Europe's migrant problem

[Betonov]

:har:

It seems that the problem might solve itself :doh: :)

If Germany is worse than Iraq and SLovenia is worse than Germany :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:

[Schroeder]

Refugees buying one-way tickets home after finding Germany intolerable (http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-germany-refugees-20160301-story.html)



:har:
I especially liked this:"The food was terrible, so disgusting that not even animals should be fed it. They made us sleep in these cold, empty buildings and when someone said they were sick, they just ignored us. You could feel it everywhere that Germans looked down at us like we were bums."

Come here by the millions and expect a luxury hotel and first class food. A lot of the helpers in refugee institutions are volunteers who sacrifice their spare time to help people in need for FREE and who are close to exhaustion by now and that ungrateful prick claims that he was looked down upon and that the food wasn't good and uhhhhh little princess had to sleep in an empty building. Maybe he should go to Poland or Hungary, then he'll know what it feels like being looked down upon. Good riddance.:nope:


If Germany is worse than Iraq and SLovenia is worse than Germany :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:
You have a Kukri, you will survive.;)

[Betonov]

You have a Kukri, you will survive.;)

Aber natürlich.
And an impecable knowledge of the local terrain that gave your ancestors quite a lot of problems 70 years ago :03:

We should let them leave if they don't like it.
Maybe they'll start blabbinb about what ahell hole we are and detter the rest of them from coming.

[Jimbuna]

EU to unveil emergency aid plan.

The European Union is preparing to spend hundreds of millions of euros on humanitarian aid, as Greece struggles to cope with an influx of migrants.
Under plans to be submitted on Wednesday, EU funds could be deployed within Europe in the same way they are used to help crises outside the bloc.
The UN has warned of a humanitarian disaster caused by a build-up of migrants on Greece's borders.
Thousands of asylum seekers remain trapped on the border with Macedonia.
The plan to be submitted by the EU's executive body, the European Commission, means EU aid agencies would for the first time work directly with the UN and other groups inside Europe, rather than disbursing money to individual member states.
EU officials said the aid plan would allocate 300m euros (£233m; $325m) this year to help any EU state deal with the migration crisis. In all, 700m euros would be made available over three years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35703467

[U505995]

I wonder why they didn't set up refugee camps in Syrian and Iraqi areas that weren't under threat and deal with them there.

[MaDef]

I wonder why they didn't set up refugee camps in Syrian and Iraqi areas that weren't under threat and deal with them there.Think it through, once the aid camps were up and running the bad guys would use it as a base for rest/resupply all on someone else's dime. so what are you actually accomplishing other than removing the immediate problem of dealing with refugees inside your borders? Until the fighting stops in that region the problem won't be fixed. The way I see it there are 2 options to "solve" the refugee problem and neither one will be particularly palatable to most.

1. Repatriate refugees to their country of origin and tell them to get their own house in order.

2. Repatriate refugees to their country of origin and put their house in order for them.

To sum it up. The refugees are a symptom of a problem, you need to solve the problem first, then you can deal appropriately with the refugees.

(I tend to think faster than I type, and a message forum isn't the best medium to discuss complex issues without a wall of text, so before you castigate me, understand I've probably already run through a majority of the buts/what ifs.)

[Dan D]

The upcoming EU-Turkey refugee summit in March should be interesting.

If Merkels plan A (http://eumigrationlawblog.eu/beyond-dublin-merkels-vision-of-eu-asylum-policy) should fail, then plan B (http://eumigrationlawblog.eu/moving-towards-plan-b-the-rejection-of-refugees-at-the-border) may come into effect, or even plan C: Germany closes its borders, too.

[Betonov]

I Germany closes it's borders, Austria will.
That means we have to close border ONE WEEK PRIOR, or else the overflow will happen here.

[Betonov]

The region is still smoldering.
The pressure of the Balkan route could spark another conflict. Right now Slovenia and Macedonia are taking the brunt of it and as soon as Austria closes up, Slovenia will follow, so will Croatia and then we're left with Bosnia that can't take care of it's own people.

[Catfish]

.[..] To sum it up. The refugees are a symptom of a problem, you need to solve the problem first, then you can deal appropriately with the refugees.

Exactly. Refugees are the symptom. But the countries having caused the initial desease, do not show much will to cure it, and do not show much energy against the symptoms either.
Other than to leave this embarrassing outcome to others.

Bush once called the nations supporting the invasion of Iraq the "coalition of the willing". If i remember right, Poland was a member, too, like the UK. And Turkey, and Poland, and Romania, and Denmark ... not Germany, and not France. Which is why "Pommes Frites" have been renamed to "Freedom fries", if i remember right. I guess we were the Nazis, as usual.

Now it is the the coalition of the unwilling.

[Jimbuna]

Turkey probably holds the only tangible hope atm but I'm not overly sure they actually want to.

[Rockstar]

Exactly. Refugees are the symptom. But the countries having caused the initial desease, do not show much will to cure it, and do not show much energy against the symptoms either.
Other than to leave this embarrassing outcome to others.

Bush once called the nations supporting the invasion of Iraq the "coalition of the willing". If i remember right, Poland was a member, too, like the UK. And Turkey, and Poland, and Romania, and Denmark ... not Germany, and not France. Which is why "Pommes Frites" have been renamed to "Freedom fries", if i remember right. I guess we were the Nazis, as usual.

Now it is the the coalition of the unwilling.


I suppose that could be a valid arguement if all of the refugees were just coming from Syria and Iraq which you claim Germany and France have nothing to do with. But how do you explain or where do you place blame for those coming from Afghanistan, Sudan, Pakistan, Eritrea, Libya, Morroco and other countries jail cells?

Here's a few symptoms you brought on yourselves: It was your government that pretty much put the word out on the street "we welcome refugees" that got these people flowing to Europe for a free ride and photo ops with your chancellor at the expense of German tax payers. And if this open door immigration policy really does have something to do with declining birth rates and creating a larger German workforce why isnt Germany more selective in its hiring process?

[MaDef]

Exactly. Refugees are the symptom. But the countries having caused the initial desease, do not show much will to cure it, and do not show much energy against the symptoms either.
Other than to leave this embarrassing outcome to others.

Bush once called the nations supporting the invasion of Iraq the "coalition of the willing". If i remember right, Poland was a member, too, like the UK. And Turkey, and Poland, and Romania, and Denmark ... not Germany, and not France. Which is why "Pommes Frites" have been renamed to "Freedom fries", if i remember right. I guess we were the Nazis, as usual.

Now it is the the coalition of the unwilling.You'll get no argument from me on that point, The U.S. is currently doing nothing more in the region other than maintaining the current "status Quo", and until she decides whether she's going to fish or cut bait, the EU is going to have a refugee problem. It might behoove Europe to put more pressure on the U.S. to jump start the process.

as an aside: any EU country that didn't see the mass exodus out of North Africa and the Middle East back in 2011 was napping.

[Catfish]

@Rockstar;
Hey i was in the midst of a good rant, don't rain in my parade :03::D

I suppose that could be a valid arguement if all of the refugees were just coming from Syria and Iraq which you claim Germany and France have nothing to do with. But how do you explain or where do you place blame for those coming from Afghanistan, Sudan, Pakistan, Eritrea, Libya, Morroco and other countries jail cells?

?
http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/154287/umfrage/hauptherkunftslaender-von-asylbewerbern/

https://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/DE/Downloads/Infothek/Statistik/Asyl/statistik-anlage-teil-4-aktuelle-zahlen-zu-asyl.pdf?__blob=publicationFile


You are of course right if you say that it was our government, which "... pretty much put the word out on the street "we welcome refugees" that got these people flowing to Europe for a free ride and photo ops with your chancellor at the expense of German tax payers."

I take it there are two major reasons the CDU party did what it did (it wasn't Angela Merkel alone, even if some within the party oppose her).

First, there still is the historic malus of the 3rd Reich, so Germany does not want to be put in the Nazi corner again.
(I could say it does not matter what we do 'cause we will of course always be "the Nazis", look at the "Sun" and some "patriotic" foreigners.)
But, guaranteeing fugitives shelter against suppression and threat of being killed is a treaty not Germany alone has signed. No one would say that Syrians from e.g. Aleppo are not under a very direct threat.

Second, skilled foreigners are indeed welcomed in Germany. There is a lack of such here. Indirectly different cultures also add to a cultural enrichment, with fresh ideas and a different take on certain problems.
There will always be violators and idiots, but if you look at criminal statistics there is no significant rise in foreign crime.

Media love to blow things up out of proportion and bad news is good news for them, but everyone should be aware that every crime committted by a foreigner is being shown publicly, in every broadcast and as an example, while the good old native german robbers, rapers and thieves do what they ever did without getting the attention they deserve.

The problem Merkel and her supporters have is the public opinion, which can so easily be manipulated by right wingers.

[Schroeder]

Media love to blow things up out of proportion and bad news is good news for them, but everyone should be aware that every crime committted by a foreigner is being shown publicly, in every broadcast and as an example, while the good old native german robbers, rapers and thieves do what they ever did without getting the attention they deserve.

Strange, to me it looked to be the other way around. Police stations usually didn't mention the nationality or ethnicity of a suspect out of fear of being labeled racist.
May I ask where that info comes from that the media doesn't publish "German" crimes while going for foreign ones only?:06:

[Catfish]

I expect indeed that the crime rate has risen, and it has a lot to do with immigrants. I have talked to several policemen, and the truth is between the lines.. they are being requested to thoroughly examine what they tell the media, however this does not mean that they lie.

https://guidograndt.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/tabuthema-auslanderkriminalitat-die-fakten/

http://www.strafrecht-wi.de/auslaenderkriminalitaet/

https://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/Sind-Asylbewerber-krimineller-als-Deutsche,kriminalitaet234.html

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/weniger-wohlwollen-fuer-fluechtlinge-forscher-migranten-sind-kaum-krimineller-als-einheimische-deutsche_id_5260013.html

http://zddk.eu/groups/berichte-von-externen-websites/forum/topic/welle-von-vergewaltigungen-durch-migranten/

For every link denying foreign crimes, you can find two that tell you the govenment is lying and "they" try to sweep it all under the carpet. But unfortunately those last-mentioned links mostly use words like "Lügenpresse", AfD, "Überfremdung" etc.
(B.t.w. the word "Lügenpresse" was invented and used by Mr. Goebbels, to discredit the press that was not in line with the NSDAP. When i read this word, just like a political "Bewegung", i become either very reluctant or "aggressiv großdeutsch", ABER IM KAISERLICHEN SINN)

Organized crime has always been the main problem, it is indeed rising and being dominated by people from abroad. Most come from Latvia and Turkey, but it is organized cime that is active since decades, and does not consist of refugees.


And then, there's the Islamophobia Industry, like that notorious Gladstone institute:
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/notorious-islamophobic-think-tank-inspiring-more-far-right-terrorism
We can thank institutes like that for the daily hubbub we can read in the western press, about our immigrant problems. Of course, they do NOT see it as their's.

[mapuc]

I have always said we are not at war against Islam, but against the radical Islam.

The latest happenings, have made me wonder, if these radical or ordinary Muslims are not doing everything they can to provoke a religious war not only against them self(a religious civil war) but also a war against the West and our way of living

On Danish TV a undercover Muslim has shown that even in these moderate Mosque their Imam is preaching hate and other subversive the their members

Markus

[Nippelspanner]

I have always said we are not at war against Islam, but against the radical Islam.
Where's the difference?

Islam = Quran
Quran = Sharia
Sharia = Radical

There's no such thing as non-radical Islam. There's Islam and that's it.

[Reece]

That's right!!:yep: Carry on dudes!!:salute:

[Rockstar]

Gladstone, alternet, news paper, media oulets, phobias are not going to drive young muslims to radical imans.

Whats going to drive them to your socalled radical islam are those who open the door to an uncontrolled flood of refugees. Enticing them with the promise of jobs, homes and handouts. However when these young impressionable refugees arrive and find out there are no jobs and only tent cities and slums to live in. Then problems will arise.

[August]

Gladstone, alternet, news paper, media oulets, phobias are not going to drive young muslims to radical imans.

Whats going to drive them to your socalled radical islam are those who open the door to an uncontrolled flood of refugees. Enticing them with the promise of jobs, homes and handouts. However when these young impressionable refugees arrive and find out there are no jobs and only tent cities and slums to live in. Then problems will arise.

The question is who is doing the enticing? I doubt agents of the German government are circulating through ME refugee camps handing out invitations,... are they?

[Rockstar]

You could say that. A great many suffering from guilt trips are waving them in left and right.

Its wonderful here, look at our way of life, be a part of it, everyone is invited they say.

Yippee say the migrants lets all go to this place in the middle of europe where we'll be loved and cared for by the friendliest people we have ever known who feel so guilty for what their fathers did and want to share with us their home

They are greeted and showered with flowers by all these people so happy with themselves for being so friendly and talkng about how friendly they are and pointing out to the migrants how evil industries of hate are hating because they are questioning motives of all the friendly people. When the celebration is over and they are finished patting each other on the back for inviting this great mass of people, its time to go home.

Well the friendliest bunch of people who love to talk about how they love the world and how fun it would be if everyone could sit around the campfire and sing kumbyaa all sneak out the back door hoping not to be seen and followed to their beautiful homes on top of green hills far away from the troubles sometimes found in the inner city or across the tracks. Off they go finally hopping into their big cushy beds so they can dream dreams about how great the world would be if only everyone else was as friendly as them.

And the migrants? Well, the migrants they get to go to their slummy little tent city the worlds most friendliest people ever in the whole wide world designed for them and wait for someone else to come along who might actually have a clue what to do next. Having been duped by the worlds most friendliest people into beliving life was actually going to be better. They stand around scratching their heads wondering where did the worlds friendliest people in the whole wide world go? Asking amongst themselves will we see them again? Who will help us? Then out of the blue a lone voice says I know lets all go down and see the local iman. He'll help us, he'll tell us what we should do where to find purpose and jobs.

Of course when someone eventually straps a vest on and blows up a community. There will be the worlds most friendliest people once again standing tall standing proud accusing anyone who questioned their motives and friendliness as the hateful industry of hate and the real reason for this crime because they were not friendly enough.

OK thats enough beer Im going to bed now.

fixed

[Jimbuna]

The bigger medium to large term worry has to be how those who's asylum applications fail are to be repatriated.

[Rockstar]

The bigger medium to large term worry has to be how those who's asylum applications fail are to be repatriated.

Well it would be easier if the authorities had a clue where the heck they disappeared too.

[mapuc]

Be free to correct my if I'm wrong or have been thinking in a wrong way

Refugee versus Immigrants

Refugee is a person, who before he, she or they became a refugee, had absolutely no thoughts of leaving the ground/country he, she is living in/on

Due to some unexpected incident-War, disaster etc he, she or they have to leave the place- They do not travel longer away than to the nearest Country or a second country. He, she or they stay there in hope of coming back to their home again.

Immigrants- Is a person who mostly comes from areas where there's no war, disaster etc-They Seek either a better economical life and or a safe haven- This safe haven, is more those who from the beginning was a refugee but have started to take the long road to some Western country.

Markus

[mapuc]

It is from all the story I have heard throughout the migrant problem we have

Many stay in these refugee camp

Those who take the long road to a western country
Only 1 out of 10 or was it 20 is a real refugee rest is an economical immigrant

And some stories from people living in these camps

"I hope that I can return to my town/country/home soon"

And from immigrant camp in Greece- "I wanna go to Germany because I come from Syria I must go to Germany"

This is why I came up with this different between a refugee and immigrant.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

You get a fair few in the holding camps, most of them in Kent, the conditions there are...not brilliant. A lot of them have no nationality any more, their home country revokes their passport and sends them straight back on the next plane. :/\\!!

That makes them a stateless person and is unlawful but unfortunately the country trying to send them back to the country who refuses to recognise them is the party breaking the law :doh:

[tomfon]

mapuc's post was an inspiration for doing a bit of research.

So, according to the 1951 Refugee Convention of the UN someone is considered to be a refugee if they are "... forced to flee because of a threat of persecution and because they lack the protection of their own country." An immigrant, on the other hand may leave for reasons not related to persecution (of any form, i guess).

What's more, it seems that refugees are entitled to some very fundamental & elementary rights:

•The right not to be expelled, except under certain, strictly defined conditions (Article 32).
• The right not to be punished for illegal entry into the territory of a contracting State (Article 31).
• The right to work (Articles 17 to 19).
• The right to housing (Article 21).
• The right to education (Article 22).
• The right to public relief and assistance (Article 23).
• The right to freedom of religion (Article 4).
• The right to access the courts (Article 16).
• The right to freedom of movement within the territory (Article 26) and
• The right to be issued identity and travel documents (Articles 27 and 28).

So says the law...

References: 1951 Refugee Convention -FAQ (http://www.unhcr.org/4ec262df9.html) - Convention & Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. (http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html)

[Skybird]

^Some of those rights are violations of natural rights of hosting nations and people already living there.

I stick to it: NOBODY can have the right to move just anywhere and demand to be fully accepted and allowed to freely move inside that place if it already is inhibited and is claimed possession.

From a libertarian POV, only the question of whether socalled states/nations can have any right to claim a country/place/land "theirs", is valid for discussion. This is debatable since states cannot claim possession of anything that not before at any point of history they have not stolen and robbed from free people.

Nobody shall or must be demanded to live for the sake of somebody else. Even the duties of parents towards their own children sooner or later come to an end, when the chiuldren start to lie an adult life of their own. Demanding that people should live for the needs of others, is nothing else but the declaration of a state of slavery again. You can only voluntarily decide to do so for yourself. It compares to the immorality of trying to blackmail somebody for solidarity. Enforced solidarity, enforced help, is not solidarity, is not help. Its force.

At just another EU summit Turkey demand free visas for its people into the EU. And the Germans signal willingness to allow Greece another bailout. The delusive semblance must be kept at all cost, even if the costs are too high. Same song as always. Its so tiring.

[mapuc]

Reading Skybird post

I remember some article where some of our weak people who have been waiting for an apartment or so, suddenly have been moved back in the queue because some refugee or claiming to be a refugee has got this apartment or similar(mostly a house bought by the municipality)

Markus

[August]

• The right to work (Articles 17 to 19).
• The right to housing (Article 21).
• The right to education (Article 22).
• The right to public relief and assistance (Article 23).
• The right to freedom of religion (Article 4).
• The right to access the courts (Article 16).
• The right to freedom of movement within the territory (Article 26) and
• The right to be issued identity and travel documents (Articles 27 and 28).


That sure sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

[August]

Indeed, and all you need to do to get it is live in a warzone. :up:

Or claim you did. :)

[Betonov]

To be honest, you could probably claim it from living in the US during election season. :hmmm:

Or a US high school at any season

[August]

Exaggerate much?

[MaDef]

Or a US high school at any seasonAny retail store on Black Friday. :D

[tomfon]

^Some of those rights are violations of natural rights of hosting nations and people already living there.

I'm not quite sure i follow you.

During WWII almost 60 million people became refugees and i'm pretty sure they violated someone else's rights in an attempt to reach safety... The Articles of the Convention refer to a migrant crisis ; i.e. a massive displacement of people who flee their country in a desperate attempt to seek shelter (however far they would have to go). So we're not talking about someone who parks his car right in front of your doorstep or someone who suddenly decides to jump to the front of a long queue simply because he felt like doing so. We're talking about ordinary people engaged into an extra-ordinary situation: That of losing their home & family because the whole country is partly a warzone and partly a nest of extremists. What should one expect from them? Grace and consistency?

For too long the West has intervened in the Middle East and its affairs but somehow the leaders failed to foresee that the destabilization of a whole region will ultimately have an impact on their own countries! This very simple truth is the primary lesson they should have learned right after 9/11. Paris attack(s), is the proof they didn't, again & again. Is it stupidity? Is it the lack of a serious strategy? I wouldn't know. What i know is that, now each refugee is a living proof and a constant reminder of that failure, for one more time... The tragedy of the refugees became a European problem - and in my opinion, they knew all about it since early 2015 or even earlier. So i guess that we may ignore reality but we can't ignore the consequences. I take it you'd agree with that. In other words, when it rains, you will get wet. Given the scale of the problem, i believe that we should carefully consider how the rain started in the first place.

[Betonov]

Exaggerate much?

a little

Any retail store on Black Friday. :D

I remember when the first Hoffer opened in Slovenia.
People stampeded like mad just to buy TV sets €30 cheaper that were a fire hazzard :dead:



Something weird is happening in Slovenia. In the last few weeks 3 teens have gone missing. The anti-migrant spin doctors are already scaring the population silly.
I somehow doubt that polynesian cannibals are among the migrants.

[Catfish]

^ No, they are syrian cannibals.
Ask Trump.

[mapuc]

^ No, they are syrian cannibals.
Ask Trump.

No they are hiding and wait for a chance to buy a cheap TV.

Markus

[Catfish]

^ and they all want the new iPhone ..

[mapuc]

Right now there is a series of 4 episodes that have been recorded with a hidden camera. This Muslim worked undercover for a Danish TV channel. Until now it has been shown 3 episode

In the latest episode you can see and hear the imam on hidden camera saying
that Muslims are "conquering" Europe and that Muslims should not melt into society


The Danish Politicians and others who have been speaking only positive things about the Muslims are in deep shock. After this Danish TV-Channel have shown these episode of a the real life in a mosque.

The program have been recorded in Mosque who by these politicians been marked as moderate.

Markus

[Skybird]

I'm not quite sure i follow you.

During WWII almost 60 million people became refugees and i'm pretty sure they violated someone else's rights in an attempt to reach safety... The Articles of the Convention refer to a migrant crisis ; i.e. a massive displacement of people who flee their country in a desperate attempt to seek shelter (however far they would have to go). So we're not talking about someone who parks his car right in front of your doorstep or someone who suddenly decides to jump to the front of a long queue simply because he felt like doing so. We're talking about ordinary people engaged into an extra-ordinary situation: That of losing their home & family because the whole country is partly a warzone and partly a nest of extremists. What should one expect from them? Grace and consistency?

For too long the West has intervened in the Middle East and its affairs but somehow the leaders failed to foresee that the destabilization of a whole region will ultimately have an impact on their own countries! This very simple truth is the primary lesson they should have learned right after 9/11. Paris attack(s), is the proof they didn't, again & again. Is it stupidity? Is it the lack of a serious strategy? I wouldn't know. What i know is that, now each refugee is a living proof and a constant reminder of that failure, for one more time... The tragedy of the refugees became a European problem - and in my opinion, they knew all about it since early 2015 or even earlier. So i guess that we may ignore reality but we can't ignore the consequences. I take it you'd agree with that. In other words, when it rains, you will get wet. Given the scale of the problem, i believe that we should carefully consider how the rain started in the first place.

Yes, as always its all just our own fault and our own responsibility. Who else, if not us.

Meanwhile Certzainb 'Muslim states spend hundreds of millions into missionising centres in Europe and billions into Muslim terrorism - while refusing to give a damn for their precious Muslim brothers and sisters.

By the way, your precious subscription for paradise (international laws) on this case only state that neighbouring states should give shelter to war refugees. A general right for these people to choose the country they want to be hospitalised and hosted by, does not exist. EU treaties also do not state such a right. One can opt to support neighbouring states, such as Jordan , Egypt, etc etc, do do that: by collecting private donations and transfer them. But I wonder why I should, doing that when at the same time rich Muslims states care a damn for their precious Muslim brothers and sisters and instead invest hundreds of millions per year into raising Muslim missionising centres and Islam centres in Europe and investing billions into global Muslim terrorism. Indirectly I would financially invest into Muslim terrorism and missionsing that way.

Ralph Waldo Emerson, and one of his best and most famous essays: On Self- Reliance:

"Then again, do not tell me, as a good man did today, of my obligation to put all poor men in good situations. Are they my poor? I tell thee, thou foolish philanthropist, that I grudge the dollar, the dime, the cent I give to such men as do not belong to me and to whom I do not belong. There is a class of persons to whom by all spiritual affinity I am bought and sold; for them I will go to prison if need be; but your miscellaneous popular charities; the education at college of fools; the building of meeting-houses to the vain end to which many now stand; alms to sots; and the thousandfold Relief Societies; -- though I confess with shame I sometimes succumb and give the dollar, it is a wicked dollar, which by and by I shall have the manhood to withhold."

I love RWE, and this essay especially.

Just so that you know: my father's family were refugees, too. And the biggest sub-group of people in Germany complaining about germany'S undiscriminatory migration policy - is that minority amongst Muslim migrants who indeed integrated themselves into German society and culture over the past 20-40 years. The majority of Muslim migrants in germany - are net receivers of social wellfare even after decades the families are here now. And Germany, different to what is said, doe snot have net treasury for free, we have no money. We have debts - debts, and more of the same. Explicit debts are ~85% of the yearly GDP last year. Implicit debts already now are calculated to be in the most likely range of 400-800% most likely. The costs of the migrants coming in 2015 alone, got calculated to be many hundreds of billions. Including all the follow-on-costs after same ratios of failed and successful integration acctrdpi8ng to the examples set by Muslim migrants we already have, are calculated to be close to one trillion until 2030. These masses of people coming and having nothing to offer that is needed in germany, will cost us tremendously. And this will make itself felt sooner or later.

If foreign markets collapse and German exports falter, many of those few migrants who in 6-8 years will have integrated into the job world, will lose their jobs and become social wellfare receivers again.

I totally reject any moral obligation that nevertheless we "must" accept this. We must not.

[Dowly]

Meanwhile in Sweden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jpuXJPk0w

I do hope they guy who intervened is ok. :dead:

[Nippelspanner]

Meanwhile in Sweden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jpuXJPk0w

I do hope they guy who intervened is ok. :dead:
I don't see the problem.
That was hardly worth mentioning.
These poor people need our help and tolerance.
And everyone knows these "no-go-zones" are right wing propaganda.
The perpetrators in this video are either misunderstood or hired to act out.

Clearly this video doesn't portray the reality of what's going on daily all across Europe Dowly. :shifty:


In other words, when I see such things, I get really sad. :-?

[Dowly]

Meanwhile in Finland, the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE) together with the creators of a 90s Finnish sketch show "Kummeli" have decided to remove the "Aziz the combat fighter" segments from the show which is now available through YLE's streaming service. The reason YLE gave was "to not offend anyone in light of the recent terrorist attacks" (paraphrasing).

What was so bad about the segments? It made fun of terrorists. :doh:

You can view them here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyHXHAs0DCI

[Schroeder]

Meanwhile in Finland, the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE) together with the creators of a 90s Finnish sketch show "Kummeli" have decided to remove the "Aziz the combat fighter" segments from the show which is now available through YLE's streaming service. The reason YLE gave was "to not offend anyone in light of the recent terrorist attacks" (paraphrasing).

What was so bad about the segments? It made fun of terrorists. :doh:

You can view them here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyHXHAs0DCI
Maybe April 1st joke?:hmm2:

[Dowly]

Maybe April 1st joke?:hmm2:Unfortunately, that is not the case. YLE confirmed it yesterday via twitter.

[Schroeder]

BE DEUTSCH!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQkV5cTuoY
You know what I like about the video? They claim to be super tolerant but only if you share their believes otherwise you become "penetration face" etc... Long live hypocrisy.:rock:

[Dowly]

You know what I like about the video? They claim to be super tolerant but only if you share their believes otherwise you become "penetration face" etc... Long live hypocrisy.:rock:
Yes, that is the ironic part. Tolerant people tend not to be so tolerant towards those who oppose their view(s).

In Finland, you could literally call them a bunch of clowns, as there was, in response to Soldiers of Odin, a group dressed in clown suits called Loldiers of Odin. Who tried to agitate and disrupt SoD's march which was not illegal.

Video of them in Tampere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n85LwLsvSfc

LoS' reprentives went then on to YLE morning TV to talk about their stunt and the moment a hard question was put to them ("Do you not make fun of also those women who have been raped on the street?") they rode with their stick horses around the studio.

Video of them in the studio, right after the question was asked:
https://youtu.be/R0rbHQK8rmg?t=220

Even the guy asks: Are you evading the question?
They never answered.

[Betonov]

The far left can be as bad as the far right. :nope:

[Schroeder]

Yes, that is the ironic part. Tolerant people tend not to be so tolerant towards those who oppose their view(s).
.
.
.
Even the guy asks: Are you evading the question?
They never answered.
It's also funny that they have to rely on garbage information just as much as the far right. In the video for example you can see a Muslim and a Jew hugging each other while in reality the central council of the Jews over here has recently advised Jewish people to not wear their Kipas or let them in any other way be identified as Jews in public because of the massive wave of antisemitism that we've just recently imported.

But keep on dreaming guys, nothing to see "penetration face"!:yeah:

BTW Sailor Steve can now ease up on the "family friendly forum" rule as the video clearly shows that 8 year old girls already throw pretty nasty words around. So no need anymore to censor that stuff here.:yeah:

[Sailor Steve]

BTW Sailor Steve can now ease up on the "family friendly forum" rule as the video clearly shows that 8 year old girls already throw pretty nasty words around. So no need anymore to censor that stuff here.:yeah:
I didn't write the rule. Why don't you convince the forum owner to change it? Until that happens, the rule stands as written.

[Schroeder]

I didn't write the rule. Why don't you convince the forum owner to change it? Until that happens, the rule stands as written.
That was tongue in cheek criticism against the language used in the video especially since they made a little girl say such things. ;)

[fumo30]

That was tongue in cheek criticism against the language used in the video especially since they made a little girl say such things. ;)

You were right that the kids at that age know all the swearing already, but Isn't it all the better not to encourage them using dirty words?

BTW, I don't believe little kids generally are interested simulation game forums at all. They hang on some other forums.

[Schroeder]

You were right that the kids at that age know all the swearing already, but Isn't it all the better not to encourage them using dirty words?

That's what I said. It was stupid to make such a young child use that sort of language in that video and I tried to use irony to point that out but I obviously failed.:/\\!!

[fumo30]

I tried to use irony to point that out but I obviously failed.:/\\!!

...Sorry, I wrote my post too hastily, I got your point.

[Sailor Steve]

I sometimes take things way to literally. Sorry.

Some people blame it on my German grandmother. :oops:

[fumo30]

Some people blame it on my German grandmother. :oops:

You scoundrel!:haha:

[Betonov]

Looks like a Slav has to show you how a joke is made

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12592262_1576916585970272_5155828141165351182_n.jp g?oh=1a6d932ab662beb28ac46d44cdaf92f6&oe=5779FDB2

[mapuc]

The far left can be as bad as the far right. :nope:

In Denmark there is a politician(Zenia Stampe) who have said that radical
right wing is far more dangerous to Denmark and Europe than radical Islam is.

Markus

[Nippelspanner]

I didn't write the rule. Why don't you convince the forum owner to change it? Until that happens, the rule stands as written.
I guess he mentions you because you are the only one who takes this rule serious. I have never seen anyone else handing out an infraction for someone "masking" a bad word every 6yo knows these days and Subsim is full with abbreviations for common swear words, or masking...

You are right however, rules are rules...

[Sailor Steve]

I guess he mentions you because you are the only one who takes this rule serious. I have never seen anyone else handing out an infraction for someone "masking" a bad word every 6yo knows these days and Subsim is full with abbreviations for common swear words, or masking...
Maybe you're right. We'll see how it goes.

You are right however, rules are rules...
You keep saying that, usually after you complain about it. Still, as I said, you may be right.

[Nippelspanner]

Maybe you're right. We'll see how it goes.


You keep saying that, usually after you complain about it. Still, as I said, you may be right.
I keep saying that because it is the truth and you don't do anything wrong. If the rules are strict and you enforce them, you can hardly be blamed.

I don't complain about you - I just like to bitch about Subsim's rules as I believe they are way too strict. It makes perfect sense to keep this place rather clean, but handing out infractions for someone "masking" words, I mean...what? That doesn't make any sense at all.
If I say F... ! and get punished for it, I don't feel it is justified. Because this abbreviation could mean a lot. Of course it means something specific - but if a person knows that anyways, like the always mentioned children (what child browses this board!?), I wonder why it is still a problem when a kid knows these words anyways (and kids today do... except maybe home-schooled and living in isolation... sooooo... home-schooled).

What if I say "N-Word"? Is that infraction-worthy as well because I 'masked' a bad word? Well then how could one ever talk about this? One could never post in the GT section stuff like "Wow, today at the gas station that lady went apes.... (see?) and threw lots of n-words around just because bla bla... story ends..."

*infraction!*

Maybe I'm missing something, but from my PoV this kind of rule doesn't make any sense at all and reminds me of this 911 dispatcher who repeatedly hung up on a young girl calling in because her dad had a heart attack - because she said "f......g" at the start of the conversation, not knowing she is already through.

Just my 2 cents on this derailment (sorry for that... but I feel this is rather important)

[Catfish]

@Mapuc
your danish politician is right, "the right" is much more a menace than 0,3 percent fugitives. And may i note it does not speak of much self confidence to be afraid of that. When talking about all people of muslim faith being dangerous and potential terrorists, and the latter being so backwards, may i remind some here of what happened in Sebrenica not so long ago.
And you better mind your speech, the muslims in Germany become already afraid of their own muslim neighbours :03:

[Sailor Steve]

"Swearing" sub-topic continued here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=225446).

[August]

"Swearing" sub-topic continued here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=225446).

Off topic but your post reminded me of something.

You know what i'd like to see? Link titles like "here" display as underlined or bolded or otherwise highlighted so I don't have to mouse over to find them. It's easy to figure out where to click in your post of course but sometimes the link word or phrase gets hidden in the verbiage.

[Sailor Steve]

Off topic but your post reminded me of something.

You know what i'd like to see? Link titles like "here" display as underlined or bolded or otherwise highlighted so I don't have to mouse over to find them. It's easy to figure out where to click in your post of course but sometimes the link word or phrase gets hidden in the verbiage.
They are always underlined for me. I thought they were for everybody. Is it something in the settings?

[August]

They are always underlined for me. I thought they were for everybody. Is it something in the settings?

Dunno. I see those links as just regular text in at least two of the forum skins. I do see them underlined and colored either blue or violet in quoted text when i'm in the editing screen though.

[mapuc]

Following comment belong to our Immigration thread.

The situation at the border between Poland and Belarus is out of control.

I fear it will end with a war or clashes between these two countries.

Poland has asked EU for help. Well EU is very slow in making decisions and the members can't agree. So Poland is on their own in this.

Markus

[Skybird]

The eu migration policy is a joke and a display of insanity, based on unreal illusions and maximum demands towards others and maximum impotence displayed by oneself.

The migration policy alone already would be reason enough to dismantle the EU and laugh it to the cemetery of history.

The currency policy alone would be that, too.

The energy policy alone would be that, too.

The ecological mission alone of the saints at its helm would be reaosn for that, too.


All together is an overdose of comedy. We laugh Europe into its grave.

[Catfish]

Ask the polish PIS party what it intends to do, what it thinks about human rights and their "justice" system, throw them out of the EU and let them deal with the problem :D

[mapuc]

Ask the polish PIS party what it intends to do, what it thinks about human rights and their "justice" system, throw them out of the EU and let them deal with the problem :D

It's not only Poland who is having this problem.

Germany has it too. Each day around 1000 immigrants cross the border into Germany.

Markus

[Skybird]

God forbid somebody asks the EU for some sense of realism instead of just claiming demands to others and replacing realism with absolute morality! Wouldn't that be impertinent!

"Wer um zu helfen halb Kalkutta zu sich nach Hause einlädt, hilft nicht Kalkutta, sondern wird selbst zu Kalkutta." - Peter Scholl-Latour
[: Whoever invites half of Calcutta to his home to help, does not help Calcutta, but becomes Calcutta himself.]

[Catfish]

It's not only Poland who is having this problem.
Germany has it too. Each day around 1000 immigrants cross the border into Germany.
Markus
Yes, but i was not being really serious (see the Smiley). And there is also Lithuania of course..

If "we" (Europe) want to keep up the pretended moral highground or whatever it would be better to have a humane plan or strategy that deals with several problems, not only using "Frontex" to shut the borders; or pay dictators to hold back refugees.

[mapuc]

Yes the Lithuanians are fighting with the same problems.

Some hour ago I read on a Danish politicians wall(FB)

I'm going to ask the Danish Minister of Foreign Affairs what Denmark can do to help Poland and I don't want to hear-We must await EU.

Markus

[Skybird]

I see no realistic such plan. We cannot save all the world and shoulder all its burden. And we are also not all guilty for everything. And thus not all evils of the world are our responsibility.

We would have already both hands full with keeping our own houses in order. But not even that we get done. And even if we would do that in an ideal fashion I think it still would be greater a task, just this self-caring already, as that we could or should loaden all burdens of other people and cultures and regions and conflicts on our shoulders. And why should we even want to?

Nobody wants to see this, and thus the endless debates and discussions and talkings and blablabla. Evading the hard truths and evading getting our hands dirty in defending our legitimate selfinterests - by endlessly babbling.

Lady Word may not be more powerful than Mister Deed, but at least she surely can trip him up.

[Catfish]

@Mapuc: If there is, as you rightly wrote, more than one european country being involved with immigration problems, i take it a solo effort is not the way to solve this?

It is high time that Europe makes a plan of course. If all states here agree to general human rights of all members of mankind, you cannot easily switch to nationalism though and build walls. If Frontex rather lets people die than help them, where does this leave us?

[mapuc]

@Mapuc: If there is, as you rightly wrote, more than one european country being involved with immigration problems, i take it a solo effort is not the way to solve this?

It is high time that Europe makes a plan of course. If all states here agree to general human rights of all members of mankind, you cannot easily switch to nationalism though and build walls. If Frontex rather lets people die than help them, where does this leave us?

The name of the problem is Belarus.

They have opened a flight line between Baghdad and Minsk.
This is done due to the EU sanctions against Belarus.

They-Belarus use these immigrants/refugees as front soldiers.

Markus

[Skybird]

The only realistic plan can only be that states fall back to what their constitutional obligations are anyway and always have been: to protect their citizens and to safeguard their borders against unallowed trespassing. This is the only argument that could give even just a distant legitimation for the existence of "state".



And that includes the use of force. OF COURSE. If you rule out force, you already have lost, because you will get overwhelmed by sheer numbers and brain-free NGOs, they know you will not defend your borders or principles or yourself if only they show enough pressure on you. You loose.



Dirt on our hands. It will not work without it. It must not be liked. Its fully sufficient to just do it.

[mapuc]

I agree with Skybird on this issue.

Since EU can't gather an united voice against this immigration problems. Each member has to deal with the problem them self.

Sweden want other members to open their doors fully. Germany has the same politics If I remember correctly.

Denmark says they want EU to stop or lower the number of Immigrants entering EU each year.

Markus

[Skybird]

The EU is a hypocrite. It laments endlessly about human rights - and looks away when pushbacks at borders occur, since these in fact are highly welcomed. Many EUcrats have very well understood that they cannot let all these masses of foreigners in, but still they endlessly moralise about how necessarily it is to do right this. At home, when nobody sees them, they sigh in relief that some states keep the borders guarded and push the foreign masses back.

Its necessary to confront the stupid Zeitgeist and talk the talk where the deed already is: stop moralising and lecturing others how bad they are if they protect the borders, but saying loud and clear that this is what masses of foreign migrants - that want to blackmail European states with their sheer numbers and their mere presence - have to expect: that they will not be let in, no matter what.

"We are too many."

Belarus has lowered prices for air tickets by which migrants can fly towards the Polish border. Lukashenko has established an airline just to amass migrants in as huge numbers as possible at the border. The Polish speak of hybrid warfare. And they are right. Demography and migration are weapons of hybrid warfare. I say this since years.

And nobody has put in words what this actually implies. It means that Belarus already has declared and is waging war against several NATO members, and the EU.

Lets lower the iron curtain again. Stop forcing together what does not work well together. It makes no sense to state a border - and then not enforce it. Its a contradiction in itself.

[Kapitan]

If the EU doesn't do something as a collective then faith in the EU will diminish, not only that on the international stage it will bee seen as a weak union.
The current covid debacle with vaccine roll out etc with the EU and now immigration crisis in many countries will ultimately lead to the far right gaining traction and support.

I have seen this in Denmark and Sweden as far back as 2016, to be honest a lot of ordinary people are getting very annoyed and switching from traditional central parties or left of central to more extreme parties on the right.

Don't forget it was Sweden that really took the first stand against the EU by announcing it would deport up to 80,000 migrants, Finland followed with up to 32,000.
In both countries at the time there was high anti EU sentiment going around this issue is a hot potato.

Sweden also suspended its membership of the Schengen area because of this issue along with terrorism, its why now you have to show ID or passport on the border, I do foresee other countries following suit if they haven't already.

[snak3gam3r!]

The Eu is never quick about making any decision and springing into action. It's sad because there are things in this world that require decisiveness so things can get done.

[mapuc]

If the EU doesn't do something as a collective then faith in the EU will diminish, not only that on the international stage it will bee seen as a weak union.
The current covid debacle with vaccine roll out etc with the EU and now immigration crisis in many countries will ultimately lead to the far right gaining traction and support.

I have seen this in Denmark and Sweden as far back as 2016, to be honest a lot of ordinary people are getting very annoyed and switching from traditional central parties or left of central to more extreme parties on the right.

Don't forget it was Sweden that really took the first stand against the EU by announcing it would deport up to 80,000 migrants, Finland followed with up to 32,000.
In both countries at the time there was high anti EU sentiment going around this issue is a hot potato.

Sweden also suspended its membership of the Schengen area because of this issue along with terrorism, its why now you have to show ID or passport on the border, I do foresee other countries following suit if they haven't already.

Made a search in Swedish to see if Sweden had left Schengen and according to page I entered they haven't

About these 80,000 migrants Sweden wanted to deport has come to a standstill. In a Swedish news article from 2017 it says.

The work of deporting people from Sweden who have had their asylum application finally rejected has come to a standstill. There are no detention centers available to put people in, who have been taken into custody by the police while waiting for the deportation to take place. Therefore, the work of caring for people for deportation has in practice ceased. Police officers who are to work with this, ie track down and take care of people for deportation, are allowed to sit and roll their thumbs in the office instead, according to sources at the police who I spoke to recently.

The rest of the article is about the Swedish election in 2018.

Markus

[Kapitan]

Made a search in Swedish to see if Sweden had left Schengen and according to page I entered they haven't

About these 80,000 migrants Sweden wanted to deport has come to a standpoint. In a Swedish news article from 2017 it says.



The rest of the article is about the Swedish election in 2018.

Markus

I know they have suspended Schengen conditions as far back as 2016 even have a picture at the rail station notice board which threw me at the time, I used to get the Oerstadt across. ( this is from 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/03/sweden-to-impose-id-checks-on-travellers-from-denmark )

I used to spend a lot of time in Copenhagen and go for lunch or dinner in Sweden Malmo usually (Texas long horn)

While i think they remain party to the treaty they have introduced border controls between EU to EU countries (Sweden) which in my mind basically renders the agreement dead.

As for the migrants i know they did deport around 16,000 if i remember the news papers correctly.

[mapuc]

Aha the condition I thought they had suspended their membership.

Denmark has done the same-imposed Id/passport check at the German Danish border.

You are correct Sweden had planned on deport 80,000 and still have.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The UK is no longer in the EU and look at the waves of uninvited we see coming every day.

I wonder which country they leave from :hmmm:

[Kapitan]

The UK is no longer in the EU and look at the waves of uninvited we see coming every day.

I wonder which country they leave from :hmmm:

In the words of Exocet

Pfedre Albion :D

[mapuc]

The UK is no longer in the EU and look at the waves of uninvited we see coming every day.

I wonder which country they leave from :hmmm:

Jim I know we have an immigration/refugee thread. I wanted to post my first comment in this thread. I couldn't find it I looked closely through all 4 page. That's why I wrote "Belongs to our immigration thread" in the headline ´cause I hoped you would merge this with the immigration thread

Markus

[Jimbuna]

In the words of Exocet

Pfedre Albion :D

Rgr that and in actual fact the saying originates from Italy so they can't even get that right :03:

The Italian term " perfida Albione " (perfidious Albion) was used in the propaganda of Fascist Italy to criticise the global dominion of the British Empire. Fascist propaganda depicted the British as ruthless colonialists, who exploited foreign lands and peoples to feed extravagant lifestyle habits like eating "five meals a day".

[Jimbuna]

Jim I know we have an immigration/refugee thread. I wanted to post my first comment in this thread. I couldn't find it I looked closely through all 4 page. That's why I wrote "Belongs to our immigration thread" in the headline ´cause I hoped you would merge this with the immigration thread

Markus

You would need to point me to the specific thread you are referring to Markus because there are at least a dozen threads on the forum with 'immigrant' in the thread title.

[mapuc]

You would need to point me to the specific thread you are referring to Markus because there are at least a dozen threads on the forum with 'immigrant' in the thread title.

Made a search in our search area couldn't find it. This thread I'm thinking about has several pages more than 30. Last time it was active, was during the great refugee escape in 2015/16.

It has also the word refugees in the title. If I only could remember who made it.

Edit
Made another search this time using only the word immigration and search entire post
I found this thread by our Uncle Neal

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=221753

Because it is an European problem

it's up to you if we shall merge this thread with Neal's or rewrite the title of this thread-You may call it what you want
End edit

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Threads merged.

[mapuc]

Found this English article from BBC.

How Belarus is helping ‘tourists’ break into the EU

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-58952867

If this is true-Poland and other countries who has a border with Belarus, has every right to throw these immigrants back into Belarus. They are NOT refugees or immigrant.

Markus

[Skybird]

Christian Ortner (Austria) writes in his blog:

While on the border between Poland and Belarus thousands of “protection-seekers” attacked the border fence with bolt cutters, heavy pliers and saws and partially tore it down, the EU reacted exactly as was to be expected. Council President Charles Michel traveled to Warsaw to demonstrate the EU's solidarity with Poland; which in reality is a kind of political balloon without a cover. At almost the same time, Manfred Weber, head of the Christian Democratic parliamentary group in the EU Parliament, demanded that the EU take part in the financing of border fortifications; the EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, on the other hand, strictly refused to do just that. And even on the small but not unimportant question of which people, companies and institutions the EU will impose further sanctions on, there is little agreement, after all it is about values, i.e. money.

Those with such allies have serious cause for concern. Or as US General George S. Patton once smugly remarked at the end of the Second World War: “I would rather have an SS Panzer Division in front of me than one of our French allies at my side.” Today, “French” can be replaced with “European”. Before Europe can agree on whether and how it will defend its external border against a violent attack from Belarusian territory, it must first be clarified which CO2 emissions are associated with the establishment of border barriers, and whether the instructions for the border guards are written in gender-sensitive language and sufficient diversity of staff is ensured. Those are our primary concerns.

Unfortunately, however, a much larger, more threatening problem becomes visible here in outline: Europe is increasingly facing geopolitical antagonists such as China and Russia, but also Turkey and Iran, who are completely freed from ethical or even just international legal restrictions and concerns and permanently test where they can cross what limits at what cost. And when they come to the conclusion that the benefits are worth the price, they sometimes act accordingly militarily.

Russia's annexation of Crimea and the partial occupation of eastern Ukraine were examples of this, as was China's de facto annexation of Hong Kong. Taiwan could follow; and the eastern border of the EU is not as safe as some dreamers believe. It is not just about “global political capability” (quote from ex-EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker), the worm sits deeper. After all, as an understandable reaction to the world war, the EU was founded as a peace project; pacifism is in its bones, and it is even less capable of military conflict than it is for world politics; neither institutionally nor mentally.

That is incredibly likeable, but unfortunately not a very promising strategy in a world that is prone to violence and violent all around. As long as the Europeans do not understand this - and above all draw the consequences from it - the villains will prevail.

https://www.ortneronline.at/das-pazifismus-paradoxon-der-eu/

[Jimbuna]

Britain is joining forces with Poland by sending 10 U.K. troops to fortify the Belarus border as thousands of migrants attempt to cross the frontier into the EU.

The U.K. Ministry of Defence said the mission, which was agreed with the Polish government, is meant to provide “engineer support” rather than police the border. The forces, which have been on the ground since Thursday, are expected to repair or fortify fencing.
https://www.politico.eu/article/british-troops-deployed-poland-belarus-border-migration/

Not sure whether to laugh or cry :o

[Rockstar]

Not sure whether to laugh or cry :o

Say, you fellas wouldn’t mind sending a few of your troops across the pond to finish building our border wall would you?

[Jimbuna]

Say, you fellas wouldn’t mind sending a few of your troops across the pond to finish building our border wall would you?

I'll make some enquiries to see if we have another ten to spare :)

[Skybird]

Not sure whether to laugh or cry :o
I take it as a hint about the superpowers of British supermen! One British engineer equals one whole engineer company of the others!:yeah:

[Jimbuna]

I take it as a hint about the superpowers of British supermen! One British engineer equals one whole engineer company of the others!:yeah:

If only :D

[mapuc]

Denmark has plan on sending help too, but what I it is, I don't know yet.

UK sending 10.000 troops to Poland. This because of the migration problem at the border it says. Could it also be that there just been a huge joined exercise between Belarus and Russia near the border to Poland, which should be a second reason ?

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Where was the U.K. when the U.S. wanted to build a freaking wall?
:har:

There will be a Car there to pick them up.
Just tell them to watch for the Mr. Wolfrum sign at the airport.
:03:

[Jimbuna]

Denmark has plan on sending help too, but what I it is, I don't know yet.

UK sending 10.000 troops to Poland. This because of the migration problem at the border it says. Could it also be that there just been a huge joined exercise between Belarus and Russia near the border to Poland, which should be a second reason ?

Markus

The number is Ten and not Ten Thousand :)

[Skybird]

Too real to be real, some just cannot believe it.


https://finestwords.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Lustige-Sprüche-zum-Totlachen.jpg

[Jeff-Groves]

The number is Ten and not Ten Thousand :)
Well he had it right with 10 POINT 000
:haha:

[mapuc]

Well he had it right with 10 POINT 000
:haha:

Forgot the real number and I even forgot the differens in how you write a huge number in Different countries.

In Sweden you have no punctuation = 10000
In Denmark you have this punctuation = 10.000

In US/UK it must be = 10000 Like in Sweden.

Back to discuss European migration problems

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

USA 10,000

[Jimbuna]

UK 10 :)

[Skybird]

For Germany it usually is: "Allemagne, un point." Or no mentioning at all.

[August]

Forgot the real number and I even forgot the differens in how you write a huge number in Different countries.

In Sweden you have no punctuation = 10000
In Denmark you have this punctuation = 10.000

In US/UK it must be = 10000 Like in Sweden.

Back to discuss European migration problems

Markus

Why do you even need a decimal point to count people? :hmmm:

[mapuc]

Read in a Danish newspaper that UK are planning on sending refugees/immigrants to Albania where they will be put in camps.

Albania refuse to have made any deal with UK on this.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Belarus's authoritarian leader has told the BBC it is "absolutely possible" his forces helped migrants cross into Poland but denies they were invited.

In an exclusive interview in the Minsk presidential palace, he told me: "I think that's absolutely possible. We're Slavs. We have hearts. Our troops know the migrants are going to Germany."

"Maybe someone helped them. I won't even look into this."

However, he denied inviting thousands in to provoke a border crisis.

"I told them I'm not going to detain migrants on the border, hold them at the border, and if they keep coming from now on I still won't stop them, because they're not coming to my country, they're going to yours.

"That's what I meant. But I didn't invite them here. And to be honest, I don't want them to go through Belarus."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59343815