US military death toll in Afghanistan reaches 2,000

Jimbuna · 09-30-12, 08:08 AM

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The US military has suffered its 2,000th death in the Afghan war - with a suspected "insider" attack at a checkpoint in the east of the country.
A US soldier and a foreign contractor were killed while two Afghan soldiers died and four were injured.

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At least 52 foreign soldiers - about half of them Americans - have been killed in so-called "green on blue" attacks this year, compared with 35 for the whole of last year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19776402

Absolutely ridiculous...bring them all home, all nationalities.

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Nato troops will withdraw by the end of 2014, but a number will remain to train Afghan security forces

I wouldn't want to stop there for all the tea in China...can't even trust your 'allies'.

u crank · 09-30-12, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Absolutely ridiculous...bring them all home, all nationalities.

I wouldn't want to stop there for all the tea in China...can't even trust your 'allies'.

I wonder Jim, how many sleeper agents are already in the Afghan military. Just waiting. The future does not look good for this part of the world.

Jimbuna · 09-30-12, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

I wonder Jim, how many sleeper agents are already in the Afghan military. Just waiting. The future does not look good for this part of the world.

That's precisely what I'm thinking...they'd be nothing more than easy targets for hostage taking purposes and potential war crimes atrocities.

What our governments are thinking I've absolutely no idea....send a politician out there to accompany each service personnel that is left behind.

nikimcbee · 09-30-12, 08:37 AM

Is it just me, or has this thing been a whole waste time\money\life?

What do we have to show for this whole operation?

Jimbuna · 09-30-12, 08:45 AM

In terms of Afghanistan...2000 deaths

joea · 10-01-12, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

In terms of Afghanistan...2000 deaths

Yup and how many Afghan deaths?? Lots of civilians caught in the crossfire, collateral damage from both sides-yes the Taliban have targeted civilians too-not just collaborators btw. A lot of our lost freedoms too can be traced to this damn "war on terror". I am wondering of they would not have been better off under a communist government.

No I'm serious.

JU_88 · 10-01-12, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Is it just me, or has this thing been a whole waste time\money\life?

What do we have to show for this whole operation?

Its not you, can some one remind me while we are still there? And dont say 9/11 or terrorism, that was the reason in 2002 not 2012. And dont say we prevented another 9/11 by being there, because we could have done that by be being smart and staying at home. 2000 soldiers lives is not worth the trade off anyway.

joea · 10-01-12, 05:33 AM

Another thing, so many of the NATO states in Afghanistan are also suffering from economic problems-can we really afford these useless operations that don't buy us more security?

u crank · 09-30-12, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

That's precisely what I'm thinking...they'd be nothing more than easy targets for hostage taking purposes and potential war crimes atrocities.

What our governments are thinking I've absolutely no idea....send a politician out there to accompany each service personnel that is left behind.

Exactly. Canada will have personnel there until 2014 in a training role. Almost as dangerous as combat.

I consider Canada's involvement in this war to be one of this country's worst military mistakes ever. Our redeployment in 2006 to Kandahar province was a tactical error made by our politicians to appease the Americans for our refusal to go to Iraq. We were over reaching for sure. Only 2,800 or so Canadian soldiers were tasked with holding on to the sprawling Kandahar province, birthplace of the Taliban.

I blame the politicians. They didn't have a clue. The sooner everybody's out the better.

Then let the bombing begin.

nikimcbee · 09-30-12, 09:30 AM

I've often thought, we could have spent the money better by building a huge wall around Afghanistan and kept all that scum in the country. Then they can have their islamic utopia w/o impacting the rest of the World.

Platapus · 09-30-12, 10:03 AM

I think the US forces need to be separated from the AF forces.

About 6,000 miles sounds about right.

Takeda Shingen · 09-30-12, 10:12 AM

Afghanistan is a picture of what is wrong with out foreign policy. What should have been a small-scale special teams operation to locate and eliminate those responsible for the September 11th attacks became a decade-long nation building operation using 60,000+ troops. All this and, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, we have nothing to show for it, just like Iraq. 2000 dead, trillions of dollars spent, and nothing to show for it. The bad guys are still there, and they will come right back into power once we leave.

Jimbuna · 09-30-12, 10:33 AM

The picture gets decidedly worse for the US when you take Iraq into account they lost about 4,400 of their sons and daughters over there

I'm anything but an expert on the subject but when you consider the vast sums of expenditure might it not have been better spent on satellites and other forms of surveillance equipment to moniter this trash then use drones and missiles or whatever to attack the heart of the vipers nest and in so doing send a powerful message that attackes on whichever countries homeland would exact such a harsh price they (the trash) might come to their senses one day and learn to co-exist?

eddie · 09-30-12, 10:51 AM

During the initial invasion, and we knew bin Laden was in Tora Bora area, we should have nuked that area and then left. Would have saved a lot of soldiers lives and our money that way.

mookiemookie · 09-30-12, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Afghanistan is a picture of what is wrong with out foreign policy. What should have been a small-scale special teams operation to locate and eliminate those responsible for the September 11th attacks became a decade-long nation building operation using 60,000+ troops. All this and, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, we have nothing to show for it, just like Iraq. 2000 dead, trillions of dollars spent, and nothing to show for it. The bad guys are still there, and they will come right back into power once we leave.

Hear hear. This has been a fiasco from the start. And meanwhile the Russians sit back and say "Tolja so."

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Is it just me, or has this thing been a whole waste time\money\life? What do we have to show for this whole operation? __________________

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	In terms of Afghanistan...2000 deaths __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I've often thought, we could have spent the money better by building a huge wall around Afghanistan and kept all that scum in the country. Then they can have their islamic utopia w/o impacting the rest of the World. __________________

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I think the US forces need to be separated from the AF forces. About 6,000 miles sounds about right. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The picture gets decidedly worse for the US when you take Iraq into account they lost about 4,400 of their sons and daughters over there I'm anything but an expert on the subject but when you consider the vast sums of expenditure might it not have been better spent on satellites and other forms of surveillance equipment to moniter this trash then use drones and missiles or whatever to attack the heart of the vipers nest and in so doing send a powerful message that attackes on whichever countries homeland would exact such a harsh price they (the trash) might come to their senses one day and learn to co-exist? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Another thing, so many of the NATO states in Afghanistan are also suffering from economic problems-can we really afford these useless operations that don't buy us more security?

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Afghanistan is a picture of what is wrong with out foreign policy. What should have been a small-scale special teams operation to locate and eliminate those responsible for the September 11th attacks became a decade-long nation building operation using 60,000+ troops. All this and, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, we have nothing to show for it, just like Iraq. 2000 dead, trillions of dollars spent, and nothing to show for it. The bad guys are still there, and they will come right back into power once we leave.

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eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	During the initial invasion, and we knew bin Laden was in Tora Bora area, we should have nuked that area and then left. Would have saved a lot of soldiers lives and our money that way. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone