Kilo Improved SS. [Rookie Captain question]

kiwi_2005 · 12-08-05, 08:51 PM

Im running a mission made from the editor in DW. Real simple. My Kilo Improved SS up aganist a SSBN US Sub placed about 50miles away from me. All autocrew off. Im in shadow waters and ive got the SSBN running inside a box.

With the autocrew off do i still have to search for targets - watch the radar, or will the computer tell me about a sonar contact then leave it up to me to do everything else. Its taking along time to find that SSBN sub! lol.

Ive been playing to much SH3 i think cause im sitting in front of the sonar listening for contacts.

kiwi_2005 · 12-08-05, 08:53 PM

I installed the 1.03 beta 1 patch, does this make detection harder?

Deathblow · 12-08-05, 09:03 PM

Hi kiwi,

If you have autocrew off then yes, all your detections will be made by you, and the computer will not inform you of any contacts that are on the sensors.... you'll have to be deligent and watch the sonar itself.

I don't think the 1.03 patch made it "harder" for detection, but it does make thermal layers more of a sound barrier...

The Kilo's sonar has limited range and sensitivity and will probably only detect the SSBN at around 10 nm at best, less if the sub is trying to be quiet.

Hope that helps

EDIT: 10nm I mean, not 10km

kiwi_2005 · 12-08-05, 09:06 PM

Thanks Deathblow!

Yes that helped alot. I might have to re-edit the mission and make the SSBN closer, its just for my training.

LuftWolf · 12-08-05, 09:19 PM

The patch greatly lengthens detections is some cases and greatly reduces them in others.

This is because the 1.03 patch is a complete overhaul of the sound propagation model. It now functions very realistically and has wide set of environmental parameters that influence detection ranges.

Molon Labe · 12-08-05, 09:28 PM

If you consider detections of an Akula crawling around slowly at a range of over 30nm realistic, then sure.

sonar732 · 12-08-05, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

If you consider detections of an Akula crawling around slowly at a range of over 30nm realistic, then sure.

Two questions need to be answered for this one obviously...

1. Your platform
2. SSP

Molon Labe · 12-08-05, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonar732

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

If you consider detections of an Akula crawling around slowly at a range of over 30nm realistic, then sure.

Two questions need to be answered for this one obviously...

1. Your platform
2. SSP

At very low speeds, will those two actually affect this answer? And if yes, why don't US subs carry ASROCs anymore?

TLAM Strike · 12-08-05, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

And if yes, why don't US subs carry ASROCs anymore?

Politics. After the Cold War Congress didn't think a deep water weapon like the SUBROC and Sea Lance was cost effective.

Deathblow · 12-09-05, 07:57 AM

Yarr!!! This thread dun be hijacked! Yarr!!!

Hand over your booty and none of ya's get hert!!

Molon Labe · 12-09-05, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathblow

Yarr!!! This thread dun be hijacked! Yarr!!!

Hand over your booty and none of ya's get hert!!

Sorry.

Here's my booty, go ahead and grab it, but be gentle.

Bellman · 12-09-05, 09:30 AM

ML:

Quote:

Sorry. Here's my booty, go ahead and grab it, but be gentle.

But your advice on dealing with C in C House, which of course,Bill and I took to heart was:

Quote:

Don't resign yourself to submission! (unless that's your thing of course)

:rotfl:

Oberon · 12-09-05, 10:26 AM

Did I hear booty?

SKeeM · 12-09-05, 10:30 AM

Molon Labe · 12-09-05, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bellman

ML:

Quote:

Sorry. Here's my booty, go ahead and grab it, but be gentle.

But your advice on dealing with C in C House, which of course,Bill and I took to heart was:

Quote:

Don't resign yourself to submission! (unless that's your thing of course)

:rotfl:

I guess fault changes the calculus a bit. This case is easily distinguishable from Bill's, since he had no culpable conduct.

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Kilo Improved SS. [Rookie Captain question] Im running a mission made from the editor in DW. Real simple. My Kilo Improved SS up aganist a SSBN US Sub placed about 50miles away from me. All autocrew off. Im in shadow waters and ive got the SSBN running inside a box. With the autocrew off do i still have to search for targets - watch the radar, or will the computer tell me about a sonar contact then leave it up to me to do everything else. Its taking along time to find that SSBN sub! lol. Ive been playing to much SH3 i think cause im sitting in front of the sonar listening for contacts. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	I installed the 1.03 beta 1 patch, does this make detection harder? __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Thanks Deathblow! Yes that helped alot. I might have to re-edit the mission and make the SSBN closer, its just for my training. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

12-08-05, 09:19 PM	#5
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	The patch greatly lengthens detections is some cases and greatly reduces them in others. This is because the 1.03 patch is a complete overhaul of the sound propagation model. It now functions very realistically and has wide set of environmental parameters that influence detection ranges. __________________ LW

12-08-05, 09:03 PM	#3
Deathblow Captain Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 518 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hi kiwi, If you have autocrew off then yes, all your detections will be made by you, and the computer will not inform you of any contacts that are on the sensors.... you'll have to be deligent and watch the sonar itself. I don't think the 1.03 patch made it "harder" for detection, but it does make thermal layers more of a sound barrier... The Kilo's sonar has limited range and sensitivity and will probably only detect the SSBN at around 10 nm at best, less if the sub is trying to be quiet. Hope that helps EDIT: 10nm I mean, not 10km

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Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	If you consider detections of an Akula crawling around slowly at a range of over 30nm realistic, then sure.

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Deathblow Captain Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 518 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yarr!!! This thread dun be hijacked! Yarr!!! Hand over your booty and none of ya's get hert!!

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Did I hear booty?

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