Round Convoys?

Sandman_28054 · 07-12-11, 04:13 PM

After a year of not playing GWX 3.0, I recently reloaded it and began playing again.

Seems like this happened once before, but I can't say for sure.

After patroling Grid CF 99, I remember reading some thread about Rockall. Turning north, I decided to cruise up there and see what shake loose.

Convoys typically turn up as Red squares.

Picked up a large convoy. Heading: SE, Sp. 8 knts.

This time it was a Bluecircle.

Turned out this convoy had 8 tankers from small to modern, four Whale Factory Ships, 2 large Merchants, and 4 small merchants.

Here is my list of sinkings:

Quote:

0000 Grid AM 1 Ship sunk! HMS Acheron (A&B classes), 1350 tons
0008 Grid AM 1 Ship sunk! S.S. Tannadice (Small Tanker), 2051 tons
0010 Grid AM 1 Ship sunk! M/V Stanvac Cape Town (Large Tanker), 9679 tons
0017 Grid AM 1 Ship sunk! M/V L.P. St. Clair (Large Tanker), 9680 tons
0026 Grid AM 1 Ship sunk! S.S. Southern Empress (Whale Factory Ship) (Whale Factory Ship), 12016 tons
0431 Grid AM 1 Ship sunk! S.S. Nicarao (Medium Tanker), 8700 tons
0435 Grid AM 1 Ship sunk! S.S. Janna (Medium Tanker), 8327 tons
0438 Grid AM 1 Ship sunk! S.S. Stirlingshire (Medium Tanker), 8701 tons

Are tanker convoys usually blue?

Paul Riley · 07-12-11, 04:29 PM

I may be wrong about this,but blue usually indicates friendly units.Strange having friendly units out there

f4wildweasel · 07-12-11, 04:52 PM

odd, when I play GWX all my contacts, regardless of affiliation, are black. Now circles usually signify submarines (both friendly and enemy) maybe this was an AI wolf-pack or a convoy under u-boat attack?

Paul Riley · 07-12-11, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by f4wildweasel

odd, when I play GWX all my contacts, regardless of affiliation, are black. Now circles usually signify submarines (both friendly and enemy) maybe this was an AI wolf-pack or a convoy under u-boat attack?

Interesting,i'm not sure if wolfpacks are implemented in the game as I once asked about this ages ago.I sure as hell would like to see a wolfpack attack take place.

frau kaleun · 07-12-11, 05:17 PM

GWX removes the red/blue/green color coding from the game so that all units show up as black icons on the map. There is a mod that returns the colors (as well as navigational tails) for those who want them back.

In stock, units are color coded blue=friendly, red=enemy, green=neutral.

If you're playing GWX3 and haven't modded any colors back in for planes/ships/etc., everything should be black. Not sure about the round icon for the convoy as a whole - the only time I've seen a round icon on the map was the small one that indicates a sub.

@Paul: Wolfpacks are not part of stock or GWX and I don't think they've ever been implemented in other supermods without causing problems elsewhere, but h.sie (with help from a score of other modders) has been trying to figure out a way to put them into into the game successfully. The idea is to have something get spawned, even if it's not a u-boat you ever see, that will show up and attack a convoy you have reported and draw the attention of some of the escorts. The last time I checked his thread for realism and gameplay hardcoded fixes that was his primary interest ATM.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=174225

f4wildweasel · 07-12-11, 05:24 PM

yeah i didn't think wolf-packs were in GWX... One other idea i thought of was that a random ai u-boat was patrolling the waters and bumped into the convoy when the contact report went out, making it show up as large (multiple ships), circular (because the u-boat was there), and blue (the u-boat being allied). Sometimes I'll see convoys where some ships are on fire or taking on water, especially when they showed up on my contact reports as a circle. Once in the Med I was closing into a convoy when my hydrophones picked up another u-boat. The AI type VII sailed into it on the surface and began attacking with its deck gun (damaging a destroyer before being sent down by British gunfire). So while there are no wolf-packs, it could be a single ai u-boat doing a surface action on a convoy while the contact report went out.
Edit: in my defense, WetOne hadn't posted when I started typing this. Didn't mean for a redundant post to happen.

Fish In The Water · 07-12-11, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

...but h.sie (with help from a score of other modders) has been trying to figure out a way to put them into into the game successfully.

A work in progress, still hoping for the best.

WetOne · 07-12-11, 05:21 PM

Yes I have seen this happen before, a couple of times. From what I understand the convoy takes its "Icon" from the lead ship in the convoy, so if it is an enemy merchant ship, it will be a red square, and if you see a Big blue circle like you describe, it doe sindeed mean that there is a AI U-boat ahead of the convoy, the game then interprets the U-boat as being part of the convoy.

Yes I would also see it actually do something about being in such a prime position, but I never have

There was a post about this a year or two ago, but I cant find it, if i do, will post a link.

EDIT: Ok, here is one that explains it nicely http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=blue+circle

and a couple to show that it is not that unusual :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=blue+circle
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=blue+circle
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=blue+circle

Sandman_28054 · 07-13-11, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Interesting,i'm not sure if wolfpacks are implemented in the game as I once asked about this ages ago.I sure as hell would like to see a wolfpack attack take place.

Funny story, while putting out to sea, a radio message came in that U-32 was trailing a convoy and U-52, U-65, and my boat, (U-123) was ordered to make progress to form a wolfpack to attack the convoy.

Funny because I could have made the wolfpack as I was only 200 nm from Lorient. But, the convoys position was not included in the message.

And as you can see, it was not a "friendly" convoy. But perhaps it was being trailed by a U-Boat as the circle was blue.

Paul Riley · 07-13-11, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandman_28054

Funny story, while putting out to sea, a radio message came in that U-32 was trailing a convoy and U-52, U-65, and my boat, (U-123) was ordered to make progress to form a wolfpack to attack the convoy.

Funny because I could have made the wolfpack as I was only 200 nm from Lorient. But, the convoys position was not included in the message.

And as you can see, it was not a "friendly" convoy. But perhaps it was being trailed by a U-Boat as the circle was blue.

Really?,I have NEVER had a radio message of that nature before.
Maybe a GWX dev could elaborate on this more?,hmmm

07-12-11, 04:29 PM	#2
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	I may be wrong about this,but blue usually indicates friendly units.Strange having friendly units out there __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

07-12-11, 05:24 PM	#6
f4wildweasel Seaman Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 40 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	yeah i didn't think wolf-packs were in GWX... One other idea i thought of was that a random ai u-boat was patrolling the waters and bumped into the convoy when the contact report went out, making it show up as large (multiple ships), circular (because the u-boat was there), and blue (the u-boat being allied). Sometimes I'll see convoys where some ships are on fire or taking on water, especially when they showed up on my contact reports as a circle. Once in the Med I was closing into a convoy when my hydrophones picked up another u-boat. The AI type VII sailed into it on the surface and began attacking with its deck gun (damaging a destroyer before being sent down by British gunfire). So while there are no wolf-packs, it could be a single ai u-boat doing a surface action on a convoy while the contact report went out. Edit: in my defense, WetOne hadn't posted when I started typing this. Didn't mean for a redundant post to happen. Last edited by f4wildweasel; 07-12-11 at 05:47 PM.

07-12-11, 05:21 PM	#8
WetOne Watch Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 17 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	Yes I have seen this happen before, a couple of times. From what I understand the convoy takes its "Icon" from the lead ship in the convoy, so if it is an enemy merchant ship, it will be a red square, and if you see a Big blue circle like you describe, it doe sindeed mean that there is a AI U-boat ahead of the convoy, the game then interprets the U-boat as being part of the convoy. Yes I would also see it actually do something about being in such a prime position, but I never have There was a post about this a year or two ago, but I cant find it, if i do, will post a link. EDIT: Ok, here is one that explains it nicely http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=blue+circle and a couple to show that it is not that unusual : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=blue+circle http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=blue+circle http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=blue+circle Last edited by WetOne; 07-12-11 at 05:32 PM.

07-12-11, 04:52 PM	#3
f4wildweasel Seaman Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 40 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	odd, when I play GWX all my contacts, regardless of affiliation, are black. Now circles usually signify submarines (both friendly and enemy) maybe this was an AI wolf-pack or a convoy under u-boat attack?

07-12-11, 05:17 PM	#5
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	GWX removes the red/blue/green color coding from the game so that all units show up as black icons on the map. There is a mod that returns the colors (as well as navigational tails) for those who want them back. In stock, units are color coded blue=friendly, red=enemy, green=neutral. If you're playing GWX3 and haven't modded any colors back in for planes/ships/etc., everything should be black. Not sure about the round icon for the convoy as a whole - the only time I've seen a round icon on the map was the small one that indicates a sub. @Paul: Wolfpacks are not part of stock or GWX and I don't think they've ever been implemented in other supermods without causing problems elsewhere, but h.sie (with help from a score of other modders) has been trying to figure out a way to put them into into the game successfully. The idea is to have something get spawned, even if it's not a u-boat you ever see, that will show up and attack a convoy you have reported and draw the attention of some of the escorts. The last time I checked his thread for realism and gameplay hardcoded fixes that was his primary interest ATM. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=174225