Remaining Immersion Breakers - what are yours?...Here are Mine

Stevepine · 10-30-11, 10:14 AM

1) Being attacked in the middle of the North Atlantic by enemy planes .... IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. lol

2) TASKFORCE sighted!!!!!! Oh no hold on.... ummm... that's just a scout plane in the distance...... Enough said.

3) No real wet weather rain hoods

What about your top 3?

kylania · 10-30-11, 10:33 AM

1. Never seen it happen. Are you 100% certain an aircraft carrier isn't near you?
2. Never seen it happen. Maybe check your TC settings? You probably sighted that aircraft carrier you missed in #1.

3. Mighty Fine Crew fixed this nicely.

Sounds like you might have some mob or config file conflicts perhaps?

Rongel · 10-30-11, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Stevepine

1) Being attacked in the middle of the North Atlantic by enemy planes .... IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. lol

2) TASKFORCE sighted!!!!!! Oh no hold on.... ummm... that's just a scout plane in the distance...... Enough said.

3) No real wet weather rain hoods

What about your top 3?

1. Haven't seen that either. Sometimes early in the morning but not in middle of the night.

2. I think that the game calls every group of units a taskforce. So if there is two planes sighted, taskforce is reported.

3. Mighty Fine Crew mod adds heavier clothes and hats to to deck watch crew, but it stays the same all the time, so when there is sunshine and tropical weather, the crew still has the heavy weather gear. The bad weather controller in SH 5 is broken.

Okay my immersion break-list now! It changes constantly so these bug me the most currently:

1. No dud torpedoes (well there are some but only like 1/100)
2. Airplanes dissappear completely when they explode (TDW's FX update helps a bit)
3. No crew member can die (unless the whole boat goes)

Sbygneus · 10-30-11, 11:56 AM

Does it mean bad weather clothes will never be fixed?

dcb · 10-30-11, 12:25 PM

1. Sub cannot hit the bottom and get damage
2. No epic storms a la Das Boot, because of the 'sub on rails' behavior
3. No real snow and ice (hence no real winter in North Atlantic)

Rongel · 10-30-11, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sbygneus

Does it mean bad weather clothes will never be fixed?

Never say never! But I think that to fix it, the exe-file needs modifying and only the big guys can do it! I'm pretty sure it's not impossible, it just needs talented modders.

oscar19681 · 10-30-11, 12:48 PM

For me it must be the lack of a sh-3/4 style crew management. I cannot say this enough, Why did they remove it from the game in the first place!!
I,m allways stuck with the same guys and i can only have limited control over the managent over a few of them.

0rpheus · 10-30-11, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dcb

1. Sub cannot hit the bottom and get damage
2. No epic storms a la Das Boot, because of the 'sub on rails' behavior
3. No real snow and ice (hence no real winter in North Atlantic)

Definitely these three. The whole 'sub on bottom' thing especially, that blasted invisible 'bone' (or whatever the clever fellows call it) that makes you 'crash' with plenty of visible clearance below the boat is infuriating in shallower waters.

kylania · 10-30-11, 03:15 PM

Are we all playing the same game? I've absolutely hit the bottom of the ocean and taken damage before. I've seen crew in bad weather gear (no, they don't switch to it automatically). I've seen epic storms where the sub bobs around like a sub bobbing around in an epic storm. Surely everyone isn't playing stock, right? I'm so confused by the posts today, it's like an epic time warp or something.

dcb · 10-30-11, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

Are we all playing the same game? I've absolutely hit the bottom of the ocean and taken damage before.

Kylania, is this your current mod soup?
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=663

I'll try to replicate it and see if I can hit the bottom in shallow water. I'll report my findings here a little bit later.

P.S.
I've tried with every mod that dealt with sub on bottom, and had no success at all. Stock SH5, MO, UHS, same sub behavior in shallow water: hovers at ~ 5 meters above seafloor, but does not collide with it.

Trevally. · 10-30-11, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

Are we all playing the same game? I've absolutely hit the bottom of the ocean and taken damage before. I've seen crew in bad weather gear (no, they don't switch to it automatically). I've seen epic storms where the sub bobs around like a sub bobbing around in an epic storm. Surely everyone isn't playing stock, right? I'm so confused by the posts today, it's like an epic time warp or something.

dcb · 10-30-11, 04:10 PM

As promised, here are my findings.
As Kylania said he was able to hit the bottom, I tried to replicate his mod soup (mainly the mods that might influence the submerged behavior of the uboat):

-Installed via JSGME
Magnum_Opus (+ Patch 2)
IRAI_0_0_30_ByTheDarkWraith
FX_Update_0_0_19_ByTheDarkWraith
Dynamic Environment SH5 Basemod (realistic version) V2.1=7
Dynamic Environmental SH5 Shallow Waters V2.1
TheDarkWraith_DC_Water_Disturbances_v2_0_SH5
NewUIs_TDC_6_8_0_ByTheDarkWraith
NewUIs_TDC_6_8_0_ByTheDarkWraith Patch1
NewUIs_TDC_6_8_0_No_Snorkel_Exhaust_Smoke

- Launched the Bruensbuettel Test single mission -> Crash Dive -> Sub dives, but stops 5 meters above bottom, then ignores any command to dive

- Launched the Calais Test single mission -> Crash Dive -> Same result (hovers 5 meters above bottom, in ~15 meters of water). Still no collision with the seafloor.

So, guys, how on Earth were you able to hit the bottom? What did I get wrong and you are doing right?

Plus, the only threads on this forum where the issue of seafloor collisions was debated are these two:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=seafloor%5C
http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radioroom/showthread.php?t=169382

Both ended with the conclusion that it's still an unsolved issue.
Did a breakthrough occur and I wasn't able to find it?

I would really appreciate an answer here, from those who are able to hit the seabed, because it's a huge immersion killer for me. Just imagine, whatever I do in the North Sea I don't have to worry about damaging my sub in a collision with the bottom. Completely unrealistic...

THE_MASK · 10-30-11, 04:27 PM

Pintea said it was because of bad code which would be hard to fix with modding .

0rpheus · 10-30-11, 04:44 PM

I've definitely managed to hit the bottom before, though always while I was visibly above the seafloor. The boat's 'hovering' is part of the same problem I think:

TDW explained the hovering/weird seafloor impacts was due to a 'bone' (3D object in Granny editor I think) that protrudes beneath the sub. He gave me a test mod a while back for the 7a (I think, was a while ago) that removed this bone from the sub, and after installing it I could go right to the bottom without damage, instead of 10-15m above it. This resulted in a little clipping through seafloor textures but was well worth the effect.

Not sure if anything ever came of the test mod as shortly after work began on the GR2 editor and I think that's taking all his time right now. I still have the mod files, but it might be better to wait until it becomes a proper mod (when TDW has time!).

dcb · 10-30-11, 04:56 PM

Thanks for the answers. That's also what I understood from reading the aforementioned two threads.

So yes, I do keep this seafloor issue as THE major immersion killer and showstopper for me, until a fix is found.

10-30-11, 10:33 AM	#2
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	1. Never seen it happen. Are you 100% certain an aircraft carrier isn't near you? 2. Never seen it happen. Maybe check your TC settings? You probably sighted that aircraft carrier you missed in #1. 3. Mighty Fine Crew fixed this nicely. Sounds like you might have some mob or config file conflicts perhaps? __________________

10-30-11, 12:48 PM	#7
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	For me it must be the lack of a sh-3/4 style crew management. I cannot say this enough, Why did they remove it from the game in the first place!! I,m allways stuck with the same guys and i can only have limited control over the managent over a few of them. __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

10-30-11, 03:15 PM	#9
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Are we all playing the same game? I've absolutely hit the bottom of the ocean and taken damage before. I've seen crew in bad weather gear (no, they don't switch to it automatically). I've seen epic storms where the sub bobs around like a sub bobbing around in an epic storm. Surely everyone isn't playing stock, right? I'm so confused by the posts today, it's like an epic time warp or something. __________________

10-30-11, 10:14 AM	#1
Stevepine Planesman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 191 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	Remaining Immersion Breakers - what are yours?...Here are Mine 1) Being attacked in the middle of the North Atlantic by enemy planes .... IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. lol 2) TASKFORCE sighted!!!!!! Oh no hold on.... ummm... that's just a scout plane in the distance...... Enough said. 3) No real wet weather rain hoods What about your top 3?

10-30-11, 11:56 AM	#4
Sbygneus Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 137 Downloads: 190 Uploads: 0	Does it mean bad weather clothes will never be fixed?

10-30-11, 12:25 PM	#5
dcb Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 845 Downloads: 544 Uploads: 0	1. Sub cannot hit the bottom and get damage 2. No epic storms a la Das Boot, because of the 'sub on rails' behavior 3. No real snow and ice (hence no real winter in North Atlantic)

10-30-11, 04:10 PM	#12
dcb Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 845 Downloads: 544 Uploads: 0	As promised, here are my findings. As Kylania said he was able to hit the bottom, I tried to replicate his mod soup (mainly the mods that might influence the submerged behavior of the uboat): -Installed via JSGME Magnum_Opus (+ Patch 2) IRAI_0_0_30_ByTheDarkWraith FX_Update_0_0_19_ByTheDarkWraith Dynamic Environment SH5 Basemod (realistic version) V2.1=7 Dynamic Environmental SH5 Shallow Waters V2.1 TheDarkWraith_DC_Water_Disturbances_v2_0_SH5 NewUIs_TDC_6_8_0_ByTheDarkWraith NewUIs_TDC_6_8_0_ByTheDarkWraith Patch1 NewUIs_TDC_6_8_0_No_Snorkel_Exhaust_Smoke - Launched the Bruensbuettel Test single mission -> Crash Dive -> Sub dives, but stops 5 meters above bottom, then ignores any command to dive - Launched the Calais Test single mission -> Crash Dive -> Same result (hovers 5 meters above bottom, in ~15 meters of water). Still no collision with the seafloor. So, guys, how on Earth were you able to hit the bottom? What did I get wrong and you are doing right? Plus, the only threads on this forum where the issue of seafloor collisions was debated are these two: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=seafloor%5C http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radioroom/showthread.php?t=169382 Both ended with the conclusion that it's still an unsolved issue. Did a breakthrough occur and I wasn't able to find it? I would really appreciate an answer here, from those who are able to hit the seabed, because it's a huge immersion killer for me. Just imagine, whatever I do in the North Sea I don't have to worry about damaging my sub in a collision with the bottom. Completely unrealistic...

10-30-11, 04:27 PM	#13
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Pintea said it was because of bad code which would be hard to fix with modding .

10-30-11, 04:44 PM	#14
0rpheus Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: UK Posts: 857 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 3	I've definitely managed to hit the bottom before, though always while I was visibly above the seafloor. The boat's 'hovering' is part of the same problem I think: TDW explained the hovering/weird seafloor impacts was due to a 'bone' (3D object in Granny editor I think) that protrudes beneath the sub. He gave me a test mod a while back for the 7a (I think, was a while ago) that removed this bone from the sub, and after installing it I could go right to the bottom without damage, instead of 10-15m above it. This resulted in a little clipping through seafloor textures but was well worth the effect. Not sure if anything ever came of the test mod as shortly after work began on the GR2 editor and I think that's taking all his time right now. I still have the mod files, but it might be better to wait until it becomes a proper mod (when TDW has time!).

10-30-11, 04:56 PM	#15
dcb Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 845 Downloads: 544 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the answers. That's also what I understood from reading the aforementioned two threads. So yes, I do keep this seafloor issue as THE major immersion killer and showstopper for me, until a fix is found.