Question about Neutral Contacts

von Kinderei · 12-13-11, 06:22 PM

When you see or pass a Neutral Contact and you're on the surface ... in game is it programed that they might report your position

Gargamel · 12-13-11, 10:46 PM

No.

The period was just because I couldn't post less than 2 characters

1480 · 12-13-11, 11:06 PM

You could fake it, dive, use it as practice for a torpedo run, thats what I like to do.

Raptor · 12-14-11, 12:21 AM

Or just sink the bloody ship(s). After all, if they're sailing in an allied convoy, they're torpedo bait. Aha! But first, you have to edit SilentHunterIII/Data/Cfg/basic.cfg so you aren't penalized by BdU.

Scroll down to the 3rd [ ] section:

[RENOWN]
RenownReachGridObjCompleted=500
RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=200
CompletedPatrol=200
NEUTRAL=1 <= remove the minus sign
ALLIED=1
AXIS=-10
WrongShipSunk=0 <= change to zero
FirstRankRenown=10
SecondRankRenown=25
EndCampaign=-5

For that matter, anything that comes across my bow that isn't on our side is torpedo bait. Sink 'em all; let the Gods sort 'em out later. Ot to put it another way....

"'Once the rocket goes up, who cares where it comes down? That's not my department!' said Werner von Braun."
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von Kinderei · 12-14-11, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 1480

You could fake it, dive, use it as practice for a torpedo run, thats what I like to do.

Thats what I've been doin' as I wasn't sure if they reported my presence

12-14-11, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by von Kinderei

Thats what I've been doin' as I wasn't sure if they reported my presence

They don't, I can assure you!

von Kinderei · 12-14-11, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PapaKilo

They don't, I can assure you!

Yeah ...

To bad huh

von Kinderei · 12-14-11, 10:01 AM

I wish it were able to do for reality purposes ...

12-14-11, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by von Kinderei

I wish it were able to do for reality purposes ...

They would risk their arses in doing so.

frau kaleun · 12-14-11, 01:18 PM

I would think that in real life it might be possible for the u-boat to monitor the radio traffic and know the neutral was broadcasting their position. But I don't know if that would've been an "official" breach of neutrality and therefore justifiable grounds for considering the neutral a legitimate target.

That would be for lone ships, or ships sailing without (armed) enemy escorts. If they're already part of an enemy convoy, I'm not gonna feel bad about sinking one, heck it could happen by accident even if I wasn't aiming for them. (However for "scoring" purposes" the game would still consider them neutral and penalize you, even in those circumstances, unless you've done some modding of the basic.cfg as noted above.)

TorpX · 12-14-11, 09:28 PM

Why would a neutral vessel be in a combatant convoy? This makes no sense to me. If I were a captain of a nuetral ship, I would want to stay as far away from belligerent convoys as possible. I would be running with lights on and a great big flag painted on the hull, so everyone would KNOW I am really neutral.

Did nuetrals and combatant ship really mingle in the same convoys?

frau kaleun · 12-14-11, 09:43 PM

I suspect the answer is yes, because in many cases it seemed safer to travel in a convoy protected by armed escorts (even if that made one a potential target, even by accident) than to travel alone and unescorted through what was essentially a huge war zone, and then into (or out of) Allied home waters and Allied ports that the Germans were trying their best to blockade (however ineffectively).

Gargamel · 12-14-11, 09:49 PM

In the months prior to joining the allies, the Greeks often had ships in convoys. Also, the us also had merchies in convoys prior to their official joining of the war.

Sailor Steve · 12-14-11, 11:13 PM

The ship is not owned by the country, but by the shipping company. If a neutral ship was caught trying to make money smuggling goods into a blockaded country they would be subject to prize regulations anyway. A u-boat catching a neutral ship in enemy waters might stop it and check papers, then turn it back, but once stopping ships became impossible they might just sink them anyway. At that point a ship from a neutral country would be safer in the convoy.

Jimbuna · 12-15-11, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I would think that in real life it might be possible for the u-boat to monitor the radio traffic and know the neutral was broadcasting their position.

That is exactly what happened in RL

12-13-11, 06:22 PM	#1
von Kinderei Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,606 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 0	Question about Neutral Contacts When you see or pass a Neutral Contact and you're on the surface ... in game is it programed that they might report your position __________________ vK

12-13-11, 10:46 PM	#2
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	No. The period was just because I couldn't post less than 2 characters __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

12-13-11, 11:06 PM	#3
1480 Lead Slinger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chitcago, Illinoise Posts: 1,442 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	You could fake it, dive, use it as practice for a torpedo run, thats what I like to do. __________________

12-14-11, 12:21 AM	#4
Raptor Weps Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 350 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Or just sink the bloody ship(s). After all, if they're sailing in an allied convoy, they're torpedo bait. Aha! But first, you have to edit SilentHunterIII/Data/Cfg/basic.cfg so you aren't penalized by BdU. Scroll down to the 3rd [ ] section: [RENOWN] RenownReachGridObjCompleted=500 RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=200 CompletedPatrol=200 NEUTRAL=1 <= remove the minus sign ALLIED=1 AXIS=-10 WrongShipSunk=0 <= change to zero FirstRankRenown=10 SecondRankRenown=25 EndCampaign=-5 For that matter, anything that comes across my bow that isn't on our side is torpedo bait. Sink 'em all; let the Gods sort 'em out later. Ot to put it another way.... "'Once the rocket goes up, who cares where it comes down? That's not my department!' said Werner von Braun." . . . . . __________________ Raptor

12-14-11, 10:01 AM	#8
von Kinderei Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,606 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 0	I wish it were able to do for reality purposes ... __________________ vK

12-14-11, 01:18 PM	#10
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	I would think that in real life it might be possible for the u-boat to monitor the radio traffic and know the neutral was broadcasting their position. But I don't know if that would've been an "official" breach of neutrality and therefore justifiable grounds for considering the neutral a legitimate target. That would be for lone ships, or ships sailing without (armed) enemy escorts. If they're already part of an enemy convoy, I'm not gonna feel bad about sinking one, heck it could happen by accident even if I wasn't aiming for them. (However for "scoring" purposes" the game would still consider them neutral and penalize you, even in those circumstances, unless you've done some modding of the basic.cfg as noted above.)

12-14-11, 09:28 PM	#11
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Why would a neutral vessel be in a combatant convoy? This makes no sense to me. If I were a captain of a nuetral ship, I would want to stay as far away from belligerent convoys as possible. I would be running with lights on and a great big flag painted on the hull, so everyone would KNOW I am really neutral. Did nuetrals and combatant ship really mingle in the same convoys?

12-14-11, 09:43 PM	#12
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	I suspect the answer is yes, because in many cases it seemed safer to travel in a convoy protected by armed escorts (even if that made one a potential target, even by accident) than to travel alone and unescorted through what was essentially a huge war zone, and then into (or out of) Allied home waters and Allied ports that the Germans were trying their best to blockade (however ineffectively).

12-14-11, 09:49 PM	#13
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	In the months prior to joining the allies, the Greeks often had ships in convoys. Also, the us also had merchies in convoys prior to their official joining of the war. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

12-14-11, 11:13 PM	#14
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The ship is not owned by the country, but by the shipping company. If a neutral ship was caught trying to make money smuggling goods into a blockaded country they would be subject to prize regulations anyway. A u-boat catching a neutral ship in enemy waters might stop it and check papers, then turn it back, but once stopping ships became impossible they might just sink them anyway. At that point a ship from a neutral country would be safer in the convoy. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo