Counter detection

Linton · 05-29-06, 03:55 AM

In a standard game,how many times can you be hit by sonar and at what strength before you are counter-detected?Was it the same for SC?

LuftWolf · 05-29-06, 04:45 AM

It doesn't work like that.

The sonar model is fairly complicated. A single ship can ping away all day and if the sound waves aren't bouncing back to his array with sufficient strength, he's not going to pick you up at all.

Also, a single helo that dips right on top of you can have you fixed with a single ping.

My advice is to play some time in a contact rich environment with truth on, trying various sensors on various platforms. Keep in mind, all ranges are highly variable based on acoustic conditions and platform orientation.

Cheers,
David

Linton · 05-30-06, 04:55 PM

Luftwolf was the logic the same for SC?

Wildcat · 05-30-06, 05:13 PM

It's always been the same. It's not an increasing 'detection counter'. You'll be detected if the sonar conditions are right and you happen to wander inside the detection range of the active sonar (or passive).

Linton · 05-30-06, 05:22 PM

Thankyou for the info.Does anybody have a detection range chart for various sonar/enviromental combinations?

Wildcat · 05-30-06, 11:56 PM

Anything inside 40km and theoretically you're detectable. Don't start worrying about it until within 20km. Stay under thermoclines to get closer, or if there is none, stay close to the seabed. On an OHP with Lwami 3.02 we can get returns on objects about 20km away but the signals are very weak. But the signals can be localized using single beam mode. So keep that in mind. Using the layer is an effective tool for getting past surface ships.

TLAM Strike · 05-31-06, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

Anything inside 40km and theoretically you're detectable.

40 km? Bah if you loud enough you can be detected hundreds if not thousands of km away. The implosion of the Scorpion SSN 589 (near the Azores IIRC) was heard in Canadia and the Falklands. There is a buzz word thrown around when talking about SOSUS: “Cross Ocean Detection”.

I do not know if this is Simulated in DW...:hmm:

LuftWolf · 05-31-06, 03:54 AM

TLAM, I think we were talking only about Active Sonar.

05-29-06, 03:55 AM	#1
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Counter detection In a standard game,how many times can you be hit by sonar and at what strength before you are counter-detected?Was it the same for SC? __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

05-29-06, 04:45 AM	#2
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	It doesn't work like that. The sonar model is fairly complicated. A single ship can ping away all day and if the sound waves aren't bouncing back to his array with sufficient strength, he's not going to pick you up at all. Also, a single helo that dips right on top of you can have you fixed with a single ping. My advice is to play some time in a contact rich environment with truth on, trying various sensors on various platforms. Keep in mind, all ranges are highly variable based on acoustic conditions and platform orientation. Cheers, David __________________ LW

05-30-06, 04:55 PM	#3
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Luftwolf was the logic the same for SC? __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

05-30-06, 05:22 PM	#5
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thankyou for the info.Does anybody have a detection range chart for various sonar/enviromental combinations? __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

05-31-06, 03:54 AM	#8
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	TLAM, I think we were talking only about Active Sonar. __________________ LW

05-30-06, 05:13 PM	#4
Wildcat Engineer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 215 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	It's always been the same. It's not an increasing 'detection counter'. You'll be detected if the sonar conditions are right and you happen to wander inside the detection range of the active sonar (or passive).

05-30-06, 11:56 PM	#6
Wildcat Engineer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 215 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	Anything inside 40km and theoretically you're detectable. Don't start worrying about it until within 20km. Stay under thermoclines to get closer, or if there is none, stay close to the seabed. On an OHP with Lwami 3.02 we can get returns on objects about 20km away but the signals are very weak. But the signals can be localized using single beam mode. So keep that in mind. Using the layer is an effective tool for getting past surface ships.