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Skybird

04-05-18, 06:36 AM

The decline of "made in Germany".

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fweltrett er_ohne_puste&edit-text=

A luxurious position they are in. More drive and motivation in your economy you cannot wish for. Competition, but not from far away, but your own people. Cannot become better. Competition drives innovation.

And that is what the Germany of "made in Germany" has forgot.

So it’s true that Chinese companies are opening up the world market for electric vehicles. But they will never find peace, because their competitors from their own country sit incessantly on their backs.
Instead of investing into economy and business, Germany wasted 94 billion in fueling the mass migration to get a biggest share as possible of uneducated, non-socialised net wellfare receivers, many of them being hostile to our value order and liberal societies' fundaments.

In this country proves to be proficient, who has to fear Chinese industrial spies or share purchases. If there are no such maneuvers, politicians may cheer, but business owners know that they have done something wrong.

^ :D

Today I read that the top ten American banks are worth twice as much as the top ten European banks (amongst which, on last rank, is just one German bank, DB). While European banks hold as many commercial papers as the American ones, A mericna banks dwarfen European baks with net profits and operational wins. With the low interest regime by Draghi, to finance the debts of the southeuropean states and deceive over the fact that the system is exploding in slow motion, European banks promise to remain under economic pressure for long time to come. With Amerina finance institutes flourishing and looking forward to Trump's tax reform.

A Europe with a head full of itself and standing on legs thin like two pencils. A Germany and France that want to pump even more weight upwards, above the shoulders.

Well. A nce scripture for the German economy'S gravestone:

Decisive, however, are the young talents, because - according to Google’s Personnel Director Laszlo Bock in 2015 - a top engineer outweighs three hundred good engineers. For these rare species, the children from the highest math achievement group form the recruiting pool. TIMSS 2015 ( Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study ) includes 32 (Japan) to 50 percent (Singapore) of ten-year-olds among the East Asians in the top segment. Since only Taiwan (35 percent) and Hong Kong (45 percent) of the Chinese participate, the value for the People’s Republic must be estimated. It should be lower than in the more heavily selected territories. Notwithstanding expected complaints, assuming 27 percent, there are currently 35 million aces at work. Switzerland, with 565,000 people in the 25 to 29-cohort (555,000 in 2020) and an extrapolated 25 per cent from PISA in 2015, represents a good 140,000. In Germany, however, only 5.3 percent, or around 275,000 children, belong to the top. That’s 0.8 percent of the Chinese volume .
Considering this, you can just break down and cry when following what they debate over here regarding German school politics. Ridiculous, and hopelessly disconnected from reality. The crashing bill waits some years ahead of us.

Skybird

04-08-18, 07:54 AM

From Switzerland's Basler Zeitung, but in principle the same is true in Germany and from a German perspective as well.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbazonline.ch%2Fschweiz%2Fstandard% 2Fafrikas-untergang-und-verderben%2Fstory%2F10477225&edit-text=

This narrative is so powerful because it is based on old, ultimately Marxist legends, which have been used again and again for more than one hundred and fifty years. That does not make them any truer, but they are always believed - far into bourgeois, even anti-Marxist circles. Why are we rich in the West? Why are the rest so poor? Karl Marx could explain this only as a kind of conspiracy of the entrepreneurs and rich against the "wage-dependent" and the poor. Marx has already started from an unfair exchange between employer and employee, where the employer succeeds in over-skimming the surplus value created by the worker. Marx therefore expected that in the long run the worker would be worse and worse, while the entrepreneur, the bourgeois, would become more and more powerful and above all fat.

This left-wing, pseudo-scientific conspiracy theory was easily transferred to the relationship between rich and poor countries. Was not the Third World the proletariat, while in the West the bourgeoisie triumphed-and was not this relationship as one-sided and unfair as that between employer and worker on a small scale? Trade kills, trade makes poor. We have to be ashamed.

Lust for self-flagellation

Perhaps it is this profoundly moralistic, even almost religious content, that this story of poverty and exploitation so captivates and tempts people in the West to deny their own success and think the miracle of modernity is a lazy magic. Indeed, it seemed outrageous how wealthy the West had become within a short time since the so-called Industrial Revolution had taken place in England towards the end of the eighteenth century. By the year 1800, all people in the world lived on average $ 3 a day per capita, whether in Europe, Asia or Africa. This amount, the latest economic-historical research confirms, has been virtually unchanged for more than 10,000 years since humans settled down.

Certainly, this income could fluctuate, if not to a very impressive extent. If certain advanced civilizations settled down, as in ancient Rome or the ancient Chinese Empire, Renaissance Italy or Spain under Arab rule, this number could increase to $ 6 or $ 7, and then back to $ 3 as soon as this high culture collapsed to fall back or even deeper.
In other words, with very few exceptions, man practically always lived on the edge of subsistence, and that everywhere. This did not change until the eighteenth century - when a new economy prevailed first in Holland, then in England, then in Belgium, in Switzerland and in Saxony, and finally in the whole of the West.

Later they called it (following Marx) capitalism, which is misleading. Admittedly, however, a new concept came to mind, for it was an outrageous development that American economist Deirdre Nansen McCloskey describes much better than "The Great Enrichment," the Great Enrichment. Crucial, however, so McCloskey, by no means the accumulation of capital - it had previously been elsewhere, but completely new was the extraordinary increase in productivity, means: A single worker produced in the same time more and more goods, always better Goods, increasingly cheaper goods - thanks to machines, thanks to smarter organization, thanks to resourceful minds, thanks to gifted entrepreneurs, thanks to intensive working hours. This had nothing at all to do with Africa's plight: Europeans did not become more productive at the expense of Africans or Asians, but because a very unique culture of continual improvement, of continuous innovation, spread to the West.

German original: https://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/afrikas-untergang-und-verderben/story/10477225

Self-flagellation has become a Western art form and a collective hobby, and the West excels at it.

Skybird

04-13-18, 06:47 AM

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fwann_kip pt_der_schuldenturm&edit-text=

A really great, a compact, accessible, easy to understand summary and description of our way towards the collapse of our financial system, free of emtional attittudes, just fact oriented and basing on argument, not rantings. Very good status report, though very sobering.

Catfish

04-13-18, 07:35 AM

A money system is not made to last forever. It will always crash, for whatever reason.
And the current system that has been detached from real hard worthy products, has its roots again in the USA.

Related to Skybird's link, but not quite as polemic.

"Let's think about what that might be, the economy: a bodiless abstraction that we observe from afar with daily and almost sacred attention. If the economy is doing well, we are a people full of hope. When the economy fails, the doomsday songs never go out. They are the same elements as in myths or religions. At the center of this economic belief is the guilt. We live in the age of debt and leverage, not capital. Leverage and guilt are the modes operandi, heart and soul of the global economy. Both are abstract dimensions of capital, not capital per se, or at least they were not, until in the 1980s the conversion of repayments into income became systematized as the most profitable activity in the world."

" ... if economic growth is based on the production and trade of real goods and services, the economy grows 2 percent. The capital, however, then grows by 4 to 5 percent. In short, real growth is 2 percent and capital growth is 5 percent. Eventually this becomes an unsustainable conflict. Finance is the interface between real growth and capital growth. General Motors no longer produces cars for the sake of car production, it produces cars to sell loans that yield 5 percent. The car becomes a justification of the bank loan, which financially means a fixed return payment that the buyer has to make for a certain period of time and which in turn can be sold. Finally, you can finally offer an insurance related to this transaction. It is a chain reaction of derivatives that creates a whole sector that, with the exception of the first activity, is completely detached from concrete objects."

https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/dramatiker-ayad-akhtar-zur-macht-des-finanzmarkts-15532265.html

"We have become reducible to data that allows the system to benefit from us. So we became economic subjects who have lost their humanity."

Skybird

04-22-18, 05:55 PM

Crime statistics for 2017 show a decline of total numbers by almost 10%, but a raise in critical crime categories like murder, manslaughter and rape compared to the time before the mass migration was channeled to Germany 2015. Also, "the proportion of non-German suspects in total crime and especially in violent crime is disproportionately high". In recent weeks it has come to mounting awareness of the publicc how many stabbings and violence with knifes is being committed by our new co-citizens, knife-stabbing has become a sports, also sexual harassment. Finally, "In murder, homicide and killing on request, the number of foreign suspects (1140) is not far below the number of Germans (1558), although the ten million people in Germany without a German passport face about 70 million Germans."

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fdebatte%2Fkommentare %2Farticle175695478%2FStraftaten-Statistik-Die-Wirklichkeit-hinter-den-neuen-Zahlen-zur-Kriminalitaet.html&edit-text=

It was earlier reported that the birth rate in Germany also rose, second year in a row. What our German quality media forgot to mention is that this netto raise in babies is due to the immense birth rate amongst the foreigners that arrived in the past three years. The birth rate amongst native, European Germans remains to be low, and does not compensate the deaths of native Germans. In other words: the native population again has shrunk, but no politician cares to say that.

The black numbers of sexual harassment and rape coimmitted by foreigners is being said by insiders and workers in this area to have skyrocketed in the past three years. Reminds me very strongly of the example set by Sweden where in areas with huge Muslim colonies it has grown so that the national statistics show a total increase of a factor over 6 one or two years ago when I read it.

Also, two weeks ago, the employers' statistics and estimations of how many foreigners arriving in the past three years coulöd successfully integrate dinto qualified jobs, again has been corrected down. No more anyone dares to praise the huge influx of "academical specialists" and well-trained higher grade-educated employees, the truth as described in an article from some days ago seems closer to be around not even one in six is finding a job in Germany that he could fulfill and live of - the others live of social wellfare.

Feel culturally enriched, all you German moralisers. The world moves closer together! "We get gifted with people!" (Claudia Roth, Green party). Hooray! :yeah:

Catfish

05-05-18, 01:59 PM

What does the Luftwaffe (GAF, German Air Force) of may 2nd, 2018 have in common with that of may 2nd, 1945?

They have four airworthy jet fighters left.

Skybird

05-05-18, 03:50 PM

^ Thats makes them too precious to use. :D

Das ist die Überlegenheit des SED-Nachfolgestaates.

Skybird

06-03-18, 05:09 AM

If you do not know what is meant when some historians speak of the post-heroic era, read this about the white book of the German Bundeswehr 2016.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fweisbuch _der_bundeswehr_ursulas_streichelzoo&edit-text=

One gets the impression, as if one had displaced in the Ministry of Defense meanwhile the entire in-house vocabulary. This is indicated in any case by the fact that the words „army“, „naval“ or „air force“ or „tank“, „infantry“, „fighter jet“ or „drone“ do not appear in the entire document.
(...)
Rather than devoting oneself to a deeper analysis of the reasons leading to the failure of the mission (Afghanistan), or to presenting the military insights and lessons learned in the Bendler bloc, one prefers to deal with the forced civilization of the army. The promotion of diversity and equal opportunities, for example with regard to ethnic origin, sexual orientation and gender identity (...) is a management task. "

Hopeless.

Jimbuna

06-03-18, 06:13 AM

What does the Luftwaffe (GAF, German Air Force) of may 2nd, 2018 have in common with that of may 2nd, 1945?

They have four airworthy jet fighters left.

^ Thats makes them too precious to use. :D

Das ist die Überlegenheit des SED-Nachfolgestaates.

So does that mean everything in the German inventory will be at RIAT 2018? :hmmm:

EF2000...............TLG-74.....Fighter...............Static
Tornado IDS........TLG-33.....Ground Attack....Static
Tornado IDS x2....TLG-51.....Ground Attack....Static

https://www.airtattoo.com/airshow/aircraft/confirmed-aircraft

Forgot to mention these two transports and as they are all clearly going to be static and not flying will that mean they will be shipped over across the channel :)

A400M......LTG-62......Tactical Transport........Static
C-160D.....LTG-63......Tactical Transport........Static

Skybird

06-03-18, 06:33 AM

You do not need tactical mobility to announce strategic goals. We make these mobile things pointless by solving roots of conflicts on strategic supra-levels, you see, thats saves us a lot of technical maintenance. We plan to use the forces of our neighbours for that, which we want to put under German command. No joke, but serious. The first draft for this was announced 12 or 18 months ago. The others march and fight and do the work - we command from Potsdam HQ.

Inclusion of the disadvantaged, making each and all of the 100s of gender identities feeling welcomed, and ethnic quotas especially for Muslim groups, instead have become the new weapons to fight off an enemy on the tactical level - he laughes himself to death.

The mouse that dreamt to be a vegetarian tiger.

West Rome, 5th century, anyone...?

Jimbuna

06-03-18, 06:35 AM

Skybird

06-04-18, 05:42 AM

The German powergrid, just twenty years ago, was once considered to be the most stable and reliable on the whole continent. Politicians and ideologists have changed that.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fschon_ma l_den_blackout_ueben&edit-text=

In the past two or three years I noticed more micro-blackouts in my home than in all my life, 48 years together.

Camp fires have their romantic charme. But only as long as you do not depend on them, dear Green idiots.

Catfish

06-04-18, 07:13 AM

^ Not the "greens".

It is indeed the nerds and high-level engineers who did and do that, not only to Europe's power grid. All has to be computerized, to control energy flow and infrastructure.
All has now to be managed remotely, and without human manpower, via the internet. This is not the idea of the "greens". They have failed miserably because thy now simply adopt the industry's goals, and take their money instead of shooting them :D
This internet of things will be easily broken, if someone decided to strike militarily. The war is already on.. Russia does it, China does, Israel, the US just now tries to cloud their involvement using fake spoof IPS to do exactly what happened in Hamburg. Stuxnet is everywhere.. "Smart city", my donkey.

Skybird

06-04-18, 08:24 AM

No, the Greens, the eco-religious. Dismantling more oil and coal powerplants than could be replaced, trusting that always a wind blows and always the sun shines, no sufficient capacities of backup powerplants that could cope with shoprtcuts in supply from renewables, all that vtechnology, like you just diod, being dmeonised and declared "evil", or "nerdy". Germany is described by quite some insiders as the main cause now for shortages and emergency situaiton in the powersupply in most pof Europe and especially our neighbours, especially Austria hates Grmany for that, becaaue all these neighbours must pushz their own supply schemes over the limit whenever the Germans call for help and call for emergency imports when German electricity production cannot handle the demand anymore.

In the past it was the other way around.

The German energy policy is, as policies always seem to be in Germany, driven by lobbied ideologies and beliefs, not by sober facts. And thats why this damn, many times cursed thing called "the German way" once again collides and cracks open on the hard ground of reality. This time in the name of anti-nuclear, anti-coal, anti-gas. Result: Germany now is the black centre of growing instability in the whole continental electricity supply network. From the very top to the very bottom. antastic achievment, Germany. Fantastic. And its so - so green!

https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2F78.media.tumblr.com%2Ft umblr_lz1pukKd3M1r5zttro1_400.gif&sp=896271ad98944792826911639cf7d136

Not to mention that many of our neighbours now run nuclear even more. In powerplants that are more unsafe in parts than the Germans ever were.

Supergreen!
https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fvignette.wikia.nocookie .net%2Funcyclopedia%2Fimages%2F8%2F8d%2FSam_Fox_st udent.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D2017032803050 3&sp=67afdaabf8cb7c1124c0fc8768b0bbe5

Bleiente

06-13-18, 03:42 PM

Bei uns in Deutschland -wo eigentlich alles seit 15 Jahren schief hängt- gibt es ziemlich viele Entwicklungen, welche (zumindest nach gesundem Menschenverstand als auch gegen das Grundgesetz) verboten als auch strafrechtlich mit Höchststrafen als gemeinschaftlich verbrochene, mafiös organisierte Ambitionen seitens der Polizei als auch der Justizminister in einzelnen Bundesländern angestrebt, mit einem Höchstmaß verfolgt, die betreffenden Personen vor ein Strafgericht gestellt und verurteilt gehören.
Ich fürchte, wir fallen sonst um gut/etwa 100 Jahre Rechtssprechung zurück, wo ein Idiot wie Roland Freisler das Sagen ähmmm Geschrei hatte... :doh:

Bleiente

06-13-18, 04:04 PM

Allein diese Ambitionen seitens der Regierung gegen einen Rechtsstaat wäre Begründung genug, eine neue Form des Widerstandes gegen eines kommenden absolitären Polizeistaat`s (aka Stasi 2.0) zu gründen und die maßgeblich Vorsitzenden bzw. zeichnenden Mitglieder im Namen des Heimatschutzes auszuschalten.

Skybird

06-14-18, 05:04 AM

We already have fallen out of the law and order state, Bleiente - not just since Merkel, who breaks laws and treaties as she pleases. The state can and does constantly unilaterally chnage rules and laws to his liking. Poltical actors cannot be voted out, they also get brought back into the game by their buddies in the background. Failures and insufficient services does not legitimise citizens to sue state and politicians.

In principle we still live by rules of the medieval where a small group of landlords owned the peasants and even could demand compensation from a village if a worker died and his working power vanished.

Democracy in the end is just a failed attempt to get away from those conditions. But the chnages it made, were just cosmetical - and also are always ruinous for the collective society. I am not the first pointing out that democracy in the modern understanding of this term - not the ancient greek one, which was totally diferent - always necessarily leads into socialist dictatorship.

Many modest-minded, reasonable, rational, caring people turn away from this state nowadays, refuse to actively stand up for it any longer, acitvely getting engaged for it, or invetsing their resources into it. I refuse to do so, too. When people like these are willing to tolerate even radical nutheads and violent revolutionists, because they see no other way to change the current state elsewise, then this depletes the community of its best minds and capable caretakers, and shows how desillusionised these people are. Obviously polticians are so dumb that they do not even realise this danger to themselves while it stares them angrily straight into their face.

Some people are so full of themselves that they even cannot imagine that somebody not liking them and not seeing them as indispensable is a real possibility. And if they get a doubt, they try to force the others to like them, by laws, by sanctionising them, criminalising them, opening the media witch hunt on them.

Henry Louis Mencken, whom I stumbled over some weeks ago, has some nice remarks worth to be quoted:

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorrance."

"Every election is sort of an auction of stolen goods."

"Democracy is th art of running the circus from the monkey cage."

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, raise the black flag and begin slitting throats."

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is simple, clear, and wrong."

He also said this:
"We are here and we are now. Further than that, all human knowledge is moonshine."

All ideolgiosts claim they know the final truth and they know that their ideolgioy works - "if only this", "if only that". If it fails once again, it never is its fault, and if it succeeds - well, does it ever? These people never think they must subject themselves to the principle of test and experiment, of verification and falsification, they must not test their claims becasue they believe and claim they "know" they are true. They are running a religion with themselves being the idol, at least the prophet, at its centre.

Such people are a pest, tormenting mankind since ages.

I say leave it to the people, to field experiments, to the market. Have many different appro9ahce son a question, and see what works in reality, and what not. And there you have your answer. Workign answers will be copied by others, failing answers will be rejected by others - no matter your claim that yiou "know" that in piciple it should work, andn would work "if only" this, "if only" that.

Politicans and political parties must be overcome and must be get away with by ignoring them and showing something that works without them and by that reveals how useless and irrelevant they really are. In the end, they are only useless imposters, antisocial parasites.

Bleiente

06-21-18, 06:23 PM

Schroeder

06-22-18, 03:17 AM

Deutschland ist der neue Hort für faschistische Ideen als auch gerade durch die EU-Rechtsgebung vorgebebene Nazi-Vorschrichtungen im Namen der "Demokratie"... Welch ein Glück habe ich doch, daß ich bald einfach meinem Leben selbstzufrieden einem schicken Ende entgegensehen werde... einfach so selbstbestimmt.
Bist du in psychologischer Behandlung? Hört sich an als bräuchtest du Hilfe. Da muss man auch keine Berührungsängste haben, dass ist mittlerweile völlig normal.
Die Welt ist übrigens gar nicht so grausam, wenn man mal den Realitätscheck macht. Pfeif dir z.B. mal den Typen rein:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm9Ng0bbEQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm9Ng0bbEQ)

Bleiente

06-22-18, 01:25 PM

Danke der Nachfrage... aber nein - bin ich nicht.
Ich gebe aber zu, daß ich über eine dissoziative Persönlichkeit "verfüge", welche sich durch div. Trigger den Weg an die Oberfläche bahnen als auch die Kontrolle übernehmen kann... hat mir auch schon viel Ärger eingebracht.

Aber alles halb so schlimm, wenn man weis, womit man es dabei zu tun hat.
Meistens sehe ich es mit Humor (wie man an meiner Signatur sieht); ist halt für Dritte sicherlich etwas befremdlich, wenn "Jack" plötzlich anfängt zu poltern u/o einem äußerst makraben Humor verfällt. :doh: :haha:

Skybird

07-08-18, 09:17 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/opinion/angela-merkel-germany-immigration-european-union.html

Good read in the New York Times. I would add more points that speak against her, but at least those he focusses on are correctly described. Merkel has ruined thigns so far that by now her net effect is destructive just because she is what and how she is.

Personally, I rate her as the biggest German and European disaster since 1933 and the terrible fallout coming from that year, and I do not say that lightly or in a rhetorical understanding only. I mean it literal.

Jimbuna

07-08-18, 10:16 AM

Threads merged.

Skybird

08-16-18, 06:12 PM

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.misesde.org%2F%3Fp%3D20317&edit-text=

I have a growing distribution dispute in mind. There will be programs for the further pooling of liability, joint deposit insurance, joint unemployment insurance, as demanded by the French, a common budget for the Eurozone - ultimately with transfers from Germany to other countries. Germany will - admittedly hesitant - give in to prevent the collapse of the system. We are no longer free in our decisions. The target balances make Germany unable to act because it no longer has the option to say 'no'.
It cannot escape to end ugly. And I am thnakful for that. Anything else would absolutely violate my sense of justice.

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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07/hans-hermann-hoppe/sinkhole-economic-moral-perversion/

From its very beginnings, and despite all high-sounding political proclamations to the contrary, the EU was never about free trade and free competition. For that, you don’t need tens of thousands of pages of rules and regulations! Rather, the central purpose of the EU, supported all-along by the USA, was always the weakening in particular of Germany as Europe’s economic powerhouse. To facilitate this, Germany was sent on a seemingly never-ending ‘guilt trip’ and thus pressured to transfer increasingly larger parts of its already limited (vis-à-vis the USA) sovereignty to the EU in Brussels. Especially noteworthy in this regard: Germany’s giving up its monetary sovereignty and abandoning its traditionally ‘strong’ currency, the DM, in favor of a ‘weak’ Euro, issued by a European Central Bank (ECB) composed overwhelmingly of politically connected central bankers from traditionally ‘weak’ currency countries.

The EU, then, is characterized by three main features: First: The harmonization of the tax- and regulation structure across all member states, so as to reduce economic competition and especially tax-competition between different countries and make all countries equally uncompetitive.

Second: On top of the economic and moral perversity within each country of punishing the productive and subsidizing the unproductive, another layer of international income- and wealth-redistribution is added: of punishing economically better performing countries like Germany and the countries of northern Europe and rewarding economically worse performing countries (mostly of southern Europe) and thus successively rendering the economic performance of all countries equally worse.

And third, of increasing importance especially during the last decade: In order to overcome the rising resistance, in many countries, against the steadily increasing transfer of national sovereignty to Brussels, the EU is on a crusade to erode, and ultimately destroy, all national identities and all social and cultural cohesion. The idea of a nation and of different national and regional identities is ridiculed, and multi-culturalism is hailed instead as an unquestionable “good.” As well, in promoting the award of legal privileges and of “special protection” to everyone, except white, heterosexual men, and especially married family men (who are portrayed as historic ‘oppressors’ owing compensation to everyone else as their historic ‘victims’) – euphemistically called “anti-discrimination” or “affirmative action” policy – the natural social order is systematically undermined. Normality is punished, and abnormity and deviance is rewarded.
A coup against freedom. A conspiracy against self-responsible, sovereign people. A plot to assassinate all historically grown sense of own identity and culture.

Does it take any more arguments to defend wanting to destroy the EU at all costs? Not for me. I now tolerate every price and every cost to bring it down, no matter what. The EU must be destroyed - or Europe gets destroyed: and with it, Europeans, and 2500 years of precious European culture.

Catfish

08-17-18, 03:54 AM

Motive Attribution Asymmetry.

Jimbuna

08-17-18, 05:04 AM

That article has a lot in common with my oersonal beliefs Sky :yep:

Skybird

08-17-18, 09:02 AM

That article has a lot in common with my oersonal beliefs Sky :yep:
By now I would expect that from you. ;)

Jimbuna

08-17-18, 10:38 AM

You obviously know me too well :03:

Skybird

08-17-18, 11:26 AM

I now know you better than 12 years and 127 thousand posts earlier. ;)

Skybird

08-21-18, 05:07 AM

Brilliant, concise observations of the contemporary status of Germany. The author is German, the article was published in the Neue Zürcher Zeitung (Switzerland). Its one of the few German-tongued newspapers left that is worth to pay attention to.

https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A//www.nzz.ch/meinung/merkel-und-ihr-schattenmann-ld.1411764

Original Swiss source: LINK (https://www.nzz.ch/meinung/merkel-und-ihr-schattenmann-ld.1411764)

Jimbuna

08-21-18, 05:41 AM

^ Quite an interesting article Sky.

Skybird

08-24-18, 08:28 AM

Bleiente

08-24-18, 02:58 PM

(Über)leben in Berlin Wedding.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fmein_le ben_im_weddinger_brunnenviertel&edit-text=

Wedding is a central city district of Berlin and one of the frontlines where German progressive multicultural claim crashes head-on into the concrete of reality. If you want to visit the Middle East, cut short your trip and save money and visit Wedding instead, the impressions will be the same. In this essay, its late 1944, the Germans are in full retreat.

Hm. Maybe not the timeline, but the rest of that sentence is correct.

I did not live in there, we lived in peaceful, burgoise (1980s...) Friedenau when we were in Westberlin. But still I know Wedding, b ack then, and last 15 years ago. Already 15 years ago, it was a sad sight to see. Cannot have become better, the state of Berlin has the by far worst of all bad governments in Germany's federal states (SPD, Die Linke and the Greens in coalition).

Sad story. The outlook looks even more grim. The author is 64 and lives in third generation in that district. All his friends already have fled. Germans like him are a minority in that quarter.

Original German source: LINK (https://www.achgut.com/artikel/mein_leben_im_weddinger_brunnenviertel)
Mhmm ... interesting, right-wing populism in pure culture.

"Achgut.com" ="Die Achse des Guten"

that means - quote:
"As part of his anthology on counter-publicity in business journalism Lutz Frühbrodt located The Axis of Good 2017" on the political right. "The blog practice" above all criticism of Islam, on the left and on (also supposedly left) media. "The economic policy plays only a minor role, "although in the articles usually a free-market, sometimes radical market attitude" resonate. "

Read here:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDie_Achs e_des_Guten

:shucks:

Catfish

08-24-18, 04:19 PM

The "Achse des Guten" is simply anti-islamic and anti-anything that represents common sense. It is the voice of the (felt) unheard, embracing everything that the "common people" complain about. High fuel prices, unfair treatment by "them", "Überfremdung" and a general feeling of being cheated. Facts or reason of conditions leading to the situation have not much to do with it, but the numbers of those believing it are growing, destabilizing what was once called law, and order. Do not believe this axis is made by right wing idiots though, they are – astonishingly – quite intelligent. They (ab)use the new media for their special message to the common people, while keeping a good intellectual distance and looking down upon their followers. Nigel Farage is a good example of it, as is Trump.

If people forget their education, culture and knowledge because someone provides simple and easy and mostly wrong solutions for complex problems, the path is predictable. We have seen this before.

Bleiente

08-24-18, 04:33 PM

The "Achse des Guten" is simply anti-islamic and anti-anything that represents common sense. It is the voice of the (felt) unheard, embracing everything that the "common people" complain about. High fuel prices, unfair treatment by "them", "Überfremdung" and a general feeling of being cheated. Facts or reason of conditions leading to the situation have not much to do with it, but the numbers of those believing it are growing, destabilizing what was once called law and order. Nigel Farage is a good example of it, as is Trump.
If people forget their education, culture and knowledge becasue someone provides simple and easy and mostly wrong solutions for complex problems, the path is predictable. We have seen this before.
Correct. :03:

Let's ask @Skybird why he posts such nonsense here. :hmmm:

Skybird

08-24-18, 05:00 PM

Because I do not share Catfish'S populist assessment of the Achse. That website has questionable authors, namely in the branch of climate, and experts you need to get your homework done well in order to challenge them on their own turf, so one always needs to look who is writing and about what. A general condemnation as Catfish posted, only illustrates the fact that him and Die Achse are total enemies to each other. Its just that I agree with quite some stuff they post. Especially articles by Günther Ederer and Gunnar Heinsohn, also often the most entertainingly polemics by Henryk Broder. And one thing is clear. Broder and Catfish have as good a chance to become close friends like Broder and Claudia Roth.

Its not about the place something is posted in. Its the content of the individual article. I know Wedding a bit, and Berlin, I lived there for ten years, went to school there, and after that time repeatedly was in the city for visits, and had friends there and former colleagues, for years to come after I already had left. Its around fourty years that I know Berlin a bit. I know all too well what that man writing this essay talks of, even more sicne the mentioned former colleagues of mine were in the field of social work and psychology, like myself at that time (their expertise trumped mine, however, i left the branch, they stayed with it). The writings were on the walls already 15 years ago.

LINK (https://www.amazon.de/Finis-Germania-Kaplaken-Peter-Sieferle/dp/3944422503/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1535148214&sr=8-1&keywords=finis+germania)

LINK2 (https://www.amazon.de/Das-Migrationsproblem-Unvereinbarkeit-Sozialstaat-Masseneinwanderung/dp/394487241X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1535148214&sr=8-2&keywords=finis+germania)

Nur für euch zwei. Weil ihr's seid.

Catfish

08-24-18, 05:33 PM

Don't do your Trump stuff on me. Don't try to turn things around or put words in my mouth, or try to turn them around.
You are the populist here, just like this oh-so-hip axis, and you know damn well exactly what this polemic media abuse is all about.
This 'axis' makes hate against foreigners socially acceptable, which is why Broder gets so much applause from the far right Nazis.
The good right against the evil left, where 'left' is what good old polemic Broder tells you. He wants to polarize and split the society by faking "good intentions" to "enlighten" the dumb masses he spits on.
This site is blacklisted as spreading fake and right-wing polemics, Broder should be ashamed what became of him, if he had any neuron left to think.

Quote from Broder:
„Man hat wirklich selten Gelegenheit, solche Gefühlskälte, Mitleidlosigkeit und Brutalität im Gewande der Sachlichkeit am lebenden Objekt studieren zu können. Das durchgehalten zu haben, und dabei – abgesehen von Ausnahmen menschlicher Schwächen – anständig geblieben zu sein, das hat unsere Besten hart gemacht.“
You remember this? This is a hint at Himmlers' speech using the same words, to remain hard against those lefts and foreigners (and keep killing them) and be proud of doing so.

But then, twisting and turning like Farage or Trump he says that journalists ridiculing him are the new SS, in his queer mind:
https://uebermedien.de/6935/broder-rueckt-journalisten-in-die-naehe-der-ss/
English translation. (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fuebermedien.de%2F6935%2Fbroder-rueckt-journalisten-in-die-naehe-der-ss%2F&edit-text=)
He is on the same level as Akif Pirinci. It almost seems as if people lose so much brain cells when getting old that they automatically fall back in the right wing corner and shift back in time into those glorious years.

So Wedding is 'überfremdet', eh? Time to open those concentration camps again.

Skybird

08-24-18, 08:03 PM

Thanks for dropping your mask so easily. Saves me a lot of typing.

Catfish

08-25-18, 02:36 AM

^ No mask, I have said this since decades, all the time. Refugees are not immigrants.
So you believe people like Henryk M. Broder, Uwe Tellkamp, Thilo Sarrazin, Matthias Matussek, Vera Lengsfeld, Matthias Moosdorf, Uwe Steimle, Eva Herman and Max Otte. The usual: "deport", "Merkel must go away", "resistance", "traitors to the people", "we are the people" and so on. They twist and turn the paroles of others from 1990, to make it look as of it was now the common people's idea, while they only have disdain for the latter.

Following them all this right wing crap should now be socially aceptable and legitimized, pulled out of the right corner with its xenophobia, Islamophobia and disdain for democracy. This includes the selection and exclusion rhetoric of Sarrazin, Pegida and AfD, humanitarian coldness towards strangers, national egotism, anti-Europeanism, and open sympathy for autocratic systems.
Words used like "Überfremdung", "Umvolkung" and what they write in their pamphlets is crystal clear jargon of those "thousand years". Not that this is reserved for Germany only, recently.

Skybird

08-25-18, 05:05 AM

The art of being a good German today lies in demonising any disagreement with the left Zeitgeist as "Nazi", "Right wing populist", "racist", "xenophobe", "homophobe", "Islamophobe", "rapist" etc etc. etc. Ignoring unwanted realities and unwelcomed facts separates the ordinary good Germans from the real master-grade good Germans. The targets of these kind of attacks are demanded to sit still and sureender. and if they dare to defend themselves or even strike back at equal terms, with witty irony or even sometimes polemics, then all heaven and hell should fall upon them and doom them for all time to come. What left zeitgeist is allowed to do - its taregts are not allowed to do at all.

And you, Catfish, even repeatedly demonstrated in the middle of a left, super-"progressive" rant of yours your skill that at the same time, in the same paragraph, you nevertheless can claim that you are not left.

You are the perfect textbook example of the Zeitgeist German: Left. "Progressive". Islamophile. Anti-European but pro-EU. Pro socialism. Anti-identity. Pro unconditional redistribution. Pro strong state. Pro paper money. Sorry, cant go much lefter than this.

Of course neither you nor the targets of Broder's writings like to be shown out as that.

Vera Lengsfeld was one of the leading voices of the cicil rights movement in the GDR. She today is a strict critic of Merkel's desastrous polcies and underhnded lies and law violations. Henryk Broder is an argumentatice, witty publicist of Plish descent, and Jewsih. his family was murdered by the Nazis. He publishes ironic, sometimes polemic, but laways witty, stingy articles and books that criticice the germans for the many silly things they do. In 4 out of 5 cases, I agree with him. He was sued many, many times by left acitvists and Zeitgeist masters, and won the ver ymost of them. Privately, he is a very friendly, polite old manb - he just bites when you try to serve him poo as delicious cake.

And migrants, catfish, are not refugees, no matter how much you try to install your Neusprech-temrinology that Merkel et al are such a masters of. You put empotion iver reaosn, heart over head, and the question of factual causal respnnsibility you do not even ask for, you just claim moral obligation and thinks this frees you from all burden of evidence or resistence from unwanted realities.

You perfectly represent the attitude that dominates the Zeitgeist nowadays, including the schiozophrenic self-contradictions in your positions. And everybody disagreeing with you, is a Nazi. A right-wing populist. A racist. An Islamophobe. a homophobe. And around us, the world that was held together by historically grown identies and value system, not so much fall apart, but get actively destroyed and teared down, to replace it with artificial brain births from the socialist international's identity lab. Its like a sledgehammer of biblic proportions.

Leave me alone, Catfish. Chances are that your side will claim victory and succeed in destroying just everything that makes Germany German. Be satisfied with that, because from me you will get no moral pardoning anyway - not now, not in the future.

"Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of good than malice.
One can protest against evil, it can be exposed, it can be prevented if necessary by force, evil always carries the germ of self-decomposition in itself, leaving at least discomfort in man. We are defenseless against stupidity. Neither protests nor violence can do anything here; Reasons do not catch; Facts that contradict one's own prejudice simply do not need to be believed - in such cases, the stupid becomes even more critical - and if inevitable, they can simply be set aside as meaningless isolated cases. The stupid in contrast to the evil is completely satisfied with himself; yes, he even becomes dangerous, easily attacking with aggression.
Therefore, the dumb must be met with much greater caution than the evil. We will never again try to convince the stupid by reasons; it is meaningless and dangerous.
To know how to deal with stupidity, we must seek to understand its nature. So much is certain that it is not essentially an intellectual, but a human defect. There are intellectually extremely agile people who are stupid and intellectually very heavy-handed who are anything but stupid. We make this discovery to our surprise in certain situations. One gets less the impression that stupidity is a congenital defect, than that under certain circumstances, the people are made stupid, or can be stupid. We continue to observe that closed and lonely people show this defect less frequently than people or groups of people who are prone to rejection or condemnation. So stupidity may seem less of a psychological than a sociological problem. It is a special form of the influence of historical circumstances on man, a psychological accompaniment of certain external circumstances. On closer inspection, it turns out that any strong outward development of power, be it political or religious, cast a large part of people with stupidity. Yes, it looks like it's a sociological-psychological law. The power of one needs the stupidity of others. The process is not that certain - ie intellectual - plants of man suddenly wither or fail, but that under the overwhelming impression of the development of power man's inner independence is robbed and that this now - more or less unconsciously - renounced, to find his own behavior to his own life situations.
That the stupid is often stubborn, must not hide the fact that he is not independent. You can almost feel it in conversation with him, that you have to deal not with himself, with him personally, but with the influences over him over that powerful slogans etc. have. He is in a spell, he is blinded, he is abused in his own nature, maltreated. Thus becoming an instrument without will, the stupid will be capable of all evil and at the same time unable to recognize it as evil. Here is the danger of a diabolic abuse. As a result, people will be destroyed by this, forever.
But it is also quite clear here that not an act of instruction, but only an act of liberation, could overcome stupidity. In the process one will have to come to terms with the fact that a genuine inner liberation in the vast majority of cases becomes possible only after the external liberation has preceded; until then we will have to renounce all attempts to convince the stupid.
Incidentally, in this state of affairs, it will also be justified that in such circumstances we will try in vain to know what "the people" really thinks, and why this question is at the same time superfluous for the responsible thinker and doer - always only among them given circumstances. The word of the Bible, that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom (Psalm 3:10), says that man's inner deliverance to responsible life before God is the only true overcoming of stupidity.
By the way, these thoughts about stupidity have their consolation to them, that they do not allow the majority of people to be stupid at all costs. It will really matter if rulers promise themselves more of people's stupidity or inward self-reliance and wisdom.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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German original: Widerstand und Ergebung. Briefe aus der Haft

"Dummheit ist ein gefährlicherer Feind des Guten als Bosheit.
Gegen das Böse läßt sich protestieren, es läßt sich bloßstellen, es läßt sich notfalls mit Gewalt verhindern, das Böse trägt immer den Keim der Selbstzersetzung in sich, indem es mindestens ein Unbehagen im Menschen zurückläßt. Gegen die Dummheit sind wir wehrlos. Weder mit Protesten noch durch Gewalt läßt sich hier etwas ausrichten; Gründe verfangen nicht; Tatsachen, die dem eigenen Vorurteil widersprechen, brauchen einfach nicht geglaubt zu werden - in solchen Fällen wird der Dumme sogar kritisch -, und wenn sie unausweichlich sind, können sie einfach als nichtssagende Einzelfälle beiseitegeschoben werden. Dabei ist der Dumme im Unterschied zum Bösen restlos mit sich selbst zufrieden; ja, er wird sogar gefährlich, indem er leicht gereizt zum Angriff übergeht.
Daher ist dem Dummen gegenüber mehr Vorsicht geboten als gegenüber dem Bösen. Niemals werden wir mehr versuchen, den Dummen durch Gründe zu überzeugen; es ist sinnlos und gefährlich.
Um zu wissen, wie wir der Dummheit beikommen können, müssen wir ihr Wesen zu verstehen suchen. Soviel ist sicher, daß sie nicht wesentlich ein intellektueller, sondern ein menschlicher Defekt ist. Es gibt intellektuell außerordentlich bewegliche Menschen, die dumm sind, und intellektuell sehr Schwerfällige, die alles andere als dumm sind. Diese Entdeckung machen wir zu unserer Überraschung anläßlich bestimmter Situationen. Dabei gewinnt man weniger den Eindruck, daß die Dummheit ein angeborener Defekt ist, als daß unter bestimmten Umständen die Menschen dumm gemacht werden, bzw. sich dumm machen lassen. Wir beobachten weiterhin, daß abgeschlossen und einsam lebende Menschen diesen Defekt seltener zeigen als zur Gesellung neigende oder verurteilte Menschen und Menschengruppen. So scheint die Dummheit vielleicht weniger ein psychologisches als ein soziologisches Problem zu sein. Sie ist eine besondere Form der Einwirkung geschichtlicher Umstände auf den Menschen, eine psychologische Begleiterscheinung bestimmter äußerer Verhältnisse. Bei genauerem Zusehen zeigt sich, daß jede starke äußere Machtentfaltung, sei sie politischer oder religiöser Art, einen großen Teil der Menschen mit Dummheit schlägt. Ja, es hat den Anschein, als sei das geradezu ein soziologisch-psychologisches Gesetz. Die Macht der einen braucht die Dummheit der anderen. Der Vorgang ist dabei nicht der, daß bestimmte - also etwa intellektuelle - Anlagen des Menschen plötzlich verkümmern oder ausfallen, sondern daß unter dem überwältigenden Eindruck der Machtentfaltung dem Menschen seine innere Selbständigkeit geraubt wird und daß dieser nun - mehr oder weniger unbewußt - darauf verzichtet, zu den sich er gebenden Lebenslagen ein eigenes Verhalten zu finden.
Daß der Dumme oft bockig ist, darf nicht darüber hinwegtäuschen, daß er nicht selbständig ist. Man spürt es geradezu im Gespräch mit ihm, daß man es gar nicht mit ihm selbst, mit ihm persönlich, sondern mit über ihn mächtig gewordenen Schlagworten, Parolen etc. zu tun hat. Er ist in einem Banne, er ist verblendet, er ist in seinem eigenen Wesen mißbraucht, mißhandelt. So zum willenlosen Instrument geworden, wird der Dumme auch zu allem Bösen fähig sein und zugleich unfähig, dies als Böses zu erkennen. Hier liegt die Gefahr eines diabolischen Mißbrauchs. Dadurch werden Menschen für immer zugrunde gerichtet werden können.
Aber es ist gerade hier auch ganz deutlich, daß nicht ein Akt der Belehrung, sondern allein ein Akt der Befreiung die Dummheit überwinden könnte. Dabei wird man sich damit abfinden müssen, daß eine echte innere Befreiung in den allermeisten Fällen erst möglich wird, nachdem die äußere Befreiung vorangegangen ist; bis dahin werden wir auf alle Versuche, den Dummen zu überzeugen, verzichten müssen.
In dieser Sachlage wird es übrigens auch begründet sein, daß wir uns unter solchen Umständen vergeblich darum bemühen, zu wissen, was »das Volk« eigentlich denkt, und warum diese Frage für den verantwortlich Denkenden und Handelnden zugleich so überflüssig ist - immer nur unter den gegebenen Umständen. Das Wort der Bibel, daß die Furcht Gottes der Anfang der Weisheit sei (Psalm 3,10), sagt, daß die innere Befreiung des Menschen zum verantwortlichen Leben vor Gott die einzige wirkliche Überwindung der Dummheit ist.
Übrigens haben diese Gedanken über die Dummheit doch dies Tröstliche für sich, daß sie ganz und gar nicht zulassen, die Mehrzahl der Menschen unter allen Umständen für dumm zu halten. Es wird wirklich darauf ankommen, ob Machthaber sich mehr von der Dummheit oder von der inneren Selbständigkeit und Klugheit der Menschen versprechen."

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

Karl Popper

Bleiente

08-25-18, 01:30 PM

Nice try @Skybird.
Whose mask fell here, should actually realize any reasonable thinking people now.

:D

Skybird

08-27-18, 06:13 AM

Left-green anti-americanism unites with Muslim anti-semitism. Not just stabbings and rapes have risen in Germany, with Muslim migrants beign massively overrepresented in the perpetrator group, but mobbing and violence against Jews is acceptbale almost, politics remain inactive and produce nothing but rhetorical lip confessions,

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbazonline.ch%2Fausland%2Feuropa%2F der-neue-antisemitismus%2Fstory%2F19449232&edit-text=

Recently, I talked about anti-Semitism at Oxford University (St. Jones College). I distinguished three types of anti-Semitism: > the old Nazi anti-Semitism;
> the "New Antisemitism" that thrives in the world of Islam and its diaspora in Europe;
> the left-wing anti-Semitism that is flourishing in Europe.
I focused on the case of Germany, where the Left, in solidarity with Islamists as alleged victims of the Jews, seeks to purge themselves of the German guilt of the German murder of six million Jews. The new anti-Semitism, both of the left and the Islamists, disguises itself as anti-Zionism and as "Israel bashing". The victims of yesterday, the Jews, become perpetrators.
So far, the Left Greens have used the moral pressure of the 2015/2016 refugee crisis to stigmatize dissidents as Nazis. Even those Democrats who did not share the stranger's left-green refinement and pointed to the fact that the majority of newcomers from the Middle East were anti-Semites were treated that way.
Slowly, this narrative crumbles and people realize that the Left Greens are silent about the new anti-Semitism. The Jewish scientist Michael Wolffsohn denounces in the NZZ "the radicalized Muslim minority" and their "growing anti-Semitism" and gives to consider: "Many Jews want to emigrate."

Original Swiss source: LINK (https://bazonline.ch/ausland/europa/der-neue-antisemitismus/story/19449232)

A total social wellfare state does nto attract the best and most qulfied and civilized from other places (becasue they do not need it and Germany and Belgium are the two most heavily taxing countries in the world), but the loosers or/and the unqualified, those at the lower end of the social food chain. If this meets racism and anti-semitism as preached by Quranic doctrine (according to which islam should seek and shall take as natural the rule of Islam over all others: death for all infidels and atheists, and submission and slave status for Christians and Jews), then nothing good can come from this. In three or four decades at the latest those newcomers who may have worked indeed so far will become pensioneers, and it has been shown in calculations from Switzerland that then the little money they added to the social state, will more than called up then, the pendulum will swing back in full force. Means: in the long run, the costs outweigh the short-time gains.

This is not to say that most migrants indeed work. Most do not. And will not in the next generation as well. We have half a century of experience with the Turkish migration into Germany, and calculating all costs, it is a net loss for Germany. Later generations will be even more orthodox and conservatve, than the generation that move din first, we have learned. Todays migration is a net movement into your social systems. We may gain short termed benefits - and much higher long-termed costs and losses. Like we do with money, we now do with migration buying time at the cost of accepting much more dramatic collapse at the end.

All this pendulum will swing back already uch earlier, when the boom we have running, comes to an end before those 30-40 years. Becasue the majority of this emigrants who found a job indeed, work in branches and jobs that are very weak, will suffer dearly from a recession, will get lost first.

Germany behaves as if the best of times will last forever, and no wortsneing or even just weakening of the economical situation is even imaginable. All this hype and super-idealistic stuff - it will not forget us and will take bitter revenge. And I am very certain it will not be 30-40 years. More likely less than 10 years.

Jimbuna

08-27-18, 11:22 AM

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said "vigilante justice" will not be tolerated after far-right unrest over a murder in the eastern city of Chemnitz.

Scuffles have broken out during two days of protests by hundreds of people in the city centre since a German was stabbed to death early on Sunday.

A Syrian man and an Iraqi man have been arrested on suspicion of murder.

Police were still out in strength on Monday evening, braced for new demonstrations by both right and left.

They are also investigating alleged assaults on an Afghan, a Syrian and a Bulgarian during the unrest.

Reports have spoken of aggressive protesters chasing foreigners, though there are few details, and police have appealed for witnesses to the assaults hand over any video they may have recorded.

A far-right football fan group called Kaotic Chemnitz had earlier called out supporters to show "who is in charge", while protesters on Sunday could be seen chanting "We are the people!" and "This is our city!".

Bottles were thrown on Sunday by protesters at police, who were reinforced by officers from other cities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45320382

Catfish

08-27-18, 12:37 PM

I heard on the radio that right-wing mobs were chasing people in Chemnitz who "did not look german", with one man chased dead by now. No further info.

Skybird

08-27-18, 02:29 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45320382
Th five new Eastern federal states that formed up after reunification even after almost 30 years have not fully caught up with Westgerman standards. While loans are lower, so are living costs, so that equalises each other somehow. But there are not enough jobs, the young and willing/capable ones move out, the old ones remain behind, and what you have by that is a vicious circle of demographic decline and contracting economy conditions, falling investments, and shruning perspectoves for the young. This is why the East of Germany is generally a more fertile ground for nazi ideologists than the West.

However, in general a growing trend is to be seen that mroe and more people are sick and tired of the Merkel regime's lies and sweet talking and glossing over all and everything.

This is to be seen everywhere in Europe, it seems, lastly in Italy. There will be several elections in Sweden soon, and never since WWII has the extreme right in Sweden had so good chances to win the elections. Since 2006, the party called Sweden-Democrats (SD) has doubled its election result at every election, some weeks ago only scporing in polls 22% - with the leading party of Social Democrats scoring just 23%, and the Moderate Conservatives scoring 20%. The SD was formed by remains of the Neonazis in Sweden of the 80s. That the raise of the right is so substantial that the socialist govenrment saw itself forced to stop the migraiton policy of 2015 and cutting asylum acceptances by dramatic levels, and much more seriously than the Germans (who also still eject just a microscopic fraction of asylum seeker who were refused).

I predict that this trend will continue, uncoordinated, unstructured more or less - but it will continue the louder the EU and the socialists and the European self-haters yell and stomp their feet.

When these national trends start to coordinate themselves and become a united intenraitonal movement, thigns will get really interesting, becasue neither these right poltical movements nor the EU will shy away from using manipulation or violence to see their ideological goals through. The question is who is more potent to use force, and more willing.

If you grab sand with your fist, the tighter your grab becomes, the more sand escapes between your fingers. And all that sand that falls into the bucket below - that is the political right that the fist of the self-rightous tries to control and prevent.

Its the counterstroke of the pendulum. Every action has reaction, and the force the political correct elites enforce, inevitably returns.

Skybird

08-28-18, 06:28 AM

From hero to pariah.

25 years ago, migrant houses in Rostock were set ablaze. The author was the TV cameraman filming it form inside, being trapped like the Vietnamese that there lived. I remember the media frenzy, and how the courage of the TV crew was celebrated.

25 years, the same man voiced something true though critical and since then gets punished with social assassination.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fim_feue r_von_rostock_lichtenhagen&edit-text=

Thats the climate in Germany, 2018. Well. It reminds of this quote by Alexis de Tocqueville:

"Tyranny in democratic republics does not proceed in the same way, however. It ignores the body and goes straight for the soul. The master no longer says: You will think as I do or die. He says: You are free not to think as I do. You may keep your life, your property, and everything else. But from this day forth you shall be as a stranger among us. You will retain your civic privileges, but they will be of no use to you. For if you seek the votes of your fellow citizens, they will withhold them, and if you seek only their esteem, they will feign to refuse even that. You will remain among men, but you will forfeit your rights to humanity. When you approach your fellow creatures, they will shun you as one who is impure. And even those who believe in your innocence will abandon you, lest they, too, be shunned in turn. Go in peace, I will not take your life, but the life I leave you with is worse than death.”

Skybird

08-29-18, 06:42 AM

The following was originally published in Die Tagespost, whcih is a national conservative-Catholic weekly news magazine loyal to the Vatican. Their archive cannot be accessed without subscription, so I qoute it by Die Achse.

The author is a poet, writer and journalist ,Ulrich Schacht, and was born in 1951 in Hoheneck Women's Prison in East Germany. In 1973, sentenced to seven years imprisonment in the GDR because of "anti-state hate speech", he was ransomed in 1976 by the Federal Republic.

"Criticism" becomes "Hounding" (Hetze) again.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fneue_he isst_jetzt_wieder_hetze&edit-text=

What made Bonhoeffer so theologically - the historical work of Diabolos, the jumble, in the form of the bright, benevolent, the morally necessary realizing-man, the philosopher Karl Jaspers knew a short decade after the war to translate into the terminology of the historical thinker, by viewing the prototypical change of form of evil in the social space of the totalitarian: „Totalitarianism is not communism, not fascism, not National Socialism, but it has occurred in all these forms ... It is a phenomenon of the age, detached from all that policy, which is determined by principles of national, historical, constitutional-constitutional existence ... To see through it is not easy. It is like an apparatus that sets itself in motion, in that even the actors often do not understand it while they are already realizing it. " Referring to the Nazi regime, Jaspers then asks: „But how did it happen?" His answer: „Not by majority, but by fraud, the population did not see through. With constant emphasis on legality, the unconditional validity of the constitution, the goal was achieved. „To whom these Jasper’s sentences of 1954 in 2018 do not seem like a Déja-vu still lives in that political-propagandistic confusion like Bonhoeffer diagnosed, who makes the good of evil, the lie of the truth, of destruction salvation. The finally wrong in the law and declared anyone who rebelled against it, the enemy. To the enemy of good, truth, morality and progress.
Since the constitutional and illegal border opening in the fall of 2015 - past legislative and judicial by a power engineering process authorizing the then Interior Minister in the consequence of a self-empowerment for image reasons of the still ruling Chancellor (meticulously reconstructed in the book „The Driven“ of the capital correspondent of „Welt am Sonntag“, Robin Alexander) - which in principle lasts until the hour - even though the political-media complex in Germany has been asserting the opposite in dull propaganda lanterns around the clock since then - we are experiencing a fundamental one in the Republic of the Basic Law Attack on the same. Not by his declared enemies, wherever, but by politicians up to the highest offices, who are sworn in to this Basic Law, or lawyers who try to legitimize such a breach of law. Not least by the incumbent President of the Federal Constitutional Court, as one could take from a report of the „Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung“ about a private meal between the head of government and the highest judge of the country from 2016.---

There is great variance in the quality of Google's Bot Translations. I wonder why. In past days, many articles I used it on worked every well, this one however is a bit coarse in result, though the German langauge used is not an especially difficult or complex one in formualtions.

originally from Die Tagespost, quoted by LINK (https://www.achgut.com/artikel/neue_heisst_jetzt_wieder_hetze)

Catfish

08-30-18, 08:14 AM

There is a tradition of trivialisation of the extreme right-wing by right-wing conservative political majorities not only in Germany. And without political tailwind it is very difficult to face the problem.

When politicians here speak of the far right-wing as smaller, manageable groups, it may be true for the driving force or the organisers, but it completely understimates the movement (movement/'Bewegung' is b.t.w. pure Goebbels Nazi jargon) character of what has just happened in Chemnitz.
The connection of the right-wing extremists to a part of society where racist and anti-Semitic attitudes have always fermented has been getting closer, and is now breaking out. This has been formed politically, has become eligible in a way and is now out on the road.
The distance of 'normal people' to the extreme right-wing hardcore groups has been lost.

This movement in Saxony is being denied up to the political top of the Saxon state government to this day. The analysis of Germany's situation is thus wrong, and we will have more and more of what has happened in Chemnitz :nope:

Skybird

08-30-18, 08:33 AM

When watching the images on TV, what worries me is that the crowd seems to mix indeed hardcore Neonazis - and ordinary people from the burgoise middle class, not being Nazi, but angry. If I were an ordinary career poltician like there are so many, i would find the latter's tolerance for the presence of the first most alarming. Its what happened to the AfD as well when Lucke just foudned it: he did not get contorl of the attempts fromt he right wing to in filtrate it, and so the AfD as a whole after Lucke's attempt turned far more provoking and populist indeed.

Its what i have predicted several times: that the anger for the arrogance of the ruling elite one day will become so big that even ordinary, modest middle class citizens will tolerate extremists to take command just to have them sweeping away the corrupt elites that just do not listen and always carry on as if nothing happened and knew all and everything better, with any critics and different opinions being ridiculed, defamed, pathologized, criminalized.

Jaspers whom I quoted before, had it totally right in the part I marked red.

Reality denial can be a symptom of psychopatholic relevance. The poltical elites are filled from their toes up to their lower lips with it. But may I ask: what is tougher: the head in denial, or the concrete wall that is for real?

Skybird

08-30-18, 10:27 AM

When did we get so squeamish? - Always refreshing when reading something like this in a news magazine where you would expect it last.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutschl and%2Fpressefreiheit-die-empoerung-der-presse-ist-uebertrieben-kolumne-fleischhauer-a-1225695.html&edit-text=

The short memory seems the sign of our time. It may not be present to many, but it's only been 14 months since a violent mob moved through the Hanseatic city of Hamburg to destroy everything that somehow looked like capitalism. Does anyone remember the G-20 protests? Or, among the older ones, to the elevators in Hamburg's Hafenstraße? An Brokdorf, the runway west, the annual removals in Kreuzberg? Even then, the Bengali fire was burning. Even then, the police were so surprised by the overwhelming power of the demonstrators that it looked like the road was now ruling. Is that why the rule of law has gone to its knees? Is not he.

If you absolutely want to search for historical parallels to today, then the 1970s are much closer than the thirties. The people faced each other irreconcilably. There was so much hate and violence that the government was forced to give security agencies more and more powers. Rasterfahndung, Radikalenerlass: all results of the seventies.

German original source: LINK (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/pressefreiheit-die-empoerung-der-presse-ist-uebertrieben-kolumne-fleischhauer-a-1225695.html)

Skybird

08-30-18, 11:09 AM

Ausnahmsweise mal nur in Deutsch:

a short German video interview - in exclusively German language! -, 6 minutes: Henryk Broder, this despicable populist and fearsome right winger, on the failure of politics and the Nazi mob on the streets. How dare he!

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/video181359542/Henryk-M-Broder-ueber-Michael-Kretschmer-Der-Mann-ist-ein-sprachloser-Schwaetzer.html

The man speaks so straight plain reason that it hurts.

Bleiente

08-30-18, 11:55 AM

Mhmm - is like almost a hundred years ago.
How was it in the Weimar Republic, had not it started so similar and creeping?

And as you can see, the new "Goebbel`s" are already strikingly public. :hmmm:

ikalugin

09-03-18, 02:34 PM

https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Faugengeradeaus.net%2F2018%2F09%2Fm ehr-ausstattung-fuer-die-buendnisverteidigung-bundeswehr-legt-katalog-ihrer-faehigkeiten-fest%2F&edit-text=
was this article discussed here?

Catfish

09-03-18, 02:55 PM

^ Otte is an incompetent idiot.

Skybird

09-03-18, 04:37 PM

More high-flying plans and proud announcements. Right now the situation is that the forces are so depleted of literally everthing that just bringing the stocks of equipment and platforms as nominated by their on-paper-structure should be priority and most likely will consume most of the finances pouring in.

And even when the plan they now announced would work out like it is on paper, it would still be an army that due to its low numbers will find it hard to compensate serious losses, or even for longer maintenance intervals if damages pile up due to combat action.

What currently is not needed so much is the utmost top of the hightech systems available for hilarious much money, but simply much higher base numbers for IFVs, tanks, bridging tanks (which all were given up on after 1990s...) combat and transport helicopters, interceptors, submarines, and of course, the never-ednign drama with the A400M.

And more personell, and troops.

An army that cannot afford losses, soon will get into trouble if war breaks out. May it be too low numbers, may it be too high dependencies and lacking redundancy.

Skybird

09-04-18, 04:34 AM

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Fpolitik%2Fexperten% 2Fhugo-mueller-vogg-das-muss-doch-mal-gesagt-werden-warum-der-kampf-gegen-rechts-ist-eine-verlogene-strategie-ist_id_9527318.html&edit-text=

The slogan "fight against the right" draws a sharp line - consciously and deliberately - anyone who is not left is per se suspicious of being a right-wing radical, a racist or a Nazi.

Left Social Democrats, many Greens and last but not least the Left Party are not only resisting right-wing extremism. At the same time, in demagogic intent, they equate conservative with right, right with right-wing extremisms and AfD (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/organisationen/afd/&xid=17259,1500002,15700019,15700124,15700149,15700 186,15700191,15700201&usg=ALkJrhjAvbG9tUZo7A0Su8H-J3_2eJ4krA) with CDU (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/organisationen/cdu/&xid=17259,1500002,15700019,15700124,15700149,15700 186,15700191,15700201&usg=ALkJrhirCMo-8f0zkZE-I-vQa0u55MnBOw) and CSU (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/organisationen/csu/&xid=17259,1500002,15700019,15700124,15700149,15700 186,15700191,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhm1NQ7K1_F8S2Dlgy7PoS4Q22IVw) . The lofty goal of defending oneself against right-wing extremists is being instrumentalized in this way.

When the left-wing mob raged in Hamburg (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/regional/hamburg/&xid=17259,1500002,15700019,15700124,15700149,15700 186,15700191,15700201&usg=ALkJrhiR9aq0fIEdCyeryNr1BlOScjRTSQ) a year ago and challenged the legal sowing, left-wing social democrats like Ralf Stegner had refused to speak of "violence from the left" because the leftist was in no way capable of violence. According to this interpretation, Stalin and Mao were not leftists, a grotesque and ridiculous approach.

However, political sanitation requires to carefully distinguish between left and left extremists, between democratic socialism and communism. But compared to the right-wing part of the political spectrum, the leftists do not attach any importance to differentiation. With their defamation strategy against the "Right" they have even won the battle for terms: "fight against right" has prevailed in the media largely; is differentiated only when looking to the left.

Nobody can deny that "right" and "democratic" do not have to be a contradiction. Who is against the EU or for the abolition of the individual right to asylum, is politically undoubtedly right of the middle; But is not per se a right-wing radical or neo-Nazi. The Union has always sought to politically cover the "center right" too. But even there, some of the left-wing propaganda terminology has adapted, and some Union politicians march in the "fight against right", because he just wants to be considered progressive.

The left-green camp knows what it does; after all, most of the media are sympathetic to this demagogic trick. It is no coincidence that the fighters "against the right" have no fear of contact with left-wing extremist groups, towards the always violent "Antifa" or against bands, which are observed because of their state-disdaining, violent lyrics by the constitution protection. Shoulder to shoulder with extreme left-wing extremists to fight the far-right is undoubtedly a strategy - just not believable.

Skybird

09-15-18, 04:42 PM

News from the German toy-army.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hessenschau.de%2Fpanorama%2Fbu ndeswehr-laesst-munition-von-privaten-speditionen-transportieren%2Cbundeswehr-munitionstransport-100.html&edit-text=

I should not be surprised. Münster is seat of logistical and planning headquarters of the Bundeswehr and the German-Dutch Corps. Most of these facilities, if under German administration, get guarded not by the warriors themselves, but by private security. The only facilities that I saw being guarded by Dutch and British soldiers, are the Dutch barracks and were the former British barracks.

An army that needs to be protected by private security guards. Potential enemies like terrorists or the Russian army must piss their pants in fear.

Mängelverwaltung, thats how I call it in German.

Jimbuna

09-16-18, 08:55 AM

That must be quite worrying if things are that bad :hmmm:

Skybird

09-18-18, 03:15 AM

I am saying this since years: migrants are not all the same, the differences between culturally different origins of migrant groups makes - well, all the difference. We let in too many Muhammedan migrants from societies with strong middle-east patriarchalic family structures, contempt for women and infidels and supremacist Islamic self-understanding of one'S own peer group's superior stand in the world, whio by this culture and value system are in natural confrontation to our value system in the West, we care too little for getting more of those other groups who indeed are an enrichment and due to their own cultural heritage fit in much better and willingly.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nzz.ch%2Fgesellschaft%2Fvietna mesen-integrationswunder-ld.1311265&edit-text=

Cultures may fit better or worse, and it is quite obvious that the Confucian-Buddhist culture of the Vietnamese fits well with the Christian-secular performance societies in the West. Better than about the Muslim one. The two German sociologists Gillmeister and Fijalkowski were the first to speak of "cultural compatibility" in 1999, which makes integration easier or more difficult. Ethnologist Frank Weigelt, who wrote his dissertation on the Vietnamese Diaspora in Switzerland, also tends towards this thesis.But unfortunately:

For a few years, there is evidence that the school success of the Vietnamese again diminishes, as well as Beuchling knows. Paradoxically, this could be a consequence of successful integration. Because as soon as Vietnamese take over the patterns in their class and find it cool, which is what cool people think - as soon as they integrate themselves culturally fully - their notes will sink, if not dramatically. If they stay - and marry - on their own, then the Vietnamese environment promotes school success and, as a consequence, economic integration.

Catfish

09-18-18, 04:12 AM

Real criminal activities versus perceived criminality and security, in Germany (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fpolitik%2FIst-Deutschland-wirklich-sicherer-geworden-article20424789.html&edit-text=&act=url)

No doubt that criminality has risen within certain circles, especially certain big family clans with hundreds of members, which alreday have their own battles with the long-established Mafia clans here. There is a threat system working, against police members – "arrest my brother and me and my other brothers will come at your family" and so on.. The police really has a problem with big clans.
However the overall statistics show a falling trend in criminality, including immigrants.
The perceived situation is different though, no doubt because of those outlandish looking people and the media hype that has raised the general awareness towards especially immigrant criminality, while at the same time omitting own criminals.

Skybird

09-18-18, 07:28 AM

Fact remains that in severla crime statistics like physical violence-relate crime, rape and sexual harassemen, antisemitic hate crimes and offences, the oh so welcome d newcomers are overrepresented by several factors, usually in the ranger of facotre 5 to 8. Thnat there are biuo-Ger,man rpaiosts as wlel doe snot chnage the fact that rape and assdault is committed severla tiumes as often in a matching group of migrants form africa and the Middle East. When migrants in general form lets say 15% of a population, you woudl expect a mean of around 1 in 6 or 1 in 7 of suspects in a crime vcatregory being a migrant. When instead in tzotla there are as manay migrant suspects as there are German suspects it merans the miorgasn t are overrepresented by severla factors.

In Sweden they reported on the crime numbers in the preparation of the recent elections. The number of rape incidents have climbed by a factor of 6, or was it even 7, in total. But the number of native Swedish men committing rapes, have stayed the same, stayed relati8vel ylowl, compared to othe rEuropean countries . Which means the raise in incidents has been caused by the "new Swedes" arriving. Impressive. Stockholm some years ago was called by some Europe's rape capital.

That has nothing to do with "anti migration hype" (there is none, just yesterday they released a statement on a not uirther described new study that claims the Germans are even more pro-migrant than before [they call migrants refugees in general] and want even more of them to arrive in Germany) and media awareness, even more so when the tax-paid state media are mercilessly reporting the wanted political propaganda newspeak.

Skybird

09-20-18, 08:32 AM

Ten days ago, the Bundeswehr practiced a live-firing exercise. A helicopter shot a live missile into a summer-dry forest area with peaty underground. Clever idea. A fire developed. The Bundeswehr sent a fire-extinguishing engineer tank, which happened to break down. They sent a replacement, which also broke down. No further such tanks were available.

Initially, it were 6 hectars that were in flames. Yesterday the fire burnt for one week now in the underground, and an area of 800 hectars is in flames. Several villages and communities got early alarm for evacuation. The smoke is to be smelled in cities north of the place, over 100 kilometers away.

Baracks-Barbie Ursual von der Leyen says Germany should engage heavily in Mali, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, icreasing the efforts there. why that is necessary after telling us for over a decade now that thing sgo well and evertyhing is on a good path, remaisn her mystery. And why Mali, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan should have priority over the Bundeswehr'S home capacities - like trivial things like for exmaple beign able to manage an intiially small bush fire - also remains without answer.

Jimbuna

09-20-18, 09:28 AM

^ I appreciate the tone and seriousness of what you have posted but there remains a part of me that sees the humour and futility of the situation.

Skybird

09-20-18, 09:37 AM

Dripping with black humour is the only way life can be endured when living amongst modern Germans. You may however die early by pneumonia, due to the heavy moisture in the air from all all that humour dripping. But at least you die laughing .

And get rid of those Germans as well. :shucks:

Skybird

09-20-18, 04:15 PM

Germany abolishes itself, part - well, I lost track.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.freiewelt.net%2Fnachricht%2Fde m-buergerlichen-gesetzbuch-soll-das-geschlecht-ausgetrieben-werden-10075727%2F&edit-text=

Its member of parliament Karl-Heinz Brunner called hastily in a press release to introduce the so-called "mother presumption" (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.spdfraktion.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/volle-gleichstellung-homosexueller-ehepaare&xid=17259,15700021,15700043,15700124,15700149,1570 0186,15700191,15700201,15700214&usg=ALkJrhhsdS1Yk9h_lSP2OZHSokybWbooPQ) . In other words, the partner of a lesbian mother would automatically be recognized as the second mother of the child born in marriage, thereby circumventing the lawful successive adoptive procedure. The biological father of the child then played no role. He would be legally eradicated from the biography of the child.

The planned nebulization of the genetic origin and thus of the natural family relationships is the goal and intention of the left green-colored anti-family front in the Bundestag. But they are still a law of the Civil Code in the way, whose wording miraculously remained intact despite the ideologically motivated language intervention in the Civil Code. Paragraph 1591 BGB on Maternity "The mother of a child is the woman who gave birth to it". The brevity of this succinct phrase should not deceive its legal power. But this natural fact of our genesis, cast into a law, prevents the basal biological process of conception and birth from having fallen prey to the cold exploitation logic of modern industrial societies. The automatic legal attachment of the mother to her born child prevents legal surrogacy as well as the law legally averts claims of third parties to the child. The SPD, the Left, the FDP and the Greens can not get past this law - but they are working on it.

Some consumers think milk and vegetable come from the supermarket (as observed by Steve... :) ) And certain ideologists think babies come from special interest lobbies and political parties.

Retards, all of them.

Skybird

09-21-18, 05:28 AM

Contemporary German sensitivities.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fder_som mer_unseres_missvergnuegens&edit-text=

But you can also minimize dangers to the point of denial and prevent their open debate as much as possible. For companies, this quickly leads to bankruptcy. Unlike politics, denial of dangers and postponement of debates on another track is often a successful business model for client politics and securing power.

Skybird

09-21-18, 05:44 AM

1st state propaganda channel ARD. The so-called Sunday's question - "What if there would be national elections this weekend?"

https://www.freiewelt.net/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_deutschlandtrend_20sep18_51e3b20e37.jpg
Even the state propaganda's polling cannot hide anymore that this government is in free fall.

I expect that in the comign years the fraction-community of CDU and CSU can fall apart. And the grand coalition ther eis today is most busy with jst keeping its bosses in office even at the cost of most absurd manouvers. Titanic is sinking, and they send one band after the other on deck. The coaltion has no majprity anymore, and is still dropping.

Yesterday I talked to a young man, around 19, 20 years, in a bicycle shop where I bought spare parts. He noticed that I paid cash, and more jokingly I commented jokingly with something like "This transaction must not be tracked by them, I am too dangerous when driving a bicycle." To my surprise and amusement the young man immediately started a standoff lecture about plastic payment preventing him to keep an overview on his monthly finances, and that preventing cash money means a decline of civil freedom and more state control and power and and and - the Austrian stuff that usually I am preaching. He ended with a full broadside about the intention to create more inflation artificially. Wowh! :D

Its the third time this year that something like this happens to me. Gives me a small, maybe irrational hope that the young generation maybe has started to wake up and refuses to be taken as a fool by the Merkeliotics and the likes anymore.

But then, it were just three voices, so I probably will get disappointed again. But for the moment, it were pleasant experiences.

Skybird

09-24-18, 03:36 PM

This is not just scrappy methodology. It is intentional abuse of methodology for propagandistic purposes.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fintegra tionsbarometer_2018_die_schrott_studie_des_jahres&edit-text=

I am a fan of proper statistics and proper scientific methodology. Its easily the most influential, benefittary, intellectual tool that man has ever invented. Abusing it or accidentally misusing it, does not speak against the value of these methods. It only illustrates that man can abuse the positive for the sake of wanting to realise something negative, or can be sijmply incompetent. It only illustrates the corruptiveness of man, and the degree to which corruption has hijacked our positive potentials.

Even in the academic and science circus. The problem is not the science and its analysis tools. The problem is its actors.

Skybird

09-25-18, 01:57 PM

After last national elecitons one year ago, I said Merkel is done. That she still is there, means nothing. She loooses influence and power by every day. And she still seems to be unwilling to realise how far her cause already has degenerated. Now another broadside from the unsuspected has delivered against her. By her own party.

https://www.dw.com/en/merkel-ally-sent-packing-in-surprising-parliamentary-group-leadership-vote/a-45635982

She is a lame duck, foreign polically, inner political, party-politically. Since last elections it has been demonstrated with shamelss frankness that her business has just been about not being driven off the feeding through. She accepted "compromises" by her her party for that goal that are absolutely self-destroying to that party. The impacts fall with ever higher frequencies, and the noise is constantly moving closer.

Absolutely possible that she will not make it through the next months. And who knows: maybe its just even weeks. Absolutely possible.

Also possible that the provocations by the CSU in past weeks and months just aimed at bringing Merkel down before the full term of this coalition has been spend. The CSU never was happy that Merkel gave so much to the SPD just to stay in the office, though without power and influence left. Especially giving the finance ministry to the SPD was something that caused shock and awe. And the SPD finance minister indeed runs a policy worse than what had to be feared.

Its Merkeldämmerung, definitely. Mark my words, she is as good as gone. For the time she still stays glued to her chair, she is just a lame duck. And the hunt has been opened - by her own party, and her arrogant ignorrance. Considering the amount of damages she has brought over Germany and the amount of weaknesses and new dependencies she has pushed Germany into in the past decade, her fall cannot give satisfaction at all. The negatives will live on long after she has formally been driven out of office. A bombed country after a war just can be cleaned up and rebuild again. What Merkel and her EU allies have done, cannot be that easily repaired. Probabaly cannot ever be repaired. That makes her the worst political desaster in Germany since 1933 and the 12 dark years that followed '33.

Skybird

10-14-18, 02:24 PM

Bavarian elections.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45857699

"Honest election results", calculating non-voters into final standings:

https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36110999/Unbenannt.png (https://www.pic-upload.de)

Catfish

10-15-18, 03:35 AM

70 percent of the people voting, this is bad but also 'normal' since some time. The AfD with its leader Neonazi Hoecke, before the SPD, this is really worrying.

(Google translate)

The vision of the AfD leader (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Ftp%2Ffeatures%2FBjo ern-Hoecke-droht-mit-Dunkeldeutschland-4186178.html&edit-text=&act=url)

"Höcke in fact holds little of basic and human rights as well as the separation of powers and parliamentarism. For him, "Western values" are "inflated value foam" (p. 199). "The party spirit must be overcome, the inner unity must be established," he says. (288) End the "Western-decadent liberalism and the escalating party rule"! (285) It should be replaced by "a demanding and supportive political elite that awakens our national spirits." (286)"

[...] he doubts that "a nation is even able to extract itself from the swamp". (286) "It takes a strong personality and a firm hand on a long leash to tame the centrifugal forces and bring them together in a political momentum." (231)

Höcke makes it clear that the aim of his exclusion of parts of the population from the "people" is not just the migrants. Höcke does not leave it to agitate in open-right-radical tone for the fight against the alleged "impending national death by the population exchange" (216). He also advocates drastic measures with regard to the people of pure German descent.
"'Sturdy limbs can not be cured with lavender water', Hegel already knew". (254) Höcke states in his intended change that "unfortunately we will lose some parts of the people who are too weak or unwilling" to participate. (257)
Höcke thinks of a "bloodletting" and indicates that those Germans who disagree with his political projects are excluded from Höckes Germany. The way in which this should happen is left to the imagination. Alternatively, the options of migration, deprivation, criminalization or liquidation appears before the mind's eye."

and so on and so on. Where have we heard that before.
I meanwhile think that there is more needed than a democratic.. reluctance, towards this type.

But with the successors of Cambridge Analytics, Steve Bannon coming to Europe, Nigel Farage, and their intended goal to destroy democratic party systems who knows what will happen.

Skybird

10-15-18, 05:47 AM

The competition of pied pipers - ban not just one of them, ban them ALL. Ban all parties and professional politicians who made it their way of earning an income "to do politics" all life long. What would change if the AfD goes away? Nothing. Not just the AfD - ALL of them have to go. It were the others who made the AfD possible, who fostered it, who called it into life.

"Whoso would be a man, must be a nonconformist. He who would gather immortal palms must not be hindered by the name of goodness, but must explore it if it be goodness. Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind. Absolve you to yourself, and you shall have the suffrage of the world." - Ralph Waldo Emerson: "Self Reliance".

This essay by Emerson, which is probably his most famous one, is some of the most valuable and precious pieces of text I have ever read, a real wake-up call . And very modern, it is a crushing verdict for our modern present and the servile attitude it commands people to praise as social ideal.

Catfish

10-15-18, 05:59 AM

I already expected you to applaud Hoecke. :D

After all he has nothing else in mind than in abolishing parties and democracy altogether, when his time comes.

^ which is of course polemic..
But really, knwoing how man or "the humans" think and act, what would you propose as a better system. Anarchy? A kingdom? All this becomes philosophy..

If everyone "cooks his own soup" and is nonconformist and individual, there can be no egalitarian justice as well. How can inventions be made? The times of the lone inventor in his lab inventing something alone has long gone, and i dare say it is not possible anymore when it comes to medicine, or complex machinery. It all is a group effort nowadays. :hmmm:

Next thing regarding revolution theory of e.g. Marcuse, does a revolution, even if ending like intended, is worth the bloodshed, and are the conditions really better then for the average human being? This also applies for 'brexit', or any constitutional change.

Skybird

10-22-18, 04:35 PM

The German question is back.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fdebatte%2Fkommentare %2Farticle182499488%2FKrise-des-Westens-Deutschland-muss-die-Schmerzen-des-Erwachsenwerdens-bewaeltigen.html&edit-text=

Skybird

10-27-18, 05:00 AM

Tomorrow the final death bell for the Merkel plague could ring : there will be elections in the federal state of Hesse. Polls show both CDU and SPD could expect losses of 10%. If the SPD gets ridiculed again, I doubt it will continue the coalition in Berlin. Currently, there is a CDU-Green coalition in Hesse. It is unlikely to continue in this way, a third player would need to join in.

Nation-wide, a clear majority is shown in polls to not want Merkel anymore. 2015 and its consequences has seriously pissed many Germans by now, things have detoriated visibly and security grew worse. Few days ago a group of up to 15 Syrian migrants once again have gang-raped a girl of age 18. Knife-attacks committed by members of the mutli-cultural enrichment movement are now part of German life style and happen practically every day. Police say violence against police officers "have multiplied by factors" both in quality and quantity. Its always the same client group that gives them troubles: migrants from africa and Muslim countries in Africa and the ME.

The two big Volksparteien still try to hide this and to minimise attention for it. They still moralise and want to teach lessons on how to morally behave well. And complain about being kicked off of people's list of preferences in return. I think the age of the great two catch-all parties are over. And all in Europe and even globally we see more extreme kind of politicians coming to power: Italy, Brasil as just the last two examples on my mind.

Curious detail: the people in Hesse also will vote on whether or not to abandon the death penalty. Yes, in Hesse, it still is in the constitution.

STEED

10-28-18, 12:51 PM

GERMANY will be forced to pay an extra £13.2billion a year to the EU after Brexit

I only posted this headline as it comes from the right wing Daily Express gutter press here.

So I will ask is this true or fake news?

Catfish

10-28-18, 01:12 PM

^ May well be, the numbers are from may 2018, but i don't think they changed much. We can take it. Not that we want to.

Much more disturbing: Election in Hesse, Germany. CDU and SPD have suffered losses, the Neonazi AfD has 12 percent and is now present in every county of Germany, with appx. 8+ percent overall. Like in the US, hate speech and anti-semitism is increasing, as is criminal behaviour among the ultra-right. Not good.

Skybird

10-28-18, 02:18 PM

I only posted this headline as it comes from the right wing Daily Express gutter press here.

So I will ask is this true or fake news?
Four or five days ago the main media outlets in Germany and the Tagesschau indeed said that Germany will need to pay an additional 15 billion Euros to the EU per year - additonal to the money it already transfers per year right now.

Add to this the indirect costs due to the changes in trade bilance between Germany and the UK, the losses in taxes due to companies reducing trade with the UK, and so forth.

So the number you read in the Daily Express is not exaggerated. It probably is even too low, if calculating hidden idirect costs as well. The 16 billion mentioned are only due to the schemes by which economic size and populatio size of nations decide the share they have to take for the yearly budgets of the EU. If the UK leaves, that lack needs to be compensated for, and the biggest share will be paid by Germany, as always.

Still , in the ECB decision makings and the eU gremia, Germany has a voting weight of one - like an economic nobody like Malta has "one" as well. Its hilarious. The Germans must have lost their marbles when accepting this bollocks scheme. Its an invitation for abuse. And practically everybody seems to accept it. Serves us right.

But once Germany falls, we will take all of Europe with us. Sounds familiar, eh?

Skybird

10-28-18, 02:23 PM

As projected, both CDU and SPD lost almost 11% in Hesse, accumulating their combined losses to over 21%.

The corrected result, that has the non-voters (="Nichtwähler") calculated into the final scores. Any government being formed will not be legitimated by more than just one third of all population that is eligible to vote. The tyranny of the minorities over the majority.

https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36181852/Bildschirmfotovom2018-10-2820-19-45.png (https://www.pic-upload.de)

mapuc

10-28-18, 06:30 PM

@ Skybird

These none-voters (32,4 %)

Have it always been so high ?

If not, why is it so high this time ?

Markus

STEED

10-28-18, 07:26 PM

Thanks Sky.

BTW: You happy about that election result?

Skybird

10-28-18, 07:38 PM

Non-voters in the past 20 years varied between 20 and 30% at national elections, and in the federal states elections of the past 2 decades ranges as high as 56% (Saxonia-Anahlt 2006), though usually being in the medium and high 40s. It depends on the state.

In general, the major parties CDU and SPD since years suffer erosion of their trust and reputation, and since 2-3 years are in a steep fall. Losses they suffer in the last couple of elections always were in the 2-digit range. The big winners these days are the Greens, and the AFD, the latter now present in all 16 federal state parliaments, often by 2-digit scores. The Greens seem to take over the second place dominance from the SPD. The fake-libertarians FDP usually fight for their survival (5% hurdle), and Die Linke (Marxist communist followers to the now gone GDR's SED state party) too want to be much more than they can be, and play practically no big role.

The differences between the parties left and right, socialists and conservative, have become fluent and meaningless and much of the formal socialists' goals and policies have been taken over by Merkel. Since her party occupied the left's ground, the whole system shifted to the left and rendered the left parties meaningless - at the cost of eroding traditionally conservative positions and identity-feeling of the former conservative CDU. The SPD is disliked now since it cannot be differentiated from the "being-left" of the CDU anymore, and the CDU is disliked because it is not especially conservative anymore, but is the new SPD, so to speak. Add to this the massive worstening of security and the migrant disaster and Merkel's underhanded policy in this regard and her incompetent handling and even denial of the crisis, and you have all explanations needed why SPD and CDU get the boot now, and got it two weeks ago in Bavaria as well (the CSU suffered the worst result ever since WW2), and must fear to get it again if there would now be early elections on national level. Its the pure panic that keeps them pushing ahead with the great coalition although nobody, nobody wants it anymore. But they have their faces in the troughs, and they fight stubbornly to give up this privilieged position. Nobody wnatsd the breat coaltion anymore. Not the CDU, not the CSU, not the SPD. And certainly not the German people. Merkel'S reign is practically at its end, and it is like this since last national elecitosn, it is li,e this sicne two years. Shes a zombie, but she just doe snot go, but wants to force everbody to love her again. Mistvieh, verdammtes. Last polls over the past 2 months showed that now a growing majority of Germans want her to simply get lost. Her migrants policy - and her unwillingness to admit that she made a terrible mistake there - has broken her neck. Crime, rapes, and a lot of knife crime is the result. You should know all that from your own country, mapuc - Sweden suffered the same fate over the past years with its uncontrolled Muslim migration influx. Rape and knife-violence exploded. We did the same mistakes like Sweden did earlier - and now the development in germany mirrors the example of developments in Sweden over the past 10, 15 years. Who is the bigger fool here: the original first fool, or the second, follow-up fool needlessly taking the first as his example to follow? All laughs are on Germany, I say.

I wish all them parties to hell, no matter their colours and names.

Skybird

10-28-18, 07:42 PM

Thanks Sky.

BTW: You happy about that election result?

Happy? Its all just a show to me, entertaining or not. You should have noted by now that I am not exactly a deep-state fan at all and have only criticism for the modern concept of so-called democray only. The reasons for this I have often explained over the past couple of years, and I referred to authors and books expressing all this in a more competent fashion than my forum posts usually do. I say it again: for the ancient Greeks, to whom we refer when talking about the "cradle of democracy", the messed up, hopelessly corrupted and completely eroded garbage bin our political systems today are, would appear to be what they rated to by tyranny. Or chaos. The loudest and most incompetent and by character most unscrupulous minorities tyrannise and abuse the majorities. And this we call "freedom"? "Citizenship"? "Responsibility"?

If it all would go up in flames today, I would refuse to voluntarily lend even just a single broken bucket with holes in its bottom. Completely pissed, thats what I am.

Catfish

10-29-18, 02:53 AM

[...] Completely pissed, thats what I am.

It sure read like it :haha:
I do not quite agree to the "democracy" of ancient Greece though, it is easy to have a "democracy" for a few who vote, when all the work is done by slaves who may of course not vote, and are ritually slaughtered and kept down.

Unfortunately there is a lot of truth in what you wrote above your last post.

I found it especially laughable how all parties exclaimed how they had "won" in the Hesse election, while the only party that really got ahead and won was the AfD. Delusional, to say at least. And in Berlin, it is all going on like the last years, nothing to see here, business as usual.

Catfish

10-29-18, 06:16 AM

Merkel just declared she will not run for presidency of the CDU again in december 2018. She will still remain chancellor though.

Skybird

10-29-18, 06:24 AM

Merkel just declared she will not run for presidency of the CDU again in december 2018. She will still remain chancellor though.
What one wants, and what one gets, are two different things. We'll see. Maybe they have not yet shown her to the door. But surely they have handed her coat to her. The end is near. One decade too late.

For the time being, however:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46016377

With Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer being the most likely successor, another desaster-figure is being installed. From bad to bad at least, if not from bad to worse. Not really the promise of a change.

Skybird

10-29-18, 06:32 AM

It sure read like it :haha:
I do not quite agree to the "democracy" of ancient Greece though, it is easy to have a "democracy" for a few who vote, when all the work is done by slaves who may of course not vote, and are ritually slaughtered and kept down.
.
The point is that this nevertheless is the original meaning and idea of "democracy". Its originally a feudal government system .

Jimbuna

10-29-18, 06:43 AM

Jimbuna

10-29-18, 06:45 AM

Still , in the ECB decision makings and the eU gremia, Germany has a voting weight of one - like an economic nobody like Malta has "one" as well. Its hilarious. The Germans must have lost their marbles when accepting this bollocks scheme. Its an invitation for abuse. And practically everybody seems to accept it. Serves us right.

The very point I find most offensive in being an EU member.

Jimbuna

10-29-18, 06:46 AM

Merkel just declared she will not run for presidency of the CDU again in december 2018. She will still remain chancellor though.

That woman has more political lives than a cat.

Skybird

10-29-18, 07:07 AM

My God, Jens Spahn candidates, too, a boasting and m ost narcisstic self-promoter who has no real key competences, and is a typical party-product of the system'S personell-breeding program, including stepping the chairs of the CDU's youth-organization. He came to rise not becasue his brilliance or excellent comoetence for anythign was ntoiced, but becasue he channled at the right point of time that he is gay: and then all hearts flew to him.

His career as minister for health so far marked by bog words and half-baked compromises that do not really tackle the inherent problems there.

Monkey zoo votes for monkey alphas.

And Friedrich Merz may return as well. At least he knows finance a bit, just that he draws the wrong consequences from it and strongly propagates the aper money system and the Euro.

I predict that the AFD will beocme much, much stronger over the coming years, and maybe the Greens as well, for different reasons. The old parties seem to still not understand. Monkey zoo dreams monkey dreams.

Skybird

10-29-18, 07:10 AM

Most worrying in my estimation and predicted earlier by Sky if my memory isn't failing me.
CDU lost 10.9%, SPD lost 11.3%.

Its the second major debacle for them within just two weeks.

STEED

10-29-18, 09:31 AM

"Happy days will be here again in 2021"

I can hear you singing Sky. :DL

Skybird

10-29-18, 10:01 AM

Twenty Twenty-one...??? She still thinks she is to dictate the conditions...???

You cannot get rid of them, you just cannot. Must the moon fall on her throne before she wills to see that people do not want her anymore and certainly not for another almost three years...??

Damn bitch. Some people are too full of themselves. For flattering just one ego, the possible damage gets maximised.

I do not sing, Steed . I want to force the message with two jet engines into her ears so that she finally cannot avoid to understand what is being told to her. The message is simple: swing your fat azz off my lawn NOW!!

The next two and a half years will be the worst for Germany. Maybe there will be a party revolt. Cant get worse, so good it would be. Unfortunately the SPD gets ruled currently by another such arrogant motherpig that has its snout glued to the trough. But maybe a party revolt will overwhelm her and then end this carricature of a "coaltiion".

When the last national elections were held and the results came in, we all knew immediately that it would turn out to be a messy time, didn't we. And if the parties instead would have triumphed bck then, it would have been messy as well, due to their arrogance boosted by such a card blanche.

Its a mess.

Jimbuna

10-29-18, 01:14 PM

STEED

10-30-18, 05:27 PM

She's certainly determined to cling on until the bitter end :)

Now now jim, poor old Sky will be needing a bloody great big scotch making comments like that. :03: :)

I'm afraid but the old saying is so true..One bastard out and another bastard in.

em2nought

10-30-18, 05:37 PM

It's like you guys bought a time share. When you don't want it anymore you can't give it away and it still costs you money. :D

STEED

10-30-18, 05:46 PM

Just for Sky...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BmEGm-mraE

Skybird

10-31-18, 07:01 AM

:D ^

News from today says that of all new platforms for the Bundeswehr that got dleivered in 2017, currently not more than 38% is operational, the rest is broken down or so uncomplete that it cannot be operated.

Three of four newly delivere deurofighters, are grounded.

Of 71 newly delivered Puma IFVs, 44 are not operational.

Of 8 so far delivered A400M, only 4 can fly with restrictions, the other 4 are grounded.

Of 7 new Tiger helcopter gunships, 5 are grounded.

Of 7 new NH90 transport helcopters, 3 are grounded.

Official goal of the BW is to have at least 70% of its platforms always ready for action.

The Germans got some apllaus for the equipment they show up with in Norway during NATO's manouver. What is less knwon is that that equipment has been borrowed from all other units of the BW across all Germany, and these units now are seriously handicapped since the equipment is missing. Not even adequate training is possible due to lacking working equipment, and in many batallions they suspended training.

"Advanced flexible equipment management system" this is called by barrack barbie von der Leyen'S ministry. An euphemism for "Mängelverwaltung", sounds like GDR-terminology.. An invention of her predecessor von Guttenberg.

Repairing these deficits, just repairing them, is called war mongering and a provocation to Russia, says the SPD and many others.

Jimbuna

10-31-18, 08:30 AM

^ It would appear someone is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Skybird

11-01-18, 07:46 AM

Merkel may not be so much a lame duck, but a stealth duck now attacking below radar's horizon.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsichtplatz.de%2F%3Fp%3D12309&edit-text=

Me too thinks she will maximise the damages of her reign in the time she still has.

Jimbuna

11-01-18, 11:23 AM

Angela Merkel: Germany's shrewd political survivor

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c8nq32jwjw0t/angela-merkel

STEED

11-01-18, 12:01 PM

I hear Merkel has moved into the bunker! :03:

Time to get worried. :hmmm:

Skybird

11-01-18, 12:35 PM

Three things I never have forgotten about her:

She comes form a family of a protestant clergyman who led his family from the relative freedom of Westgermany back into the socialist GDR. Voluntarily. The protestant church'S relation to the regime was none fof ame and no busioenss it could be proud of. Questionable and dubious, at best.

Merkel was in the youth oirganisaiton of the SED state party, the FdJ (Freie deutsche Jugend). So far, so good, every young boy and girlwas, if they wnated to not ruin their future chances to be allowe dto study and become academics or make a career otherwise, by Eastgerman standards. Pure opportunism, only few dared to resist, and paid for that. But Merkel did not just board the trian everybody wa sriding on - she made career in the FdJ and made it to the ranks of a chief secretary of the FdJ for agitation and propaganda, responsible for the universities and the academy of science. She was not even a fully grown up girl back then, anbd already had arranged herself with the regime and set the m akr needed to make potlicla career inside the regime.

As a teenage girl, she participated in the spying on and guarding of profiled dissidents and regime critics, another action that the oridnary opportunistic FdJ member did not end up in, only convinced, trusted, regime-loyal people. Havelmann is the most prominent case to be named here.

This socialisation must have left traces in her maturing and mind and thinking. And it show, it shows so very clearly. A merciless lack of principles to not allow any princple ever come in her way. A Machivellian understanding for playing the claviature of power. An instinct-driven talent for talking content-free propaganda babble. An aim for socialist political goals: under her reign, the CDU has turned into the SPD, and what was the CDU before her now is territory claimed by he Green who became a bit more conservative. Merkel is the personification of the term "opportunism".

In Merkel and her understanding of "Europe", there is more of the old Eastgerman GDR tyranny and its mentality, then there ever was about freedom, modenr dmeoctracy, and the heritage of the - now dead - old CDU principles and values. Pure opportunism of hers. And a poltical self-undersdtanding that mirrors that of the old party grandees in the SED and the heads of ther GDR state.

There is an old bitter joke about her, expesially known in Eastgerman federal states: Merkel is the executioner of Erich Honnecker's late revenge against the FRG. This descritpion fits her perfectly. No other political survivors of the old Warsaw Pact regimes that collapsed in the late 80s, was as successful in hiding their real nature and making a new career, like her. And all of Germany and all of Europe believed her showact - and still do.

My antipathy against her roots much deeper than most of you people here can imagine. I do not exaggerate when I said in the past that to me she is the worst political desaster in Germany's history since 1933 and the 12 dark years following that year.

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Interesting it will be what the AfD now does. Merkel was their prime argument: "Merkel must go", that was the slogan that kept the AfD going. Now that Merkel is almost "gone", at least off the radar screen, what 'S next for the AfD?

Jimbuna

11-02-18, 06:09 AM

^ Then why until recent times has she been so popular with the German electorate?

Skybird

11-02-18, 06:36 AM

Many people do not know what I said. A book describing it already years ago, simply dissappeared from the market, a second book got silenced down, practically dissappeared mysteriously as well. What remaisn to be rarely reprted can be labelled as conpiracy theory and rant from such obscure wbsites lablled as "racist" or whatever. The chancellor's office has cleaned internal file databases and library sources systematically of hints for her past.

And she tells the Germans what they want to hear. That we are social, good, mean it well, and most important: that things will stay as good as they are and big mummy will care for everybody and everything. She has taken the germans out of the rough world, and put them into stasis, so to speak. She deleted "change" and "other world" from the vocabulary, instead created a cocoon inside which there is emotional coziness that feels warm and close - and silently suffocates everybody not agreeing with her terminology. All political rivals that could endanger her seat at the party's top, have been mobbed away, were complimented out, got disposed in distant Brussels, were frustrated until they left voluntarily. What was left was just a club of claqueurs - uncritical, uniform, perfect parrots.

Finally she hijacked every political theme and argument of the opposition if that was something that the opposition could score with voters. That way, the other parties, especially the SPD and FDP, got almost consumed and digested and were left with no characteristical themes of theirs: whatever theme you wanted to see being taken care of: the party to go to with it was now the CDU alone. At least that was what the CDU claimed under Merkel. The public of course noticed and perceived it like this , state TV did its part in spreading the propaganda and new way of speaking, and so taking Merkel as leader became the natural thing to do.

"Mutti" is not for no reason her nickname over here.

If that verb would exist: to massive (somebody to death) - Merkel would be an example where it would be well-used to describe her method of wiping out opposition to her. A giant massive omnipresence that occupies everybody'S thinking and by its shere massive existence prevents other things and other people from breathing, moving, objecting...

Catfish

11-02-18, 07:28 AM

While Skybird's rants contain some truth, there are hundreds of decisions that are/were not negative, or bad. It always depends on the point of view. But as we all here do, Skybird picks out some bad ones and only comments on those, since ranting is much more fun. But i really can't bear the cant of how bad it all is, the sky will fall, a.s.o. anymore, it's becoming boring.

While i also think that Merkel should go, i do not think that all her decisons were bad, not even 10 percent. Experts even today say that the opening of the borders in 2015 were not a bad idea. Regarding international law and humanitarian concerns it was the only thing to do. That nationalists and xenophobes oppose that – who would have thunk? :haha:
I wonder what the right wing agenda will be when they cannot beat the dead horse of hostility towards foreigners anymore.

I take it that some just need a war and their life being diretcly threatened, nothing to eat, no perspectives, having to flee from a war perpetrated on their land by countries far away, to recognize that they do not really have it bad at all now, here, and today. Not compared to other times (read: the past), nor to certain other countries.
Wailing and whining on a very high level of personal freedom and property.

Skybird

11-02-18, 09:48 AM

Germany shall be held accountable for some more hundreds of billions of foul credits in the Eurozone:

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Ffinanzen%2Fnews%2Fe uropaeischer-waehrungsfonds-bundesrechnungshof-warnt-deutsche-steuerzahler-muessen-womoeglich-milliarden-zahlen_id_9841988.html&edit-text=

For comparison: Germany GDP in 2017 was 3.2 trillion Euros.

The Target-2 Saldi are not even mentioned in the article. More hundreds of billions lost.

Skybird

11-02-18, 11:27 AM

Again this ^ drivel? :wah:

While Skybird's rants contain some truth, there are hundreds of decisions that are/were not negative, or bad. It always depends on the point of view. But as we all here do, Skybird picks out some bad ones and only comments on those, since ranting is much more fun. But i really can't bear the cant of how bad it all is, the sky will fall, a.s.o. anymore, it's becoming boring.
We all know from what political direction you are coming from, even if you deny it: not the fineprint on the poster but the music makes the concert, and that puts your comments into perspective.

While i also think that Merkel should go, i do not think that all her decisons were bad, not even 10 percent. Experts even today say that the opening of the borders in 2015 were not a bad idea. "Experts"...? Save me. There have been "experts" claiming right the opposite, btw.

Regarding international law and humanitarian concerns it was the only thing to do. Wrong on both accounts. Plus the constitution unconditionally obligates any government, no matter the party, to protect German borders. Nobody had the guts to claim repsonsibility for this decisiopon, for the German public at that time would have crucified any cabinet member doing so. And has Merkel not m ade it a motto now that emotions and sentiments shall trump law and order and treaties? Well, she has for sure.

You just want that foreigners from other continents have any right for the fruits of Germans' labour without having ever contributed to it themselves, and most of these strangers never will contribute in net effect to it, but will take more from the social system than they pay back into it. We will pay dearly for this self-delusion. It will be a heavy bill. A very heavy bill, in money, and in further destruction of Germany'S cultura and social fundaments. The left will have big and loud parties in the rubble.

That nationalists and xenophobes oppose that – who would have thunk? :haha:
I wonder what the right wing agenda will be when they cannot beat the dead horse of hostility towards foreigners anymore.Yes, for lefties like you everybody opposing the expropriation of German wealth and private property, and opposing the politically correct rejecton of Germans having first right over their own land, is a nationalist and xenophobe. An islamophobe and a paranoid. A Nazi and a racist. A mentally derranged and soul-sick nuthead who must be cured. Or burned, socially assassinated and silenced. Jaddajaddajadda...

I take it that some just need a war and their life being diretcly threatened, nothing to eat, no perspectives, having to flee from a war perpetrated on their land by countries far away, to recognize that they do not really have it bad at all now, here, and today. Not compared to other times (read: the past), nor to certain other countries.
Wailing and whining on a very high level of personal freedom and property.How many millions do you want to take in, catfish? 40 millions? 60 millions? More? Can all be done, there is that immense demand to migrate into the promised lands of Europe for sure, especially Germany. "We can afford it".

The now debated UN migration "pact" has dynamite in it that the TV state media desperately try to hide since long: it claims that every migration-willing man has a "human right" to freely choose where he wants to live. But I doubt that refugees from the war in Jemen will just be satisfied with living in Egypt or Somalia if they get told they have a claim for Germany instead. And what now gets forumalted as a test ballon and thus in form of "non-bionding" declarations, will be turned into treaty and law soon in the gfuture - it make sno sense to decvlare non-binding rules if you have ni intetion whatever to turn them into bidnign rules.

Nopbody can have a right whatsoever to force and press himself into an existing community of established members and demand that them now have to get along with him and have to integrate him, no matter whwether they want him or not. Because that would be a violation of profound human rights of the mebers of said communities. No man can have claim for somebody else. A migrant can ask for poerkimnssiuon to travel over land somebody else owns, and he can ask to be allowed to stay - and the land owner has any right yone could imagine to say Yes or No, freely. Only this way it can work. Everything else is enforced colonization and land-taking-by-force.

The Dalai Lama, certainly not suspicious to be a warmonger or racist or xenophobe, some months ago said that the Europeans should not act stupid while being helpful: that they should strictly differ between migrants and de factor war refugees indeed, and that war refugees have no claim whatever to be allowed to stay for the rest of their life: that they must return for sure once the war in their home country is over. He also said that migrants must ask, but have no right to demand. That is the original meaning of asylum: it means not constant residence, which would be either migration or colonization (depending on the willingness of the newcomers to either integrate, or not to integrate but expecting that the new country has to adapt to them instead), but asylum means being given shelter only for as long as the war situation lasts. He also said that instead they should be trained and educated while they stay temporarily, and then be send back: so that they can help to rebuild their countries that without their citizens returning and helping never woukd get rebvuld at all: becasue nobody would be there doing it. Or is that somethign that the Germans also should do, during summer holidays, maybe?

Needless to say, there are no coinvincing mechanisms in place that regulate the moving baclk fo for exmaple Syrian migrnats and refugees to Syria once he war there indeed has toned down. And Assad said that he does not want certain people back.

When you help somebody on the street who broke down, and you give first aid and medical help and call an ambulance, he has no claim that from now on you have to care for him and service him for the rest of his life. When a stranger knocks on your door and demands to live in one of your rooms from now on, forever, he has no moral or legal basis to demand that, you can and probbaly should give him the boot. When you share your cart with somebody and let hiom drive with yoiu on the seat besiode you, he does not beome co-owner of your car. He is a guest only - and you have all right there is to expect to leave again sooner or later.

Giving exotic strangers all for nothing all citizen rights and material benefits and allow them in while they have no claim at all for this our land which was made what it is by OUR hands work and that of our forefathers, while these newcomers had nothing to do with it, and if you enforce that upon the native population, you commit a crime against most profound human rights: that of owning private property, also the right to form communities with your likes thjat are not necessarily open to each and everybody. From this right for private property comes the right of a people to own the land it lives on, and worked on and with it. The act of work makes an unclaimed habitat or piece of natrure "your land". But for lefties, this idea that nobody owns anything but everybody owns everybody else, probably holds a strong attraction.

You see the assumed nobleness in the stranger, and you give your own people the boot. Nice guy. But many of these people are neither refugees, nor are they any more noble than we are. In fact, many of them are anything but noble, but are barbarian, primitive, are infested with racist ideas due to their socialisation, and hostility towards women, Jews, Christians, homosexuals, and they despise and always will despise the values that our own - ours, not theirs! - culture here in the west were build on. Many of them do not come to contribute, to fit in, to integrate, but come with the intention to explicitly abuse our studpity, and to reject any integration effort by themselves, while seeing us as prey, and expecting us to integrate to them.

Oh you lefties. You financially live by the national conception of our wellfare states that you try to deconstruct so mercilessly, and want the pearls that allow you your luxurious living to be thrown before the swines instead. The darkest dirthole on the dark side of the moon is more precious and noble in your eyes, than your own people and home nation, and not one evil in the world for which you do not declare the white man to be responsible for. Its all our fault. Always. Forever.

Boring I am, you say? Your really have no idea how boring you underhanded lefties have become for sure meanwhile, eh?

No wonder that so-called populists, may they be real populists or just claimed ones, get voted everywhere around. They are YOUR creation, dear lefties. Because they promise to be the only chance to ever get rid of YOU. I think you have nothing learned from the past couple of years. Socialism is not the solution: beside monopolism, its one of the two root deseases.

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And here I offer you once again a deal, a thought experiment that I offered you before already, months ago:

You gave no reply back then. Here is my deal: I am ready to accept as many migrants into germany as there are self-sustaining, German/native households that:

1. completely voluntarily accept to house one migrant per household;

2. that finance themselves completely and are sel.fsustaining, and do not live on state wellfare and would not fall into wellfare if they take one migrant;
3. and that sign an affidavit of support (= rechtlich bindende Bürgschaft) and accept to be held fully responsible for any failures, costs, crimes committed, problems, arising from the migrant they house. The household owners will be held fully responsible for all costs and legal troubles and follow-on consequences. Thats what a "Vollbürgschaft" is about.

Would you accept this? Would you respect the human rights of the Germans and their freedom, and the principle of voluntary solidarity that can but must not be given by the individual household owner who fulfills the three conditions above?

Or would you insist that the state must enforce what people do not want, and must lorry in many more foreigners than the Germans want to house and come up for, just so that you can see your moral worldviews being pushed through, no matter what?

I am a frustrated but still: reasonable man, and my offer is free of any imperialism, paternalism, it respects the rights and the freedoms of the Germans and leaves the chance that migrants - although in finite numbers, can come in, maybe even still in greater numbers than I like. Still you could have this deal with me, easily. Different to you, I respect the individual decision making of the individual person, I only insist that his or her decisions must not be paid for by anyone else than himself, and that he does not cherry-pick or leaves the bills and the responsibility to others who must come up for it. Just those three conditions must be met: and I do not even demand that Muslim migrants, that by definition of what Islam is MUST be against our values, should be excluded. I do not even discriminate between mirgants and refugees. I am willing to let in one migrant per household that fulfills the above three conditions. I only demand that those who arrived since Merkel violated the border in 2015, get calculated into the formula.

I think we both know that this offer, under these conditions that ground on the principles of liberalism (in the European understanding of the term, not the American), the cultural tradition of humanism, and the profound human rights of freedom and owning private property (you see, Germans also have human rights, not just the foreigners coming...) , would not be good enough for you. You would want to enforce much much more, and if this is done by using force against the german people, or the European peoples, by abusing the state's so-called monopole of power, so be it. Tyranny and abuse and manipulation is absolutely okay if it serves the left's worldview. And since the white man is always guilty of anything anyway, and any historically grown feeling of culture and identity that discriminates us from others must be destroyed anyhow, this serves us just right. The left calls this bollocks "justice" and "responsibility".

skidman

11-02-18, 01:27 PM

Yes, for lefties like you everybody opposing the expropriation of German wealth and private property, and opposing the politically correct rejecton of Germans having first right over their own land, is a nationalist and xenophobe. An islamophobe and a paranoid. A Nazi and a racist. A mentally derranged and soul-sick nuthead who must be cured. Or burned, socially assassinated and silenced.

Ah, surely enough by "expropriation" you mean the cum-cum, cum-ex, "double-Irish-with-a-Dutch-sandwich", letterbox company schemes designed by high finance cutthroats to exsanguinate our society and not refugees who make demands on a basic right guarantied by our constitution. Well, we agree on that one. The rest sounds a bit harsh, but if the cap fits, wear it.:haha:

Catfish

11-02-18, 02:05 PM

What have humanitarian concerns to do with being a "leftist"?
You give a damn about differences, in your simplistic worldview.

I asked you whether your personal circumstancs are so bad that you really have to suffer right now? Really, do you? Because of the immigrants? Did they take away your private chateau, or your job?

About your questions, though i do not have time nor desire for that, so let me say this in general:

From the people i know there are around 70 percent willing to house, help or promote immigrants, regardless of provenance. They indeed help and keep up for following costs, yes. Though i have not yet seen a a serial killer, rapist or mass murderer among them. They are thankful, modest and would really like to go back when the war in e.g. Syriah stopped.
I am not talking about Turks or Romanians or Polish here, who are almost all here for economical reasons. Often they have jobs that no German would take, voluntarily, from care of the elderly to really hard work.

Those germans helping i mentioned do not get welfare, indeed it is pretty impossible to get it, and let refugees live in your home because you know there are rules.
Do you have a second staircase in case of fire? Is the heating/cooling system guaranteed to work 7/24, are the rooms big enough, ventilation, education, medical assistance within five minutes and so on. Because otherwise you will be denied to let anyone live at your home.

Then the juristic hurdles everywhere, immigrants are not allowed to work for a year here, even if they want and there are enough jobs. They are not allowed to look after jobs or any possibility to not having to sit in one of those wonderful refugee hostels with their luxurious interior decorations. They have to explain why they are here without being able to speak german, so they need a translator. Costs money. Or they have to answer to unreadable juristical documents demanding something of them a german has difficulties to understand; ofetn this is just fraud to drive them out.

And they pay for living there, make no mistake. If someone moves out of a room in a refugee hostel and fugitives are now 3 instead of four in the room, they pay more. There is a whole german industry to enrich itself in this new "industry branch".
Let alone the biggest owner of large estate in germany, Mr. Lindhorst, who makes billions with building refugee hostels and then demanding rent, from the refugees or the state. And they are being built by polish people, b.t.w.

You would be astonished how much germans would indeed help real fugitives in dire need of help against physical harm in their countries, and let them live at their home, and support them.
Every german has his right not to do that, no state nor Merkel enforces him to let fugitives or anyone live in their homes. This is a voluntary, individual decision, but a lot of people indeed help.

I can only judge how it is here in Hannover and outskirts, i guess thing are a bit different in Schwerin, or Mecklenburg-Vorpommern generally, yes. So are a lot of people there just xenophobic right-wing Nazis (i'd say yes, already from 1989), and is there being so the result of immigrants alone?

And i have no problem with driving out criminal immigrants, i just beg to differ how much of those indeed are, without condemning them all.
The problem is the war in Syriah, and we all know or at least guess where the roots are. The countries which are really responsible are far away, but it should be those taking most of the refugees.

I see what you mean and again: no problem with getting out economical refugees, racists, criminals. Tests for immigrants being really threatened for dear life should have been more thorough, agreed.
What i do not like is fearmongering from the likes of Farage, ot the AfD.

Skybird

11-02-18, 04:27 PM

70% of all self-sustaining German private households signing in to my proposed deal ...? :har:

I would not even expect 5%. One in twenty standing by his words, at his own costs and financial sacrifice and at his own legal liability already would be more than I would expect.

Dream on. And dread the day when you wake up. Reality denial only works as long as it works. Until it works no more. Then life starts to turn unpleasant in no time.

P.S.
BTW, most households will not be willing to take a migrant and pay for it (instead of having the state, the public, paying for it via taxes) for a simple reason: they cannot afford it. It starts with student households, leads over pensioneers and mothers living alone and raising a child, and ends with low wage jobbers who already struggle to get over the month. Of the households that are better off indeed, families, couples, singles with higher income, most will not stand by their word if not the public pays for their engagement, but they have to finance it all by themselves. When it is about money, the truth about their noble ambitions comes to light very fast. And demands for being humanitarian here, socially responsible there, are cheap words that go off the lips so easy - if it is somebody else having to pay for your agreement. "The state pays for it?" Not with me. The state pays with what he has plundered from the people. The state pays with my taxes. That has to end. And all this ignores the risk everybody taking a migrant has to face when signing an affidavit of support - anmd would be held accountable for any failures, costs his guest causes, crimes he cimmitts, and costs for deprting them again. We talk about spendings and risks that fast like nothing rehc deep into the five digit range, and higher if things go wrong. A well-situated family father will think twice before risking his family'S wellbeing for nothing but a social lottery that promises to never pay out any wins, but holds only risks.

Bleiente

11-02-18, 04:35 PM

Extremely well spoken @Catfish! :up:

:salute:

Rockstar

11-02-18, 08:53 PM

"The countries which are really responsible are far away, but it should be those taking most of the refugees." Oh Germany is just as 'really' responsible as the rest of us. Unfortunately for you refugees can simply walk to Germany whereas they have to Chunnel or fly anywhere else and that costs money. Also too we dont suffer from German guilt. This makes border control easy for us.

Germany delivered nearly 13 million euros in weapons to Syria between 2002 and 2013 - mainly tanks, chemical agents and small arms. In 2014, Germany also delivered 8,000 Heckler & Koch G36 and G3 assault rifles to Peshmerga fighters in Syria. "And now we're surprised that these weapons get used," Grässlin said. "And the people flee the use of these weapons and the dictators, and they end up, absurdly enough, in the country where the weapons were made that were used to repress their people. That's why I say: If you sow war weapons, you reap war refugees."

Skybird

11-03-18, 07:46 AM

I say since long time that military goods and weapons should be banned from being traded around like just any ordinary trading good. All weapon producers shoukd comply with that (but of course never will).

The SIPRI yearbook 2016 gives these shares of global arms trade:

USA 33%
Russia 25%
China 5.9%
France 5%
Germany 4.7%

The biggest importer gets listed as India with 13%. All Asia without China, and the ME and namely Saudi Arabia, are big importers as well.

At best we should trade military stuff only amongst NATO members, excluding Turkey.

Jimbuna

11-03-18, 07:57 AM

I wonder where the UK rank? :hmmm:

Skybird

11-03-18, 08:24 AM

I wonder where the UK rank? :hmmm:
I think 6th or 7th. But that is just a rolling echo from inside my head. The numbers also may have changed in the past 2-3 years. Weapons boom (forgive the wordplay). I think last year saw the steepest climb in trade since end of the cold war.

Meanwhile, Germany. Moody says Germany is ill-armoured for the coming recession - which may already have begun. The massive export-orientation and the high rate of social transfers get mentioned as arguments. Well - don't I preach right these two tings since years? A nation that depends so strongly on exporting, is no strong economic actor, but a very vunerable one. But the past coaltions, in tueir attempt to bribe voters, have focussed on spending frenzies and raised longterm liabilities that raise the hidden, the implicit debt massively - haven'T I preached this since years as well?

I think we are standing now at the top of the cliff, and of way, peak mountain. And from this winter on we will go into a deeper and deeper dive. If the paper money crisis explodes right in these years ahead of us, then help us God. Though I must admit that beside beign affected from the fallout as well, I nevertheless would allow me the satisfaction of a grim laughter as well.

The recent bank stress test of the ECB saw German and British banks being the weakest members in the chain. German banks - a risk for the Eurozone. Think of it.

It was reported already in past weeks over here thsat first quarter saw an unexpected huge fall of expected growth rate. Another hint for that we are at tipping point.

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Enjoy the ride, Germany. From this winter on I think there is just one direction: down.

Jimbuna

11-03-18, 08:42 AM

^ I'd have thought the Greek and Italian banks would be in a far more precarious position.

Skybird

11-03-18, 12:19 PM

^ I'd have thought the Greek and Italian banks would be in a far more precarious position.
Me too, but the German problems are the Deutsche Bank and especially the socalled Landesbanken, which usually are heavily interferred with by clueless or retired politicians making decisions without having the competence to evaluate risks, or mistaking their political ideological goals with business reason. The german Landesbanken should be shut down, imo. They are a major threat to the common interest. Some of them already spelled desaster ten years ago.

Since then, our beloved leader and stealth duck Angela Merkel made sure that Germany mounted even greater risks for the finance mismanagement in other countries. Our soul for the EU. Our last penny for the Euro. Dying we must anyway, so why not for a good cause - or the most tempting of illusions. :doh:

Jimbuna

11-04-18, 07:57 AM

If matters are really as bad as you say I can't fathom out how or why the German people are allowing themselves to be treated like sheep.

Skybird

11-04-18, 08:14 AM

Broken soul from WWII, destroyed national pride, and human laziness. The expectation that the state will care for just everything.

But then, are other people in Europe less stupid? Not much less, I would say, they only enjoy the advantge of not being burdened with being german, and often not being net payers. And do not underestumate the age factor. Old societies, overaged societies like ours, are less adventurous and expansive and are seeking more for the securing of the elderS' interests, than young societies with an overshoot in young adult males. More than half of the elctirate in german yis not age 50+. The young ones would not have a rela chance to escape the tax regime even if they woudl want it. Many still won't. Dont ask me why. Must be the ideological brainwashing of the past 50 years. Our educaitonal sector is hoeplessly far left leanign since the "68er" years, universities and school pedagogcis were left to far elft leaning "elites". The fodnig beneraiton may be gone, but they used their time in job and office to foster the growing of their follow generation and generation "left 3.0". At the same time, the intellectual quality of the German unvioersities dropped and dropped deeper. While I agree with the German speciality of Humboldt ideals in education and acadmeical studying, and dislike the massive debts students need to accept at universities run by the fiscal regimes in the Anglosaxon universitty tradition, I also see the immense abuse of the German system, the underfunding and the loss if, well, loss of said intekllectual quality, and lack of prgaatic business orientation. If you check international lists with top universities, you hardly find German adresses amongst the top ranks.

Finally, Germany is at the European top of the finance chain, while most countries are net receivers, which gives them more power than net payers. When you "lend" money, the receiver has the power to now blackmail you, threatening that if you do nto give hiom ever more, he will not pay back what you gave him.

The Italians currently practice it in excess, maybe even in a bid to prepare Italy for leaving the Euro. All those unloved Target 2 Saldi - gone. Germany would loose hundreds of billions in demands towards the ECB. Germany accepted Target-2 Spanish banks.

And then there is France... Another positive side effect of Merkel getting wrung down is that Macronman cannot fly anymore (at the expense of German taxpayers). His ideas of turning the EU more socialist than ever before were a big threat to German savers and taxpayers. He wanted his ideas beign paid for by German money, but himself and france getting the shine and glory for it.

Jimbuna

11-04-18, 08:41 AM

As far as I'm aware, Macron is not very popular with the French electorate but I don't see a viable alternative.

Nor do I see France and German ever being in a partnership of total transparency and as equals but I guess that is the way the future Europe is heading.

I'm happy that the UK are leaving the EU (and I'll not add any derogatory terms for that entity) but I also remain hopeful that the initial financial and economic pain that will bring will be short lived and swiftly overcome.

I should imagine certain parties within the EU are dreading that outcome for fear of it encouraging other member states to follow suit.

Skybird

11-04-18, 09:08 AM

I should imagine certain parties within the EU are dreading that outcome for fear of it encouraging other member states to follow suit.
Exactly what I say since all beginning: the precedence of an exit from the EU being successfull and thus showing that there is a life after and withot the EU, must be prevented at all cost. From the EU's point of view. There can - and there should never be - no life without the great EU - this lesson is already being taught at schools these days. Sometimes even by distorting historical facts.

We mock it when we see in some Asian and ME regimes the omnipresence of the big leader in ublic plces, in form of statues, posters, and social and public rites and habits. But in principle the EU has established a similiar kind of leader cult, it just more subtle and psychologically underhanded, to prevent it from being easily recognized.

Jimbuna

11-05-18, 06:43 AM

I look at the top six officials in the EU and what strikes me immediately is the fact they are either from net receiving countries or from political backgrounds from which they have either failed or have been rejected by their own electorates.

Skybird

11-05-18, 07:33 AM

Why does this strike you? Its the logial consequence of the way their predecessors have designed the present EU and Euro.

A recent poll in Germany done by FORSA (biggest polling institute over here) finds that over 60% of Germans may not want Merkel anymore - but want to continue the political course she has established.

Hopeless and confused these Germans are. They are like flees caught in honey. Its sweet, its sticky, and there shall be no escape.

Germans want to lull and dull themselves to non-existence.

STEED

11-05-18, 10:54 AM

Bring on Nigel Farage to help those poor Germans.

BTW: His wife is German. :03:

Jimbuna

11-05-18, 12:38 PM

Skybird

11-10-18, 03:45 PM

Germany vanishes in economic mediocrity, as latest numbers by the World Bank show. We are busy to ever increase social spendings and finajcing the fiscal mismanagerment of othe rnations, that there is no time and effort l3eft for Germa n eficviency and "made in Germany". The most obvious example probbaly are the immensely grown incompetences to realistically plan and realise big projects like airport Berlin BER, Stuttgart 21 rail central station and deep water ports like Wilhelmshaven. But Germany is the countrry with the highest taxes wordwide (togather with Belgium), and electricity costs nowhere in Europe as much as in germany: more than twice the average mean price in the EU. The prognosis for economic growth has once again been reduced for the reapeated time in a row. Germany balances on the brink of a recession, I say. But inflation has grown, and they celebrate it. As if that is a reason to celebrate. Stupid ruthless basterds, they should get struck by streaks of lightning.

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And the trend points downwards.

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The SPD today mentioned her latest plan for the party's suicide: they want to form new taxes for gasoline and heating oil. The 5% hurdle is in range for the SPD. Of course it then will be the guilt of "the rich" and the AfD.

The Greens are on their way to number two in the German party structure. By current trend, they could even become number one in the mid-ranged future, I think.

In the CDU, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer indeed leads the race for party chair. She is far left-leaning but hides it with as one would call it nowadays some populist consevative opportunistic slogans. If you think things will get better with Merkel going out, you better think twice. Like Merkel, her biography shows a certain nearness to protestant clergy. Dear God please save us. These morally superior world-improvers are ruining us - and always are full of themselves while succeeding in that, replacing laws and reason with sentimental emotion. Or as Neal has put it some days ago: from accountability to empathy.

STEED

11-13-18, 03:23 PM

Merkel applauded and booed after calling for 'real, true' European army

https://news.sky.com/video/merkel-calls-for-european-army-in-strasbourg-speech-11553467

Is she trying it on?

Catfish

11-13-18, 04:06 PM

There are chances and risks.

On one hand the balance of power before depended on the american promise to use nuclear weapons if Russia tries to invade Europe. When this happend, the threat of worldwide nuclear death was on the table.
On the other hand since Trump this promise and also the transatlanic partnership is broken.
Then China comes into play, most of the US economy depends on China not pulling the plug. Trumponomics are building on borrowed time, and all the debt has to be paid, some day. The alternative is war.

All we can read and see shows us that Putin is convinced to win a regional war with "small" nuclear arms and conventional means, without the fear of the US intervening. "Thumbs up, Mr Trump!"
Other western(!) right wing nationalists try to destroy the EU and pull back from the NATO.

So it is in the best of Europe's interest and future to build up its own military. And this of course incorporates the building of own nuclear arms, not only for France or England. Question is whether the EU can be fast enough.

Skybird

11-13-18, 05:13 PM

https://news.sky.com/video/merkel-calls-for-european-army-in-strasbourg-speech-11553467

Is she trying it on?
Its all stupid propaganda babble. I do not see that the EU takes it serious. There are European combat brigades alöready but their combat strength is such that their value is in very serious doubt. Paper tigers. The German contributions to these are as underfunded and underequipped as in the whole Bundeswehr.

With such underfunding by many nations already regardign NATO committments, it makes no sense to raise parrallel structures. Or does it make sense to assume that their additional founding costs and then costs needed to have these new structures not beign undefunded as well, is a reaosnable expectation while the NATO commitments are underfunded? It makes no sense.

What Merkel wants, and barrack barbie von der Leyen as well (while on the surface saying the opposite of Merkel), is that other nations should contribute to the needs of German defence, whith Germany not doing so, at least not en par. What they want to conceal is the shortage management system of the BW, the limitations in material as well as in personnel -without calling this by its name. This was introduced already by von Guttenberg, who - so to speak - thought that one rifle could be used by several soldiers: handing it around always to the one who currently needs it. Saves the money for buying one rifle per sodlier. Its a fictional example by me, just to illustrate the core of the problem more easily (although there is indeed a shortage in new personal support weapons of logistic and medical units who would not carry assault rifles, but small MPs for self defence like the H&K MP7). This is called by various terms that conceal the deficit here: intelligent managmenet, or flexible ressource management, or modular equipment supply, or on-demand-supply. It all weasels around the fact of "too less", "too few", "not enough", "not sufficient".

German media went into hysteria mode again when reporting that the Donald was offended by Macronman demanding a European army. What the Donald in fact has said is that he finds it offending that Macronman said this European army should be able to defend against Russia, China and the US. So not the mere existence of such an army was offensive to Trump, but to have the US listed as a possible opponent, implying the US were an enemy of Europe. Now this can be discussed indeed, especially since Trump took office - but to just correctly report the facts of what was said in words indeed, already was - once again - too much asked for of our German high quality media. Suggestive headlines using some shortcutting was so much easier to trigger the wanted emotional reaction.

Germany is slowly shifting into a recession. Italy and its banks challenge the EU and Euro. Brexit. Migration. Does anyone think they would heavily invest into a European army right now? Its a distraction. And our debts have climbed already to higher levels than in 2007, and inflation is raising.

Also, a single EU army would have over two diozen commanders, so to speak. Say good night to swift responses and even decision making in case of reactions needed to seriosu challenges. A nightmare. As the saiyng goes: too many chefs spoil the brew.

Jimbuna

11-14-18, 07:38 AM

Catfish

11-14-18, 08:05 AM

So who pays for it, definitely not the likes of Malta :)

:haha: probably not
"Seriously" (lol), with the the UK out of the EU.. and Malta belongs to the UK..
They are still committed to NATO though, but who knows with the likes of Farage or Bannon trying to undermine all.

Maybe.. Montenegro :D

Jimbuna

11-14-18, 08:53 AM

Or the mighty Luxembourg even :03:

Skybird

11-14-18, 10:30 AM

European nations should simply boost their natioanl defence commitments - and by that, NATO. Without such boosting, any babbling about an Euro army is just this: babbling.

To increase weight in NATO would also allow to insist for having greater word in NATO - against the Americans who dominate its command.

If national defence commitments are not substantial, then it does not matter whether it is NATO being incapable to deal with a war, or an Euro army beign incapable to deal with a war. What is not there, is not there.

Jimbuna

11-15-18, 07:06 AM

Skybird

11-16-18, 06:18 PM

It seems the opening of the hilarious airport BER at Berlin gets delayed once again, scheduled currently for October 2020, hints are mounting that this date once again cannot be kept.

The latest episode of "Made in Germany", revisioned edition 2000. :dead: Weren't the Germans once known, even feared for their planning and management mastery?

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesspiegel.de%2Fberlin%2Fflu ghafen-wird-die-ber-eroeffnung-schon-wieder-verschoben%2F23647938.html&edit-text=

STEED

11-16-18, 07:14 PM

Carry on Airport the new slap stick movie with a German twist. :03:

Skybird

11-17-18, 10:37 AM

The Monsters in the Swamp - better title I think.

Skybird

12-02-18, 07:01 AM

https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/079472-004-A/re-leben-unter-polizeischutz/

I put this in here. Only few people will watch this, it is a 30 minutes film in German about Hamed Abdel-Samad's life that he lives 24 hours a day under police protection by a special squad of the LKA. Since several years he is threatened due to a fatwa calling for his assassination, becasue he has informed the German oublic too much about Islam's real ideology. The film is an illustration of the cost for the widening gap between the common misled percpetions about Islam, and the harsh reality it brings in its wake.

I post this because I mentioned him repeatedly over the years, in various discussions. He pays a very high price, cannot even afford to have a flat, but moves from one overnight accomodation to the next. His wife and him cannot see ech other frequently. His family in Egypt is massively mobbed. - The German quality journalists and the young students att heir academny, thus useless leftist crap, have only one thing to say on Abdel-Samad: that he should be barred from any media presence and no interviews should be held with him at all. Facebook deleted hos account for severla days after he published a speech he had held at a confernece for it did not match the anti.hate-speech regulation and instead described Islamic dictrine as what it is. That now is unforgivable in Germany. Appeasing, lying , glossing over Islam - thats the way to do it, you see. He said he is not physically free to lead the life he wants it to be, but he has found the freedom of mind and thought that soothes his soul and keeps him carrying on.

Some days ago, there was a "controversy" raised. The interior ministry, in another naive bid for wanting to civilize Islam in the Western law-and-order state, once again invited for a big "Islam" conference wehre polticians meet mostly with the recognised speakers of the radical Muslim organisations in Germany, icndlung Turkish state-run organisations of nationalists and Erdoghanistas. In the break there was a buffet and amongst other dishes, mostly hallal, also some dishes non conformal to the Islamic food rules were served, namely blood sausage. Scandal! Discrimination! It was obviously taken for granted that in such a mixed conference not only Muslims but all Non-Muslims as well must compy with the Islamic food rules and that even demanding a Muslim seeing a Non-Muslim watching doing somethign that is not "Islamic", already is a discrimination, an affront, an offence.

Sign of the times. One amongst so very many. In two generations, things of beauty and art will all be forbidden and banned, since all man is obliged to spend all time with praising Allah instead. The modern arts all too often may not be a loss, but considering the treasury of past arts Europe still calls its own: its all just heart-breaking. First goes the freedom, then goes beauty and arts.

Skybird

12-05-18, 07:39 AM

Different to often heard claims, the raise in e-cars will cause Germany over the next one and a half decade a net-loss of over 100 thousand jobs, from simple to most specialised jobs. And that is the most friendly scenario assuming cars by then will have just a 23% share of electrically driven.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de%3Fsl%3Dde&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fwirtschaft%2Funter nehmen%2Fdeutschland-e-autos-kosten-bis-2035-mehr-als-100-000-jobs-iab-studie-a-1241919.html&sl=de

For the missing graphs, go here:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/deutschland-e-autos-kosten-bis-2035-mehr-als-100-000-jobs-iab-studie-a-1241919.html

Problem is that German car akers so far show now ambition to take control of battery production themselves. IMO a monumental strategic mistake. Once again.

I still cannot see that ecars will compete with the Diesel over the long distance, however. Not in 10 and not in 20 years, and even beyond that I would say it is unlikely. Such batteries simply are not in sight, and the laws of physics can be explored, but not broken.

The new Audi etron weighs 2.5 tons, I read. :o

Myself, I am a modest man: I just hope for bicycle batteries seeing a massive boost in their longevity (very important), max capacity (relevant) and sensitivity to cold temperatures (secondary).

Catfish

12-05-18, 07:58 AM

^
It is not only that. "E-mobility" just shifts the pollution to the power plants, and you have so much line loss until the energy is in the battery that the whole thing is complete bull, energy-wise, and environmentally.
Add rare earths and energy bilances to the life cycle of E-cars and batteries, and you have the #1 environment swine.

This is all BULL.

Good idea would be exploring the possibilities of storing hydrogen gas, or research fuel cells that generate just enough hydrogenium you just need. We would be able to still use our hundred-year-old (lmao) piston-based engines only with slight changes to the fuel lines, and tanks. Theer's only warm water vapour coming out of the exhaust of a hydrogenium-powered engine. No catalyst converter necessary, nothing.
Oh i forgot, the oil lobbies will not be happy.
Sorry, then back to pollution as if there was no tomorrow.

At least i read today that Germany is definitely stopping all weapon deliveries to Saudi-Arabia for an undefined time. Good.

Skybird

12-07-18, 11:22 AM

The reincarnation of Merkel, Merkel 2.0, has been elected as the new old Boss-Mom of the CDU.

AKK, short for Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, is far left leaning, anti-conservative, pro migration, pro EU, pro Euro, pro environmentalism, slightly critical to gay-lesbian-special privileges, pro feminist, and with her no fundamental changes of Merkel's course of deconstructing the remains of the former identity of the CDU must be expected. She will make some minor cosmetic concessions maybe to appease her critics and strengthen her stand, but nothing that threatens her principally left understanding of policy management.

Of all three bad choices there have been, this is the worst and the one I feared - and expected. Plus I am even more antipathic to this woman's style, appearance and behavioural style, than I already was to Merkel.

She is also Merkel's pet creation. That Merkel wanted her and noone else, already is reason enough to be alarmed of her. The supportive personnel apparatus that had been build around Merkel, has saved its career outlooks.

She is also likely to become the next chancellor candidate now.

Don't be unthankful for the bad you have - it can always get worse. Proven once again today.

Verdammte protestantische Weiberwirtschaft.

Jimbuna

12-07-18, 11:27 AM

So Merkel got her choice in the end :hmmm:

mapuc

12-07-18, 12:03 PM

The first word who came into my mind after having read Skybirds lastest comment was:

Clone

Markus

Skybird

12-07-18, 12:30 PM

Brilliant summary, mapuc. :up: You are right. The differences between Merkel and AKK are minor, els eMerkel would not have choosen her. Its more of the same we had in the past 14 years.

skidman

12-07-18, 07:29 PM

Verdammte protestantische Weiberwirtschaft.

Well, she's roman-catholic. You are engaging in window dressing. Again.

Skybird

12-08-18, 09:01 AM

Yes, but I talked about Merkel. After all, AKK is Merkel's girl.

Skybird

12-08-18, 10:44 AM

The anger and frustration in the CDU is growing, the events have not closed the rows, but widened gapsm it became even worse after AKK'S choosen general secretary Ziemiack was voted too, but with a meager not even two thirds of all votes. Various media indicate that its possible that the party will split up, Christian-Conservatives leaving what essentially now is a identityless, culture-free, far left-leaning EU party that opporetunbistically chooses to be the feature-free to-go-to-club for just everybody from all over the continent and world.

Or as I call it: it chooses to be the colour olive green. You know, this olive green that you always get when mixing all colours in the painter's shop together and stirr long enough: its always this certain kind of brownish olive green that is the end result.

I am not convinced the oarty will split, but it could happen, yes. I would estimate that up to one third then could leave and find home in a new conservative party founded by them. It would be the logical finish to Merkels abuse of the CDU over the past 19 years. Under her reign, the CDU got systemtically eroded of all its traditional values and biographic fundaments, as if she saw it as her mission to completely shatter and destroy it. What could more the crowning of her ambition if not the party breaking apart due to her last decision as the party's leader?

Mission accomplished, objective destroyed. Erich turns in his grave, giggling and applauding.

Edit:
P.S. Of the 1001 delegates, just 517 voted for AKK, and still 482 for her rival, Friedrich Merz. A united party looks different. Almost a 50:50 division.

Skybird

12-10-18, 03:26 PM

Synchronicity in action:

the end of switching clocks twice per year was voted for by a - by its preset rules: legal - referendum. Junckers immediatey said that they will do it "immediately", in 2019. Then it was said 2020. Then concerns rose and they said 2021. Last I heared: not before 2022. And when a few days ago I read: 2022 not likely, i knew that it never is going to happen.

Catfish

12-10-18, 03:35 PM

Last time you complained that Juncker wanted to change DST without having the majority to do it :hmmm:

And b.t.w. isn't it good that this jerk Merz was not elected? Bad enough he got so much votes. Maybe they should have nominated Roland Koch? People forget quickly.

Skybird

12-10-18, 03:48 PM

Oooops, wrong thread, I wanted to reply to Jim in the UK thread with the switching clocks.

BTW, I cannot remember I complained about clocks being left alone, possibly. I hate these constant switches, I always need 7-10 days to adapt. I may have mentioned the referendum numbers, but cannot have complained, sicne by the preset rules the outcome is "legal". Majority said they want the clock switching stopped. Period. Those who care for switchign clocks, should have oted and then get a majority. Its like withhe Brexit referendum, when many people were shocked by thenoutcome but did not care to go voting against Brexit. If you have a voting, the outocme must be binding, els eit makes no sense. A maoreity of voters decided for brexit, and a majority of voters voted for stopping the clocks madness. Cases closed.

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AKK is not less a joke than Merz is. More Merkel in the coming years. To hell with all them. My joy lies in that with aKJK rhe CDU will join the fate of the SPD, and continue to deconstruct itself, also, "populist movements" will grow stronger due to the CDU. Good entertainment is secured, therefore, and the big bang at the end probably as well.

https://s15.directupload.net/images/181210/cr6cprde.png (https://www.directupload.net)

Etatism and authoritarianism is the parole of these days. Paternalistically nudging people into socialist obedience, plundering the fruits of labour by blackmailing protection money at insane levels.. Deconstructing traditional identity and values of the West, especially Germany.

Merkel has signed the mirgaiton pact. Of cours eit means nothing, they all say. All the people now encouraged to move to germany becasue they are beign told they have a right to do so will of cours ebe send back and will go back when they are here and then getb told they cannot stay. No church asylums, no NGOs lobbying for mass migration, no migrant protection grass root movements... What a relief.

Merkel's habitus and gesture already was bad. AKK's is far, far worse. And her bilance in the Saarland is a desaster, if only one cares to look at the numbers. A desaster.

Skybird

12-14-18, 06:38 AM

The Islamisation of Germany and the whole West: at least a temporary feel-good moment when reading somebody knowing both worlds and speaking straight and clear and with competence about them.

Laila Mirzo was born in Damascus in 1978 as the daughter of a German and a Syrian Kurd and grew up in a liberal home on the Golan Heights. There she had five years of teaching Koran at school before moving to Germany in 1989. Since 2002 she lives in Austria and converted to Catholicism. Today she works as a trainer for intercultural competence. "Only a bad Muslim is a good Muslim. (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.m-vg.de/riva/shop/article/14862-nur-ein-schlechter-muslim-ist-ein-guter-muslim/&xid=17259,15700021,15700124,15700149,15700186,1570 0190,15700201,15700237,15700242&usg=ALkJrhj7dYco1pVfIVrLnuVNpihnK7Qz_g) On the incompatibility of Islam with our culture (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.m-vg.de/riva/shop/article/14862-nur-ein-schlechter-muslim-ist-ein-guter-muslim/&xid=17259,15700021,15700124,15700149,15700186,1570 0190,15700201,15700237,15700242&usg=ALkJrhj7dYco1pVfIVrLnuVNpihnK7Qz_g)", is her first book and just published in Riva -Verlag.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fterror_ ist_die_botschaft

Ulrike Stockmann: Ms. Mirzo, you have written a very interesting book with a very provocative title. Please explain briefly what the slogan „Only a bad Muslim is a good Muslim“ is all about.
Laila Mirzo: A Muslim who does not strictly adhere to the scriptures, has emancipated himself from Sharia and jihad is, in the eyes of the Islamic hardliners, a „bad“ Muslim. For us as an enlightened and liberal society, he is a „good“ Muslim, because he can be part of the community of values with his critical attitude to Islam. Aint I preaching this since years and years?

They both know life in a Muslim state and in Central European countries. Above all, within the German-speaking Islam debate, you are one of the few insiders who, with well-founded knowledge and personal experience, publicly participate in the discussions. As a connoisseur of both worlds, what do you say about how the West deals with Islam?

Considering how Islam has spread throughout its history, with violence and reprisals against people of other faiths, Europe is making a big mistake with its appeasement policy. As soon as majorities have changed in favor of the Muslim population, the fundamental statutes of our society will be attacked. We only have to take a look at the Islamic countries. Using the example of Turkey, one can observe in time-lapse how a formerly secular country is being converted into an Islamic state. Those who downplay Islam and its agenda make themselves the accomplices of a fascist ideology that divides people into classes, is homophobic and anti-Semitic.

They write that there is „no Islam conforming to the constitution (...) no Islam light, but the Koran simply does not offer any scope for that.“ Does that mean that all Muslims who literally take the Koran can not live constitutionally?

Those who take the Koran literally and the instructions in the hadiths, can not live a constitutional life. Because the scriptures dictate jihad. Whether jihad is conducted spiritually or by force of arms is up to the decision of every Muslim. The result, however, must be in every case: installation of Sharia law and proclamation of the Islamic state of God.

For a while one likes to talk about "political Islam", which is aggressive but has nothing to do with actual Islam. Do you think this distinction makes sense?

This distinction is misleading because Islam is always political. There is no apolitical Islam. But what is there are apolitical Muslims. People who decide for themselves how much Islam they want to live. The Koran explicitly requires the persecution and killing of people of other faiths if they do not want to convert to Islam. So terror is not a perversion or misinterpretation of the verses, but the message of Islam to its opponents.

They write that there are also internal Islamic demands for a reform. Which circles are they and what is their share within the European Islamic communities?

Unfortunately, this is just a fringe group that, while focusing on the media, is supposed to convey a representative voice, it is rarely heard or taken seriously in Muslim society. The circle of reformers is unfortunately very small, because who critically deals with Islam, then usually leaves Islam. It is almost impossible for a educated and enlightened person to find a home in Islam. Because even if you break away from the elements of violence, there is still the figure of Muhammad. The Islamic prophet is an inviolable leader, his actions are infallible and worthy of imitation. But Mohammed is responsible for the massacre of a Jewish tribe and has himself led innumerable wars of aggression and raids. He killed men and boys and enslaved women. Can you seriously follow someone like that today?
(...)
Good to listen to a sane mind. Bad to see the outlook on how it all will end.

(...)
In the meantime, you have withdrawn from the Muslim community and converted to Catholicism. May I ask how this happened?

I was probably this "bad" Muslim, who had emancipated himself from the backward content, of my Islamic faith only begat the income tax card. But I started as a parish clerk at a Catholic pastor, and there it was part of the requirements to be a Christian. The pastor and I have had a special friendship since the death of my too early born son. So he came to meet me at my baptism, as he added to the question, "Do you believe in the Catholic Church?", "With all their mistakes?"

Today I am a believer, but not religious. God and I maintain a hierarchical relationship. My God is not vengeful, and his ego does not need constant confirmation. I do not blame him for everything. I'm also grateful for small things, I think he likes that (laughs).And humour - I like this woman!

Jimbuna

12-19-18, 07:57 AM

@Sky....this article dates back to May but has the situation changed since then?

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/germanys-typhoon-problem-only-four-fighters-can-be-made-combat-ready/

Skybird

12-20-18, 09:55 AM

^ As far as I can take from the media, its nothing new, nor has it substantially changed. That only fractions of the armed forces can be activated for battle-readiness within reasonable amounts of time, is being reported since years: tanks, IFVs, fighters, transports, submarines, helicopters. I quoted that often enough in the past two years or so.

That Germany is in no way capable currently to fulfill its NATO obligations, also is no new news at all. The Generalinspekteur der Bundeswehr, but also external experts, have warned of the pitiful state of the armed forces since long time. So, it has been quite high.ranking insiders who have made comments that Germany cannot fulfill its NATO obligations.

The drama with the German Eurofighters lasts since the first was delivered. And until today they still have not their planned full armament, AFAIK.

So sleep well and rest assured: even after Brexit and no matter how outraging we find that, you must not be afraid of us. Nobody must be.

Jimbuna

12-20-18, 10:51 AM

So sleep well and rest assured: even after Brexit and no matter how outraging we find that, you must not be afraid of us. Nobody must be.

:)

:03:

Catfish

12-20-18, 11:09 AM

Skybird's always so positive :03:

It is not as bad, but still bad enough. Only jets with a certain weapon loadout are down to four units as far as i read, but the overall situation "could be better", of course. :03:
Next, the Gorch **** scandal.. :rolleyes:

edit: lol "Gorch F o c k" is the real name of the training ship. Only because some bloody foreigners have another word and pronounciation for a certain mammal behaviour :hmph:

Bleiente

12-22-18, 03:13 PM

Auf den Punkt gebracht... :yep:
https://gloria.tv/video/PVLNVWEDTLep3hGfYH3u1Q3sz

:Kaleun_Applaud:

Skybird

12-23-18, 03:47 PM

A lawyer in Berlin is bringing to court the case of girls not being allowed to sing in - boys choires. Discrimination against article 3 of the German Basic law, she argues.

Manchmal steht mir dieser ganze Scheiß sowas von bis oben. Zerstörerisches Dreckspack, verfluchtes. Now the next beautiful thing gets slaughtered. Suicide by intellectual onanism until death.

BTW, young girls' and young boys' voices can be differentiated, if only you care to listen to their singing closely enough. Their voices are NOT the same. And no, you do not need to be a musician or a sound engineering expert to hear it. Any layman caring for it, and with an interest, can hear it.

I just wait for some ultrafeminist brain-vacuum suing society for men not needing to suffer the pain of giving birth to babies. Maybe men should regularly being tortured, to achieve gender equality there?

ikalugin

12-23-18, 04:01 PM

The irony is that femenists create events and organisations that exclude men.

Jimbuna

12-24-18, 09:46 AM

I just wait for some ultrafeminist brain-vacuum suing society for men not needing to suffer the pain of giving birth to babies. Maybe men should regularly being tortured, to achieve gender equality there?

Okay then, you first :)

Jimbuna

01-01-19, 07:23 AM

Not everybodys cup of tea I suppose but certainly that of the German politicians.

Intersex people in Germany can now legally identify themselves as a third gender, under a new law adopted in December.

People who do not fit the biological definition of male or female can now choose the category "diverse" on official documents.

Those choosing the option will need a doctor's certificate to register.

Intersex people are born with both male and female sex characteristics, which can appear at birth or later in life.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46727611

STEED

01-04-19, 07:04 AM

Oh boy I wonder if old Sky is rubbing his hands. :hmmm:

German politicians targeted in 'mass hack attack'

Hundreds of German politicians including Chancellor Angela Merkel have had personal details hacked and published online, reports say.

Contacts, private chats and financial details were put out on Twitter which belong to figures from every political party except the far-right AfD.

Skybird

01-05-19, 08:48 AM

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/der-spiegel-claas-relotius.php

When fact gets overruled by fiction. A nice story that not only tells its point, but also illustrates the general mod of German mental state.

Der Spiegel should have the world's biggest fact-checking department in business, it is claimed:

https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/inside_the_worlds_largest_fact.php

I have a very two-folded attitude towards Der Spiegel. They often seem to have the facts right - but then give them an interpretational twist and bias by not differentiating between fact report and opinion piece, and also by meddling the news telling with emotional arousal and sentimental outrage. Entertainment - and wanted politicial correctness, especially in its left-leaning interpretation - trump sober documentation. And that is the death sentence for serious journalism.

The main intention of the liar seem to have been to "reveal" the rawness of America:

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Fpolitik%2F ausland%2Fclaas-relotius-unwahrheiten-ueber-das-amerikanische-leben-15973571.html%3FprintPagedArticle%3Dtrue%23pageInd ex_0%26service%3DprintPreview

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I do not pay for web newspapers, and I never will, like I never buy paper newspapers. Serious journalism is a dying thing, and I am already pissed that I must pay for the political parties' propaganda platforms ARD and ZDF even if I do not consume them. The Federal Constitutional cynically so-called "Court" recently has ruled that the fact that these broadcasters live by enforced taxes that are not called taxes is what allows them to meet the competition . That they get this money anyway and no matter their low quality but high pensions schemes, is the main reason why both ARD and ZDF as a matter of fact can avoid market competition, the jesters court has deliberately denied, claiming exactly the roppposite. This can only be explained by a deep-rooting socialist attitude grown in German m,entlaity - and the fact that repeatedly judges and high ranking directors at b oth TV stations were coming from same families so that no two crows hack each others eyes - or damage each other' interests.

Skybird

01-06-19, 06:54 AM

^

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/anti-americanism-drove-der-spiegel-fabrications/579307/

The payback! :D http://www.startribune.com/lileks-insult-fergus-falls-take-that-german-magazine/503869482/

Skybird

01-16-19, 10:32 AM

A rude year - and more rude years after that - lie ahead of Germany and all of us.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Ffinanzen%2Fboerse%2 Faktien%2Fgastbeitrag-von-marc-friedrich-und-matthias-weik-boersenexperten-prophezeien-2019-ist-das-jahr-in-dem-die-welt-verrueckt-spielt_id_10191834.html

The "blocking minority rule" in the Council of Ministers will be considerably more expensive. With the abandonment of the UK, the balance within the EU is irretrievably disturbed, and the southern Europeans then have the majority in the European Council and can consequently overrule the Northern Europeans. Everyone can imagine what's coming up to us and who can pay the bill. We assume considerable additional costs for Germany in the future.

STEED

01-17-19, 07:16 AM

Sky..There has been news story's saying Germany is in or heading into recession what's the info from you?

Jimbuna

01-17-19, 08:09 AM

Fake news.

Catfish

01-17-19, 08:49 AM

You hope.
(I mean Steed) :D

What is true is that growth is a bit less than last year, with only 1,5 percent. (However one defines "groth", and who actually did the statistics)
With the UK getting out of the EU a recession here would not come as a surprise, of course.

Skybird

01-17-19, 08:50 AM

Sky..There has been news story's saying Germany is in or heading into recession what's the info from you?
Seems to be so. Since many months economical indices are darkening. Media "experts" usually say or write that the boom is over and we are currently facing the tipping point.

Also, minding you, cars are incredibly important for Germany, while digital modernization and communicaiton is somehtign where Germany is not even of avergae standard, but is almst a development country. At the same time, the war on cars has been declared. Like so many other most essential and vitla things get intentionally destroyd and boruight down, Germany now works on deindustrilaising itself, namely car industry and energy. No other country has such a high quota of workers employed in it slow wage sector (over one quarter - even in the times of booming the low wage sector has fastly grown). Our infrastructure is crumbling, our railroad since so long time has been run in attrition mode that the problems now are so monumental that it is in doubt that they could ever be resolved anymore.

The economic powerhouse of Germany under Merkel has been systemtically abused and maitained in conumation mode. No reserves have been build, and the facade of success was held up at the cost of the employees and workers - thoes eemployees and workers that now are hreatened to pay even more taxes to finance the immense deficits thet mismanagement of the past has caused.

Most business and branches and companies are bearish since late spring last year over here. The developmnent for the worse is slow, but notorious and constant. Yes, most likely we slide into recession.

In the end, the Germn economy model is stupid to the max. It gives other countries a lot of money more or less for free - so that these countries with that money should buy German products. We do not produce for net profits that way. We deceive ourselves. Germany is no strong economy, i say that since years and years. When an economy is so hopelessly depending on foreign factors and on exports like germany, it is an economy that is extremely weak, depending, and helpless. And such adjectives do not describe a strong economy, but one that is extremely vulnerable. An economy with a high level of autarcy and the reswerves that it could sit out times of emergency and decline - that is a striong economy.

And do not get me started again about the bilbical ammount of finaicoal risks that threaten Germany over its transfers in support of the Euro. The past couple of years alone the German wealth has lost severl hundred billions of Euros. The story that Germany benefits more from the Euro than it must invest into it, is unsupportable. It simply is wrong, a propaganda lie. But it makes the Germana feel as Mr. Nice Guy, and thats why they like it.

Nobody fears the awakening, although everybody has all reason to do so. Instead even more burdens get invited into Germany and onto German shoulders.

Maybe there are geniusses understanding the Germans. I as a alienated German myself - I have given up trying to make sense of them. For me they are just psychic cripples, late distorted victims of two lost world wars. They are doomed to have their future defined by this notorious psychic self-mutilation. In other words: forget Germany, history already scratched it off its list of club members.

Catfish

01-17-19, 09:21 AM

If the sky happens not to fall for us poor
"german cripples, distorted victims of two world wars mutilating our selves while the world forgetting Germany and history scratching it off its list of club members" (courtesy of Skybird) :D
a recession is neither sure, nor has it much to do with what Germany does. Expectancy is still at 1,5 percent growth, and the worldwide trade is taking a hit by Trumponomics anyway.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.handelsblatt.com%2Fpolitik%2Fd eutschland%2Fhri-konjunkturprognose-der-aufschwung-macht-2019-nur-eine-kleine-pause%2F23755412.html%3Fticket%3DST-704051-PRXENDRZ2tD2dgu9aoNK-ap2

Each currency is bound to fall one day, nothing can be done to stop it with so-called capitalist systems. Inflation is only one trigger, and worldwide trade relativating the real value of any material goods is another. But it is nice as long as it works, and for Europe it does since 73 years. Crash ahead? Sure one day, but not anytime soon.

Jimbuna

01-17-19, 10:49 AM

How much if any of this will or can be blamed on Merkel?

Or is it pure coincidence she is soon to be leaving the stage?

Skybird

01-17-19, 12:34 PM

Merkel lived of a reserve that was build before her. She managed growing deficits, but did nothing to fill reserves up, or to add new reloads. She was heaivly committed to pushing EU obligations through. Last but not least to prevent illusions that Germany depends on to collapse early. They will collapse - after Merkel has gone.

The quality of German school education in eroding since two decades at least. Ever growing numbers of student cannot correctly read, write, or do simple math. But universities are battling over written gender speak and gender-* The rsults of this show in all fields and in all branches, more and more. You reap like you sow. And Germany has sowed messy.

We take comfort from listening to ever repeating porpagdna slogans and pltlical ohrases that remind me time and again of the smae langaue that was used on the news broadcasting of the GDR TV, Aktuelle Kamera. Its back on air. The same phrasing, the same use of language. The same empty phrasing, the very vers same phrases. The GDR is not dead. Its live and well, it just changed dresses. Nowhere you can see that clearer than in the poltical perosnnel pool, and the state-run media.

There is nothing new under the sun - except what has been forgotten. Forgetting in this case took less than 30 years.

Bleiente

01-17-19, 01:34 PM

Looking back on history, it would probably have been better that Germany had not been reunited.
At that time, the unique opportunity was lost to completely transform the GDR by means of the peaceful revolution and to shape an alternative way of life and society in a positive sense.
This would have protected "Western Europe" from the rage of Putin.
Putin is responsible for the nationalist and right-wing developments within Europe, is instrumental in the Brexit of GB and kingmaker of this moron Trump.

I can only hope that the current situation will end well for us all, because the farmers are always sacrificed first on the chessboard. :03:

Skybird

01-17-19, 03:57 PM

I can only hope that the current situation will end well for us all, because the farmers are always sacrificed first on the chessboard.

:o

Pawns. Chess only symbolically represents war, it does not really include human sacrifices. :D

:O:

Catfish

01-18-19, 04:58 AM

How much if any of this will or can be blamed on Merkel?
Or is it pure coincidence she is soon to be leaving the stage?

What can be blamed on Merkel? :hmmm:
The recession? I blame worldwide fuss with Trumponomics, and brexit influencing the economical condition. No local political reason here. And national debt in Germany is down to 64 percent, to below 2004 level.
B.t.w. as mentioned before two times, it really does not look like a "recession". There's still economical growth, if a bit less than predicted.

The reason for Merkel leaving as chancellor is more the annoyance between the CDU and CSU's front man Seehofer. Both being initially conservative parties, Merkel's CDU has adopted all the social democratic SPD's points of view and measures to deal with things, upsetting the real conservatives in her party, and the CSU. The SPD just cannot stand up and fight her, because Merkel always takes the wind out of their sails. I guess they are all sick and tired of her 13-year-long chancellorship..

Of course everything can be blamed on Merkel, question is whether accusations hold any water. Immigration.. is another field. But even there opinions differ.

Jimbuna

01-18-19, 06:15 AM

High-profile Germans plead with UK to stay in EUhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46918009

Some warm and comforting words in the letter but I can't help thinking that there will also be some opposition from within Germany regarding its contents.

Catfish

01-18-19, 08:45 AM

Some warm and comforting words in the letter but I can't help thinking that there will also be some opposition from within Germany regarding its contents.

Why do you think that? There may be some haters as everywhere, but surely not the majority. It was not exactly Germany that wanted the UK to leave, nor the rest of the EU. You did it all by yourself. I hope there can still be friendship, afer all we had to accept your new course.

It was a bit "irritating" to see the war rhetorics of some brexiters, pulling out their sledgehammer with something like "We don't want you to like us or be friends, bugger off!" :D

Skybird

01-18-19, 09:33 AM

What can be blamed on Merkel? :hmmm:
The recession? I blame worldwide fuss with Trumponomics, and brexit influencing the economical condition. No local political reason here. And national debt in Germany is down to 64 percent, to below 2004 level.
B.t.w. as mentioned before two times, it really does not look like a "recession". There's still economical growth, if a bit less than predicted.

The reason for Merkel leaving as chancellor is more the annoyance between the CDU and CSU's front man Seehofer. Both being initially conservative parties, Merkel's CDU has adopted all the social democratic SPD's points of view and measures to deal with things, upsetting the real conservatives in her party, and the CSU. The SPD just cannot stand up and fight her, because Merkel always takes the wind out of their sails. I guess they are all sick and tired of her 13-year-long chancellorship..

Of course everything can be blamed on Merkel, question is whether accusations hold any water. Immigration.. is another field. But even there opinions differ.
As so often, you just skim on the surface. And take everything on the surface for deep truth. You probably also assume that inflation is just 2.5%, implicvt debts will be solved in the near future, laws ands treaties are worth the paper they are printed on and will be followed by potlicians releasing them, and that every eleven minutes somebody falls in love via Parship. But i am a bit tired of calling you out on every single point only to see you skimming on as if nothing happened, ignoring it completely.

Its a plain simple world, the way you paint it in blue. Its the perfect world of an abstract theoreticist.

Jimbuna

01-18-19, 11:34 AM

Why do you think that? There may be some haters as everywhere, but surely not the majority. It was not exactly Germany that wanted the UK to leave, nor the rest of the EU. You did it all by yourself. I hope there can still be friendship, afer all we had to accept your new course.

It was a bit "irritating" to see the war rhetorics of some brexiters, pulling out their sledgehammer with something like "We don't want you to like us or be friends, bugger off!" :D

Well, when this all ends whichever way I will always be one of those who hope for a continuation of friendship between the UK and Europe.

Schroeder

01-18-19, 12:05 PM

Well, when this all ends whichever way I will always be one of those who hope for a continuation of friendship between the UK and Europe.
Nah, this time we will invade you with the French and Poles on our side.:O:

Seriously though I hope we can get things sorted out and still be close. There is no point in putting up artificial barriers for trade and travel.

Skybird

01-18-19, 01:50 PM

No, we let the Poles and French alone invade Britian, in our name and on our behalf.

Bleiente

01-18-19, 01:56 PM

:o

Pawns. Chess only symbolically represents war, it does not really include human sacrifices. :D

:O:
I sincerely promise to continue serving with such mistakes.
This tremendously increases the audience value and the fun together. :shucks:

:haha:

STEED

01-18-19, 05:43 PM

Thanks guys for the info.

Catfish

01-20-19, 07:29 AM

Interesting online article in the FAZ (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) about the views of new BND (Federal Intelligence Service) head Bruno Kahl.
It seems international propaganda activity by autocrate systems, and shielding the eastern people from western information will be the coming number one threat.

Squeezed in by giants

by Reinhard Mueller, FAZ online, 19.1.2019

"It is a commonplace that the threat posed by liberal states is different today than it was twenty years ago. Rarely does the president of the Federal Intelligence Service, Bruno Kahl, comment publicly. So happened to conclude a series of discussions on "values" of the Hessian State Representative in Berlin. Kahl said the conflict between economically successful, authoritarian-repressive systems on the one hand and Western-liberal on the other has the potential to replace current asymmetric threats such as international terrorism and religious conflict as the biggest strategic challenge.

The ideological confrontation runs between constitutional, value-based democracies on the one hand, and emerging authoritarian social models on the other. The latter appeared attractive, since they are superficially stable, militarily strong and often very economically successful. The own society is "positively" demarcated from the West, which is discriminated against as "unstable" (financial crisis), "alienated" (migration), "decadent" (no own obligatory values) and "disintegrating" (Brexit).

And terrorism? Although the "territorial project" of the IS had failed. However, the BND sees a return of the IS to "classic" underground terrorist activities and network structures. The focus is also on Europe and Germany. "Bad news in this context," says Kahl, "is that the borders between terrorism and conventional crime are fluid: clans, militias and terrorist groups are profiteers of the moment in many regions: they are violent, ruthless and increasingly on the agenda successfully."
And he added: "The fact that the early and sudden withdrawal of the Americans from some of these problem regions contributes to the faster stabilization, one should doubly doubt that - even if you as a European and especially as a German otherwise has no good arguments, from the US to demand more and longer military missions."

With regard to cyberattacks, Kahl emphasized: "Even in Iran and in North Korea state hackers of the highest class act today." One observes an increasing intelligence presence in the "hacker underground".

Regarding the competition of the systems, Kahl said that China is impressed by the fact that it is building a gigantic new airport in Beijing in a very short time. At the same time, a year ago a German premium manufacturer announced that it wanted to better its advertising with the Dalai Lama he continues to sell cars in China. The German group has apologized and deleted the advertising.

The BND president sees another problem: while Western economies compete with powerful non-state actors - such as the international Internet giants - certain states with a systematic industrial policy are pushing their own big players such as Tencent or Alibaba into virtually all areas - especially in the technologies of the future, "Western democracies thus become sandwiched between the giants of capitalism and the giants of authoritarianism."

In this system conflict between constitutional, value-based democracies on the one hand, and modern, increasingly dictatorship-like autocracies on the other, we Germans and Europeans would have to ask ourselves the rather uncomfortable question of how we wanted to behave in the long term, said the BND president. "For example, we need to ask ourselves, self-critically, whether international cooperation should be promoted for its own sake, even if individual states only use the undeniable benefits of multilateralism to defend their own aggressive and autocratic policies at the expense of our free and democratic We also need to ask ourselves, "If we want to tolerate that individual state actors only superficially accept multilateral structures in order to undermine our liberal world order from the inside".
Moreover, today we should be careful that, given the isolationist attitude on the other side of the Atlantic, as overly uncritical multilateralists, we did not end up sacrificing precisely the multilateral world order that we actually want to defend and defend by leaving it to their enemies. For there are powerful states in the world today who "only support multilateralism as long as it benefits their aggressive interests."

And there you are again with the values. Kahl, the lawyer and Schauble confidant, emphasized that unlimited freedom meant nothing more than arbitrariness and anarchy. Who dreams of the ideal of unlimited freedom, he will certainly not find it in a "failed state". However, in a democratic state governed by law as well as absolute security can not be realized: "Any attempt to establish absolute security leads to dictatorship and terror in the medium term."

Shield terrorists from the outside world

Freedom rights, understood purely as state defense rights, can not, of course, serve as the basis of a state order, but rather they would be the gateway to anarchy. Accordingly, security also belongs to freedom. A fundamental right to security, which the Basic Law expressly does not know, can be derived, according to Kahl, from the classical declarations of human rights as well as early constitutions of the 19th century. He recalls the 1978 decision of the Federal Constitutional Court to deny contact, which allowed the state to completely shield detained RAF terrorists from the outside world. It states: "The security of the state as a constituted power of peace and order and the security of its population to be guaranteed by it are constitutional values, which are in the same rank with others and indispensable, because the institution state derives from them the actual and final justification . "

Kahl emphasized that he did not want to speak the word of isolationism. But even more dangerous, because the real interests are concealed, "is a value-free, purely power-oriented multilateralism that claims universal freedoms only as long as they benefit, but eliminate them as soon as they are no longer needed." The BND president considers it realistic to strive for "a multi-polar world order that is rule-based and which makes it attractive for all members of the international community to at least avoid wars".

Let's see how long he remains in power :hmmm:

STEED

01-22-19, 05:32 PM

I hear the euro army is on it's way now Germany and France signed agreement.

Catfish

01-23-19, 03:07 AM

^ Steed, in the moment, it is very unlikely :hmmm:
Google translate:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sueddeutsche.de%2Fpolitik%2Fde utschland-frankreich-freundschaftsvertrag-sicherheitspolitik-1.4296345

The signed treaty is more about closer collaboration:

From the BBC:
"France and Germany agree to establish common positions and issue joint statements on major EU issues - formalising their existing co-operation. They also plan to act as a joint force at the United Nations.

From foreign policy to internal and external security, the two nations commit to coming up with common positions while seeking to bolster "Europe's capacity to act autonomously".
The two countries commit to:

Deepening economic integration with a Franco-German "economic zone"
Developing Europe's military capabilities, investing together to "fill gaps in capacity, thereby reinforcing" the EU and Nato
The possibility of joint military deployments as well as a Franco-German defence and security council

For young people, there is agreement to focus on cultural exchanges and increase learning of each other's languages, with the aim of a Franco-German university.
There are also plans for closer cross-border links and greater "bilingualism" on both sides of the borders."

Of course
"If France and Germany are serious about an EU-wide army under a central command, they can thank Trump":
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/21/europe-finally-pulls-the-trigger-on-a-military-force-eu-army-trump

Skybird

01-23-19, 05:32 AM

I hear the euro army is on it's way now Germany and France signed agreement.
If you mean the paper of Aachen - that is just the whistleing in the forest. A declaration of two very weak government leaders who get the boot at home.

The cooperation of Germany and France in terms of cooperating army units and shared manouver units, is overestimated, according to insiders being experience din this field. They say reality in no way meets what since years gets postulated to be already there.

On that interview with the BND chief, Germany currently has made it clear where its priorities lie, and these priorities are denial of reality. We care a lot for eliminating genders from our cultural definitaion o our species, we foster strong collective uniformism in mind and thoght and opinion and have labelled everything right of the far leanign left as rightwinged extremism, any sense of own, natural identity gets brandmarked as brutal selfishness, and economy lobby groups as well as ideological special interest groups tear the law and order state and and state reason apart. Monopolism rules - on top pof all, the state as the biggest monopolist of all, but not any less unfriendly just because it is the state.

The people - let all this happen and let all this getting done in their name, so i think they do not deserve anythign better. Thats justice.

The EU is putting itself under so much inner tensions that it must burst sooner or later. It is hopelessly exaggerating its own meaning and importance, its a playground for deranged characters unsuited for serving the public, the EU wants to be too much and thank God! can be only too little, a textbook example for over-ambitious hubris. The advanatge of Europe always was: innovation, innovation came form competition, competition came fro geographic separation. Technology-hostility especially in Germany, the demand of the EU to be a cultural Lehrmeister and re-designer of cultural identity is owed to the demand of fat cats to sunbath their egos in the light of a bigger organsiation they represent as a de facto one party system, and the Gleichschaltung of opinion and thinking about it, especially in Western state run media and here once again in the german mainstream media, cannot be overlooked, is obvious. Merkel'S policy of declaring anythign she claims as "without alternative" had destroyed the potlical spectrum and prevents any "democratic" discussion, has turned the parliament into a de facto one-party show with a strawman -like democratic legitimation like the other parties beside the SED in the GDR.

de Gaulle wanted the British not in the EEC, he vetoed their joinign twice, feared the economic influx from their economy. de gaulle also did not want this madness of a Eurpean superstate , he wanted instead a strong economic - and only economic! - cooperation, and an according framework for that. With that concept of an EU I wold have no big problems, like I agree to the concepot of the old EEC, despite its obvious, politically motivated dysbalanced economic distribution policies which led to unhealthy results (like every state-run sanctioning of free market and any state-propagated claim to plan the economy necessarily must do). The milk quotas, the butter mountains of the 70s and 80s., etc etc. But the EU fat cats dream of establishing a Sovjet-style regome that gives them so very uch own power and glory, or comare it to the role the KP plays in China - its a one party-dictatorship with an utmost corrupt family clan at the very top. The ammount of corruption in the eU is immense, and is helped by the fact that the holy grail of Wetsern systemn: voter'S decisions, get bypassed by biblical ammount of private lobbyism, leading to the circumstance that Brussel insiders say on one member of EU parliament there come 50-60 lobbyists who are additionally allowed, like on national government levels, to not only recommend la chnages on their behalf, but also to formulate them and let them beign turned into written rle by their own law agencies. The corruption of the intended design is complete. It cannot be reformed, for the actors will be against it to protect their own interests, and in generla net receivig state slive so very pefrectly of the status quo in which they can vote down net paying states. This leviathan cannot be talked into nice behaviour, every state never redcues itself, instead it always demands ever mor epower for itself. This leviathan must be waited to collapse under its own weight, suffocated by its own body mass. This is what happend to the two Roman empires after the divide, preparing them to be weak and unfit and self-paralysed so that they could no longe rresct to the challanges raised by foreign pwers from ebyoind their spheres of influence. When rome stopped to be potent enough reach into the affairs of other kingdoms and places, some of these later reached into Roman affairs, with the known results. I think the EU will go the same way, just in timelapse mode. The loss is not the loss of the eU, the loss is the wasted time that is not avialable to make our states fit for the tough competition with Russia, china, the US. Especialyl the US now has a technolgical lead over Europe that I think cannot be caught up with anymore. The German hostility to technology does not help, of course. Not to mention that in many fields of new tehcnolgies we are a development country. Albania has more stable internet, than Germany. Our rail is a mess, our airports cant be build, we clad buoldings and ignore the immense encironmental costs of that but stick with the cliche that it actually helps the environment, we have illusions about e-mobility and fade out the dirty costs of pruducing e-cars and batteries, and when we make disocveries in new cell techcnolgy, we do not dare to turn it itno a profit-generating business idea, no: we share it for free so that all mankind shall benefot from it, follow out golden ways and thnaks us for it, theit thankfulness is our payment. And above all we simply ignore that without bringing down global population tremedosukly, all this hectic acting will make no difference. WE ARE TOO MANY.

German priorities 2019:

LINK (https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article187461840/Geschlechtergerechte-Sprache-Hannover-schafft-den-Lehrer-ab.html)

Catfish

01-23-19, 06:10 AM

^ or, in one word: no.

Skybird

01-23-19, 07:08 AM

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Fmargare t_thachers_vorahnung_fuer_deutschland

The question „What does history tell us about the character and behavior of the Germans and have they changed in the last forty years?" Asked Margaret Thatcher in March 1990, after several rejections of the reunification of Germany, American and British experts in Germany. Four historians (including the above-cited Gordon A. Craig) and two journalists invited them to their county seat to discuss these and other issues informally. The summary of the „Seminar on Germany“ published the British National Archives 2016. It can be (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://c59574e9047e61130f13-3f71d0fe2b653c4f00f32175760e96e7.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.c om/9D2F1EFFB60C4F10879687C160B4B529.pdf&xid=17259,15700021,15700186,15700191,15700248&usg=ALkJrhhtdCeik9nA7nKOc8vsYDN0aV7BaQ) read here (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://c59574e9047e61130f13-3f71d0fe2b653c4f00f32175760e96e7.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.c om/9D2F1EFFB60C4F10879687C160B4B529.pdf&xid=17259,15700021,15700186,15700191,15700248&usg=ALkJrhhtdCeik9nA7nKOc8vsYDN0aV7BaQ) . (2) As participants of the meeting emphasized in retrospect, the document by the private secretary Thatchers, CD Powell, partly pointed and written with a certain irony. Thus, the summary immediately begins with the description of the national attributes of the Germans that have been shown in the past: „Their lack of empathy (especially in their behavior regarding the Polish border), their obsession with themselves, a strong inclination to self-pity, and the desire to be liked.
Some even less flattering qualities were named as a consistent part of the German character: in alphabetical order, fear, aggression, certainty, harassment, selfishness, inferiority complex, sentimentality. "(3) The document goes on:" Two more features of the German character were in the Looking to the future as reasons for concern. First, an ability to excess, to exaggerate things, to overestimated. Secondly, a tendency to overestimate one’s own powers and abilities.
An example of this which greatly influenced subsequent German history was the conviction that the victory over France in 1870 was the result of a deep moral and cultural superiority, instead of - as indeed - a modest advance in military technology. " Gordon Craig (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1991_4_5_craig.pdf&xid=17259,15700021,15700186,15700191,15700248&usg=ALkJrhi0Bs4HHUs2mgJH79px-qSAeCJLGw) ) The historian Gordon Craig said in a statement in (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1991_4_5_craig.pdf&xid=17259,15700021,15700186,15700191,15700248&usg=ALkJrhi0Bs4HHUs2mgJH79px-qSAeCJLGw) 1991 to have said this in analogy, but distanced himself - as all participating historians - from the concept of national character in the mouth.

^ Or as I often say: the Germans are hysterical romanticists, always driven by galloping emotions, wallowing in collective, shallow sentiments. Only at first glance this seems to be a contradiction to the clichée of the sober, cold-blooded intellectual German (that, if he ever has lived, by now certainly is more or less dead).

https://c59574e9047e61130f13-3f71d0fe2b653c4f00f32175760e96e7.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.c om/9D2F1EFFB60C4F10879687C160B4B529.pdf

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/111048

Jimbuna

01-23-19, 10:20 AM

If you mean the paper of Aachen - that is just the whistleing in the forest. A declaration of two very weak government leaders who get the boot at home.

That's what puzzles me, they are both pretty close to being lame ducks at home but they simply ignore the fact and forge ahead with their own priorities :hmmm:

Bleiente

01-23-19, 12:55 PM

@Skybird - dies hier beschreibt wohl eher und sehr zutreffend die Probleme in unserem Land...

Auf den Punkt gebracht... :yep:
https://gloria.tv/video/PVLNVWEDTLep3hGfYH3u1Q3sz

:Kaleun_Salute:

STEED

01-23-19, 05:58 PM

Once again the media news tells porkies, thanks guys.

Skybird

01-24-19, 04:53 PM

After several institutes and economic "sages" predicted a steep drop in economic growth in Germany for 2019, even negative growth, the German government now also almost halves its outlook, from a growth of 1.8% in autumn to now 1.0%. Since a government usually tries to nice-wash unwanted numbers and exaggerates wanted numers, its quite safe to assume that internally they expect even worse.

The analysis of international observers is much less forgiving, and expects negative growth

https://www.businessinsider.de/germany-and-italy-recessions-as-european-economy-slumps-2019-1?r=US&IR=T

In last quarter 2018, the German economy already saw a drop of 1.9%

https://www.businessinsider.de/germany-just-went-into-a-recession-2019-1?r=US&IR=T

The second article says the numers were so bad that their trustwoirthiness are pout in dohzbt by some - but I recall that in general the same down trend was reported by German media already after the christmas days. The German economy is stuttering since first quarter last year already.

"Even if order books and backlogs of work still look good, Germany likely flirted with a technical recession in H2. We have revised our Q4 GDP forecast to 0.0%." — Daniel Harenberg of Oxford Economics.
"The decline was broad-based across sectors, with no bright spots: manufacturing fell by 1.8% m-o-m with the consumer goods sector once again being the major drag (-4.1% m-o-m vs. -3.3% in Oct.) ... Today’s data were both bad and unexpected. A technical recession in German industry now seems likely." — Stefan Schilbe of HSBC.
"Germany likely was in recession in H2 2018 ... Yesterday’s manufacturing data in Germany provided alarming evidence of a much more severe slowdown in the second half of last year than economists had initially expected. Industrial production plunged 1.9% month-to-month in November, driving the year-over-year rate down to a decade-low of -4.6%. The headline was hit by a perfect storm across all sectors." — analyst Claus Vistesen of Pantheon Macreconomics.

Italy and France also are in growing troubles.

Catfish

01-25-19, 02:35 AM

ANGST!

Skybird

01-25-19, 05:56 AM

No. Money.

Edit:

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article187689984/Ifo-Index-Die-deutsche-Wirtschaft-befindet-sich-in-einem-Abschwung.html

IFO index in decline, lowest score since over three years.German managers see further fall in coming next 6 months.

Jimbuna

01-28-19, 09:02 AM

Things don't look all that good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQyN4uuzMBE

Skybird

01-28-19, 12:07 PM

Thats just the tip of the iceberg.

Just this weekend it was reported that internal secret papers show that 25 thousand posts/jobs in the Bundeswehr currently are vacant. For next year it is expected that while one half of school graduates will be unfit (physically or due to lacking German passport), of the remainig other half every fourth graduate would need to sign in to the services to fulfill the needs over the longterm perspective of many years to come, to form a peronsell poll of experience - becasue the staff that now is there is hopelessly overaged (the German forces count for one of the highest age mean values amongst all iondustrialsed nations) and two thirds of it will leave the services in the coming four year.

They now want to hire Romanian and Polish legionaires, but klaready now have hopelessly overestimated expectations regading the quota of interested people form these countries that could be attracted.

On the navy, the new ships they get are a total mess. On the new frigates it is said repeatedly that they do not funciton and will never function, becasue b y design a ship like that could not function oin the tasks it is claimed for. Its a flawed design, both the new frigates and the corvettes.

Also, they have unsolvable recruiting problems. There are not enough crews to man these ships according to the time schedules the engineers had on mind when planing the ergonomci hanbdling and maintenanc eof these ships, plus the new legal limitations that forbig sailors to stay away as long from home anymore as they once used to, so that crews need to be rotated with the platform staying on station and in operation. Of the submarines it is known sinc elong, and hidden from the pub lic, that there are not enough quaolified subamriners in germany to have even four subamrines in service, not toi mejtion 6. Add to this disease, injuries, losses form fighting action, and the readiness level gets degraded even further.

The problem lies in the structure sof the Bundeswehr, which has no self-understanding of a fighting army, a criticism I voice since long. Also, the bureaucrsatic structures are such that many instances and offices work not together, but against eahc other. The armed forces today are a pension-supply service for way too many high rankling officers. There are many times (two factors!!) as many officers of ranks like general and colonel, than the Wehrmacht had with 6 million men under weapons at the height of WWII. And Püppi Ursula, our barrack barbiewith that always well-done hair, tries to run the defence eminstry and army, like an all-family-inclusive social event therapy with the prmary role of serving at the forefront of pushing femnmist policies and poltical correctness. She is deeply despised by the majority of the officer corps, and enjoys no more trust. She has several scandals and claims of corruption and nepotism on her heels, and gives foreign advisers from trhe econoym and privatre husiness too much a say in reorganising inner structures and prcurement processes.

Finally, let me tell you this. A week ago some professional craftsman wrote in a national newspaper he does not take jobs from professional enginers anymore, they powuld have a low paying moral and would always complain and make demands that cannot be fulfilled, becasue, so he said, they always claim to know tigns and stuff of which I by experience know from relaity that they do not work this way - with the engineers claiming it shoukld be like this or that, but all based on abstract theory and with zero experience from reality. This craftsman, floor tiler, got an impressive ammount of agreement and applaus - namely from ordinary employees of those companies (Audi and one or two other car manufacturers) whom the tiler referred to when mentioning "enginerers", the people said that these engineers indeed plan inside the ivory tower and too often come up with stuff that in theory should work, bvecasue they had some inetlectzual idea on paper - and in reality it justg cannot be relasied, but they refuse to see that. Its a conflict ebtwene pragmatic real experince versus abstract theoretical calculation.

This is sympatimatic for gerjmany today. Our whole society and state is infested by it. Everything gets planned by experts, from social role models to street toll systems, from airports to revolutions in energy supply structures, from climate tackling emission reduction schemes to politcal interactions with EU countries, from claimed tax-neutral subvention schemes to minimum targets for public schoold educaiton effeiciency, from rebuilding the ramdshackled Germna rial (A state-owned business...) to repai8rng the crumbling infrastructure, from digital and IT infrastructure to - well, you name it. And time and again it gets found that it doe snto work. That it makes no difference, that it gets more expoenbsve by factors, and less efficnet, also by factors. That there is not enogznb money, and not enough poerosnell. And thos epaolning this, never see the mistake in their approach, and next time again make claims and demands that are beyond good and evil and promise the heavenly sky arriving on earth and making everybody happy.

This mental asylum that Germany is, gets run my insane theoreticists that live minside the deepest depths of the ivory tower. And when they have placed orders and defined inetntions, they mess up with the relaiszation process late ron and chnage the initial dmnad and criteria time and again, endlessly, untio,t he last day of pordeiuction, so to speak.

This cannot work. It does not work. It will never work. There is not enogu moeny for allt aht needs to be done. There are no reserves, and the implict debts are movating me for committing immediate suicide. There are not enough pero9snell to do all the tasks. The experts are not half as much experts as they think they are. The industrial experience often is not there anymore, or even gets scared away, driven out (the left and the Greens do not hide they want to deindustrialise the country). The grade of th German engineer got needlessly destroyed, massively devalued. The education quality levels got lowered systematically over the past 30 years. Social and communal structural integrity got needlessly put under ever growing stress by an ideological drive to erase German traditional qualities as a side effect of erasing this filthy, evil thing named German identity.

Von nichts kommt nichts. From nothiugn comes nothing. Thats why I say since years that I have already scratched Germany off the list. This country has no future, even if its fat cats boast and claim that it is the greatest of the greatest, and the future will be sensdational. The Germany of today has far more similiarity with the former GDR, than the west- Germany of the cold war. The mentality of a "gleichgeschaltet" society and media and polical apparatus, paralyses and stuns everythig n and everybody. Paroles rule. Claims are sufficjent to give your rights. Quality and performance and achievement mean little anymore.

You can wait forever that germany comes back to its senses and will raise again its qaloities it ince had. They are gone, and it will only become worse, slowly, but inevitably. The germans do not understand how brutal the competition plays intentionally, and they think the world just stands ready to follow Germans' megalomaniac moralistic appeals and demands.

They wait alone.

Skybird

01-28-19, 03:52 PM

^
.................................................. .................................................. ............................."Our new inner leadership!"

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/fuehrung_ts/23919482/2-format1007.jpg

Catfish

01-29-19, 05:08 AM

And it is even worse in Austria:

(Google translation)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdietagespresse.com%2Fschneechaos-bevoelkerung-muss-marodes-bundesheer-aus-kasernen-befreien%2F

Not to mention their Navy!

Jimbuna

01-29-19, 08:21 AM

Catfish

01-29-19, 10:37 AM

This is some kind of parody surely :hmmm:
You don't say :03:

The main problem are the arms manufacturers. You can of course blame it all on our defence mistress Uschi von der Leyen, but no defence minister here ever had a real oversight of who got what and why. It is perfect routine for those companies to fetch the highest (overpriced) prices, and then some.
And they will not hesitate to put things on the bill that were never delivered. This is a worldwide agreement. No one complained when a light bulb for some Trafalgar class boat appeared on the bill for 25 pounds. Per piece.

Jimbuna

01-29-19, 11:43 AM

No one complained when a light bulb for some Trafalgar class boat appeared on the bill for 25 pounds. Per piece.

Is that true?

Catfish

01-29-19, 12:12 PM

Is that true?

I'm afraid yes, but this was some 20 years ago.

Jimbuna

01-29-19, 12:36 PM

I'm afraid yes, but this was some 20 years ago.

Ah, okay, they have been in service since 83 and there are three still remaining.

Skybird

01-29-19, 01:37 PM

Ah, okay, they have been in service since 83 and there are three still remaining.
Thats what I call a durable light bulb.

But one light bulb for 22+ million Brits? A bit dark at night, isn't it? Do they stand in line at night and wait for their turn to hold it for a split of a second?

Jimbuna

01-30-19, 08:08 AM

Thats what I call a durable light bulb.

But one light bulb for 22+ million Brits? A bit dark at night, isn't it? Do they stand in line at night and wait for their turn to hold it for a split of a second?

After Brexit it might be all we can afford :03:

Skybird

01-31-19, 04:08 PM

Henryk Broder, whom I repeatedly referred to in the past, was invited by the AfD to hold a speech. And he did. This it, and it is good, and as Broderian as Broder gets.

https://www.welt.de/debatte/henryk-m-broder/article187962993/Henryk-M-Broders-Rede-vor-der-AfD-Bundestagsfraktion.html

I have not checked the bot translation of it, I assume it looses plenty of the witty humour, maybe does not even make sense. For whatever its worth, here is the English bot translation.

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fdebatte%2Fhenryk-m-broder%2Farticle187962993%2FHenryk-M-Broders-Rede-vor-der-AfD-Bundestagsfraktion.html

Catfish

02-01-19, 04:36 AM

I guess Broder underestimates the goals of the AfD, and especially Mr. Hoecke. Broder might be in for a surprise if the AfD ever gets the majority.

Skybird

02-01-19, 06:29 AM

He does not underestimate them at all.

He just understands two things that escapes all the moral apostles and "Empörte": first, that enforced, sanctioned-for consent is not freedom and pluralism, but tyranny, and second that the way they try to not deal with the AfD but just demonising them without proving them wrong point by point, is impotent, and childish.

the den or hell of brown spotted lions, in the snake pit of reaction, in the darkroom of history. (...) Some of you may never have seen a real Jew in nature and are now waiting for the room to fill with the smell of garlic and sulfur. (...) a room full of Nazis, neo-Nazis, crypto-Nazis and Para-Nazis

Skybird

02-04-19, 01:18 PM

The bot translates:

" The proportion of foreign prisoners in German prisons has reached new record levels in all federal states.

This reports the Düsseldorf "Rheinische Post" (Monday) on the basis of a survey of the 16 state justice ministers.

In Berlin and Hamburg, more than every second inmate comes from abroad. The proportion of foreigners in the new federal states is also rising rapidly.

The strongest groups were prisoners from Poland, Tunisia, Libya, the Czech Republic and Georgia. In western countries, the proportion of foreigners has risen from 55 to 61 in Hamburg since 2016, from 43 to 51 in Berlin, from 29 to 33 in Lower Saxony, from 26 to 30 in Rhineland-Palatinate, from 44 to 48 in Baden-Württemberg, in Bremen from 35 to 41, in Schleswig-Holstein from 28 to 34, in the Saarland from 24 to 27 percent. Hesse already recorded a share of 44.1 percent three years ago, climbing slightly to 44.6 percent. Bavaria registered an increase from 31 to 45 percent since 2012.

The prison authorities pay particular attention to prisoners with Islamist backgrounds. "The number of prisoners who have become conspicuous because of their Islamist sentiment, has risen sharply in the past two years," reports the Stuttgart Minister of Justice Guido Wolf (CDU). Until 2016, it was only a single-digit number, in the course of 2017, it was depending on the time between 20 and 30, now 45. "

scource: https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/besodneres-augenmerk-auf-islamistische-gefangene-behoerden-sind-alarmiert-auslaenderanteil-in-deutschen-gefaengnissen-erreicht-rekordwert_id_10276454.html

The national verage share of foerginers living in Germany, was around 16% in Spring 2018. This excludes German households with migraiton backgrounds that meanwhile got German passports.

Thus the crime rate of foreigners tell us that foreigners are massively overrepresented against Germans in the crime scene.

---

To complete the record:

" Just under one in four people in Germany has a migration background - in western Germany just over every fourth, in East Germany every fifteenth person (2017: 26.5 or 6.8 percent). In terms of the federal states, most people with a migration background live in North Rhine-Westphalia (26.2 percent). Their share of the population is highest in Bremen (32.0 percent). Of all persons with a migrant background, around two thirds have immigrated themselves and one third have been born in Germany (68.4 or 31.6 per cent). Just over half of people with a migration background are Germans (51.1 percent). In the medium term, the proportion of people with a migration background will continue to increase: in 2017, 39.1 percent of all children under the age of five had a migrant background.

facts
In 2017, 19.3 million of the total of 81.7 million inhabitants in Germany had a migration background (immigrants and their descendants). Of these 19.3 million people were 9.8 million Germans and 9.4 million foreigners (51.1 and 48.9 percent).

A good two-thirds of people with a migration background - 13.2 million or 68.4 percent - were themselves migrants in 2017 (first generation). The persons with their own migration experience are divided into foreigners (41.2 percent) and Germans (27.2 percent) - together the mentioned 68.4 percent. People without their own migration experience, ie second- or third-generation migrants, accounted for just under one third of people with a migrant background (31.6 percent). This group is divided into Germans without their own migration experience (23.9 percent) and foreigners who were also born in Germany (7.7 percent).

The Germans with their own migration experience (27.2 percent of all persons with a migration background) are divided into self-immigrated (late) Aussiedler (14.8 percent), even immigrant naturalized (10.5 percent) as well as immigrant adoptees and German-born ( 0.2 or 1.6 percent). The Germans with a migration background but without their own migration experience (23.9 percent of all persons with a migration background) can also be divided: The two groups naturalized (2.8 percent) and adoptees (0.1 percent) are significantly smaller than the group of as German born (21.1 percent). The latter are, for example, children of naturalized, German children of foreign parents or children of (late) Aussiedlern.

In 2017, 95.6 percent of people with a migrant background lived in West Germany and Berlin. More than one in four people with a migrant background lived in North Rhine-Westphalia (26.2 percent), about every sixth in Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria (17.5 or 15.9 percent). In terms of the respective population of the federal states, their share was in the city states of Bremen (32.0 percent), Hamburg (30.6 percent) and Berlin (29.4 percent) as well as in Hesse (31.1 percent), Baden-Württemberg. Württemberg (30.9 percent) and North Rhine-Westphalia (28.4 percent) are the highest. In East Germany, the proportion of persons with a migration background in the total population was only 6.8 percent (West Germany with Berlin: 26.5 percent, Germany: 23.6 percent).

59.9 percent of all migrants lived in urban areas in 2017, and 13.0 percent in rural areas. At the community level, the larger the population of the community, the greater is the tendency for the percentage of people with a migrant background in the total population. For example, while the share in communities with less than 2,000 inhabitants in 2017 was 8.0 percent, In the municipalities with 20,000 to less than 50,000 inhabitants, on average about every fourth person had a migration background (24.4 percent). In the municipalities with 500,000 inhabitants or more, the corresponding proportion was 32.7 percent.

In the medium term, the proportion of people with a migration background will continue to increase: In 2017, 39.1 percent of all children under the age of five in Germany had a migrant background - in the group of 35- to under-45s, the proportion was 30 in the same year , 9 percent and 8,9 percent among 85- to under-95s.

Europe is particularly important for migration in Germany: 36.0 percent of the 19.3 million people with a migrant background in 2017 came from one of the 27 other member states of the European Union, another 31.9 percent from another European state. Most of the 19.3 million people with a migrant background came from Turkey (14.4 percent) in 2017, followed by Poland (10.9 percent), Russia (7.2 percent), Italy and Romania (4.5 percent each) Percent). Kazakhstan and Syria are the most important non-European countries of origin with shares of 6.4 and 3.7 percent, respectively."

source: https://www.bpb.de/wissen/NY3SWU,0,0,Bev%F6lkerung_mit_Migrationshintergrund _I.html

These are just official numbers of the last microcensus. They do not cover illegal migrants and the hidden migration. Depending on whom you ask these would chnage the number sa bit, or quite signifdicantly, but they seem to be big enough to make a noteicable difference any way.

Catfish

02-05-19, 03:46 AM

[...] In Berlin and Hamburg, more than every second inmate comes from abroad. The proportion of foreigners in the new federal states is also rising rapidly.
The strongest groups were prisoners from Poland, Tunisia, Libya, the Czech Republic and Georgia. [...]

While this is not a good development i wonder how much of those strongest groups from Poland, Tunisia, Libya, Czech Republic and Georgia are "islamists" or terrorists of any kind? I take it they are good old criminals and thugs. I just wonder why they were allowed to immigrate if most of the countries named above do not pose a threat to life to their own people in case of detention. :hmmm:

Skybird

02-05-19, 07:09 AM

While this is not a good development i wonder how much of those strongest groups from Poland, Tunisia, Libya, Czech Republic and Georgia are "islamists" or terrorists of any kind? I take it they are good old criminals and thugs. I just wonder why they were allowed to immigrate if most of the countries named above do not pose a threat to life to their own people in case of detention. :hmmm:

Quote:

Ein besonderes Augenmerk haben die Strafvollzugsbehörden auf Gefangene mit islamistischem Hintergrund. "Die Zahl der Gefangenen, die wegen ihrer islamistischen Gesinnung auffällig geworden sind, ist in den vergangenen beiden Jahren stark angestiegen", berichtet der Stuttgarter Justizminister Guido Wolf (CDU). Noch bis 2016 habe es sich nur um eine einstellige Zahl gehandelt, im Verlauf des Jahres 2017 seien es je nach Zeitpunkt zwischen 20 und 30 gewesen, nun 45.

Bot translation

The prison authorities pay particular attention to prisoners with Islamist backgrounds. "The number of prisoners who have become conspicuous because of their Islamist sentiment, has risen sharply in the past two years," reports the Stuttgart Minister of Justice Guido Wolf (CDU). Until 2016, it was only a single-digit number, in the course of 2017, it was depending on the time between 20 and 30, now 45.

However, these are the high-rofile Islamist cases only, not the ordinary radical and also not covered are those who get infested with Islam while actually being in prison. Insiders say this dangers gets dramatically underestiamted.

Compare to the dramatic spreading of Salafism in Germany.

Skybird

02-16-19, 07:26 PM

The German lien registration authority sdays 30-40 percent of deported asylum seekers just return to germany short time later again. The interior ministry admits that the numbers is "plausible."

Efforts to prevent this: unknown.

Maybe instead of overpriced and uncompetitively dirty LGT gas we should import wall elements made in the US? Me thinks we at least get more value for money that way.

Jimbuna

02-22-19, 06:25 AM

So the German Defence minister is worried that as the RAF retires it's Tornado fleet the price of spares for those still in service in Germany will rise considerably.
She could, of course, offer to buy ours off us, I would think 39 Billion Euro would do the trick!

Catfish

02-22-19, 07:50 AM

^ How about eBay?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/RAF-Tornado-GR1-RB199-Jet-Engine-Turbine-Blade-Iraq-Gullf-War-Relic-Rolls-Royce/143128733034?hash=item215323256a:g:o~EAAOSw9L1Ztqk V:rk:3:pf:0

Skybird

03-30-19, 04:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=327&v=d9OJMJPUxE0

Skybird

05-02-19, 09:44 AM

https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2019-05/ost-west-wanderung-abwanderung-ostdeutschland-umzug

An interesting animation visualizing the movement patterns of inner-German migration from 1990-2017. Its not about forign migraiton, but the movement of Eastergermans to Westgerman federal states, and since recently: vice versa. The animation shows a map for every year, years can be selected under the map. Yellow sparks show East-West movement, blue shows West-East movement.

ikalugin

05-14-19, 03:22 AM

https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ng.ru%2Fideas%2F2019-05-13%2F5_7571_ideas2.html
Interesting discussion by German greens. They are just now realising that Ukraine has a nuclear dimension.

Skybird

05-25-19, 10:18 AM

EU election spot for the party "The Non-Voters".

:D

No English but only German subtitles, sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN3KH4u87_I

:haha:

STEED

05-25-19, 12:36 PM

ERRR....

I will have too take your word for that.

Catfish

05-25-19, 12:57 PM

:haha:
"We have been non-swimmers and non-smokers for so long, so now we thought of something nw. So we became non-voters!"

Skybird

05-25-19, 02:09 PM

Quotes

In a cosmopolitan, tolerant Europe, one should not have the choice to not discriminate against the non-voter. - Not by Willy Brandt.

Nobody gets born and has a desire to vote. - Not by Nelson Mandela.

You do not have to trust us, because we do not promise you anything anyway.

You saw a clip by the Nonvoter party. The party is not responsible for the content of this spot.

ikalugin

05-25-19, 04:08 PM

Was the German proposal to force companies to build backdoors into their products (ie whatsup) discussed?

Skybird

05-25-19, 04:54 PM

Bundestrojaner, enforced decryption of Whatsapp et. al. and backdoors in software - something like these is in the making everywhere, all the time. Nobody cares. Its more important for the kids to have partytime every Friday and feel very important while they boycot one fifth of their weekly school schedules. :doh:

Catfish

05-31-19, 03:04 PM

Angela Merkel awarded honorary degree from US Harvard University
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/german-chancellor-angela-merkel-awarded-a-harvard-honorary-degree

Skybird

05-31-19, 05:06 PM

Birds of same feather flock together.

Jimbuna

06-04-19, 01:38 PM

German police have begun a murder investigation after a long-time member of Chancellor Angela Merkel's party was shot dead outside his home.

Walter Lubcke, 65, was discovered in his garden in the early hours of Sunday morning with a gunshot wound to the head that was "fired at close range", prosecutors have said.

A motive has not yet been established. Suicide has been ruled out.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/popular-politician-killed-after-being-shot-in-head-outside-home/ar-AACn9vc?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=mailsignout

Tragic :nope:

Catfish

06-04-19, 01:53 PM

Thank you for your sympathy.

I already wanted to post this but in all this other news.. Luebcke has obviously made himself some enemies when publicly defending those immigrants in Germany who deserve the fugitive status. He had also criticized the german AfD party.

In case of Jo Cox it most probably was a 'lunatic' who killed her, i am not so sure here. The german right wing is celebrating, not only online. :nope:
Imho this is what happens if you give the far right only a bit too much leeway.

Google tranlate, but abysmal translation - sorry.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fr.de%2Fmeinung%2Fkreisverband-verhoehnt-getoeteten-politiker-luebcke-12347641.html

mapuc

06-04-19, 01:59 PM

Skybird

06-04-19, 07:11 PM

As I use to tell my Danish and Swedish friends.

If you dislike a politician you shall not harm this person in any way, its better you convince his or her supporters they should put their vote on a someone else.

Markus
Easier said than done. Does not work this way in 9 out of 10 attempts - if that many.

Reason gets hopelessly overestimated as a source for our future fate. Most people run by instincts, hormones, greed, and - intense but shallow - emotions.

Skybird

06-05-19, 04:26 PM

In lack of a better thread/place, I place this here, Germany at least also is affected by it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-03/center-isnt-holding-europe

Skybird

06-18-19, 07:20 AM

Tragic :nope:
A suspect has been arrested, former NPD member and a rNazi, it seems.

However, why did it get this far? The truth of this case is not cokpelte if not considering why Lübke, the murder victim, was hated with such passion. Lübke, a Merkel-loyal CDU man, in 2015 stood himself in front of a CDU embers assembly and said that now these many foreigners were coming and that it were the duty of germany to welcome them "no matter what" and how many - and if some of the local natives did not like it, then they should pack their thigns and stuff and leave Germany, it were a free country and nobody would hold them back.

If you stand in front of he booing audience of a main party and deliver a basta!-speech like this that drips of arrogance and moral supremacism and lacking understanding for the alarmed mood of native German citizens, then you should not be surprised that in case of your death not many people will shed a single tear over you.

This much I say: I do not miss him.

Catfish

06-18-19, 08:15 AM

"Wir werden sie jagen" (Alexander Gauland, AfD)

Chronology of a hunt, first in the "social" media, then in reality (translation by Google):
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpanorama%2Fjustiz %2Ffall-walter-luebcke-in-kassel-chronologie-einer-hetzjagd-im-netz-a-1272968.html

Jimbuna

06-18-19, 08:49 AM

Is the price of a human life worth paying though?

If the suspect is found guilty I hope it will bring some form of closure to the victims family.

Skybird

06-18-19, 10:00 AM

Is the price of a human life worth paying though?

If the suspect is found guilty I hope it will bring some form of closure to the victims family.
How much is a country or a culture allowed to be destroyed to save just a single human's life? Does a life justify to drive a whokle ciontient against the wall?

A life is precious. The human dignity is untouchable, says the first article of the German Basic Law. But I insist on that a single human life is not the navel of the universe.

Its a thing with huge ethical implications, I know it, and you know it as well. But I refuse to put the single life always ahead of all and everythign else, as if nothing and nobody else would exist. A cynic would argue the other way around: with 7.8 billion people on Earth and over 10 billion soon, one life more or less does not matter, the Earth would benefit if it were several billions less.

BTW, I doubt that this single murder will change anything. I want to express that if you push through in a pseudo-totalitarian style your command-policy in an arrogant and haughty style like Merkel'S regime did since 2015, you shall not complain about your harvest being according to how you sowed. The rise of the AFD is part of that harvest, the massive fall of CDU and SPD is another one. And single individuals ticking out and going on killing sprees is also part of it. The only surprise is that somethign like this happened just so late.

What many establishment politicians still have not understood is that there lies a huge danger in the burgeoise middle ground of society more and more tolerating right extremists taking over the role of confronting the regime, since th e4tr9ojdmnaryx citgizen sees that his concerns and hios opinion doe snot get accepted by the estabölishment and the regime heads instead just push thrpough their agenda, no matter what. They contin ue no matter what the spoial middle class thinks of it, becasue said estalbishement canot im,agien that one doers not agree in finding it so fantastic and greta that one would not agree with it. "We are too fanatstric as if one could not love uzs",m is the regime motto, it seems. No wonder then that a silent tolerance for more drastic forms of expressing resistance and rejection grows all around, and becomes en vogue again. Meanwhile, the official regime propaganda slogans more and more almost perfectly copy the slogans and synatx as last heard in the paroles as common in the GDR.

We are heading into a massive clash.

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The deed wa smurder, and the opffender should be punsihed accoprding to the laws for murder. But while I have no personal sympathy for him, in this case I also have no sympathy for his victim.