Nidal Hasan found guilty on all counts, 13 times murder

[Skybird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23818930

The jury, which reached a unanimous verdict in seven hours, begins the penalty phase of the trial on Monday.

The 13-member panel must come to a unanimous agreement in order to recommend that the judge sentence Maj Hasan to death. If they do not agree, he will face a life prison sentence.

The US military has not executed a service member since 1961. There are five inmates on the US military's death row at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, all at various stages of the appeals process.

Among the last barriers to military execution is authorisation from the president.

I wonder whether Obama would authorize it indeed.

Since I rate the deed, due to its religious background, as terrorism, and also consider the fact that he did not act as a civil person in a civil environment, but as a soldier in the military, I am supporting an execution sentence.

Usually, in most cases I am not supporting the death penalty in civil criminal contexts as long as no very special circumstances apply.

[eddie]

He wants to die so he can be concidered a Martyr. Part of me wants him dead, but sitting in a wheel chair for life while in Prison wouldn't bother me too much either.

[Rockstar]

Take it out back put a bullet in it's head, kick some dirt over it and call it a day. No pomp, no circumstance, no media, never mention it's name ever again. On the other hand if its sentenced to prison make sure to take the wheels off its chair.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Take it out back put a bullet in it's head, kick some dirt over it and call it a day. No pomp, no circumstance, no media, never mention it's name ever again. On the other hand if its sentenced to prison make sure to take the wheels off its chair.

Don't refer to the enemy as it. He is a living, breathing human being with a family. If you refer to him as it, then you are saying that he is sub-human. The Nazis referred to Jews, Blacks, Slavs etc as it. We should never become monsters.

[August]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Don't refer to the enemy as it. He is a living, breathing human being with a family. If you refer to him as it, then you are saying that he is sub-human. The Nazis referred to Jews, Blacks, Slavs etc as it. We should never become monsters.

Not disagreeing but there is a vast difference between labeling a group and labeling an individual. I think we would all agree that Hasan the individual deserves every insulting epithet that one can think of.

On the sentence topic I like the idea of him sitting in his wheelchair in a small grey cell for the rest of his useless life.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by August

I think we would all agree that Hasan the individual deserves every insulting epithet that one can think of.

On the sentence topic I like the idea of him sitting in his wheelchair in a small grey cell for the rest of his useless life.

I agree with both of those statements

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by eddie

for life while in Prison wouldn't bother me too much either.

Tax payer says hello.

Cheaper to send him to the nether region.

Tax payer says hello.

Cheaper to send him to the nether region.

Is it?
25 years stuck in the appeals process doesn't seem like a cheaper option

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is it?
25 years stuck in the appeals process doesn't seem like a cheaper option

There may well be some truth in that.

Doubtful it would be 25 years in for-ing and to-ing considering the guy represented himself, gave no closing arguements\speeches, no requests at all for presenting witnesses, and admitting his guilt.

Doubtful it would take 25 years to execute him, with full admission of guilt and absolutely no interest and presentation of a defense

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Tax payer says hello.

Cheaper to send him to the nether region.

It amazes me that many people still think that a person on death row is cheaper than being imprisoned without parole. It is about 3 times more expensive actually.
Cheapest would be an immediate execution, but things like this can backfire badly. Maybe not in this case, but generally spoken.

I think letting him rot in a miserable prison cell would be a good thing. Why end his suffering with a needle? Let him rot...

There may well be some truth in that.

Doubtful it would be 25 years in for-ing and to-ing considering the guy represented himself, gave no closing arguements\speeches, no requests at all for presenting witnesses, and admitting his guilt.

Doubtful it would take 25 years to execute him, with full admission of guilt and absolutely no interest and presentation of a defense

Appeal is automatic in capital cases like this.
I used the 25 year figure as 2 of the other 5 currently on military death row were from the 1980s and are still going through the legal ins and outs.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Don't refer to the enemy as it. He is a living, breathing human being with a family. If you refer to him as it, then you are saying that he is sub-human. The Nazis referred to Jews, Blacks, Slavs etc as it. We should never become monsters.

I only say this. Some humans are worthier than others, we all are not all of the same value, the loss of some is easier affordable than that of others, and the loss of some others even can be a relief.

That may all be not politically correct, nor especially socialistically thought, and certainly it is not representing Christian values. I'm very sorry.

A monster he indeed is not. But a very stupid individual that was made stupid by political-religious ideology, and an jndividual that has put itself beyond the context of society and has gone amiss its laws, benefits and protected privileges.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

It amazes me that many people still think that a person on death row is cheaper than being imprisoned without parole. It is about 3 times more expensive actually.
Cheapest would be an immediate execution, but things like this can backfire badly. Maybe not in this case, but generally spoken.

I think letting him rot in a miserable prison cell would be a good thing. Why end his suffering with a needle? Let him rot...

Why cruelty when determination is sufficient. Immediate execution or life in prison - and let him work there to come up for the costs for his clothes, food, heating, guards' wages, etc. It indeed is not to be understood why society is expected to pay for criminals, or terrorists like this. Prisoner wants light in his cell? Let him work for the power bill. A TV? He has to pay.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Why cruelty when determination is sufficient. Immediate execution or life in prison - and let him work there to come up for the costs for his clothes, food, heating, guards' wages, etc. It indeed is not to be understood why society is expected to pay for criminals, or terrorists like this. Prisoner wants light in his cell? Let him work for the power bill. A TV? He has to pay.

I can't disagree with this, we have to work for the things we want, so should criminals, just because they try to take the short cut outside of jail doesn't mean they should inside it.

Honestly though, in this instance, one of those max security jails sounds like a good option, after a few years in that he'll be wishing he was executed.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Don't refer to the enemy as it. He is a living, breathing human being with a family. If you refer to him as it, then you are saying that he is sub-human. The Nazis referred to Jews, Blacks, Slavs etc as it. We should never become monsters.

Though I don't much like the guy its certainly not my enemy, its a convicted cold blooded murderer, an animal deserving to be put down for the sake of the community.