Friendly ships and Sonar and Submarines

V13dweller · 01-20-13, 09:57 AM

Are the Italian and German Destroyers armed with Sonar? Because in a mission I created, the friendly ships don't seem to track or attempt to destroy the allies U-class submarine once they dive.
The ships seem to only attack on the surface.
And the all submarines I spawn in the editor, as soon as they see an enemy ship, they dive and crash into the seafloor and just grind againts it in a direction I have not plotted for them, any idea's why?
The Submarines also surface randomly, then get sunk, they also defy the course set by them.

TheDarkWraith · 01-20-13, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by V13dweller

Are the Italian and German Destroyers armed with Sonar? Because in a mission I created, the friendly ships don't seem to track or attempt to destroy the allies U-class submarine once they dive.
The ships seem to only attack on the surface.
And the all submarines I spawn in the editor, as soon as they see an enemy ship, they dive and crash into the seafloor and just grind againts it in a direction I have not plotted for them, any idea's why?
The Submarines also surface randomly, then get sunk, they also defy the course set by them.

Let me guess you have no AI mod installed correct? Install my IRAI mod

Once a unit detects an enemy it no longer follows waypoints (unless it's AI script explicity states for it to)

V13dweller · 01-20-13, 10:23 AM

Thank you for your input, I will try your mod right away

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TheDarkWraith · 01-20-13, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by V13dweller

Thank you for your input, I will try your mod right away

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I''ll warn you now that it completely changes the AI. Life will not be easy anymore

V13dweller · 01-20-13, 10:55 AM

Also, are the enemy and friendly AI subs capable of using their deck guns?

TheDarkWraith · 01-20-13, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by V13dweller

Also, are the enemy and friendly AI subs capable of using their deck guns?

I have not been able to get any of the AI subs to fire their deck guns

V13dweller · 01-20-13, 11:06 AM

And can the Montecuccoli cruiser use the single depth charge rack it has, and does it have a sonar to make use of this rack?

TheDarkWraith · 01-20-13, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by V13dweller

And can the Montecuccoli cruiser use the single depth charge rack it has, and does it have a sonar to make use of this rack?

If a unit has DCs it will use them. In order to see if a unit has some kind of sensor you need to open it's .sns file found in \data\Sea\unit name. To see what equipment it has (guns, etc.) open up the .eqp file. These can be opened with Notepad.

gap · 01-20-13, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by V13dweller

Also, are the enemy and friendly AI subs capable of using their deck guns?

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I have not been able to get any of the AI subs to fire their deck guns

I have been looking into the one deckgun friendly and enemy subs are equipped with (AI_Deck_Gun_GE88mm), and I have to say that it got the same gun_anim settings as the human playable guns that we were discussing yesterday in the other thread, TDW.

Thinking out loud, two possible fixes come to my mind...

- trying the same fix suggested by you yesterday
- moving the gun into the Library/ShipParts folder, and changing accordingly the path to the gun in sub's eqp file.

But before any other test, I would try equipping a surface unit with this gun, and see if by any chance the problem is in sub AI routines rather than in the gun itself

Trevally. · 01-20-13, 12:51 PM

TheBeast was testing this where he put other guns on AI uboats.
They still did not fire

gap · 01-20-13, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevally.

TheBeast was testing this where he put other guns on AI uboats.
They still did not fire

...in other words the problem has to be dealed with IRAI.

Thank you for making it clear Trevally, and my regards to TheBeast for his neat conclusion

Trevally. · 01-20-13, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gap

...in other words the problem has to be dealed with IRAI.

Thank you for making it clear Trevally, and my regards to TheBeast for his neat conclusion

What a pity - I have just a week ago cleared out my inbox.

It had the whole discussion, test files and missions where it was all tested

gap · 01-20-13, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevally.

What a pity - I have just a week ago cleared out my inbox.

It had the whole discussion, test files and missions where it was all tested

Don't worry Trevally, what matters is the lesson we have learned from those tests. If needed, test missions and files can be redone in a matter of minutes

V13dweller · 01-21-13, 12:05 AM

I made a test for the enemy submarines and the Friendly Destroyers, The Friendly destroyers are useless when it come to depth charges, they barely use them, probably once in the test, they just circle around where the subs are underwater, and just wait for them to surface.
Is this meant to happen?

01-21-13, 11:18 AM

Depth charges were more of a harassing tool. You had to get really lucky to actually get a kill with one.

Boat commanders would use them sparingly to try to harass the crew into surfacing.

Otherwise, if you can ping away with active sonar, it's really only a matter of time before they have to come up.

Having said that, I'm not sure if IRAI is just trying to be hyper real in your situation, or if it is actually a bug.

01-20-13, 09:57 AM	#1
V13dweller Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 768 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 2	Friendly ships and Sonar and Submarines Are the Italian and German Destroyers armed with Sonar? Because in a mission I created, the friendly ships don't seem to track or attempt to destroy the allies U-class submarine once they dive. The ships seem to only attack on the surface. And the all submarines I spawn in the editor, as soon as they see an enemy ship, they dive and crash into the seafloor and just grind againts it in a direction I have not plotted for them, any idea's why? The Submarines also surface randomly, then get sunk, they also defy the course set by them.

01-20-13, 10:55 AM	#5
V13dweller Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 768 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 2	Also, are the enemy and friendly AI subs capable of using their deck guns? Last edited by V13dweller; 01-20-13 at 11:06 AM.

01-20-13, 12:51 PM	#10
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	TheBeast was testing this where he put other guns on AI uboats. They still did not fire __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

01-20-13, 10:23 AM	#3
V13dweller Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 768 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 2	Thank you for your input, I will try your mod right away .

01-20-13, 11:06 AM	#7
V13dweller Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 768 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 2	And can the Montecuccoli cruiser use the single depth charge rack it has, and does it have a sonar to make use of this rack?

01-21-13, 12:05 AM	#14
V13dweller Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 768 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 2	I made a test for the enemy submarines and the Friendly Destroyers, The Friendly destroyers are useless when it come to depth charges, they barely use them, probably once in the test, they just circle around where the subs are underwater, and just wait for them to surface. Is this meant to happen?

01-21-13, 11:18 AM	#15
Gaugeforever Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Depth charges were more of a harassing tool. You had to get really lucky to actually get a kill with one. Boat commanders would use them sparingly to try to harass the crew into surfacing. Otherwise, if you can ping away with active sonar, it's really only a matter of time before they have to come up. Having said that, I'm not sure if IRAI is just trying to be hyper real in your situation, or if it is actually a bug.