Reworked U-boat Guns (incomplete version)

[plj]

I could not find a topic .. just the download.

Could it be correct that resupply does not do what you would expect for the new AA rounds for the deckgun ?
Should the deckgun have these in the first place ?

Probably RSD related .. but if I fire HE into a conning tower of VIIb .. should that not be endex for that VIIb ? It's not.. 4 extra isnt either ... few AP to the waterline .. still sitting there. Took a torpedo for it to realize it should perhaps start sinking.

[V13dweller]

I think that the AA rounds should not be on the Deckgun, because it does not have the capability to attack aircraft to to it's limited traverse and elevation.

The game files appear to have it an intermediate damage, between the HE and AP rounds, making it redundant.

I do not understand what you mean by the last part.

[gap]

Originally Posted by plj

I could not find a topic .. just the download.

This is the thread for discussing the reworked u-boat guns mod:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...29#post1935329

Originally Posted by plj

Could it be correct that resupply does not do what you would expect for the new AA rounds for the deckgun ?
Should the deckgun have these in the first place ?

Originally Posted by V13dweller

I think that the AA rounds should not be on the Deckgun, because it does not have the capability to attack aircraft to to it's limited traverse and elevation.

Sorry guys, those rounds are not acually meant to represent AA but incendiary ammo, which by the way was usually carried aboard U-boats. Not being implemented in stock game, the discussed ammo selection misses the settings needed for it to be supplied during refits. The version of the mod posted by Volodya wasn't initially meant for release, thus the missing settings. The next version will feature the needed refit settings, as well as appropriate shell damage/AP settings, and correct shell designations. In the meanwhile I suggest you to edit manually the 88mm gun sim file, replacing the incendiary rounds with normal HE rounds.

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Originally Posted by plj

Probably RSD related .. but if I fire HE into a conning tower of VIIb .. should that not be endex for that VIIb ? It's not.. 4 extra isnt either ... few AP to the waterline .. still sitting there. Took a torpedo for it to realize it should perhaps start sinking.

Originally Posted by V13dweller

I do not understand what you mean by the last part.

Neither do I

[plj]

The last part is about the destructability of the sub. I stumbled upon another sub in the Kiel canal ... could not resist and fired a few shots at it ... which it laughed at.

I'm not entirely sure, but wouldnt a direct HE hit on a conning tower end the subs life then and there ? Or on the waterline front of the sub .. that would destroy the torpedo's .. and the sub with them ..

Yet, 5 HE shells and 4 AP shells later, I decide to fire a freaking torpedo at it, since it wont go down ... impact, and then it slowly starts sinking.

This seems a little unrealistic to me .. I'd expect it to go down a lot faster tbh ?

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by plj

Probably RSD related .. but if I fire HE into a conning tower of VIIb .. should that not be endex for that VIIb ? It's not.. 4 extra isnt either ... few AP to the waterline .. still sitting there. Took a torpedo for it to realize it should perhaps start sinking.

Why you always think that RSD is to be blamed?

AI submarines, same like other AI ships use totally different set of damage zones, definitions , HP/AP settings...So when you shoot at something-It's not RSD related...When something shoots at YOU-that's RSD related...
Got it?

EDIT:
Maybe you're asking to much... Me and Gap are having very hard time just to create damage modeling for few playable subs, which are basically the same...To rework damage model of all ships, present and imported in SH5, would be gigantic job...But, never say never...

[gap]

Originally Posted by plj

The last part is about the destructability of the sub. I stumbled upon another sub in the Kiel canal ... could not resist and fired a few shots at it ... which it laughed at.

I'm not entirely sure, but wouldnt a direct HE hit on a conning tower end the subs life then and there ? Or on the waterline front of the sub .. that would destroy the torpedo's .. and the sub with them ..

Yet, 5 HE shells and 4 AP shells later, I decide to fire a freaking torpedo at it, since it wont go down ... impact, and then it slowly starts sinking.

This seems a little unrealistic to me .. I'd expect it to go down a lot faster tbh ?

Yes, an 88mm HE shell fired straight at a submarine should cause severe damage to it. At present, neither R.S.D. nor Reworked U-boat Guns deal with round damage settings, and they don't affect at all AI submarines' dmage models (IIRC neithe FXU touches them: they are still stock). In other words, if you played stock game, you would get similar or identical results to the ones you have just reported.

As stated by Vecko, SH5 units and ordnance damage is something that should be addressed globally. Such a general rebalance would be a huge task, but at some point someone should undertake it

[plj]

Ah .. damage models are different for player controlled VS not .. that's kinda backwards, but then I didnt say anything at all :p

But that explains my bewilderment after pumping round 7 into her and still not seeing any noticable damage, while my own sub starts to sink as soon as someone looks the wrong way :/ :p

[gap]

Originally Posted by plj

Ah .. damage models are different for player controlled VS not .. that's kinda backwards, but then I didnt say anything at all :p

But that explains my bewilderment after pumping round 7 into her and still not seeing any noticable damage, while my own sub starts to sink as soon as someone looks the wrong way :/ :p

Yes, even though externally they look identical, playable and AI u-boats are separate units.

I think that for homogeneity with RSD, Vecko should also update AI sub damage, using for them similar settings as the ones used for player's subs. Heavily simpliefied though.

[plj]

Only in a wolfpack situation does this become relevant ... so I'd put it at the bottom of some todo list .. somewhere :p