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The make-up of Russia's military will shift dramatically away from draftees, with more than two-thirds of the force to be composed of professional soldiers by 2017, a senior army officer said Wednesday.Russia's military expects 70 percent of all men and women in uniform to be paid soldiers in six years' time. Some 220,000 will be officers, with a further 425,000 enlisted personnel, said Nikolai Makarov, chief of Russia's general staff, according to Interfax.
Currently, some two-thirds of those serving in Russia's 1.2 million-strong armed forces entered the ranks after being drafted in biannual call-ups. Service in most units is for one year. Draft evasion is common in Russia because of tough conditions, including harassment of new draftees, as well as extremely poor pay conditions. The shift to a mostly professional force would simplify training and reduce pressure on the country's youth, Makarov said. Russia's government has in recent years pushed for military reforms that would make the Kremlin's armed services more professional and more easily deployed in conflicts abroad. Some Russian officers have spoken out against the creation of a lighter and more professional military, saying the changes would end centuries of military tradition and, potentially, make Russia vulnerable to a major attack. SOURCE |
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Every Westerner and his dog says there are three solutions to Russia's personnel problems: End Dedovschina, "Volunteer Military" and "Professional NCO Corps". Though I've read (on boards) that some Russians consider the Western perception of the Dedovschina problem exaggerated, it is the excesses that get reported, and they have to end or at least seriously tame down Dedovschina. This will be partly alleviated by improved conditions (if Senior Conscript Ivanov has more than enough to eat he won't feel so compelled to rob Junior Conscript Platonov of his breakfast) and the rest increased monitoring until some more positive traditions can be established. The increased monitoring will be a mix of motivating the officers, but often they are overworked. That's when they bring out the "Professional NCO Corps", as if creating one is just a matter of will and overcoming the obstinacy of "old-school" Russian officers. To put it bluntly, the NCO corps started with the caste system. In the past, entire population subgroups (mostly those that are not the nobility or the rich) that might have had the qualities to be an officer but could not due to birth. If they are to join the military, they have to do the equivalent of enlisting and eventually settle for the NCO corps, which handled "technical" tasks that are "beneath" the aristocrat officers, and this formed the backbone of the "modern NCO" corps as a technical and technotactical (squad leader level) specialist. But the important thing is that good people started becoming NCOs because they can't be officers (a not-so-glass ceiling), and there were a niche for NCOs because the officers couldn't be bothered (and later find it hard to learn to the required level) to handle certain tasks. So, let's look at the Russian situation. Junior officers handle technical as well as tactical tasks, there is no unbroken NCO tradition, and worst of wall we are now in a relatively egalitarian era. Without any artificial ceiling, there is nothing to induce the best quality personnel to enlist. Anyone that wants to make a career out of the military will have tried out for officer school. In such a circumstance, only 2nd-rate people will try for being long-term enlisted. This, I believe, is a factor of why the old praporschik/michman program in the USSR didn't work out well - the officer schools already sucked up everybody with the right qualities that wanted to give the military a go - and the praporschik/michman program got the crumbs. To put it bluntly, the only way a good NCO corps can be made in this kind of circumstance is if: 1) Supply exceeds demand for officers, so there is high selectivity for officers and some good volunteers will have to settle to be enlisted. 2) The population quality is relatively even, and on average high and thus, even though the NCOs are 2nd rate human material as a group, they are still pretty good and good enough to lead troops. The dedovschina does not improve matters but even without it Russia doesn't have either one. Presumably, the recent reduction in the officet cadet intake is to help improve on one but nevertheless under the circumstances, only a poor quality "professional NCO" corps can be realistically expected, which will in fact be detrimental to good control. As for the volunteer army, it is guaranteed to be much more expensive per man, with the consequences in numbers. It is not guaranteed to be much better for the same reason as what I said for the professional NCO. For other Russian arguments against the imposition of a volunteer army, I recommend http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/kontrakt-army.shtml (translates well in Google Translate). And worst of all, once you give up conscription in the modern era, if history is any indication, you can't go back. Resistance is almost guaranteed. ================ Any scheme would have to try and make use of what Russia has now, rather than following Western schemes made for different circumstances blindly. Since the priority is to improve troop control and expertise at lower levels (NCOs and volunteers are just means, not ends), if I were running things, I'll
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Russia to Shift to Mostly Volunteer Army ???
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Yeah I heard this some time ago I think they "started" by asking young Russians that had just completed elite training to sign on for a multiple year enlistment and they gave them bonuses as well they did this with units like their Airborne(which is its own branch) and SPETNAZ/GRU or what ever they call them nowadays.Not a bad idea to try it out with elite troops first and then go all volunteer with everyone.By trying to have a more professional force you end up getting a better military for modern times because you are increasing the size of your professional force.I think they are just going to deal with the issues it causes and then deal with them.
Not really sure what that is so funny to be honest.Do you think that there are not plenty of Russians who would not be interested in service if they know they can make a good career of it?i am willing to bet that a much higher number of Russians per capita will enlist willingly than what we see in the US. I think it is funny how some officers and NCOs(the bad one I bet) dont like the idea because it will mean the end of their ways sooner or later just because it is a centuries old tradtion does not mean that it is a very good idea or is the best way to do things. |
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To old school officers and NCOs it will be the end of the free ride.
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Volunteer troops are more expensive, a Western estimate made back in 1990 being about 5-8 times per man (and I doubt it changed that much since then). That alone immediately creates a dilemma, because Russia does have long borders and real defense (a power projection requirement is not the same thing) requirements, a combination that's not faced by most countries using volunteer armies. As for quality, volunteer enlisted are really only superior if: 1) They can be obtained from a reasonable grade cut of the population, both in quality and motivation. These days, the Russian conscription system gets a lot of crumbs, but so does their kontraktniki system - dubious advantage there. 8 crumbs vs 1 good soldier may be a discussion point, but 8 crumbs vs 1 is quite another. 2) They actually stay for more than one tour (which is usually 2-4 years long) so they have an experience advantage. |
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I was under the impression their armed forces were far greater in number
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