short-time work. The production of several e-car models is to be stopped compeletly.
Mercedes and BMW are in troubles as well, so is Porsche. All six suffer from the same vulnerabilies: they wanted to go all-exclucively e-car early. But Germans now almost boycott e.cars, every third to every fourth e-customer says he would, never buy an e-car again, that bad and costly the experiences are. German-made e-cars are way too costly for the German average consumer market. Owner wanting to sell their used e-car get hit by enormous value losses surpassing anything you are used to from conventional cars - if they find buyers, many professional car traders refuse to buy used ecars anymore. Repairs and maintenace services are extremely cost-heavy. On the Chinese market all German brands have completely missed and ignored the demands for features and luxury typical for the Chinese taste - even Mercedes.
If they do not go back to conventional cars, that was it for the German car industry. They underestimated the Japanese when they arrived with their first Toyotas in the 70s. They now underestimate again the Chinese. We know how the story with Toyota ended. If I would need to buy a car, it would likely be a Toyota. And certainly no German brand at all - zu zickig.
Skybird
11-13-24, 11:31 AM
Two days ago, in the middle of the current dark doldrums, which are causing electricity prices to explode and a rich increase in CO2 from coal, a functioning power plant, Moorburg, was blown up. A hydrogen production plant was to be built in its place.
The planned H2 producer's managing company filed for insolvency today. :har:
Incidentally, Moorburg was considered the most modern and one of the lowest-emission coal-fired power plants in the world.
Irrenhaus Deutschland, 2024 A.D.
Jimbuna
11-13-24, 11:40 AM
Sound like our respective countries are blighted by similar politicians :o
Catfish
11-13-24, 12:46 PM
^ Got to love politicians .. german early elections now planned for february, 23rd 2024.
Scholz plans to be the SPD candidate again, i wonder what else fantasies he may have :doh:
As candidates there are now CDU's Merz, SPD's Scholz and The Greens' Habeck. I guess the SPD even had a chance if they'd only propose Mr. Pistorius for the job.
The free liberals of the FDP will probably not enter the Bundestag again.
AfD and BSW's leaders are a real pita :nope:
Skybird
11-13-24, 02:37 PM
and The Greens' Habeck.
... only if he makes it back home in time... :D
:har: How many times is that now?
Catfish
11-13-24, 02:47 PM
^ Lol maybe someone tries to prevent a comeback :03:
Skybird
11-13-24, 02:49 PM
Maybe they should consider to buy Boeings instead of Airbusses.
Ah wait.... I forgot...:har:
After VW and Audi, now Ford Germany hits rock bottom, and has announced it will go to short-time work. The production of several e-car models is to be stopped compeletly.
Mercedes and BMW are in troubles as well, so is Porsche. All six suffer from the same vulnerabilies: they wanted to go all-exclucively e-car early. But Germans now almost boycott e.cars, every third to every fourth e-customer says he would, never buy an e-car again, that bad and costly the experiences are. German-made e-cars are way too costly for the German average consumer market. Owner wanting to sell their used e-car get hit by enormous value losses surpassing anything you are used to from conventional cars - if they find buyers, many professional car traders refuse to buy used ecars anymore. Repairs and maintenace services are extremely cost-heavy. On the Chinese market all German brands have completely missed and ignored the demands for features and luxury typical for the Chinese taste - even Mercedes.
If they do not go back to conventional cars, that was it for the German car industry. They underestimated the Japanese when they arrived with their first Toyotas in the 70s. They now underestimate again the Chinese. We know how the story with Toyota ended. If I would need to buy a car, it would likely be a Toyota. And certainly no German brand at all - zu zickig.All German car brands got great deals from the Chinese government to build car manufactories in China after a couple of years they copied the German car manufacture and invested big in it result the Chinese harbors are packet to the full of cars ready to flood world markets cheap. Even with a 100% tariff, they still affordable for middle class people.
Skybird
11-14-24, 01:09 AM
[NZZ] The fact that from a liberal perspective there is no need to shed a tear for the failed traffic light government led by Chancellor Olaf Scholz was once again brought to the attention of the German public in the Bundestag this Wednesday. In a government statement that was delivered energetically but failed to recognize the seriousness of Germany's economic situation, the outgoing Chancellor showed no concept of how he intends to lead the stagnating country back to success.
Instead, he made general appeals for solidarity and warned against division - and blamed others. Scholz thus rehashed his story that the liberal Finance Minister Christian Lindner left him no choice but to fire him last Wednesday and thus destroy the traffic light government.
Finally, Lindner refused to agree to a suspension of the debt brake. But that would have meant that the necessary aid for Ukraine would have led to cuts in pensions or social assistance. Ultimately, this would be an economic stimulus package for extremists and populists, the Chancellor concluded, thereby making an implicit accusation against Lindner.
Quite apart from the fact that the transparent domestic political instrumentalization of Ukraine aid is shameless and that the Chancellor ultimately called on Lindner to violate the constitution, this accusation falls back on Scholz. Because no one has benefited more from the policies of his unprecedentedly unpopular government than Germany's political fringes.
It was therefore not surprising that the Christian Democratic opposition leader Friedrich Merz turned the ball Scholz had put in front of his goal into a goal. The Chancellor is the one responsible for the division in Germany, Merz said to Scholz.
Above all, however, the appeals to social cohesion made by Chancellor Scholz are codes for tough redistribution policies and unbridled borrowing. The fact that the SPD believes it can successfully appeal to German voters at the end of February with this political offer is one thing. But doing this on a day when the so-called economic experts are predicting only minimal growth for the country in the coming year is another matter and shows how out of date the concepts of the Chancellor and the SPD are.
The ousted Finance Minister Lindner therefore gave Chancellor Scholz the right answer in his response: it is not the zero-sum logic of redistribution that will help Germany, but only growth, prosperity and jobs for all.
Unlike during the long years of the grand coalition under Angela Merkel, a future Chancellor cannot simply build on a growing economy, but must first painstakingly create the conditions for one.
And both the FDP and the Union have presented serious concepts. At their core, both are concerned with unleashing the German economy. The necessary measures for this are cutting back on bureaucratic proliferation and a different energy policy that does not rely solely on the power of wind and solar power. At the same time, the debate in the Bundestag showed how difficult it will be to implement this program politically.
There will be no clear majority in the future government for the fundamental changes in direction outlined by the Union and FDP. The reason for this is the German proportional representation system, but also the strength of the AfD, with which nobody wants to work. A presumed Chancellor Merz will therefore probably have to implement his far-reaching reform plans with one or more of the previous traffic light partners.
With the FDP, if it makes it into the Bundestag, there is undoubtedly the greatest overlap. However, as of today, a majority is a long way off for the two parties.With the SPD and the Greens, on the other hand, the problems that have led to insoluble tensions in the traffic light government would once again reveal themselves under different circumstances.
There would then be a Chancellor who at least has a realistic picture of the actual situation. But whether he can then convince his partners of this is the big question.
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No, that is no question. The CDU, now roaring and jumping like a tiger, will turn red-green-woke, I am confident to almost guarantee that. It will land as a carpet, therefore. Germans will vote CDU - and get a contitnuaiton of the red.-green.-woke agenda and policy there is right now and is at the EU top level.
You can take me by my word.
A first omen already is that the CDU agreed to have elections just in loate February. If the no cinfidnce vote would, have been held yesterday, the German president would have had a maximum of 21 days to dissolve parliament, and then the constitution demands that elecitons must be held 60 days thereafter at the latest. That, all in all, would have been mid-to end of January. Scholz wanted elections even not before mid-march, originally, three weeks later than now. Merz, this great Männele with the tiger voice and the land-like-a-carpet ability, had no reason to agree to mid February. No other reason at leats than that him and the SPD negotator are said to be close friends.
You must fear the worst. After the election will be like before the election. There are no alternatives to the current mess as long as AfD gets ruled out, it is the on ly power option avialable to the CDU thsat doe snot force it under the green-red-woke spell. After the election will be like before the election.
And who knows how long they negotiate coalition terms after mid February. We have no government in Germany furm now until then, and we already had none worth the term in past months and years. The last budget one year ago was ruled out by the Federal High Court. The current one again bases on violating the constitution.
Summary: nothing an no bettering is to be expected form the next government next year. As long as the AfD is ruled out as a coalition partner, every voter will just get more green-red-woke. Thbe CDU voter will ge tthat. The AfD voter will get that. and the green and red voter will get that.
The "Brandmauer" (=firewall against the AfD) has made the whole election pointless and paralyses every democratic movement taking place. Vote whatever you want - you always will get more green-red-woke. There is no hope to escape from this nightmare. Its like this since at least 20 years.
Skybird
11-14-24, 01:15 AM
^ I am following Trump's cabinett building with some interest. He has assigned quite some people who are very critical of Germany. I hope he/they will hit Germany right on its big mouth, with full power. It seems Germany desperately needs to get beaten up by a hard reality that has lost it patience with this nation-wide mental asylum Germany has been turned into.
I shall find it most amusing. :arrgh!:
Jimbuna
11-17-24, 07:32 AM
Funeral in Berlin: Scholz pulls the plug on his coalition
As Europe digested the US election result last week, three leading figures of the German government were holding crisis talks in Berlin, said The Economist. But Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck and the finance minister, Christian Lindner, weren't discussing how best to respond to Donald Trump's proposed tariffs or the likely US stance on Ukraine: "they were deciding whether to blow up their fraying coalition.
Barely 12 hours later, it was all over – and how." In a "blistering speech", Scholz eviscerated Lindner, who leads the pro-business Free Democrats (FDP), for his "incomprehensible egotism" and promptly fired him. The three parties that made up the "traffic-light" coalition that took office in 2021 – Scholz's Social Democrats (SPD), the FDP and the Greens – had lost patience with each other long ago, but this was the final blow. Scholz has brought "one of the most unpopular governments in modern German history" to an "ignoble end".
Not before time, said Jan Schäfer in Bild (Berlin). Far from tackling Germany's major problems, from its stagnant economy to its failing asylum policies, the coalition "led the country into an even deeper mess" with its meddling and infighting. To be fair, the origins of the economic mess should be traced to the failure of former chancellor Angela Merkel, said Wolfgang Münchau in The Times: it was she who allowed the economy to become over-reliant on a few industries like cars and chemicals; dependent on Russia for gas; dependent on China for exports. It was she who allowed Germany to fall far behind in digital tech; it now has one of Europe's worst mobile phone networks, and many shops "still only accept cash".
The economic crisis may be of long standing, said Alexander Marguier in Cicero (Berlin), but Scholz is to blame for "the deepest political crisis since the founding of the Federal Republic". He tried to force Lindner to suspend the constitutional rules that limit the size of Germany's deficit in order to facilitate help for Ukraine, knowing Lindner wouldn't agree: then he sacked Lindner when he baulked. Scholz's lame-duck minority government will now have to soldier on until snap elections, called for early 2025.
And each of the coalition parties is likely to come a cropper in these elections, said Nette Nöstlinger on Politico (Brussels): Scholz's SPD is polling at a miserable 16%; the FDP and Greens are doing even worse. All three face growing challenges from both the hard-left populist Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance, and the far-right AfD. But it's Friedrich Merz, of the centre-right Christian Democrats (CDU), who's likely to be Germany's next chancellor, said Josef Kelnberger in Süddeutsche Zeitung (Munich). We can only hope he will rid the country of its new reputation as the "sick man of Europe", and offer real leadership at a time when the EU confronts the prospect of a second Trump presidency and a surge in support for the far-right.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/funeral-in-berlin-scholz-pulls-the-plug-on-his-coalition/ar-AA1ueys4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=821191428c1a443a8b9bbf541c1d0473&ei=18
Skybird
11-17-24, 08:29 AM
^ They all just organize theater. And they all put their party interests before the interests of the nation, the people and the economy.
Richard von Weizsäcker, and one cannot quote him often enough: "The political parties have taken the state as their prey."
https://bilder.deutschlandfunk.de/FI/LE/_2/af/FILE_2afdd45fd6da92db9b6d9d832ddcc1fe/2423645-jpg-100-1920x1080.jpg
Political parties should be banned. Only individual, non-organized persons should be eligible to be elected and enter parliaments. Party foundations or secret structures of this kind should be treated as a conspiracy against the state and the people. Candidates should be obliged to be as transparent as possible about their professional status, connections and past. The number of terms is limited to two or three. The lifelong profession of “politician” is banned. Only those who are over, say, 30 or 35 years, have completed vocational training and have worked in this profession and have a certain minimum of life experience (and oreferrably had some resonsibility they were held accountable for) may run for office. Ministers and similar positions must have professional experience in the field over which they preside. A change from the civil service or politics to business or vice versa is only possible after a longer waiting period.
Business and special interest group lobbying should be denied access to political and legislative decision-making processes. They influence politics in the same way any voter does: by giving a ballot at elections, not more.
Recipients of state aid, may it be wellfare may it be unemployment aid, and civil servants of all kinds should be denied any right to vote. The same goes for prisoners. Civil servants do not pay taxes - they get paid taxes, so there you have a profound conflict of interest. Specific basic and human rights apply in prison, yes, but not civil rights that do influence the organization of the state, legislation and the community. You are not a citizen when you are a prisoner - you are a prisoner, becasue you werwe found to be an offender. To nevertheless treat you with human decency in prison, is the responsibility of the state - not your natural right. You regain full citizenship when you get released.
Dual citizenship is not an option. You have to decide which country you want to belong to, you can't have two. If you want to live here, you can't feel that you belong there. Live where you feel you belong. But then please do both consistently. Ergo: no dual citizenship.
Catfish
11-17-24, 11:11 AM
I did not expect you to be a monarchist :03: :O:
"Decide which country to belong to". Before WW1 you did not even need a travel pass or identity card, and lots of people migrated to the US, to Germany, everywhere.
Nothing against identity or cultural values, but the concept of "nation states" is what started all this military and war mess, and it only began 200 years ago.
https://www.europeansources.info/record/the-concept-of-the-nation-state/
Skybird
11-17-24, 11:44 AM
No, territorial feuds and religious feuds and economic feuds you have had since millenia. What is new in the mdoen era i sthe industruilaization of the killing. Which does not mean that the wars before could not get some impressive bodycounting done on their behalf, too, killing up to one quarter of the European population.
And what in the post before is "monarchistic"?
Catfish
11-17-24, 12:43 PM
But before, nations did not necessarily include certain cultural values or some code how to behave, instead culture and such wrote a completely different map of "borders". Like jewish culture in the then german regions of eastern Europe.
This is still true in Russia or Africa, where in the latter tribal structures and the general view of things have nothing to do with the artificial borders that have been drawn by some colonial powers, or by their own african warlords - e.g. Hutu and Tutsi.
"The coupling of nation with state also led to the development of one of the most powerful political forces of the modern world: nationalism. Nationalism has had the power to dissolve empires and to liberate peoples but also to develop into Nazism, fascism and an imperialism which led to two great wars in this century and many smaller wars bringing death and injury to millions of people."
https://www.europeansources.info/record/the-concept-of-the-nation-state/
Skybird
11-18-24, 07:01 AM
All seem to expect that in the vote of no confidence against Scholz, all parties except the SPD and Greens will vote against Scholz. Then within 21 days the president must dissolve the parliament, and then within 60 days new elections must be held.
But what if the AfD, just for fun, votes FOR Scholz? :D Just so to enjoy the mess the create this way, and anger the others?
Then the Brandmauer, the firewall, against the AfD all of a sudden has seized to exist, and SPD, Greens and AfD would have voted together. To the disgust of the SPD and the fury of the CDU.
So, if the SPD wants to be sure, they must vote against their own chancellor, too. Whom they claim to still be their chancellor candidate.Or the Greens.
What a royal PITA for the SPD if the AfD does this!
And btwm, I am quite confident that if there will be elections, scholz will not be the SPD candidate. The resistence against him within the party is slowly and powerfully erupting, he will be kicked since he is too full of himself as if he would voluntarily step aside. He will enter history books as the most ridiculous, pitiful carricature of a chancellor ever. However, his liekly repalcement Oscar Pistorius, imo is just a blender, and there are some things form his past career that raise my suspicions about him, he is good in talking and posing, but imo its all just blinding. Nevertheless he is very popular with the people. But in the SPD, he is not, since for their standards he is way too "non-left".
Skybird
11-19-24, 06:38 AM
More and more people in the SPD are playing the swan song to Scholz. He is finished. Their candidate will be Pistorius.
Bad news for Merz (former CDU), winning the elections will be harder against Pistorius who now is Germany's most popular politician.
Skybird
11-19-24, 10:34 AM
Germany's supreme "Schlumpf", the little Bubble-Olaf, behaves utmost disgusting once again.
[Die Welt] The news from Rio de Janeiro is likely to have brought cheer to the Hamas leaders in their terror tunnels. In the final declaration of their summit meeting, the heads of state and government of the 20 major industrialized and emerging countries expressed their concern about the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip. Humanitarian aid must be urgently expanded and the protection of the civilian population must be strengthened. The G20 states also reaffirm the Palestinians' right to self-determination and declare their “unwavering commitment” to a two-state solution.
However, the cause of the war in the Middle East is completely concealed. Hamas' terrorist attack on Israel on October 7, 2023 is not mentioned at all. Before the summit, it was still being said in German government circles that such a possible outcome of the negotiations would not be acceptable. Now Chancellor Olaf Scholz has accepted the perpetrator-victim reversal after all.
A fundamental principle of German foreign policy was sacrificed in black and white in the final declaration because Olaf Scholz did not want to spoil the G20 summit party on the Copacabana for his friend, Brazilian President Lula. If the Chancellor took Israel's security seriously as a German reason of state, he would have had to refuse his consent to the final declaration.
Precisely because the final paper is primarily symbolic in nature, Olaf Scholz has missed the opportunity to send a powerful signal of support for Israel with his rejection.After all, Israel is not only defending itself, but is also fighting against the Islamist terror that also threatens Germany.However, the German delegation in Brazil merely shrugged its shoulders.
The final declaration is not only bitter for Israel, but also for Ukraine. The Russian war of aggression is not explicitly condemned by a majority of countries.This was different at the G20 summit in Bali two years ago.At that time, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was also invited, but this time Ukraine was not allowed to sit at the table.Germany's efforts to secure an invitation came to nothing.
This is a diplomatic victory for Russia, which is not even mentioned in the passage on the war against Ukraine.Only a general reference to the “human suffering and the negative additional effects of the war” is included, for example on food supplies and energy security.
The Federal Chancellor emphasizes that he has found “strong words” in the circle of the big 20 in connection with the war in Ukraine.
US President Joe Biden, on the other hand, has taken strong action.
His authorization to launch American missiles from Ukraine into Russian territory is more than symbolic politics.It is a powerful reaction to the deployment of North Korean soldiers on the Russian side, tolerated by China, which represents an international escalation of the war.
Olaf Scholz, who otherwise always stood shoulder to shoulder with Joe Biden, continues to refuse to supply Ukraine with the Taurus cruise missile and refers to his “principles”.What the Chancellor, who has been badly hit domestically, wants to make look like geopolitical prudence is in fact probably also an election campaign tactic.He wants to score points as a “peace chancellor”.
The fact that Scholz supports the scandalous final declaration from Rio de Janeiro with regard to Ukraine and Israel therefore fits the picture.The document ruthlessly reveals the current weakness of the Western community of values. The authoritarian states around Russia and China have asserted themselves on the global political stage.The final declaration from Rio is a disgrace.
Jimbuna
11-19-24, 12:31 PM
Once again we are both in full agreement and I'll pair our PM with your Chancellor.
Skybird
11-21-24, 03:43 PM
More and more people in the SPD are playing the swan song to Scholz. He is finished. Their candidate will be Pistorius.
Bad news for Merz (former CDU), winning the elections will be harder against Pistorius who now is Germany's most popular politician.
I was wrong.
Pistorius has just declared himself in an open speech, in which he said that he would in any case reject the candidacy, renounce it, not want it, say no. This clears the way for Bubble Olaf, it seems.
Babble Olaf has approval ratings of around 20 percent, with a downward trend, while Pistorius has over 60%. This puts Scholz in last place in a list of the 20 best-known politicians in Germany. Pistorius has even higher approval ratings than Merz (CDU), and tops this list. Not that I'm a fan, I think Pistorius is a phoney. I can only wonder. Unless, of course, Pistorius indeed simply has no personal desire for the job. That's the only reason that makes sense to me. He is 67.
It doesn't matter - if the SPD loses the election to the CDU, it will probably enter into a grand coalition with the CDU, and then we'll have another four years of Merkelian mildew covering the country and suffocating everything.
So, even for the next four years don't count on Germany at all.
Will there be any major changes in your policy if Pistorious become the new leader?
Markus
Skybird
11-21-24, 05:47 PM
No.
One has to understand this. Any coalition possible without the AfD will result in always the same green-reddish lefty mess. The CDU makes no diofference, even if they become the strongets party, they will turn into the colour of their oclaition partner, its the onyl way fo rthem to secure the chancellor office. and of their coaltiion power is SPD or is the Greens, both oarty will let them bleed and demand concessiuons so big that there will not be a real chnage formt he red gren mess of the recent years, or the great coaltion under Merkel.
As long as the CDU rules out any coalition with AfD, there can and will be no real change of the status quo.
Also, CDU leader Merz is no heavy weight in himself. No courage. Already tactically manouvering. Submissive to the heritage of past coaltiions.
There will be no serious change. Just more of the same. In a way, the elections already got stolen from the voters.
Thats why they piss off the voters and m ake them turn to the AfD. Its jzst a quesiton of time before the AfD will win the majority. And that is why until then all other parties will try to ban and forbid it.
If that manouver succeeds, what then happens I dare not to predict. Could become very very ugly. If you constantly raise the heat, a pressure cooker holds together so and so long - and not longer. There comes the time then when it will go Booom.
Skybird
11-21-24, 06:14 PM
Could be that Pistorius thinks - correctly - that the election is a lost cause anyway, and that he does not want to get uselessly burnt over it.
Bubble Olaf, full of himself as always, still thinks he is the greatest, brightest, wittiest, and that he will win the election. After the poop he made in the past three years its just fair that it will be him who gets executed by voters on election day, and his party of Nibelungen loyalists alongside with him.
Jimbuna
11-22-24, 08:33 AM
Germany's Merkel dismayed by Scholz' demeanour in Lindner sacking
Former German chancellor Angela Merkel has spoken out against the strident public stance of her successor Olaf Scholz over his dismissal of his then finance minister Christian Lindner and the resultant collapse of the coalition government.
"When Olaf Scholz spoke so bluntly, there was some unease among the public. Some thought: If our federal chancellor is so out of touch - heavens above - how bad is it for our country?" Merkel was quoted as telling Der Spiegel magazine on Friday.
Scholz sacked Lindner on November 6 after a dispute over economic and budgetary policy. Lindner's Free Democratic Party (FDP) then withdrew its ministers from the alliance with the Greens and the Social Democrats, of which Scholz is a member, causing the coalition to break up.
Scholz accused the FDP chief of irresponsible behaviour, saying, "He has too often engaged in petty party-political tactics. Too often he has broken my trust."
Serious government work was not possible in this way, he added.
Commenting on whether Scholz had violated the dignity of his office with his comments, Merkel replied, "I wouldn't have said it if I thought it was a prime example of dignity."
The chancellor heads the constitutional body of the government, noted Merkel, who led Germany for a total of 16 years. "His office has dignity, and that should always guide you."
As chancellor, you have to ride out the hard knocks, she added. "You feel a lot of emotions, but it's better to shout at the wall in your office than at the German public."
Merkel said her immediate thought when witnessing the spat between Scholz and Lindner was, "Men!" When asked what seemed typically male to her, the 70-year-old former chancellor replied, "For example, taking things personally. You should avoid that as much as possible in politics."
Scholz intends to call a vote of confidence in Parliament on December 16. If, as expected, he does not receive a majority, elections will be held on February 23.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/germany-s-merkel-dismayed-by-scholz-demeanour-in-lindner-sacking/ar-AA1uyW8c?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=1f08ef3ef1cd48c18b15e54589ee46b6&ei=4
Could be that Pistorius thinks - correctly - that the election is a lost cause anyway, and that he does not want to get uselessly burnt over it.
Bubble Olaf, full of himself as always, still thinks he is the greatest, brightest, wittiest, and that he will win the election. After the poop he made in the past three years its just fair that it will be him who gets executed by voters on election day, and his party of Nibelungen loyalists alongside with him.
Look, In the near future what difference will the change in any of your government make ? Your country is committed to Ukraine to the end.Your country is committed to NATO and the war. Again the cloud of destruction hangs above the German people. Only this time the it will come from the Liberal globalist of America and Europe. Ah, how does that hot dog taste ?
Jimbuna
11-29-24, 11:00 AM
German defence minister seeks 4.7 billion euro deal to buy four submarines, sources say
BERLIN (Reuters) -German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius wants to purchase four submarines in a deal worth more than 4.7 billion euros ($5 billion) that will require parliamentary spending committee approval, two sources told Reuters on Friday, confirming a news report.
In a request submitted to the committee, the ministry says the acquisition is needed for Germany to fulfil new NATO requirements for better protection of the alliance's northern flank, according to Spiegel news magazine, which has seen the documents.
The ministry is seeking to procure four more Type 212CD submarines which are manufactured by Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems, sources told Reuters.
Thyssenkrupp did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The defence ministry said that ongoing parliamentary talks about funds for further defence procurement were "good and constructive" without providing detail on specific projects.
In total, the budget committee has received 29 so-called "25-million euro proposals" for defence and equipment projects that are to be adopted this year, budget committee members told Reuters. Any military procurement worth more than 25 million euros needs approval from the parliamentary budget committee.
Members of the budget committee told Reuters that they are analysing it.
"We are paying particular attention to the proposal to purchase additional submarines due to its importance in terms of security policy, but also because of the high amount of funds required," said Karsten Klein, member of the budget committee from the Free Democrats (FDP).
Another committee member told Reuters that the proposal is to be decided on this year.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/german-defence-minister-seeks-4-7-billion-euro-deal-to-buy-four-submarines-sources-say/ar-AA1uYSGx?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=e33d7cf75abe485c8c0a62f3d54d28c1&ei=15
Sad to see my mothers homeland come to this.
In Germany, a Man Who Was Stabbed by a Jihadi Has Been Fined for Criticizing Islam
Here is a story that neatly encapsulates the threat that the West faces and the weakness of its response to that threat. In Germany, a vociferous critic of jihad violence and Sharia oppression of women and others, Michael Stürzenberger, was stabbed several months ago by a jihadi precisely because of his opposition to those evils. Now, a German court has added insult to injury, convicting Stürzenberger of “incitement to hatred” and fining him €3,600 ($3,800). So it has come to this: what the jihadi began, the German government is now continuing. What will be the effects of this on the freedom of speech in Germany? That’s obvious: if this continues, Germany is dead as a free society.
https://pjmedia.com/robert-spencer/2024/12/06/in-germany-a-man-who-was-stabbed-by-a-jihadi-has-been-fined-for-criticizing-islam-n4934902
Ostfriese
12-07-24, 04:01 AM
Yeah, that happens if you restrict yourself to sources that only give you half the truth.
a vociferous critic of jihad violence and Sharia oppression of women and others, Michael Stürzenberger,
What a nice way to describe an outright anti-muslim and nazi who has been convicted more than a dozen times.
Skybird
12-07-24, 07:36 AM
Click on "I already support", and you can pass for free.
https://www-tichyseinblick-de.translate.goog/gastbeitrag/deutschland-energieversorgung-instabil/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
As the expansion of subsidized random power came along with the brilliant idea of taking conventional power plants off the grid when nuclear and coal were phased out, the risk of imbalance in the power grid was significantly increased and at the same time the number of systems that stabilize the power grid was significantly reduced. Not a good idea for guaranteeing people and the economy a secure and inexpensive energy supply, because the need for control in a power system with thousands of decentralized systems is enormous.
The energy transition has caused the number of interventions required by grid operators to avoid large-scale power outages or even blackouts to explode. The number of grid operator interventions is currently around 15,500. By the end of 2024, the 17,000 mark could be broken. Although many of these necessary measures are carried out using computers in the large control rooms of the large transmission system operators responsible for the high-voltage grid, many of these grid interventions are also carried out manually. The interventions that stabilize the power grid are now part of everyday life.
A colleague told me that some power plant requests are made by phone or email. The control rooms of the transmission system operators are really stressed in the summer, when there is far too much electricity that no one needs because of photovoltaics, and in the winter, when much more electricity is needed than can be generated by the remaining power plants.
As the expansion of completely inefficient random energy from wind power and photovoltaics continues, as well as the shutdowns of power plants that reliably produce electricity, grid interventions will continue to increase and the risk of a large-scale power outage or even a nationwide blackout in Germany will continue to rise.It lasts forever - until it doesn't last anymore.
Criminal, ideologically fanatized stupids at the helm. Launch the lifeboats. Warners and smart people first.
On a sidenote: the quota of companies shutting down their operations in Germany and leaving, has hit an all-time high. So has the quota of onsolvencies. And both numbers are steeply mounting. The two domina nt reasons given: excessive bureaucracy, and instabile power for the wordwide highest costs.
And all along the CDU and its posterboy Merz mull a coalition with the Greens and their economy destroyer Habeck next year.
Skybird
12-07-24, 11:40 AM
Free opinion and free speech in Germany 2024 A.D.
https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/kurzer_prozess_nach_Volksverhetzungs-Anklage?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Incidentally (well, not really...), two Green politicians, Habeck and Baerbock, are the two politicians who top the rankings in terms of the number of charges and accusations of insult filed at court by them each year, with both of them filing several hundred charges each year. In case this is even reported on and examples were given, it was not always clear that a distinction was made between personal insult on the one hand and dissenting opinion and/or criticism of politics on the other. Well, differing opinins are an insult in itself, maybe.
You are still allowed to express any opinion in Germany. If it is the right opinion. But if it's not left-woke-red-green enough, then the uniform party regime will strike back with a vengeance!
For some of the things I have posted here in this forum over the last few years, if I were to post them in German in Germany, I could be thrown into prison and/or sentenced to high five-figure fines. And that's not a joke, nor is it an exaggeration, nor is it a pose I'm adopting in order to brazen myself out.
It is simply the appalling truth about where Germany is now and how low it has sunk.
Left-wing attitude-terror has Germany firmly in its grip: in schools, at universities, in research, in the media, in the zeitgeist and in politics. And this situation is no coincidence, but has been systematically sought and gradually realized since the student unrest at the end of the 1960s.
It is appalling what is unfolding here. Obviously the Third Reich and the GDR have not been enough to teach people some lessons on socialist dictatorship. We are on track to have our third go with these.
Skybird
12-07-24, 12:09 PM
I say this since two years, and already in late 2022 first suspicions came up and were reported on by a very few media - which immediately were gagged.
https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/deutschland/entscheidenden-test-beeinflusst-studie-dient-politischen-zwecken-brisante-mail-belastet-habeck-in-akw-affaere_id_260543614.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
And this is the party the CDU prepares a coalition with next year.
Habeck also traveled to France in 2022 to arrange the supply of evil French nuclear power to Germany. He forbade this to be widely reported, as at home he was busy trying to kill off the last four nuclear power plants in the midst of the energy crisis in order to woo the Greens' main clientele - sectarian opponents of nuclear power. Party before nation, clientele before people, power before the general interest.
This country is so finished. It can only get worse, I see no chance how it ever could get better. Maybe after the next total collapse, for a short while to come...
Skybird
12-15-24, 07:58 AM
https://www-tichyseinblick-de.translate.goog/tichys-einblick/politik-und-wirklichkeit/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Politicians want to continue to deny reality and simply ignore the facts. Instead of perceiving reality, the political bubble is hermetically sealed. Now associations are also being excluded - only large party-led state associations are still allowed.
(...)
These parties have long since sealed themselves off from any intrusion of reality into their bubble and are dividing up the positions among themselves. The party leaders of the CDU, the Greens and the SPD promise each other in front of the cameras that they will not be too harsh on one another during the election campaign - after all, it is about common ground. The election campaign is becoming a farce, not a debate, because the CDU is already establishing consensus instead of fighting for its own positions.
Anyone expecting alternative answers to pressing questions will get stuck in the babble of party jargon. In Thuringia, an all-party coalition has been formed, from the CDU to the SED-PDS, which has been renamed The Left. A law was quickly passed that protects the head of the State Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Stephan Kramer, from parliamentary control. This means that this highly questionable figure can continue his party-politically pleasing form of constitutional protection unchecked.
And finally, they are also insulating themselves from associations and clubs that have previously asked critical questions about the issues that concern them during the federal election campaign and have fed various Wahl-O-Mats. In future, only a few large associations will be allowed to ask questions of the sovereigns at all. It is an unbelievable process: the party cartel (there is no other name for it) made up of the CDU/CSU, SPD, Greens, FDP and the Left Party has agreed on a joint communication during the election campaign - in other words, the most important competition between the parties - that excludes critical questions and questioners from the outset. This at least partially undermines the competition between the parties provided for in the Basic Law. Does the constitutional duty of the parties to participate in the formation of the will of the people cover such a step?
The intention is clear. The "large associations" that are still permitted at the court in Berlin have long been under the tutelage of political parties. Just a few examples:
The German Red Cross is headed by the long-standing CSU regional group leader Gerda Hasselfeldt, and guarantees that questions about the situation of marginalized groups will not be asked. The area is doubly protected, and the umbrella organization "German Paritätischer Wohlfahrtsverband" does not act in the interests of the socially disadvantaged, but acts in a party-political manner. Ulrich Schneider, general manager of the Paritätischer Gesamtverband, explains on behalf of the association: The DPWV supports the alliance "AfD ban now, which wants to increase the pressure for an AfD ban together." Certainly an important task for a social association whose managing director is a prominent politician from the Left Party.
In the Federal Association of Electricity and Water Works, the former Green Party leaders Gunda Röstel and Kerstin Andreae (deputy Green parliamentary group leader in the Bundestag) set the tone, which does not question the energy transition, but pushes it forward to the detriment of member companies. The Association of the Automotive Industry is kept on an anti-combustion engine course by Merkel's confidante Hildegard Müller. One can therefore imagine the critical questions that such associations ask - and that an open debate on everything from pension policy to deindustrialization is eliminated by energy policy.
In this way, political speech bubbles and backroom agreements replace social discourse and prevent reality from penetrating. And if it cannot be avoided, then there are always the great enemies from outside. In view of the catastrophic situation in the energy sector, (https://www-tichyseinblick-de.translate.goog/podcast/te-wecker-am-14-dezember-2024/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) the population should prepare for emergencies and hoard supplies, explains René Funk, Vice President of the Federal Office of Civil Protection and Disaster Assistance (BBK), and immediately names the culprits: China, Iran and Russia are planning hybrid attacks on the German power supply. (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=de&client=webapp&u=https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/innenpolitik/id_100549978/bevoelkerungsschutz-appelliert-bereiten-sie-sich-auf-notlagen-vor-.html) The fact that the energy supply is deliberately ailing due to the voluntary, targeted and planned shutdown of power plants as part of the energy transition is not mentioned in the statement. It could worry the population and name those really responsible.Elections only make sense if you have the choice between different alternatives. This availability of alternatives has been deliberately and intentionally deleted, and I observe that since all my life as a grown up adult.
Its all a farce.
If you vote, you express your legitimation for this corrupt, foul, rotten system. By doing so, you forfeit your right to criticise it afterwards, therefore, because you legitmised in advance what then you want to criticise.
Thats why they want you to participate in this show. They want to turn you silent and turn you into accomplices in their crime. But dont have illusions, dont fool yourself: you may go voting, but you cannot really choose between anything anyway. You just morally gag yourself.
And afterwards you even have the chuzpe to kill everybody's nerves by criticising what you have voted for.
You lying, hypocritical idiot!
Skybird
12-16-24, 04:48 AM
Click on "I already support" to bypass paywall for free.
https://www-tichyseinblick-de.translate.goog/wirtschaft/habeck-und-die-wirtschaftskrise/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Of course, you can believe that this is all just the lack of craftsmanship on the part of people who would hardly be able to earn a living in the private sector outside of politics. Admittedly, this thought can certainly come to mind when you look at Annalena Baerbock, Claudia Roth, Ricarda Lang, Emilia Fester, Janosch Dahmen and many others.
More unpleasant, but also much more plausible, is the idea that this is not an accident, but intentional.
The Greens don't just have dimwitted leaders, but also intelligent puppet masters in the ranks behind them. Patrick Graichen is one of them, as are Michael Kellner and Franziska Brantner. And yes, Robert Habeck too.
Not everyone makes mistakes all the time.
What the more intelligent Greens are doing has a goal. It is called “degrowth”: it is about reducing consumption and production – and thus also the gross domestic product (GDP), i.e. the economic output of the country. On a website of the “growth-critical movement” it is described (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=de&client=webapp&u=https://degrowth.info/de/degrowth-de%23:~:text%3DUnter%2520Degrowth%2520oder%2520Pos twachstum%2520verstehen,ein%2520umfassender%2520ku ltureller%2520Wandel%2520notwendig.) that this is about nothing less than a revolutionary transformation of our way of life:
“This requires a fundamental change in our living environment and a comprehensive cultural change.”
They are working on this with, one might say, persistent malice. Because they are clever, they do not talk about it openly. Instead, others occasionally say what it is about. For example, Sylvia Kotting-Uhl: As a Green member of the Bundestag in 2021, she described with commendable openness the new society (https://www-tichyseinblick-de.translate.goog/daili-es-sentials/energieversorgung-in-deutschland-jederzeit-strom-ist-von-gestern/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) that she and her ideological colleagues envision. Electricity will then simply no longer be available at all times, but only when the wind blows and the sun shines - otherwise there will be a blackout. The refrigerator will only run at lunchtime, and industry will simply have to cease production from November to March.
Ulrike Herrmann describes everything even more clearly. The business editor of the "taz" has honestly called her book "The End of Capitalism" (https://www-tichyseinblick-de.translate.goog/meinungen/ulrike-herrmann-gruene-schrumpfen/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) . The title is a huge hit in the green milieu. Herrmann believes it is crucial to stop growth and drastically reduce the gross domestic product. The 60-year-old green pioneer also speaks openly about what Habeck & Co. are ashamed to keep quiet about for political reasons: renewable energies and raw materials are never enough to keep an industrial nation running and achieve "green growth". So she logically advocates giving up Germany as an industrial nation. As a way out of capitalism, she suggests the model of the British war economy in the Second World War.
If you take this social model as a blueprint, then green economic policy suddenly makes sense.
"Germany as a business location and above all Germany's industrial core is under pressure, under the pressure of change." Robert Habeck said this recently (https://www-tichyseinblick-de.translate.goog/wirtschaft/arbeitslosigkeit-ist-zurueck-in-deutschland/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp) at an industry conference. What he did not say: change will not fall from the sky. The change is politically desired, even if it is economically ruinous. It is about nothing other than the radical restructuring of the Federal Republic, away from an industrial nation and towards something else.
The Greens have been quite successful on this path to “degrowth”. With the kind help of the SPD, the FDP and the Union, they have turned a very competitive economy into one with no chance of success. And all this in a breathtakingly short time.
Didn't I say this since many years about the Greens? The destruction done by the Geens is neither accident, nor incompetence. It is intention, following a deliberate plan of destruction. And the CDU/CSU, the SPD, the FDP all serve as accomplices for tactical short termed interests.
And dont be mistaken. In other countries the Greens want to do the same. Even the EU wants to do the same.
Germany is lost, it is in free fall. But you all in other countries: wake up, dont follow our example, dont repeat out mistake of tolerating those that aim at destroying us. Your own equivalent destructive situations in your own countries are already dangerously advanced, too, though not as much as in Germany. Leave us alone, let us fall, stay away, do not allow yourself to be drawn into Germany's downward spiral. Learn by our example - dont repeat what we have done.
You see, it is THIS why I have become a prepper. Not so much some apocalyptic war fantasy. Germany's next, third apocalypse is committed by our own elected politicians. Intentionally. These I fear more than war or natural desaster. There is no bigger evil in the world than stupidity.
And Germans commit even stupidity in German perfection.
Can understand that the German parliament, just voted against the chancellor, by votes of no confidence.
Which should mean that Germans has to pick a new Parliament in Feb. 2025.
Markus
Can understand that the German parliament, just voted against the chancellor, by votes of no confidence.
Which should mean that Germans has to pick a new Parliament in Feb. 2025.
MarkusEarly elections can only be called under strict conditions according to the German constitution. That is why Scholz requested a vote of confidence, aiming to lose it. That has now happened.
Jimbuna
12-16-24, 11:51 AM
Early elections can only be called under strict conditions according to the German constitution. That is why Scholz requested a vote of confidence, aiming to lose it. That has now happened.
So what are the probabilities of what could happen next?
Since the end of the Second World War, Scholz is only the fourth chancellor to cast the vote of confidence. Usually, as now, it was done with the intention of provoking new elections. The Chancellor will now ask President Frank-Walter Steinmeier to dissolve parliament and call new elections. The ballot must be held within 60 days. Normally, the legislature would not end until autumn 2025. Political ploy to bring elections forward.
Skybird
12-16-24, 04:52 PM
So what are the probabilities of what could happen next?
You will see a coalition government most likely under the formal leadership by the former CDU which then must do a coalition with the Greens (whose Robert Habeck is the one destroying our economy, doing all that degrowth agenda, and who does not stop destroying our powerplants until today), or with the Reds from the SPD who will refuse to stop illegal migration, will not confront Russia more decisively, will not boost funding of the Bundeswerh, will not fight against overboarding regulation and bureaucracy, will demand excessive debts-rtaising, will demand more subventions, and will throw mone yout of the moehny like crazy. All these parties will not confront the EU, will not question the ECB, will not stop the house heating policy desaster that is typical in contempory German politics. In short: in principle nothing will change, it will be the same policies like until here, just with a minor changes in the list of acting names. The basic policy will be the same as before.
They will claim a lot of drama about cosmetic changes in wording. But that is just at the surface. In substance, nothing will change. The CDU will practice merciless opportunism to bring itself into the chancelor's office but it will only be allowed to do so if it agrees to the SPD'S or Green's agenda. That will be the price of these coalitions: that the CDU runs green-red-left-woke policies. Its a nightmare from which there is no awakening.
There will be elections. But there will not be a choice. Like the block parties in the GDR Volkskammer. They all were just proxies for and alibis of the SED.
BTW, today they announced that the number of yearly ins9ovencies hasd grown by 24% compoared to last year, and last year it has alraey grown by 22 or 23% comared to the yera before. Of these business crashes, 4 out of 5 are small private companies, the remaining 1 in 5 are major big coorporations and mass employers - and if you check just these, you see their number of insolvencies has grown by over 44% compared to the year before. The trend is expected to accelerate next year, and mass unemployment will start to drastically explode.
A the same time, the price for butter has risen by factor 2 to 2.5, and is expected to rise further. Currently in some supermarket chains you can buy only three packages per household. Because the number of cows - and thus: the amount of milk - is being cut down by driving farmers into bancruptcy or quitting. Its onyl a question of time until you will see the availability of beef declining substantially (its already now in limted availabilty, I must drive to the other side of the city to get what I want), and prices exploding. I expect the Greens to support Mercosur to destroy German lifestock farmers, and when that is done they will try to change the Mercosur treaty and ban the import of South American beef. That way they can enforce their vegan agenda while formally claiming they did not prohibit people to eat meat.
Be sick and die early for better climate - and greater Big Carbs and Big Pharma profits! :yeah: That gives your life a meaning and a purpose.
It is a death spiral in which we are racing downwards.
....but there will not be choices - I thought that there was choices like AfD.
Germany is the Engine of EU-A breakdown of this engine would mean the end of EU-Me thinks.
Markus
Whereas the sacked Lindner insisted on cutting benefits and pensions, SPD leader Scholz and his Economy Minister Robert Habeck (Greens) preferred to make additional public investments to pull the economy out of the doldrums. To this end, they are even willing to abandon the Schuldenbremse (‘debt brake’), the constitutional requirement that Germany's national debt must remain manageable and that Germany does not borrow too much money. For Lindner and his FDP, an absolute no-go. Germany finds itself in a jam with its own principles because of that Schuldenbremse. It turns out to be very difficult to boost the economy when you are dealing with a finance minister who sticks very strictly to this. Germany has long been struggling with a ‘dawdling economy’, where investments by both the government and companies have been delayed for far too long. Now the need is so high that money has to be spent.
There is also overdue maintenance of infrastructure, with many obsolete roads, bridges and chaos on the railways. Furthermore, digitalisation still lags heavily behind that of other countries, threatening Germany's competitiveness, economists have long warned. This cabinet had very good plans, but could not agree on financing. Germany must invest itself out of the economic malaise, preferably with a special investment programme outside the official budget. Germany must accept that the German model of the last decade has come to an end. If they don't accept that, there will be no reforms. And if there are no reforms, then voters will go into extremes, choosing radical-left or radical-right. And we are already seeing that in Eastern Germany.
Skybird
12-16-24, 06:39 PM
....but there will not be choices - I thought that there was choices like AfD.
No, AfD has no chance to get into any form of government. Yes, they would be different. But they are best dewscribed as an a.) unpleasant and b.) unavailabe "alternative".
Thats the purpose of the so-called "Brandmauer" (firewall) here in Germany: a consensus of all othe rpoarties to not go into coalition with the AfD, which is, of course, first and foremost a shackle for the CDU, just not to let go of its red-green, woke politics. To force the CDU into left-leaning compliance even if it becomes the strongest party - THAT is the real purpose of this "firewall".
You can vote whatever you want, CDU, SPD, Green, FDP, AfD: the result will always be just a continuation of what you now have since Merkel: left, red-green, woke, EU-servile policy-making. You cannot escape as long as CDU/CSU do not will to try a coaltiion on n atiponal level with the AfD. And this ios ebign ruled out. So: no alternatives, no escape, no changes - not for the better, not for the worse.
Stagnation turning into petrification. When I say often "German is done" and "Forget Germany", I mean it serious, its not just a slogan.
Skybird
12-17-24, 07:11 AM
One of the recent polls. They vary in details, but all show a similar general trend.
https://i.postimg.cc/RFSW0Ycf/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)
Yesterday another poll showed that if the FDP makes it over the 5% hurdle, the CDU does not gain a majprity with a green-CDU coalition and must go with the Reds.
All this is drama, show and entertainment only, as I expressed earlier. Panem et circensis, to turn voters into accomplices in the crime so that they have no moral right anymore to complain about what they voted for.
Jimbuna
12-17-24, 07:16 AM
You will see a coalition government most likely under the formal leadership by the former CDU which then must do a coalition with the Greens (whose Robert Habeck is the one destroying our economy, doing all that degrowth agenda, and who does not stop destroying our powerplants until today), or with the Reds from the SPD who will refuse to stop illegal migration, will not confront Russia more decisively, will not boost funding of the Bundeswerh, will not fight against overboarding regulation and bureaucracy, will demand excessive debts-rtaising, will demand more subventions, and will throw mone yout of the moehny like crazy. All these parties will not confront the EU, will not question the ECB, will not stop the house heating policy desaster that is typical in contempory German politics. In short: in principle nothing will change, it will be the same policies like until here, just with a minor changes in the list of acting names. The basic policy will be the same as before.
They will claim a lot of drama about cosmetic changes in wording. But that is just at the surface. In substance, nothing will change. The CDU will practice merciless opportunism to bring itself into the chancelor's office but it will only be allowed to do so if it agrees to the SPD'S or Green's agenda. That will be the price of these coalitions: that the CDU runs green-red-left-woke policies. Its a nightmare from which there is no awakening.
There will be elections. But there will not be a choice. Like the block parties in the GDR Volkskammer. They all were just proxies for and alibis of the SED.
BTW, today they announced that the number of yearly ins9ovencies hasd grown by 24% compoared to last year, and last year it has alraey grown by 22 or 23% comared to the yera before. Of these business crashes, 4 out of 5 are small private companies, the remaining 1 in 5 are major big coorporations and mass employers - and if you check just these, you see their number of insolvencies has grown by over 44% compared to the year before. The trend is expected to accelerate next year, and mass unemployment will start to drastically explode.
A the same time, the price for butter has risen by factor 2 to 2.5, and is expected to rise further. Currently in some supermarket chains you can buy only three packages per household. Because the number of cows - and thus: the amount of milk - is being cut down by driving farmers into bancruptcy or quitting. Its onyl a question of time until you will see the availability of beef declining substantially (its already now in limted availabilty, I must drive to the other side of the city to get what I want), and prices exploding. I expect the Greens to support Mercosur to destroy German lifestock farmers, and when that is done they will try to change the Mercosur treaty and ban the import of South American beef. That way they can enforce their vegan agenda while formally claiming they did not prohibit people to eat meat.
Be sick and die early for better climate - and greater Big Carbs and Big Pharma profits! :yeah: That gives your life a meaning and a purpose.
It is a death spiral in which we are racing downwards.
Whereas the sacked Lindner insisted on cutting benefits and pensions, SPD leader Scholz and his Economy Minister Robert Habeck (Greens) preferred to make additional public investments to pull the economy out of the doldrums. To this end, they are even willing to abandon the Schuldenbremse (‘debt brake’), the constitutional requirement that Germany's national debt must remain manageable and that Germany does not borrow too much money. For Lindner and his FDP, an absolute no-go. Germany finds itself in a jam with its own principles because of that Schuldenbremse. It turns out to be very difficult to boost the economy when you are dealing with a finance minister who sticks very strictly to this. Germany has long been struggling with a ‘dawdling economy’, where investments by both the government and companies have been delayed for far too long. Now the need is so high that money has to be spent.
There is also overdue maintenance of infrastructure, with many obsolete roads, bridges and chaos on the railways. Furthermore, digitalisation still lags heavily behind that of other countries, threatening Germany's competitiveness, economists have long warned. This cabinet had very good plans, but could not agree on financing. Germany must invest itself out of the economic malaise, preferably with a special investment programme outside the official budget. Germany must accept that the German model of the last decade has come to an end. If they don't accept that, there will be no reforms. And if there are no reforms, then voters will go into extremes, choosing radical-left or radical-right. And we are already seeing that in Eastern Germany.
There's me thinking the UK was in a mess! :doh:
One of the recent polls. They vary in details, but all show a similar general trend. Yesterday another poll showed that if the FDP makes it over the 5% hurdle, the CDU does not gain a majprity with a green-CDU coalition and must go with the Reds. All this is drama, show and entertainment only, as I expressed earlier. Panem et circensis, to turn voters into accomplices in the crime so that they have no moral right anymore to complain about what they voted for.Germany is moving towards a 4 or +4 coalition like in the Netherlands maybe they can keep the AFD out next year, but govern with 4 or more is hard to keep it all together that needs a special leader like Mark Rutte he could manage that for more than 12 year and I do not see a Mark in Germany. But we neither when he started. After this next 2025 coalition fails AFD will become big enough to lead the coalition no other parties can ignore the AFD any more.
There's me thinking the UK was in a mess! :doh:It is a mess but not a disaster if next government, big industry starts to invest and start with their overdue maintenance of key parts of their economy. Very first thing they have to do is park that Schuldenbremse that is the major factor of the mess.
Catfish
12-17-24, 11:59 AM
Whatever comes out of this, they will never agree on a manageable position. :D
Skybird
12-17-24, 03:53 PM
Whatever comes out of this, they will never agree on a manageable position. :D
You underestimate the CDU's weasel-like nimbleness! Merkel has demonstrated how never to allow principles and a sense of responsibility to stand in the way of own quest for power; since then, opportunism and turnability have become the party's guiding principles. Greens or SPD - both will make the CDU pay for their willingness to enter a coalition, and the CDU will pay whatever it costs. Because as long as the CDU rules out a coalition with the AfD, they have no alternative. Except new elections. And then the whole game begins anew, with he same outcome.
Merz is no alternative and no new, great leader. He is a joke, without spine, without long sight, and without courage. Once seated in the chancellor's chair you will find it hard to see the difference between him and his predecessors.
Over all: the shackles that the EU has thrown Germany into, and all other nations. And the self-dynamic of the currency and the galloping debts and the inflation crisis: three faces of one and the same monster.
Skybird
12-18-24, 07:42 AM
Ever heard of the German ship Otto Hahn? A tale of what once was, but is no more.
https://think--again-org.translate.goog/zuruck-in-die-zukunft/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://i0.wp.com/think-again.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/OTO-HAHN.jpg?resize=1024%2C677&ssl=1
Catfish
12-18-24, 08:05 AM
^ "Der Abschied", third book of Lothar Günther-Buchheim, about his voyage on the Otto Hahn, with former Kaleun Lehmann-Willenbrock as Captain. Good read.
Apart from that it is of course a shame to throw away hard earned patents and knowledge out of ignorance. It is like a self-inflicted Morgenthau plan ;)
Skybird
12-18-24, 06:20 PM
For once something positive from the defense sector. 5 bn Euros have been released for the building of 4 new Type 212 "CD" U-boats. They are a bit bigger and have better sensors than the current type 212 class. 2 more are beign build for Norway. Another 15 bn have been released for other buyings of hardware, including ammunition and air defence missiles.
Nothing new on drones, anti-drone defenses, tanks.
As far as the navy is concerned, I think Germany should give up the idea of needing to act globally, and focus on the defending of the Baltic and North Sea area - more or less exclusively. A single German frigate (and of weak combat potential) shipping all alone in Asian waters is not even pathetic, its not even a joke - it simply is nothing. These modular multi-role hull designs for international missions are off the mark for the German navy. Disrupting Russian operations in the Baltic naval and aerial sphere - this is our job. Recent sabotages of cables and the likes do not give the impression that NATO is mastering the defense of the Baltic Sea. And German post-WW2 uboats where this small in size because they were optimised for using them in the Baltic. Its the German boats' natural playground.
Following was copied and translated from a Danish newspaper
Alice Weidel, party leader of the anti-immigrant party "Alternative für Deutschland" (AfD) is far ahead of the other candidates in the race to become Germany's next chancellor.
Alice Weidel is in first place with 24 percent of the vote. Friedrich Merz is in second place with 20 percent of the vote. Germany's current chancellor, Olaf Scholz, is down to 15 percent of the vote.
The poll was conducted by the German newspaper Bild. The result is not affected by the recent terrorist attack in Germany. The poll was conducted before the terrorist attack.
If this should be the result I foresee some political chaos, after the election in Feb next year.
Markus
What do you see in this poster?
https://i.ibb.co/0Cyzgyw/AFD.jpg (https://ibb.co/v34M74t)
Skybird
12-23-24, 04:47 PM
The SPD-mungo started the brawel. It ends with them being thrown out and earning a house ban, and now the Staatsschutz has started investigations against them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE9uToW_MIk
:haha: :har:
No, I do not scan AfD's youtube channel ;) - I red about this in a newspaper, and then searched for the video by the mentioned names in the article.
Skybird
12-23-24, 04:58 PM
What do you see in this poster?
What do you want to see in a protecting roof formed by the arms of the parents over their children, hmm...? The women btw raises the left arm not the right arm.
https://c8.alamy.com/compde/2ahcd80/kinderschutz-lineare-symbol-dunne-linie-abbildung-familie-positive-parenting-kinderbetreuung-happy-elternschaft-vater-mutter-kind-kontur-symbol-2ahcd80.jpg
Symbol of "Positive Parenting".
https://static.vecteezy.com/ti/gratis-vektor/p1/5748053-kinderschutz-glyph-symbol-silhouette-symbol-familie-positive-elternschaft-kinderbetreuung-gluckliche-elternschaft-vater-mutter-und-kleinkind-negativer-raum-isolierte-illustration-vektor.jpg
International glyphe.
There are a couple more variations. Its always symbols for children charity and children protection work.
^Nice try nice drawings you showed your colour.
Skybird
12-23-24, 06:09 PM
No, but you did. Always seeing the worst in something if it is opportune for you and serves your intention. Maybe I should not be surprised, since the progressives heavily try to destroy the idea of a conventional family with a female mother, a male father, and non gender-neutral boys and girl as child/ren. Everybody defending this "outdated" institution" today is target for defamatory attacks.
Well I enter christmas peace period now. :03: 9 minutes late.
The AfD youth wing JA is already classified as proven right-wing extremist, as are some state branches, such as those in Thuringia and Saxony according to the Verfassungsschutz. Since 2021, the AfD has been considered a suspected extremist party. The security service sees the party as a threat to the free democratic legal order in Germany, and the qualification Verdachtsfall gave the Verfassungsschutz additional powers. According to that service, AfD members propagate xenophobia and anti-democratic views. They adhere to a ‘völkisch’ nationalism and want to exclude Muslims and political dissenters. So opportune of me to think these are fascists. Who am I to think that the cornerstone of society is not the backward old-fashioned family of man, woman, children how anti Lebensborn of me and that the other.... in a ... belong and especially not be a Mensch. But no stay afraid of different thinkers, be afraid before you know it they dilute your DNA. You can spin it all you want, but what I see is brown. The slogans, lectures, symbolism, stink is back to the ‘Alte Kameraden’ time you can fool me a lot but if it stinks then it is shyte.
Skybird
12-26-24, 06:48 AM
New frozen pizza spotted in Germany's supermarket.
https://i.postimg.cc/qR7RN5M1/pizza.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
(Oetker presents: Pizza Habeck - simply no topping on it)
The AfD youth wing JA is already classified as proven right-wing extremist, as are some state branches, such as those in Thuringia and Saxony according to the Verfassungsschutz. Since 2021, the AfD has been considered a suspected extremist party. The security service sees the party as a threat to the free democratic legal order in Germany, and the qualification Verdachtsfall gave the Verfassungsschutz additional powers. According to that service, AfD members propagate xenophobia and anti-democratic views. They adhere to a ‘völkisch’ nationalism and want to exclude Muslims and political dissenters. So opportune of me to think these are fascists. Who am I to think that the cornerstone of society is not the backward old-fashioned family of man, woman, children how anti Lebensborn of me and that the other.... in a ... belong and especially not be a Mensch. But no stay afraid of different thinkers, be afraid before you know it they dilute your DNA. You can spin it all you want, but what I see is brown. The slogans, lectures, symbolism, stink is back to the ‘Alte Kameraden’ time you can fool me a lot but if it stinks then it is shyte.
Even if youre correct, the sad part is that If any political establishment finds it self scrambling to contain the rise of a far right party or group like the AFD (whos retoric is very easily dismantelled in good times) - then its quite clear that said poltically establishment has screwed up royally to enable them in the first place, so how can the same people who created the problems be expected or trusted to solve them? Where are people supposed to go? Just keep voting in and trusting the same people like the CDU again and again, but expect a different outcome? Germany as for along time has been established as a very tolerant and progressive nation and society, so how afraid and desperate did people have to get to start flipping to the AFD and why, what are the route causes?, you cant just brush it all off as 'propaganda and misinformation' that kind of dismissive denial is what get us there in the first place, and the best misinformation in the world has no effect if its unrelatable to peoples reality, the root social or ecenomic causes behind such political upheavels are always something very real felt by those people. weather or not it fits comfortably in to yours or my personal world view and narrative is irrelivant.
Skybird
12-28-24, 03:49 AM
The CDU was disemboweled alive by Merkel and stripped of all possible rivals for her position of power. Now it is nothing more than a papyrus-like, empty shell, a hollow torso or empty cocoon as in Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and when the wind blows, the remnants of what was once there crackle. Merkel was also never a woman of the CDU party who felt connected to it. She didn't, she never did - and that became abundantly clear especially after her departure. She needed a party as a vehicle for her ride to power. Just any party. And that is all that defines her relation with the CDU. There is not and never was anything more.
That's why the CDU today has absolutely no character and is defined by flirtatious zeitgeist mimics without any commitment (I mean "Verbindlichkeit") but with a maximum will to opportunism - a Merkel legacy.
Since it has denied itself the alternative - at least trying to cooperate with the AfD, as is occasionally the case at local and municipal level! - the CDU only has the option of having a green or red coalition partner. And that partner demands green, red, woke policies as the price for elevating little Merz to the throne. Since the CDU has got rid of its former brand essence of "conservatism, Christian-derived values, commitment” just as thoroughly as it has got rid of its expert personnel, and is ultimately facing exactly the same desolate catastrophe as a basic red-led government did, it will ultimately only be left to carry on next year as red-green culminated and Merkel initiated: green-red woke or red-green woke.
I can't help anyone who is still saying that they absolutely have to go to the elections, that their vote counts for something.
Voting for the AfD is also not an alternative at the moment. Because the AfD will not become capable of governing through a coalition or absolute majority, not in the foreseeable future. So again it will be the others governing.
Vote red or green, and you get red/green.
Vote CDU, and you get red/green.
Vote AfD, and you get red/green.
And all parties except the AfD are unanimously threatening Nibelung loyalty to the EU and the euro. Mind you, orginally the AfD was founded as an anti-Euro project against Merkel's currency policy.
Elections without having choice - are pointless.
Our stodgy would-be President Steinmeier did not miss the opportunity to call on everyone to vote for the “right” party, with his usual stolid pomposity. And he indirectly threatened to cancel the election in the event of an AfD victory, as happened in Romania (for other and probably much more valid reasons). He didn't say that word for word, of course, but the threat could be read between the lines. Also the much more blatantly blasé Scholz admonished the Germans to make the “right” choice.
Incidentally, CDU chancellor candidate Merz is only pretending to be fresh and young. In fact, he is already of retirement age and, at 69, is not likely to win the hearts of the young. There are a number of polls on the candidates for chancellor, some of whose results are extremely contradictory. I therefore do not place my trust in such statements, even in homeopathic doses. The question of which party will be the strongest force is clearer, and the CDU's claim of 30-35% cannot be seriously doubted if they do nothing completely wrong.
Had to translate this danish article and post it here in our GER politics thread.
I presume he is very much wrong in his statement
Musk, who in the US is closely linked to the incoming Trump administration, recently expressed public support for the Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) with a brief post on the social media X stating that only the AfD 'can save Germany'.
Germany is going to the polls on February 23, and the Tesla CEO's sudden interference in the German election was widely debated.
In the debate piece in Die Welt, he argues for his support for the party, which is suspected by Germany's domestic intelligence service of being a right-wing extremist organization.
Musk believes that the AfD stands for 'political realism'. He talks about Germany being on the 'brink of economic and cultural collapse'. In Musk's eyes, the AfD has the right approach, including when it comes to the economy and migration.
https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/Udland/musk-debatindlaeg-skaber-kaos-paa-tysk-avis/10481299?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Markus
Catfish
12-28-24, 04:29 PM
[edit: Musk]
I presume he is very much wrong in his statement [....]
Musk is wrong in a lot of ways. We will soon realize what this means.
Skybird
12-28-24, 06:00 PM
Had to translate this danish article and post it here in our GER politics thread.
I presume he is very much wrong in his statement
https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/Udland/musk-debatindlaeg-skaber-kaos-paa-tysk-avis/10481299?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Markus
Maybe not as wrong as people want him to be. He attacked the certain sort of Zeitgeist we have over here and that is used to be on an ideological partying frenzy without being put into quesiton and now reacts with the to-be-excpected hysteria. Mind you, a poll riun earlier this year found that over 90% of German journalists and staff at newspapers confessed to vote green-left. The poltical left is used to have an uncritical court reporting not putting left idelogy and woke demands into question. Its not by chance only that the best newspaper there still is, is no German but a Swiss one, the Zürcher Neue Zeitung NZZ. Personally I would rate none of the German mainstream media papers with a schoolnote higher than C - and most are not even that. German newspaper an dmedia do not keep their distance to political actors and parties, and are usually just the non-AfD mouthpiece of the Bundestag parties. With the state television channels 1 and 2 (ARD and ZDF) its even much, much worse. I think of GDR propaganda television thatg we watched for comedy when I see their news porgrams. The GDR TV via-air-broadcasting was not to be recieved everywhere in Germany, but living in West Berlin, we obviously could.
[TE] “Germany has become too comfortable in mediocrity - it's time for bold change, and the AfD is the only party that opens up this path.” Tech billionaire Elon Musk is able to express his views on why he is backing the AfD in an unusually broad manner in Die Welt. The fact that the newspaper “dares more Musk” leads to an internal conflict in which the head of opinion resigns and employees publicly express their displeasure on X.
The world has done nothing wrong. Nevertheless, the media hullabaloo, both from the editorial office and on social media, suggests that the Springer newspaper itself recommended voting for the AfD. This is piquant at a time when a new Correctiv investigation has been eagerly picked up by the masses - and is already being haunted by ARD as “Potsdam 2.0”.
A few days ago, Christian Lindner tested out what you are still allowed to say in public. Margarethe Schreinemakers once said “Autobahn doesn't work at all” to Eva Hermann in a highly acclaimed talk show on Johannes B. Kerner when she pointed out that certain things from the Nazi era are completely normal, even if they have a certain background. Harald Schmidt, in turn, used this as a template for a “Nazometer” that lit up when certain terms were mentioned. Of course, there was also a dispute about this.
The Autobahn is now called Elon Musk and the Nazometer is an AfD-O-Meter. Who invites whom and where, how close they are to the AfD and the words they use say something. Because perhaps they also use the AfD and its figureheads. Remember the “Occident” discussion, when the Catholic Church under Cardinal Marx suddenly distanced itself from a term whose originator was the Church itself. Because the PEGIDA group referred to it.
So there are numerous, tedious back stories to the current case, in which nothing more has happened than tech mogul Elon Musk explaining in an article in one of the country's most important newspapers why he posted on X that only the AfD could save Germany. Die Welt must therefore allow itself to be criticized for letting the other side have its say and explaining what it means. That's a good move. Because “traditional” media suffer from the speed of X. What Welt and Co. can provide, however, is a deeper analysis. On X, people want to be informed quickly: too long, didn't read (tldr) is what they call it in Internet German. The weekly newspaper is a good choice.
And what Musk is saying goes much deeper than mere populist partisanship for a German right-wing party. The international war for freedom of expression is also being fought in Germany; it is a battlefield that was announced here at TE shortly after the election victory. The AfD is therefore the logical choice for Musk, because:
“It addresses the current problems - without the political correctness that often obscures the truth. The portrayal of the AfD as far-right is clearly false when you consider that Alice Weidel, the party's leader, has a same-sex partner from Sri Lanka! Does that sound like Hitler to you? Please!”
Musk summarizes this under one of five points, in this case “political realism”, which speaks for the AfD, because the other parties have “simply failed”. Their policies have led to economic stagnation, social unrest and an erosion of national identity.
Musk elaborates. “The German economy, once the engine of Europe, is now drowning in bureaucracy and oppressive regulations. The AfD has understood that economic freedom is not only desirable, but necessary.” It stands for de-regulation, and Germany needs a party that not only talks about growth, but also takes measures to avert state intervention.
Another point: immigration and national identity: Germany has opened its borders to a very large number of migrants. “Although this was done with humanitarian intentions, it led to significant cultural and social tensions,” said Musk. The AfD advocates a controlled immigration policy; it is not about xenophobia, but about ensuring that Germany does not lose itself in the pursuit of globalization.
Musk explicitly addresses Germany's disastrous energy policy. “Germany's decision to phase out nuclear power and instead rely heavily on coal and imported gas, as well as unstable wind and solar power, without the battery storage needed to stabilize the grid, has left the country vulnerable, especially in terms of power supply disruptions.” What Musk writes could have been written by any TE author.
Finally, in the subheading “Innovation and the future”, Musk emphasizes that it promotes critical thinking instead of indoctrination, an attitude that is in line with the basic principle of his own corporate ethos. “To those who condemn the AfD as extremist, I say: don't be put off by the label attached to it. Take a look at their policies, economic plans and efforts to preserve culture,” emphasizes the Tesla boss.
Die Welt was aware that such words contain explosive material. It therefore added a counter-commentary to this article. Its author is Jan Philipp Burgard, long-time USA correspondent for ARD and now editor-in-chief at Die Welt. Burgard was also responsible for the duel between Björn Höcke (AfD) and Mario Voigt (CDU). So Die Welt pulls out the sharpest caliber to restrict Musk's commentary. This is actually what you would expect from good journalism: The debate of free speech for the best argument. After all, you don't have to share Elon Musk's positions.
For many, however, this exchange of blows was apparently too free. There had already been a crackling in the editorial office: apparently the Musk text was to be prevented. The situation then exploded on Saturday. Eva Maria Kogel, head of the opinion section, resigned after the pre-publication. Ironically, she announced the move on Musk's X platform after leaving it unused for three years. Other Welt journalists are also protesting, whether publicly or indirectly.
Medieninsider reports that there was hope within the editorial team that “after days of discussions in heated conferences and crisis meetings between the editors-in-chief and editorial representatives, it would not appear after all”. In a letter obtained by the magazine, she quotes that the editorial team had warned against an “election advertisement for the AfD disguised as a guest article”. This is remarkable, because in pro & con debates, party politicians or people close to a party always make a point for the political movement they sympathize with. If Elon Musk had campaigned for the Greens in the Taz newspaper because of their love of electric cars, not a whiff would have gone through the press.
The suspicion arises that this is not just about the AfD and Musk. In many respects, the latest Welt affair is reminiscent of a critical article on trans hype, which was taken down after huge displeasure from the trans-moving elements of the republic. Mathias Döpfner then prescribed a strict LGBTQ-friendly course. As with the coronavirus issue, the editors, who are brushed against the grain, are testing their limits. A baptism of fire for the new editor-in-chief?
https://www.tichyseinblick.de/feuilleton/medien/afd-der-letzte-funke-hoffnung-fuer-deutschland-elon-musk-entzweit-die-welt/
Thank you Marc for this in-deep analysis of the political landscape.
Never knew it was poisonous when it comes to free speech and AfD.
I foresee a landslide victory for the AfD. Not enough to rule the country by themselves. Since no one want to cooperate with them I expect a quadrable coalition will be the result after the election and negotiation between the parties.
Markus
Skybird
12-28-24, 07:59 PM
I foresee a landslide victory for the AfD.
Not yet this time. But what the other parties are doing is all election campaigning for the AfD. They are driving up the ratings for the AfD. At the same time, they are trying to get the AfD banned. There should only be left-wing extremist, red-green politics in Germany, in line with John Ford's old saying that the Model T is available in any color - as long as you always order black.
Basically, all of this also applies to the EU's sphere of influence. In a way, the EU has declared as unthinkable a political world in which it and the euro arenot seen as the most glorious, wonderful and desirable thing on earth.
The future of us all? Will be either socialist, pro-Islamic, anti-Christian (in the meaning of histortical heritage and a general cultural influence), anti-West, totalitarian-paternalistically pro-EU - or extremist authoritarian, nationalistical. Forget democracy. Its just a slogan.
2000 years of Hellenistic-Roman civilization have come to an end. “Rome is burning”, it is ablaze. The Western world is falling, overthrown from without and corrupted from within, too rotten to be able to counter all the challenges and to withstand the storms any longer. The Western world is falling - and we who live now, are condemned to witness the fall.
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Catfish
12-29-24, 06:18 AM
^ How disappointing for you if this will not happen.
Skybird
12-29-24, 07:22 AM
No, how sad that it already is happening all around us, practically everywhere.
^ How disappointing for you if this will not happen.
Love it or loath it, Islam is course to take over eventually on the current trajectories we are on, You can toss current left and right politics out the window - and just observe a few basic numbers and principles.
Demographics: While even North Africa and India are now starting to slip below the population replacment rate of 2.1 the west's is absoutley in the gutter, to the point we will not have enough working aged tax payers to support are aging populations by 2050. China is also in big trouble here thanks to their one child policy, something the CCP now openly regrets.
Islam is still by far the fastest growing relegion and ideology on earth, the west has by and large abandoned relegion and family values or placed it below materialsm, self fullfiment and expression and wealth status, has for several decades favoured modern first world progressive thinking, which means to be outward and not inward looking or even have an out group preference, in practice this ammounts to celebrating the cultures of others and being humble or even somewhat ashamed of your own - a total inverse of right wing nationalsim and tribal ingroup preference, unfortunatley the rest of the world is not practicing this so much, and if you have zero pride or support for your own culture and heritage others cannot be reasonably expected to adopt it or continue to support or cheerlead it for you - why the hell should they? And So your culture eventually dies.
Islam as a very conservative and traditional culture is simply getting bigger and stronger, thats just reality, Islam simply cares for Its own self preservation and is not trying to be nobel and clever by putting others before itself and why would it? when it doesnt take an overly objective view of them anyway, the word god is not really up for debate. There is no sense in being mad at islam for it either, in the west our decline is 100% something we did to ourselves, the same to happens to all societies which advance in this way eventually. Its not like its the first time this has happened in human history. I think its effectlivley what happens when a culture or society gets its self to the top of the food chain, it gets complacent, starts to take many things for granted, almost delusionally belives it self to be too big to fail. You see the same thing play out with Companies, Sports teams, Artists, inderviduals, you name it. Delusions of grandure off the back of some successful legacy. People at the top get sloppy :P
The sun is setting on the west, the Progressive Left position is to accelerate its demise in favor of its own untested globalist vision, While the Rights is trying to clinge on/ preserve the nation state and national culture, it may even try to turn the clock back. Its entirley possible neither will succeed in the end.
Skybird
12-29-24, 08:42 AM
^ About Islam in Germany it should be noted that a few days ago I read somewhere, I can't remember where, that most the Christian churches that are being abandoned and sold in grpowing numbers have for some time been bought and rededicated predominantly by one group of buyers: Islamic communities. These form the largest group of buyers! Symbolically a devastating signal, because this is the absolute triumph of Islam over its adversaries, when it even claims their own God's houses for itself. In terms of the weight of meaning, this corresponds roughly to the erection of towers as a sign of the authorities' claim to power in times gone by.
Otherwise, the writing is on the wall. In the decline of schools and the disrespect for the value of general education. In the replacement of education with leftist, politically correct ideology in schools and universities. In the slow-motion collapse of the monetary system, which is increasingly being deformed into an instrument of oppression, surveillance and control. The behavior of the state in the Corona “epidemic”. The loss of military resilience. The degeneration of modern art (yes, I use the bad word...), the infantilization of artistic performance standards, and their degenerate perversion, which blatantly serves only the orgasmic satisfaction of pleasure on more and more stages. The demographically induced self-extinction. The exodus of ever larger parts of key industries. The sexual disinhibition, the denmial of basic natural standards undeniably defined by genetics and biochemistry. The destruction of family as the constellation of female mother, male father, young child. The commercial decline and desolation of city centers. The establishment of parallel societies and their social and even legal rules, alongside the state and local traditions. The erosion of infrastructure. The debt world war. The ever more fragmented harassment of citizens with bureaucracy and extortion. The increasingly blatant sanctioning of unpopular expressions of opinion. The terror of energy policy. The ever more homogenized political spectrum of choices. The delegitimization of patriotism and the denigration of one's own historically grown cultural identity, and its replacement by a universalistic, non-discriminatory identity featuring an arbitrarily designed non-discriminatory artificial image of humanity from the - ultimately Leninist - ideology laboratory. The accumulation of more and more power in fewer and fewer hands. The accumulation of control over the essential foundations of life in the hands of uncontrolled greed for profit. The transformation of capitalist free markets into monopolies. The politically correct attitude replaces the ability, the professional competence, the scrounging replaces the willingness to perform. The education crisis. The collapse of bridges and railroads.
The more individuality is demanded, the more specialized particular interests are formulated by ever smaller fractioned minorities, the greater the fragmentation, the less the unifying effect of a shared sense of belonging, the less significant shared culture and shared identity become, and instead there is even more and more antagonism and competition. In the end, everyone stands alone. Or translated: one falls after the other. The weak first, the strong last.
The writing is on every wall.I see nothing encouraging.
Germany, France (where there are Islamic attacks on at least one church every day), Sweden (where a head of government told the astonished Swedes a few years ago that Sweden no longer belonged to the Swedes, but to the foreigners who were coming), England, and of course: Brussels and the nightmare that is the EU: a corrupt criminal cartel, a syndicate of organized crime that hides behind a brutal fighting smile while spouting poisonous lies and twisting the garrots tighter and tighter around our necks, making itself unassailable to criticism by always wearing an ice-cold smiling mask.
And just btw, I think Musk does not know the AfD very well. That I defend him this time doe snot mean I agree with his views of what the AfD is. But he set the correct bigger diagnosis. Whether it is good style to interfere this directly with another nations election campaign, is something else - it quite Russian doing what he does, isn't it. On the other hand Europe is lecturing the US on many other opportunities as well, so maybe we count it as a draw... But I never denied the big entertaining value of the Trumpists.
In order to develop an inner attitude that can bear all this, it is essential to recognize that what is happening is actually happening indeed, and to understand that we as individuals have little influence in the span of our lives. We must learn to think again in longer time frames than just legislative periods and annual balance sheets - or our life span. We have to learn again to be less influenced by our delusions of individuality and more by being connected to longer-lasting, generation-spanning processes.
The construction of a cathedral, for example, used to be a mission that shaped the cityscape for generations, for centuries. Today, the attention span extends at best as far as planning one's own career steps - and after you, the deluge.
Let us be realistic. Let us renounce our loyalty to a corrupt state that betrays and deceives us. Let us realize that we will only be helped to the extent that we learn to help ourselves - against the fierce resistance of the state. Let us keep our distance, create alternative care structures and social connections where we can. The only thing that can apply to the present is to need others as little as possible and to remain loyal and faithful to our own. No matter what the cost. The times will be bitter, the loss of freedom total. You don't want to have to tell your children that - and yet: from some age on they need to know.
Skybird
12-29-24, 10:11 AM
Education crisis in Germany: A system on the brink
In Germany, an above-average number of young people leave school early or drop out of education compared to the rest of the EU. The proportion of young people who only completed lower secondary level, i.e. the intermediate school leaving certificate, was 12.8% in 2023, significantly above the EU average of 9.5%, as a recent draft report by the EU Commission warns. Germany is therefore in the critical range - only Spain and Romania are doing worse.
The number of trainees dropping out of training in Germany has reached a new high in recent years. According to calculations by the Federal Institute for Vocational Education and Training (BIBB), a total of 155,325 training contracts were terminated prematurely in 2022.
Given that 475,100 new training contracts were concluded, this corresponds to a termination rate of just under 30 percent - the highest figure ever recorded.
The increase in inadequate basic skills among pupils is a particular cause for concern. As denounced in the current EU draft for the EU's so-called “Joint Employment Report”, the proportion of 15-year-old Germans without basic skills in mathematics has almost doubled since 2012. An obvious sign of the failure of German education policy.
The results of the international school performance study PISA in recent years in particular highlight the educational crisis. According to the 2023 PISA survey, the German school system has fallen back to a level that it actually left behind 20 years ago. In addition to deficits in mathematics, German pupils also show considerable weaknesses in reading skills and science.
Last year's PISA study showed that around 26% of young people in Germany can only read to a limited extent - an increase of five percentage points compared to the 2018 survey. These pupils are often unable to grasp the meaning of a text or reflect on it critically. There is also another alarming deficit: a recent analysis of PISA data shows that one in five young people in Germany is barely able to think creatively.
This is particularly worrying in view of the fact that creative thinking is one of the key skills for the future. This ability is considered indispensable for coping with change and adapting to new situations.
But what are the reasons for the drop in performance? The main cause is the massive underfunding of the education sector. Outdated school buildings, inadequate equipment, an acute shortage of teachers and insufficient teacher training characterize the picture.
A key factor here is that Germany has particularly low public spending on education compared to other countries. According to Eurostat statistics from 2023, Germany invested just 5.12% of its gross domestic product (GDP) in education - a figure that is clearly too low. In an EU comparison, this puts Germany in tenth place in the ranking of countries with the highest spending on education.
Budget planning in Germany resembles a disaster. While education and infrastructure are neglected at home and savings are made on essential investments in the future, billions flow abroad or seep away in the costly illusions of the energy transition.
The need for refurbishment in German schools is alarming and has become even more acute in recent years. According to the KfW development bank's municipal panel, the investment backlog this year is around 54.8 billion euros - an increase of 7.3 billion euros compared to the previous year. Many school buildings are in a desolate state: leaking gyms, run-down playgrounds and moldy main buildings are not uncommon. Some schools even have to close their main buildings completely due to severe mold infestation. In extreme cases, lessons take place in containers or pupils sit in overcrowded classrooms. The focus on the individual pupil often falls by the wayside in large classes.
In addition, the curriculum is not very practice-oriented and is based more on ideology than on subject content. It seems as if a clear agenda is being pursued in the German school system. From an early age, children and young people are deliberately fed information that is politically correct. Left-green people are brought up who have forgotten how to question and doubt certain narratives they are given: climate action is important, Trump is evil, as is the AfD; the SPD and Greens are good and likeable. Diversity is enrichment, traditional values are racism, and so on.
The gender and LGBTQ ideology in particular, which is imposed on pupils from an early age and is now firmly anchored in the curriculum, leaves lasting damage. From early sexualization, to the destruction of the flow of speech through gender language [Skybird: utmost relevant from a neuro- and even neurolinguistical POV!! Speech structure of any language and thinkiung are hadrwired to each other, thats why I am convinced that different ethnicities and cultures=different languages indeed think differently on a conceptual level], to the destruction of the conservative image of the family.
The situation is alarming: high school and training drop-out rates as well as declining basic skills in core subjects such as mathematics and reading are evidence of a desolate education system. The underfunding of the sector, dilapidated infrastructure and an acute shortage of teachers further exacerbate the situation. At the same time, the increasing ideologization of the curriculum acts as a burden. In the long term, Germany is in danger of falling behind in international comparison.
https://www.tichyseinblick.de/meinungen/bildungskrise-in-deutschland/
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If I were a father, I either would send my kids on a private school, or leave Germany - or would not have kids at all. I still was lucky, I had a very good school and very good teachers from class 7 to 11, it also had a good deal history and tradition, ranging back into pre-WW1 times. Many teachers I remember with a feeling of thankfulness, even kind of love.
But when I watch the homepage of that school now, 40 years later, my neck hair is raising.
Again, sign of the times. Things are falling.
Following Skybirds description about the led policy in Germany, makes me understand why there's so high a percentage of none-voters.
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Catfish
12-29-24, 11:30 AM
^ Voter turnout in Germany is about 76 percent, no major change:
https://www.gut-leben-in-deutschland.de/indicators/democracy-and-freedom/voter-turnout/
For a comparison it was around 64 percent in the US, and I think about 84 in Denmark.
Catfish
12-29-24, 12:03 PM
re why the AfD is an extremist party, and it is not only about overthrowing democracy
https://www-institut--fuer--menschenrechte-de.translate.goog/aktuelles/detail/die-voraussetzungen-fuer-ein-afd-verbot-sind-erfuellt?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
In the Dutch House of Representatives elections in November 2023, the turnout rate was 77.7%, about 1.1% lower than last time. Highest was in 1977 a turnout percentage of 88.1% since then it fluctuates up and down you can't draw any real conclusion from turnout percentage the majority keeps voting and that's how our democracy works the majority decides.
Had to translate this danish article and post it here in our GER politics thread.
I presume he is very much wrong in his statement
MarkusAbsolute freedom means absolute responsibility. There will always be consequences, the way consequences are delivered can differ. Some of the ways to deliver consequences are more in line with repression or even totalitarian than others. Musk as “Free speech absolutist” is by default absolute totalitarian!Nobel laureate Doris Lessing in her book Prisons we choose to live inside. Brainwashing, Lessing writes, has three elements. The first is creating fear and tension ‘the country is going down’ alternating with relaxation, ‘the sun is going to shine again.’ The second element is repetition. Saying the same thing over and over again, shouting, screaming. The third is reducing complex reality to simple slogans. ‘’Close the borders‘’.If you see AFD voters as people who have been brainwashed, the perspective changes. In public discourse, they are never viewed that way. There, they are disgruntled voters or racists. Rarely are they portrayed as victims of deception. The AFD makes people racist who weren't before, there they too. Racism is also a form of brainwashing. We are not born racists, anyone who works in a kindergarten knows, we are made that way. Without us realising it. Don't believe simple slogans. Not even those of people you agree with, because brainwashing is not tied to political affiliation. The politicians and media totally distorted reality into a totally different story, fuelling hatred. It would be good if the people would dare to think, how they themselves are accountable to the government and administration. However, the people demand all sorts of things, do not act in accordance with their own laws and rules, yet call to account those who are trying to remedy the shortcomings every so often and demand the most contradictory things from them. Self-interest and the delusion of the day is more decisive than reasonable sense and the common good.
Those who are not for us are against us. Everything foreign must be banished and is a threat to the true nature of the people. This creates an atmosphere of arbitrariness and lawlessness, whereby anyone can be made an enemy of the system by anyone. All this for the glory of the populist leaders. The restoration or the road back to a free society in function of the common good will require ever greater sacrifices if the dissenting voices delay and recoil from the violence of the demagogues. ‘Wir haben es nicht gewusst’.
Skybird
12-29-24, 01:02 PM
re why the AfD is an extremist party, and it is not only about overthrowing democracy
https://www-institut--fuer--menschenrechte-de.translate.goog/aktuelles/detail/die-voraussetzungen-fuer-ein-afd-verbot-sind-erfuellt?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
This “institute” is like Deutsche Umwelthilfe, for example: formally and on paper politically independent, but actually commissioned and financed by the Bundestag. In other words: an alibi actor, and closely linked to the UN, which is anything but impartial.
“Wessen Brot ich ess, dessen Lied ich sing'...”
This does not necessarily mean that everything that is said against the AfD is wrong. But the basic tone of the argumentation is clear, and is charged with maximum opportunism, actually always. The Nazi club is always immediately swung and slobbered against everything that does not correspond to the politically desired woke-left-red-green standardization.
I myself have repeatedly described the AfD as a "Dreckspartei" and denied it the presence of competent experts at federal level, in addition to its obvious closeness to Russia and its postulate of wanting to leave NATO. No, I haven't forgotten all that! So, I have no illusions. I once called them an Sturmtruppe - to tear down and destroy the existing party representation; the other parties cannot be trusted to do that. I don't see German politics or the EU being capable of reform anywhere, not even in homeopathic doses.
However, there is cooperation with the AfD in a few local circles, out of necessity. Some of their people seem to be failing - as predicted. Others are doing a good job. Good enough at least that the others at least tolerate them and work together without bickering and bluster. There is also a spectrum of opinion in the AfD, not just one, all-dominant doctrine. And the will to opportunism also corrupts “iron” principles in the AfD. For example, there is a conflict between the demands of some that the family should be viewed as father-mother-child, similar to what I also demand. At the same time, they have a party leader who lives in a lesbian relationship with a partner (from Sri Lanka...) and has two adopted sons. I guess that's what you call “flexibility”... By the way, I can't stand Weidel for the life of me. So please don't draw the wrong conclusions.
The problem is - the AfD is the only alternative in the party spectrum with a realistic chance of shaking up the far-left, woke, green-red status quo. There is no one else in sight who even has a chance of doing so. Nobody. So if someone says “never with the AfD”, they have codified the woke green-red misery until the end of time - and I will not accept that, ever: because it pisses me off completely, totally, unlimitedly.
In the event of a coalition between the CDU/CSU and AfD, the CDU would (still) be the stronger party, with a ratio of around 3:2. Such a government would force the AfD to put its cards on the table and prove what it is willing and able to do - and what it is not. It would either prove its ability to compromise, or its inability. One of the two. The former would be a gain, the latter a disaster as predicted by many - but no greater disaster than 3 years of energy and economic destruction by the traffic light government and 16 years of Merkel.
The disaster that red-green, and before that Merkel, are responsible for is a historically proven fact, it is beyond doubt, it is stated, certified and proven. In contrast, the claim that the AfD performs in a way that in the end it is just as much to blame for this is less important and is first and foremost an assertion and speculation: just a claim. It remains to be seen what will come of it. If necessary, the CDU could pull the emergency brake and let the coalition collapse prematurely.
Normally, I would not agree to this experiment either. But the situation is as self-destructive as it is desperate. If we continue to practice this left-wing, woke red-green and uncritically EU-friendly mishmash, we really don't stand a chance.
The AfD would probably fail in government, just like everyone else. That's what even I say! But - it has never been proven by example. The others have all proven their incompetence and unsuitability, not just in their slogans and catchphrases, but in their actions and the tangible consequences. A disaster. We have practically nothing left to lose that would not get lost without drastic change anyway.
Let them show us whether they can do something - or not. They will probably fulfill our expectations (including mine!!) and fail. Yes, even I assume that! The worst case would be as expected. Or the worst-case scenario will not happen. That would be an unlikely surprise. But a positive one. So what do we have to lose? Just endless red-green politicking, and I don't have a good word to say for that.
The problem is - the AfD is the only alternative in the party spectrum with a realistic chance of shaking up the far-left, woke, green-red status quo. There is no one else in sight who even has a chance of doing so. Nobody. So if someone says “never with the AfD”, they have codified the woke green-red misery until the end of time - and I will not accept that, ever: because it pisses me off completely, totally, unlimitedly.
Let them show us whether they can do something - or not. They will probably fulfill our expectations (including mine!!) and fail. Yes, even I assume that! The worst case would be as expected. Or the worst-case scenario will not happen. That would be an unlikely surprise. But a positive one. So what do we have to lose? Just endless red-green politicking, and I don't have a good word to say for that.Oh sure, let them try what absolute could go wrong.
The 78 AfD-Bondsdag members and the group do not provide information on the exact number of collaborators, but the journalists managed to identify 500 of them and investigate their backgrounds. More than 100 of them are active in organisations classified as right-wing extremist by the security service Verfassungsschutz. These include groups such as the Reichsbürger, Ein Prozent, and the Identitäre Bewegung. https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/afd-im-bundestag-mehr-als-100-rechtsextreme-mitarbeiter,U6iXl6t
Oh sure, let them try what absolute could go wrong.
The 78 AfD-Bondsdag members and the group do not provide information on the exact number of collaborators, but the journalists managed to identify 500 of them and investigate their backgrounds. More than 100 of them are active in organisations classified as right-wing extremist by the security service Verfassungsschutz. These include groups such as the Reichsbürger, Ein Prozent, and the Identitäre Bewegung. https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/afd-im-bundestag-mehr-als-100-rechtsextreme-mitarbeiter,U6iXl6t
Just out of interest, the extreme right is the only faction you deem as a threat? unchecked extreme left = no problem?
Skybird
12-29-24, 05:21 PM
Alternatives to woke left red green politics. If not at least once trying the AfD - who else then?
Anyone?
Any alternative offerings...?
Any ideas...??
Nothing...???
Well. Thats not convincing. I am not impressed.
I am 57. Since over 35 years or so I observe politics as a more or less adult being. These years brought me to where I am. I have never voted for any party or any politician, I never legitimised any one of them for anything, not to mention: speaking on my behalf and speaking for me. I never trusted any of them, and the past 35 years, year for year, proved me right not to do so. And here I live, in a country that goes down the gutter and in a time that sees the influential European heritage beign raped, abused and dispised.
And I am not allowed to disagree with this self-destruction, and am expected to support those who finish off the little rest that remained so far?
If that is so, then I say: let it all burn down, burn down, burn down. I will not lend one cup of water.
I don't like the "right", or Nazis. It is just that I do not see the "left" or the socialists as any better. The latter are the same sort of scum as the former. I despise them both, equally. They are two souls in one body, and what they are called as, "Nazhi" or "Socialist", depends on the context of the raving party at which they show their ugly faces.
Lets use the one against the other - to finally get rid of both.
Catfish
12-29-24, 05:59 PM
The word 'woke' originated in African American Vernacular English to refer to being 'woken up to' or alert to issues around racial injustice.
Using this word by today's right wing for everything they do not like is moronic.
Which is what you are. I'm out of here.
Alternatives to woke left red green politics. If not at least once trying the AfD - who else then?
Anyone?
Any alternative offerings...?
Any ideas...??
Nothing...???
Well. Thats not convincing. I am not impressed.
I am 57. Since over 35 years or so I observe politics as a more or less adult being. These years brought me to where I am. I have never voted for any party or any politician, I never legitimised any one of them for anything, not to mention: speaking on my behalf and speaking for me. I never trusted any of them, and the past 35 years, year for year, proved me right not to do so. And here I live, in a country that goes down the gutter and in a time that sees the influential European heritage beign raped, abused and dispised.
And I am not allowed to disagree with this self-destruction, and am expected to support those who finish off the little rest that remained so far?
If that is so, then I say: let it all burn down, burn down, burn down. I will not lend one cup of water.
I don't like the "right", or Nazis. It is just that I do not see the "left" or the socialists as any better. The latter are the same sort of scum as the former. I despise them both, equally. They are two souls in one body, and what they are called as, "Nazhi" or "Socialist", depends on the context of the raving party at which they show their ugly faces.
Lets use the one against the other - to finally get rid of both.
I am not gone do the thinking for you that is your problem sit back and biaach what other do wrong. If you want change YOU have do something about that yourselve live is not a free ride.
Just out of interest, the extreme right is the only faction you deem as a threat? unchecked extreme left = no problem?That "unchecked extreme left" are the ones beside me on the street to confront those fascist! Fascism is not to be debated, it is to be destroyed!
Whatever happened to the free speech under responsibility ? Seems to me it's only some who have this right while others shall keep their mouth closed.
Far right, have the right to speak and we have the privileges to reject their words. Same goes for far left.
NO one is above or under the law of free speech.
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Skybird
12-29-24, 09:38 PM
switch on english subtitles.
https://youtu.be/onkgPTPnNPc?si=KNmdyMb2rwjyI84A
Ostfriese
12-30-24, 02:13 AM
Far right, have the right to speak and we have the privileges to reject their words.
It's usually the "conservatives" and far right who see "Freedom of Speech" as "I am allowed to say everything I want and everybody else has to shut up"
It's usually the "conservatives" and far right who see "Freedom of Speech" as "I am allowed to say everything I want and everybody else has to shut up"
No one has the right to close the mouth on their opponent. Yes there is a huge responsibility in free speech. I love free speech with a limit. Mocking another person for his standpoint or belief is not ok.
Markus
That "unchecked extreme left" are the ones beside me on the street to confront those fascist! Fascism is not to be debated, it is to be destroyed!
So thats a no.. interesting.
The word 'woke' originated in African American Vernacular English to refer to being 'woken up to' or alert to issues around racial injustice.
Using this word by today's right wing for everything they do not like is moronic.
Which is what you are. I'm out of here.
To me the word 'woke' just means to have subscribed to some kind of alternative thinking deemed to be outside the mainstream, I remember a bunch of consipiricy nuts in the early 20 teens using it alot.
Skybird
12-30-24, 08:52 AM
What the term "woke" means nowadays?
What the term “woke” might have meant hundreds of years ago is of little interest. How it is used today, in today's contemporary language and sociological and political usage - that is what counts. Language changes and transforms. So does the acceptance for or against the use of terms.
In the modern sense, the term “woke” is associated with conjuring up a hyper-moral inequality between two sides, by means of which one tries to force the other into a defensive, inferior, guilty position from the outset, from which a compulsion to make amends to the supposedly guilty party is derived, a pressure to justify oneself that is intended to prevent the accused from acting and arguing for themselves. In this way, the woke uses this tactic to assert particular special interests for his (mostly minority or ideological) group and to exploit them for endless and ever-expanding compensation payments in the sense of an avalanche.
In other words: being woke in the contemporary context means self-victimization in order to capitalize on it for oneself. The guilt of the other person does not even have to be proven; the mere assertion of guilt is already regarded as proof of fact, which, like a noose in which the victim wriggles, closes ever tighter around his neck the more he resists.
Wokism leads to the increasing brutalization of egoism, asociality, fragmentation of society, it counteracts the proclaimed goal of tolerance and solidarity and, with increasing sectarian zeal, demands more and more for itself alone - and also it demands that the other person be denied what is demanded for one's own sect, and it even demands the subjugation of the other person to one'S own dogma, and often an increasing disinhibition of communicative means and social manners can be observed in order to enforce this subjugation.
For me, the woke is a brutal asocial and fanatical egoist, an intolerant zealot with no sense of personal responsibility, personal contribution/performing, or pragmatic connection to reality. He is not interested in historical truths, falsification of history is a legitimate means to a selfish end, he is only interested in the abuse of others whose blood he wants to suck, accusations for the purpose of his own enrichment and ideological self-affirmation. I despise this brood. They are parasitizing at my expense and are living at my cost, that is their living model, because the state is forcing me to comply with these parasites.
Skybird
12-30-24, 09:28 AM
:har:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pffHxgf3egk
I did not know this guy so far. He live sin Germany since over 40 years, originally coming from Lebanon. But he did a lot of small internet movies, what I saw so far was pure gold. Though not funny at all, but very - well... realistic. The video on the previous page is by him, too. His films are boycotted in German mainstream. I assume its only a question of time until YT will sack him, too.
We need so many more of these free flying minds. But they get hunted down mercilessly.
English subtitles required if you understand no German.
Ostfriese
12-30-24, 09:40 AM
While in reality "woke" by now is only used by a certain group of people with the sole purpose of degrading somebody else to avoid having to listen to any of his/her arguments.
A classic "Kampfbegriff".
Skybird
12-30-24, 09:56 AM
While in reality "woke" by now is only used by a certain group of people with the sole purpose of degrading somebody else to avoid having to listen to any of his/her arguments.
A classic "Kampfbegriff".
And this claim is what the psychologist in me would call a classical case of projection.
What the term "woke" means nowadays?
What the term “woke” might have meant hundreds of years ago is of little interest. How it is used today, in today's contemporary language and sociological and political usage - that is what counts. Language changes and transforms. So does the acceptance for or against the use of terms.
In the modern sense, the term “woke” is associated with conjuring up a hyper-moral inequality between two sides, by means of which one tries to force the other into a defensive, inferior, guilty position from the outset, from which a compulsion to make amends to the supposedly guilty party is derived, a pressure to justify oneself that is intended to prevent the accused from acting and arguing for themselves. In this way, the woke uses this tactic to assert particular special interests for his (mostly minority or ideological) group and to exploit them for endless and ever-expanding compensation payments in the sense of an avalanche.
In other words: being woke in the contemporary context means self-victimization in order to capitalize on it for oneself. The guilt of the other person does not even have to be proven; the mere assertion of guilt is already regarded as proof of fact, which, like a noose in which the victim wriggles, closes ever tighter around his neck the more he resists.
Wokism leads to the increasing brutalization of egoism, asociality, fragmentation of society, it counteracts the proclaimed goal of tolerance and solidarity and, with increasing sectarian zeal, demands more and more for itself alone - and also it demands that the other person be denied what is demanded for one's own sect, and it even demands the subjugation of the other person to one'S own dogma, and often an increasing disinhibition of communicative means and social manners can be observed in order to enforce this subjugation.
For me, the woke is a brutal asocial and fanatical egoist, an intolerant zealot with no sense of personal responsibility, personal contribution/performing, or pragmatic connection to reality. He is not interested in historical truths, falsification of history is a legitimate means to a selfish end, he is only interested in the abuse of others whose blood he wants to suck, accusations for the purpose of his own enrichment and ideological self-affirmation. I despise this brood. They are parasitizing at my expense and are living at my cost, that is their living model, because the state is forcing me to comply with these parasites.
I say since 2016, leftism woke has gone main stream, its not really punching up anymore, its essentially being just safely aliged with the status quo on most issues. That is until the Trumps, Musks and Milies take over everything anyway.
Catfish
12-30-24, 12:33 PM
I say since 2016, leftism woke has gone main stream, its not really punching up anymore, its essentially being just safely aliged with the status quo on most issues. That is until the Trumps, Musks and Milies take over everything anyway.
I agree, at least in Germany it is not extreme leftism or socialism, just because some say it is. The pendulum swung this way and it will swing back. Also Putin has managed to wake up some people here, and all over Europe.
@Skybird I guess I have to say sorry for giving you names further north in this thread. I had just watched an interview with AfD's Alice Weidel and Neonazi Hoecke. What a bullsh!t. How can anyone vote for this party and say in ten years "I did not see this coming, it is not my fault". Somehow heard of all this before, and I am not for a new experiment. But again, sorry.
Skybird
12-30-24, 12:46 PM
I say since 2016, leftism woke has gone main stream, its not really punching up anymore, its essentially being just safely aliged with the status quo on most issues. That is until the Trumps, Musks and Milies take over everything anyway.
I cannot explain it any better than this film does. An eye opener. Non-Germans interested in German politics I can only recommend to take it upon them and activate the English translation subtitles so that they can understand ther film, its 25 minutes. Its not ideal with subtitles, but this film is very, very revealing and explains German politics extremely well, and form its middle on it explains why and how they swung so left. It already began in the 60s, if not late 50s, after the direct economic hardship of the war's immediate consequences had eased a bit and the Wirtschaftswunder began.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2938534&postcount=2472
The Marsch durch die Instanzen - I repeatedly mentioned it before, I just did not know that the term derived directly from Rudi Dutschke. Schools. Universities. Companies. Public media. Legislation and politics and parties. The Green Party (originally ultra-left-maoist-marxist- communist, something that nobody wants to hear these days). The whole state. The whole society. Now we are there. Hooray. What the RAF did not acchieve, Dutschke did - as he predicted.
I agree, at least in Germany it is not extreme leftism or socialism, just because some say it is. The pendulum swung this way and it will swing back. Also Putin has managed to wake up some people here, and all over Europe.
@Skybird I guess I have to say sorry for giving you names further north in this thread. I had just watched an interview with AfD's Alice Weidel and Neonazi Hoecke. What a bullsh!t. How can anyone vote for this party and say in ten years "I did not see this coming, it is not my fault". Somehow heard of all this before, and I am not for a new experiment. But again, sorry.
You should have seen this coming-The combination of the German voters throughout decades have create this cancer on the society.
They, the voters in Europe can only blame them self for this cancer which is spreading across Europe
Markus
Skybird
12-30-24, 01:00 PM
@Skybird I guess I have to say sorry for giving you names further north in this thread. I had just watched an interview with AfD's Alice Weidel and Neonazi Hoecke. What a bullsh!t. How can anyone vote for this party and say in ten years "I did not see this coming, it is not my fault". Somehow heard of all this before, and I am not for a new experiment. But again, sorry.
Its fine, Cat, I am kind of used to you blowing up a bit every couple of months :D. sometimes we agree more, and sometimes we disagree more. As long as you have understood at least that I am no Hoecke-fan or Nazi voter and hold no fascist convictions and have very different, pragmatic, desperate reasons to say about the AfD what I do say about them, you must not worry. I admit, I necessarily am easy to be misunderstood there. Again, my sympathy for the AfD is nill. Zero. Null. Non-existent. You are far more optimistic on the reformability of things, while I am not at all, and you have more psoitive views of the Eu than I have, mine are absolutely negative, completely. Thats what gets us crossing blades at times. I dont take your venting that much personal anymore. Irritating sometimes, but thats it. :03:
You should have seen this coming-The combination of the German voters throughout decades have create this cancer on the society.
They, the voters in Europe can only blame them self for this cancer which is spreading across Europe
Markus
Well yeah, ultimatley we all get the society we deserve in most cases. and Everything wrong with Europe - we did to ourselves.
Skybird
12-30-24, 01:02 PM
You should have seen this coming-The combination of the German voters throughout decades have create this cancer on the society.
They, the voters in Europe can only blame them self for this cancer which is spreading across Europe
Markus
Again, that film I linked. You even understand German.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2938534&postcount=2472
Well yeah, ultimatley we all get the society we deserve in most cases. and Everything wrong with Europe - we did to ourselves.
There is a saying - 'He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it'
I know the ghost of the nazis past is haunting in the mind of the elderly Germans and even the young ones.... If nothing is done I foresee a flourishing of the nazi party and the far right parties across Europe.
Sweden is a classic example on how a far right party goes from being unknown for the ordinary Swede and to grow up and get 20 % in the latest election
Markus
There is a saying - 'He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it'
I know the ghost of the nazis past is haunting in the mind of the elderly Germans and even the young ones.... If nothing is done I foresee a flourishing of the nazi party and the far right parties across Europe.
Sweden is a classic example on how a far right party goes from being unknown for the ordinary Swede and to grow up and get 20 % in the latest election
Markus
Oh but we just love repeating misakes from history on this planet, if not those from our own nations past, then we can copy the screw ups from another nations past. :D the falacy and arrogance of: "it will be alright if WE are the ones doing it"
Skybird
12-30-24, 03:50 PM
Elon Musk and the German Greens.
https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/analyse-von-ulrich-reitz-ein-musk-satz-von-robert-habeck-ist-furchteinfloessend-und-entlarvend_id_260598189.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Skybird
12-30-24, 06:08 PM
[Die Welt] In 2024, the SME sector already recorded a 40% decline. The situation is hardly expected to improve in 2025. This is how pessimistic the 3.5 million SMEs are about the new year:
According to a survey, SMEs fear a rapid economic deterioration in the coming year. Eight out of ten SMEs (80%) expect the German economy to shrink at an accelerated rate in 2025, according to a survey by the German Association of Small and Medium-Sized Enterprises (BVMW).
A good 58% of the SMEs surveyed said that they expected an economic downturn. One in five SMEs are preparing for an economic depression in the next twelve months.
According to the survey, 40 percent of SMEs recorded a drop in turnover in the year just ended. Another 40 percent of respondents also stated that they intended to invest less in the new year than in the previous year.
In addition to the general economic situation, SMEs are particularly concerned about the shortage of skilled workers: 62% of SMEs feared that they would not be able to fill vacant training positions in the coming year.
“Not only our economy, but also confidence in improvement have been shaken by the political back and forth of recent years,” says Christoph Ahlhaus, the association's Federal Managing Director. “Anyone who wants to bear political responsibility in Germany must explain conclusively how our economy can move forward again.”
BVMW Chief Economist Hans-Jürgen Völz said that it is important to implement a reform policy in all branches of social security, in the area of bureaucracy reduction, energy costs, labor market and social policy so that companies regain hope and also invest in Germany.
“It is crucial to focus on the 3.5 million German SMEs and not on large companies and corporations that can choose their locations worldwide,” said Völz. “It is important that well-meaning Sunday speeches singing the praises of SMEs are finally matched by corresponding political action in parliament from Monday to Friday.” Small and medium-sized enterprises must do well because they provide training, create jobs and are very innovative.
https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article254994706/Prognose-Mittelstand-erwartet-fuer-2025-wirtschaftliche-Depression.html
^ What does SME mean ?
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Skybird
12-30-24, 06:18 PM
Mittelstand = Small and Medium-sized Enterprises.
Skybird
01-01-25, 11:50 AM
Interview with a constitutional law expert who takes a critical look at the state's deliberate restriction of freedom of expression and the shift in the duty of loyalty to the constitution towards the duty of submission to public officials.
https://www.nzz.ch/international/hausdurchsuchung-wegen-lappalien-juraprofessor-warnt-vor-einschuechterung-ld.1860775?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
What exactly has become a problem as a result of the reform?
One example: If a civil servant considers an instruction to be unlawful, then he is obliged to remonstrate, i.e. in practice to refuse to carry out the instruction. No one should be able to claim that they were only following orders. The decision must then be made by the superior's superior. Of course, this is always tricky. The remonstrating officer does not make himself popular with his superior. As it is precisely this superior who has reprimanded him who can now quickly remove him from office by decree, the civil servant may prefer to keep quiet. This is very worrying in view of the traditional principles of the civil service, according to which the administration should first and foremost be loyal to the constitution and the state and only secondarily loyal to the government. The government should also be controlled within the executive, so to speak, by the civil service.
The new disciplinary law appears to be one building block in a whole series of developments that all lead to restrictions on freedom of expression.
That's how I see it, and the various elements intertwine in a worrying way. There is a strong tendency towards more and more propaganda on the one hand and censorship in the broadest sense on the other, both in science and in the media, and this is supported by the state and officially summarized under the heading of information management. There are several elements to this. There is a kind of pseudo-enlightenment by supposed experts, while critics are deconstructed, marginalized and stigmatized, keyword fake news, hate and agitation.
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Since then, the term hate and agitation has experienced a real inflation. Yet these are vague terms.
Such terms are used as leverage to take measures to restrict freedom of expression. House searches are carried out on the basis of trivialities. This is unacceptable because Article 5 guarantees freedom of expression and the limits are clearly stated there: the right to personal honor, the protection of young people and the general laws. These laws must be precisely worded so that everyone knows how far their freedom of expression extends. Hate and agitation are not legal terms like insult or defamation, which are also very vague in themselves, but have been largely clarified by case law. What is described as hate and incitement to hatred today is largely permitted.
The “general laws” primarily refer to criminal laws. They have been greatly expanded - the less you can say. For example, the incitement of the people paragraph now has many more paragraphs than before, and recently the “lèse majesté” paragraph 188 StGB, which is intended to protect the honor of politicians, has also become a talking point.
Section 130 - incitement of the people - has been constantly expanded to include new offenses, which are viewed very critically by many criminal law experts due to their vagueness, but also because of their tendency to restrict the possibility of public discussion. Criminal liability under section 188 has also been extended. This was previously limited to the assertion of false facts, specifically defamation and slander. In April 2021, it was extended to include libel, i.e. value judgments. The practice that has become established is also worrying. There have been house searches because of internet posts. What is the point of a house search if someone forwards a post? What do they want to confiscate? The sole purpose is to intimidate.Schlimm. Ganz schlimm.
Soon I will get criminalised for saying that it is "very bad". And I will not be able to defend myself at court, because the gagging of civil servants of course includes judges, too, they are civil servants with superiors above them. Go figure.
Gesinnungsterror, politisch gewollt. Politically correct attitude before righteousness and justice.
Like in the GDR. Just easier to enforce, thanks to modern technolgy and media.
Jimbuna
01-01-25, 01:53 PM
Gesinnungsterror, politisch gewollt. Politically correct attitude before righteousness and justice.
Like in the GDR. Just easier to enforce, thanks to modern technolgy and media.
Same crap as is being dished out here in the UK :yep:
Skybird
01-04-25, 07:20 AM
German politicians and Elon Musk. One troll and plenty of idiots falling for him.
https://www.nzz.ch/der-andere-blick/die-aufregung-ueber-elon-musk-ist-verlogen-deutsche-politiker-mischen-sich-staendig-in-fremde-wahlen-ein-ld.1864553?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://i.ibb.co/x6yzxcW/elonrichbitch.jpg (https://ibb.co/jDd3nxm)
Skybird
01-08-25, 05:37 AM
Na toll.:roll: :-?
Though not really surprising if you have at least some rudimentary basic understanding of of the matter. Just 1. rudimentary 2. basic understanding I mean - not even special expertise.
Hit "I already support" to pass for free.
https://www-tichyseinblick-de.translate.goog/kolumnen/klima-durchblick/nach-der-dunkelflaute-kommt-die-gefaehrlichere-hellbrise/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Skybird
01-10-25, 06:20 AM
In Berlin, the inner-city sections of the city highway will no longer be illuminated at night as a contribution to climate protection and the reduction of CO2 emissions; the lights will be switched off permanently. Lights will only be left on in tunnels.
Well, hooray then - the climate rescue can finally begin. :-?
The good thing is with switched off lights you can no longer see how dirty and ugly Berlin is - especially its supreme ideologists in command.
In my own hometown Muenster, over several years (!, other countries would have needed just months, the Chinese probably just a weekend :D ) a new light system was installed along a bicycle lane along the Dortmund-Ems-Channel , which lays in the North-East, East, South-East, South and South-West of the city, allowing for fast and comfortable travelling to the other side of the city. They installed an adaptive light system that only illuminates that part of the track where a bicycle is underway, and without bikes it switches off until the next one comes along. More complex installation, much higher costs. Now, on two thirds of the track they have switched it off completely, all night long. To save energy and to contribute to reeucing climate emissions. Since two years, since they finished it - I checked it out especially in the dark months of the year when darkness falls early in the afternoon. I have never seen the new light system working anywhere. Never. Its not dysfunctional, it could work, but they do not switch it on.
The city administration was asked in an open letter once, why they even have installed it for much money in the first if then they do not allow to use it. The answer was that a good light installation raises the security feeling of especially women driving there alone in the dark. The argument why then the lights do not get switched on, is unanswered until today. In the remaining third of the long track where they allow the lights, they are only switched on during rush hours.
I am sentenced to life in a mental asylum and I am not even told what I am being charged with. The charge is probably one of insufficiently displayed personal stupidity, conspiracy against stupid collectivism, and thought crime against the state.
Jimbuna
01-10-25, 08:21 AM
I'd laugh if it wasn't criminally insane :o
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