Enemy submarines

Slemtiger · 03-11-06, 03:27 PM

Any enemy submarines out there? Havent seen any on about 20 patroles so they can't be common.

STEED · 03-11-06, 03:43 PM

No

Slemtiger · 03-11-06, 04:17 PM

Maybe in sh4 then

*hint, hint*

STEED · 03-11-06, 05:05 PM

Can not see it shame.

Slemtiger · 03-12-06, 10:22 AM

What about friendly submarines? Is it possible to see those pop when attacking convoys maybe, or in a random patrole?

Torplexed · 03-12-06, 10:29 AM

No. No wolfpacks sad to say. One of this sims major oversights.

Slemtiger · 03-12-06, 10:36 AM

LOL, so we command the only submarine in wwii :p

Little ironic, the game was made because the submarines played such a huge role in the war, and in the game itself they did not include other submarines then your own

Torplexed · 03-12-06, 10:39 AM

Yup. Very ironic. Silent Hunter 2 made the same mistake as well. There may be some mods that include friendly submarines in harbour traffic. But that's probably it.

Einsamer Wolf · 03-12-06, 10:39 AM

Someone suggested wolfpacks may be included in an expansion pack. Did anything ever come of this?

EW

Slemtiger · 03-12-06, 10:44 AM

So how is multiplayer? Do every player get one submarine each and play together?

I

JU_88 · 03-12-06, 05:26 PM

I belive the new X1

mediterranien expansion has a British T-class sub moddelled but, it wont shoot torpeedos or submerge

as there is no Ai in the game to allow for this.

Bah! T class subs werent even used very much in the med, they were too big! they served more effectivly in the pacific against the japanese.

they Should have moddled a U or V class sub. Even the S-class would have been cool.

I gotta agree though, the lack of AI subs on both sides, is a glaring oversight for SH3! I hate being the only submarine in ther ocean, it only make things less interesting, some people think sub to sub encounters were rare in WW2, and just pretend its more realistic not to have other submarines about

personally I think these people are well..... pretty stupid..... no offence

(The dev team used a similar excuse as to why no AI subs made it in to SH3, when in fact, they probably just didnt have time to code effective sub AI)

The fact is, sub to sub encounters were not THAT rare at all in ww2, look at my sig, that just Uboat casualties from british submarines alone! imagine how many more sub on sub sinkings took place between other nations! then bear in mind that there must have been many more encounters that were not fatal for either vessel.
There was even one instance in WW2 of a sub torpedoing and sinking another while both were submerged! (the first and last time this has happened in the whole of naval history in fact)

Its not like a Uboat commander bumped in to an enermy submarine and said, "oh we better leave it guys, as we,re not supposed to sink other submarines... just floating things.... its the rules you see"

Slemtiger · 03-12-06, 06:10 PM

"During WWII, 21 Uboats were sunk by Allied submarines, 13 of those by the British alone."

Yeah, it would have been a very nice fight. Sub vs sub. Catfight.

03-13-06, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slemtiger

"During WWII, 21 Uboats were sunk by Allied submarines, 13 of those by the British alone."

Yeah, it would have been a very nice fight. Sub vs sub. Catfight.

The only problem being that, like air combat, most of the kills were made on victims who never saw their attackers.

"Okay, I'm sailing out of Brest when I suddenly die. The screen says 'Killed by British Submarine'".

Boy, that sounds fun.

AntEater · 03-13-06, 12:36 PM

I just bought a book "Duel of Submarines" (U-Boote im Duell) which covers that topic for WW1 and WW2.
Many times the victim saw the torpedo wakes, there were a lot more unsuccessful attacks than kills.
Keep in mind the british didnt have electric torpedoes, so a good lookout could spot the torpedoes.

03-13-06, 12:58 PM

Good points, and don't get me wrong-I loved encountering enemy subs in SHI. I just don't want to get TOO real.

03-11-06, 03:27 PM	#1
Slemtiger Watch Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Enemy submarines Any enemy submarines out there? Havent seen any on about 20 patroles so they can't be common.

03-11-06, 03:43 PM	#2
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	No __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

03-11-06, 05:05 PM	#4
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Can not see it shame. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

03-12-06, 10:29 AM	#6
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	No. No wolfpacks sad to say. One of this sims major oversights. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

03-12-06, 10:39 AM	#8
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Yup. Very ironic. Silent Hunter 2 made the same mistake as well. There may be some mods that include friendly submarines in harbour traffic. But that's probably it. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

03-11-06, 04:17 PM	#3
Slemtiger Watch Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Maybe in sh4 then hint, hint

03-12-06, 10:22 AM	#5
Slemtiger Watch Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What about friendly submarines? Is it possible to see those pop when attacking convoys maybe, or in a random patrole?

03-12-06, 10:36 AM	#7
Slemtiger Watch Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	LOL, so we command the only submarine in wwii :p Little ironic, the game was made because the submarines played such a huge role in the war, and in the game itself they did not include other submarines then your own

03-12-06, 10:39 AM	#9
Einsamer Wolf Watch Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 30 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Someone suggested wolfpacks may be included in an expansion pack. Did anything ever come of this? EW

03-12-06, 10:44 AM	#10
Slemtiger Watch Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So how is multiplayer? Do every player get one submarine each and play together? I

03-12-06, 05:26 PM	#11
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I belive the new X1 mediterranien expansion has a British T-class sub moddelled but, it wont shoot torpeedos or submerge as there is no Ai in the game to allow for this. Bah! T class subs werent even used very much in the med, they were too big! they served more effectivly in the pacific against the japanese. they Should have moddled a U or V class sub. Even the S-class would have been cool. I gotta agree though, the lack of AI subs on both sides, is a glaring oversight for SH3! I hate being the only submarine in ther ocean, it only make things less interesting, some people think sub to sub encounters were rare in WW2, and just pretend its more realistic not to have other submarines about personally I think these people are well..... pretty stupid..... no offence (The dev team used a similar excuse as to why no AI subs made it in to SH3, when in fact, they probably just didnt have time to code effective sub AI) The fact is, sub to sub encounters were not THAT rare at all in ww2, look at my sig, that just Uboat casualties from british submarines alone! imagine how many more sub on sub sinkings took place between other nations! then bear in mind that there must have been many more encounters that were not fatal for either vessel. There was even one instance in WW2 of a sub torpedoing and sinking another while both were submerged! (the first and last time this has happened in the whole of naval history in fact) Its not like a Uboat commander bumped in to an enermy submarine and said, "oh we better leave it guys, as we,re not supposed to sink other submarines... just floating things.... its the rules you see"

03-12-06, 06:10 PM	#12
Slemtiger Watch Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"During WWII, 21 Uboats were sunk by Allied submarines, 13 of those by the British alone." Yeah, it would have been a very nice fight. Sub vs sub. Catfight.

03-13-06, 12:36 PM	#14
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I just bought a book "Duel of Submarines" (U-Boote im Duell) which covers that topic for WW1 and WW2. Many times the victim saw the torpedo wakes, there were a lot more unsuccessful attacks than kills. Keep in mind the british didnt have electric torpedoes, so a good lookout could spot the torpedoes. __________________

03-13-06, 12:58 PM	#15
Sailor Steve Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Good points, and don't get me wrong-I loved encountering enemy subs in SHI. I just don't want to get TOO real.