Adding variability to WO range estimates

Keelbuster · 04-18-06, 08:56 AM

Probably an old topic, but - it would be great to have variability on WO range estimates. He's always within 100m, right? It would be neat if the quality of his estimates scaled with his experience/fatigue/distance/weather conditions. I feel a bit cheap getting an estimate in choppy water of 15300m that I can rely on being within 100m of the target position. This kind of feature would make training the WO and watch specialists much more important.
Possible with SH3 or do we have to wait for IV?

Kb

schuhart · 04-18-06, 11:28 AM

Just do it yourself.

That should take care of variability

- Schuhart

Beery · 04-18-06, 12:03 PM

I always do it myself. We've tried to find a way to do it, but I don't think anyone has succeeded in getting the Watch Officer's estimation to be less accurate.

Keelbuster · 04-18-06, 06:47 PM

Har. I should have expected these replies. Maybe this post should be in the SH3 forum rather than the Mod forum. I'm at the stage with this game where I want a bit of ease in play. I _can_ do most of the manual stuff myself with some accuracy. But it's a bit belaboured - I don't think the interface is set up to do full manual ranging properly. You take a stadimeter reading (or 5 and average them if it's anything but calm water) and then race up to the map to plot the point in accordance with the 3.15 minute rule, you miss with the damned ruler, and yer travelling at 16kts so the reading is spoiled. None of this would happen in real life - in RL, you'd get the reading, or someone else would, and as a team you would plot it and achieve precision on the estimate. I'm using the WO as an important part of the team because someone has to fiddle around with a ruler, protracter and a pencil to plot the data in real time. I'd _much_ rather have those data be auto-plotted (a la Dangerous Waters). I think that it's not unrealistic to have a WO tell you approximately how far away a target is along with it's bearing. The game doesn't simulate this well and it's too bad there's no way to mod it. Nor is it unrealistic to have someone plot data on yer chart. I'm not surprised if this second part is impossible to add.

I understand the human element to all this, and the need for realism and variability but we're forced to cope with an interface that is not an ideal design for that purpose.

So.

I would like to hear how you guys do it and achieve precision. I'm noob to the man targ stuff so I could benefit from secrets of the art and also secrets coping with the cumbersome interface and associated realtime clickfest.

Kb

vois2 · 04-18-06, 07:10 PM

Regarding range to target, read the first half dozen or so of posts in this thread: http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=51363

Keelbuster · 04-18-06, 07:20 PM

Indeed. Thx for the link.

Keelbuster · 04-18-06, 07:25 PM

And like *that* - I was a crossdresser.

Keelbuster · 04-18-06, 09:54 PM

Nvrmind that last post - for a second I was a woman - lucky 190.

Kb

VonHelsching · 04-19-06, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keelbuster

Nvrmind that last post - for a second I was a woman - lucky 190.

Kb

Been there. You mean the "Wild Night in Bankog" avatar?

Keelbuster · 04-19-06, 07:45 AM

OH yeah. Short and sweet...Bangkok style.

04-18-06, 08:56 AM	#1
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Adding variability to WO range estimates Probably an old topic, but - it would be great to have variability on WO range estimates. He's always within 100m, right? It would be neat if the quality of his estimates scaled with his experience/fatigue/distance/weather conditions. I feel a bit cheap getting an estimate in choppy water of 15300m that I can rely on being within 100m of the target position. This kind of feature would make training the WO and watch specialists much more important. Possible with SH3 or do we have to wait for IV? Kb __________________

04-18-06, 12:03 PM	#3
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I always do it myself. We've tried to find a way to do it, but I don't think anyone has succeeded in getting the Watch Officer's estimation to be less accurate. __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen.

04-18-06, 06:47 PM	#4
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Har. I should have expected these replies. Maybe this post should be in the SH3 forum rather than the Mod forum. I'm at the stage with this game where I want a bit of ease in play. I _can_ do most of the manual stuff myself with some accuracy. But it's a bit belaboured - I don't think the interface is set up to do full manual ranging properly. You take a stadimeter reading (or 5 and average them if it's anything but calm water) and then race up to the map to plot the point in accordance with the 3.15 minute rule, you miss with the damned ruler, and yer travelling at 16kts so the reading is spoiled. None of this would happen in real life - in RL, you'd get the reading, or someone else would, and as a team you would plot it and achieve precision on the estimate. I'm using the WO as an important part of the team because someone has to fiddle around with a ruler, protracter and a pencil to plot the data in real time. I'd _much_ rather have those data be auto-plotted (a la Dangerous Waters). I think that it's not unrealistic to have a WO tell you approximately how far away a target is along with it's bearing. The game doesn't simulate this well and it's too bad there's no way to mod it. Nor is it unrealistic to have someone plot data on yer chart. I'm not surprised if this second part is impossible to add. I understand the human element to all this, and the need for realism and variability but we're forced to cope with an interface that is not an ideal design for that purpose. So. I would like to hear how you guys do it and achieve precision. I'm noob to the man targ stuff so I could benefit from secrets of the art and also secrets coping with the cumbersome interface and associated realtime clickfest. Kb __________________

04-18-06, 07:10 PM	#5
vois2 Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southwestern Ohio Posts: 213 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Regarding range to target, read the first half dozen or so of posts in this thread: http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=51363 __________________ I donate to Subsim because it is one of the best communities on the Interwebs. Stick around a couple of years, and you will see. You're never far from a friend here. Sunk at location vois22 [at] gmail . com

04-18-06, 07:20 PM	#6
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Indeed. Thx for the link. __________________

04-18-06, 11:28 AM	#2
schuhart Watch Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 30 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	Just do it yourself. That should take care of variability - Schuhart

04-18-06, 07:25 PM	#7
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	And like that - I was a crossdresser. __________________

04-18-06, 09:54 PM	#8
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Nvrmind that last post - for a second I was a woman - lucky 190. Kb __________________

04-19-06, 07:45 AM	#10
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	OH yeah. Short and sweet...Bangkok style. __________________