75% tax

[Skybird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25541739

Taxing by the biggest holder of monopoles for organised crime there is, the state, always is a crime in itself, an exercise in arbitrary looting and plundering. I can only recommend everybody affected by this madness: go on strike, don't work, don't move a single finger, evade taxes, dodge the tax police, and get out of that f###ing country.

If i were a factory owner, I would shut it down or sell it, and if the state does not let me - they seem to have such a law in socialist paradise France - I would burn it down and leave them plunderers nothing but scorched earth. I am too sick of this sh!t to play the submissive obedient victim anymore.

Its all becoming a socialist planned economy, where no wealth is distributed unequally, but only poverty is shared by everybody equally. Even in Germany, where we have seen two murderous socialist tyrannies within 60 years that both ruined he country down to the bones, people applaud for going the same way down the drain once again.

Descartes and Rousseau are not dead at all. It seems they are more alive than ever.

[Gerald]

In Sweden it is familiar with high taxes, which has been in years, though not as high as the article above mentions.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

In Sweden it is familiar with high taxes, which has been in years, though not as high as the article above mentions.

Add to it the other taxes, hidden and unhidden. VAT, consumer, whatever.

The medieval is not over. We all still ares laves of landlords, just that they do not name themselves landlords anymore. Even if we die, communities - in Germany at least - tax us with fees and taxes, like in the medieval the landlord was compensated with payments from a village or a farm community if one worker died and the landlord thus lost the slave labour of his slave.

No use in achieving, no worth in trying better, harder, finer. The company of swines means that all pearls you can ever produce and polish, will be robbed from you, and thrown before the swines. They turn your working ethics against you, your desire to perform gets abused, your goodwillingness becomes the iron fist with which they grab you by your balls.

No goodwillingness is at order, then. Disobedience. Boycott. Strike. Lets see how far socialism gets when the exploited elites that it wants to milk and milk and then milk more - refuses to deliver elitist performance, giving no more milk that way. See you in the gully, picking up the tiny remains.

Don'T try to do better, it does not pay off. Try to get away with doing less. That is the new parole. That's progress! Oh wait, we have had all that already. Several times. Always ended in chaos, mass poverty, social misery, dysfunctional economies, massive corruption, social desintegration, and worse.

Cars made in Germany, were a symbol of quality. There were two types of German engineers, those in the West, and those in Eastgermany. Both were qualified, and blessed with human creativity. When you wanted a car, the Western engineer led you to the parking place and showed you dozens and hundreds of car models of exquisite quality. When you wanted to buy a car in the East, they showed you a Wartburg or a Trabant, both of inferior, hopelessly uncompetitive quality. In few colours that all were so dismal that it made you wanting to commit suicide. And for which you had to wait months, if not years, if you could afford to buy it. That well the government knew how to plan human demand and planned economy.

Governments know it better! Economies must be planned! Hail to our new feudal masters!

[MH]

Originally Posted by Vendor

In Sweden it is familiar with high taxes, which has been in years, though not as high as the article above mentions.

You get a lot of money back invested in education and social benefits for the citizens.
Don't you?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by MH

You get a lot of money back invested in education and social benefits for the citizens.
Don't you?

Of course, but we must keep in mind that for every 100 crown note you may have to pay more in taxes and what you earn, what is there in this?, To work more when pretty much anything goes in tax, there should be a better system so that it pays to work, and not be at home and live on welfare, which some do for they know that they are earning more on this.This is as you know, been discussed for many years, regarding the Swedish tax system no news, now it is late a number of years back, completely different times of prosperity and education, everything costs money, and because the increased influx of new citizens to the country, 've done that welfare does not live up to it once was, so they private alternatives has taken over.

[Tchocky]

MURDEROUS SOCIALIST TYRANNY

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

MURDEROUS SOCIALIST TYRANNY

Indeed. Responsible for the death of over a hundred million people in the past 100 years, and the imprisonment and suppression of so many more.

And always mocking these losses and minimising them by insisting that they were only "accidents" due to the socialism not having been "true socialism", and not "finished socialism, and socialism suffering from "starting problems" or deformation caused by criminals resisting to it. Once full and true socialism is there, it all will be so very much better. All misery socialism causes - its opponents are claimed to be responsible for. All mess it created is due to socialism not having been true socialism.

Ah, good to know the latter. More socialism then, please! The past disasters still have not been devastating enough.

[Catfish]

You do not really think our Merkelocracy will be any better ?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

You do not really think our Merkelocracy will be any better ?

52%. That is the mean the statistically averaged German worker/employee gets stolen from his monthly income in hidden and unhidden taxes and mandatory fees. According to calculations from mid-year 2013.

Just to make this one clear: even just 1% stolen makes robbery not any less a robbery.

You are German, I have a booktip for you. Roland Baader: "Totgedacht. Warum Intellektuelle unsere Welt zerstören." Lasersharp analysis of why the elites, education, media and mainstream spirit, the "intellectuals" and what we call in German the Feuilleton, are so extremely left-leaning, pro-socialism and anti-freedom today. Laser-guided in wording: sharp, direct, uncompromised, merciless. Many very good books by him, this one I always considered to be one of his most profound, for it describes the intellectual basis (or lack of) of the disaster unfolding around us today, focussing especially on the specific German conditions. He just died too early, voices like this are rare, and desperately needed.

[Jimbuna]

Two year ago I was in the 40% bracket but next April I'll be excused from paying any tax.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Skybird

52%. That is the mean the statistically averaged German worker/employee gets stolen from his monthly income in hidden and unhidden taxes and mandatory fees.

Yeah, totally stolen! We don't get anything in return at all!
We all had to pay for our education, we have to pay to use the roads, the police and fire fighters won't move unless we can assure them to be able to pay for their services, the Bundeswehr has ceased to exist, my parents never got any support for raising their children and I don't get any unemployment money whatsoever. The world sucks!



I hope the irony was clear!

[Catfish]

Re Skybird,
i would not consider myself a socialist or communist, they failed with the typical personnell that comes to power in those systems. But blatant locust capitalism does not get my vote either.
At present, i have more of a problem with the right wingers, they just overtake the classic left ideas and do the same BS themselves.

But it is not 'the politicians. We have no democracy in Germany after 1945, never had.

" ... Als die Gründerväter der Bundesrepublik Deutschland über das neu zu gründende Staatsgebilde nachdachten, entschieden sie sich für eine besonders rigide Variante der repräsentativen Demokratie, in der die Repräsentanten des Volks sehr viel zu entscheiden haben und das Volk selbst so gut wie nichts zu sagen hat. ..."

Nor had others:
http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/40/40546/1.html
http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/40/40574/1.html

Cheers,
Catfish

[Tchocky]

It may not have been clear enough.

[Tchocky]

Seems to be the only thing more MURDEROUS and TYRANNICAL than running up debt is paying it off.

Originally Posted by Skybird

The morals of the national society must and should be limited to banning of crime, and that everything is equal before the laws.

Except homosexuals. They don't qualify.

Originally Posted by Skybird

We had the Thousand-Years-Reich, and the everliving Soviet Union/German Democratic Republic. Two times socialism in just sixty years, two times monumental fails (and I do not even refer to the bloodbaths). Now we have iron pledges for the Thousand-Years-Currency and vows for the European Democratic Union. Life is running in always the same circles.

Now you're just making stuff up.

[STEED]

And into the UK they come...