The Hunted: Hitlers Uboat War 1943-1945

Salvadoreno · 11-05-10, 06:32 PM

So im just finishing the book after a long hiatus. I got sickened by the amount of deaths the German Uboat Arm took in that time period so i took a break. But i decided i needed to finish it.
Its just unbelieveably sad how doomed the Uboats were from the very beginning, and how little they really effected Britain's ability to wage war. Everytime i read "There were no survivors" a chill runs down my spine. What a terrible death it must of been for those boys (and yes they were definately boys, especially in the later years). Even worse was towards the latter years some Allied boats didnt bother to pick up German survivors of uboats.

No war crimes for them...

Anyway before i start a heated debate about that another reason im upset is the amount of content that is missing from the uboat simulation! Last night so many ideas were running through my head, especially because Sh5 is kind of a "Captains Simulation". Ugh that also upsets me! Patrol lines, Uboat Groups, Uboat breakdowns (and subsequent rendevous with Utankers, returning uboats, etc..), Transmissions from Other uboats (shadowing convoys and of course... Convoy battles!). Back in the base to add immersion there could be a war room/office room (your captains office), and a nightclub to talk to other commanders about wartime experiences and opinions.

Well all those ideas and more (no reason to keep chase the dragon here) should have been added.

If things like these were incorporated i believe there might have been a growth in the community. Us loyal subsimmers would have obviously bought the game (which is a pretty large community in itself) and other hardcore sim fans. Along with the curious others who see a well rated game and purchase. Now i believe it will be a long time coming before somebody picks up another subsim, let alone another WWII one. Modders, although amazing, just dont have the capability to incorporate certain aspects that would make a subsim game great.

Well anyway if your curious about the subject Hitlers Uboat War The Hunters and The Hunted are great purchases and GREAT reads. I also picked up night of the uboats (the destruction of konvoi PQ17). Another great book and a horrific look at the experiences of survivors on a sunken merchant ship. Such an interesting period and aspect of our existence!

11-05-10, 06:57 PM

"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell."
William Tecumseh Sherman
April 11, 1880
Columbus, Ohio

But we never learn.

CCIP · 11-05-10, 07:05 PM

Blair's books are excellent, but I think it should also be noted that he is sometimes too narrowly focused on undermining the German campaign and any achievements within it - he really is quite obviously biased in that sense. I wish he hadn't taken on that stance and remained more neutral. On the other hand it's a much more scholarly and well-researched accounts than many popular imagings of the war and memoirs (like Das Boot, Iron Coffins etc.).

deepboat · 11-05-10, 07:09 PM

The Hunters and The Hunted, both make a great read. I've recently picked up "The U-Boat War" by Lothar-Gunther Buchheim. Name sound familiar? An account of his time aboard U-96 with lots of pictures.

11-06-10, 10:44 AM

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So im just finishing the book after a long hiatus. I got sickened by the amount of deaths the German Uboat Arm took in that time period so i took a break. But i decided i needed to finish it.
Its just unbelieveably sad how doomed the Uboats were from the very beginning, and how little they really effected Britain's ability to wage war. Everytime i read "There were no survivors" a chill runs down my spine. What a terrible death it must of been for those boys (and yes they were definately boys, especially in the later years). Even worse was towards the latter years some Allied boats didnt bother to pick up German survivors of uboats.

No war crimes for them...

Sailor Steve · 11-06-10, 01:48 PM

Nice self-portrait, Dimitrius.

I disagree with some of Salvadoreno's assessment, but it looks like he's honest in his opinions.

The only troll I see here is you.

11-06-10, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Nice self-portrait, Dimitrius.

I disagree with some of Salvadoreno's assessment, but it looks like he's honest in his opinions.

The only troll I see here is you.

Sing with me

Actions!!!!!! Speaks louder!!!! Then words!!!!!!
Give me bass please

Takeda Shingen · 11-06-10, 02:23 PM

On topic, please.

The Management

stoppro · 11-06-10, 02:37 PM

I agree with CCIP. blair has a lot of axes to grind- everything was a-the presidents fault . b the brits fault . the us navy -no fault. He wore me down pretty fast with that crap.

FIREWALL · 11-06-10, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

On topic, please.

The Management

11-06-10, 03:16 PM

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What a terrible death it must of been for those boys (and yes they were definately boys, especially in the later years). Even worse was towards the latter years some Allied boats didnt bother to pick up German survivors of uboats.

No war crimes for them...

Well some uboat commanders opened fire on civilians, and after that they claim it was target identification mistake. It was all covered up by supreme commander stuff in the end. Your young boys were send to fight by a nationalistic German party despite the great loses. Shame really

. You expect more from "superman's". So no war crimes here, its war. And in War people die

.

Sailor Steve · 11-06-10, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimitrius07

Well some uboat commanders opened fire on civilians, and after that they claim it was target identification mistake. It was all covered up by supreme commander stuff in the end.

Do you have documentation of this? If not it's just accusations.

Capt Sinbad · 11-06-10, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimitrius07

Well some uboat commanders opened fire on civilians, and after that they claim it was target identification mistake. It was all covered up by supreme commander stuff in the end. Your young boys were send to fight by a nationalistic German party despite the great loses. Shame really

. You expect more from "superman's". So no war crimes here, its war. And in War people die

.

Yawn

Can anyone else see the irony?

d@rk51d3 · 11-06-10, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Sinbad

Yawn

Can anyone else see the irony?

My thoughts exactly.

11-06-10, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Do you have documentation of this? If not it's just accusations.

Information taken from Uboat.net Want the details? I can give it to you, when i heal from the brain damage taken by zombies

.
Now before you start drama let me say something. Not all uboat commanders done that things and same goes to the other side. Relax... ok. Play something heavy for me

11-05-10, 06:32 PM	#1
Salvadoreno Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 887 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	The Hunted: Hitlers Uboat War 1943-1945 So im just finishing the book after a long hiatus. I got sickened by the amount of deaths the German Uboat Arm took in that time period so i took a break. But i decided i needed to finish it. Its just unbelieveably sad how doomed the Uboats were from the very beginning, and how little they really effected Britain's ability to wage war. Everytime i read "There were no survivors" a chill runs down my spine. What a terrible death it must of been for those boys (and yes they were definately boys, especially in the later years). Even worse was towards the latter years some Allied boats didnt bother to pick up German survivors of uboats. No war crimes for them... Anyway before i start a heated debate about that another reason im upset is the amount of content that is missing from the uboat simulation! Last night so many ideas were running through my head, especially because Sh5 is kind of a "Captains Simulation". Ugh that also upsets me! Patrol lines, Uboat Groups, Uboat breakdowns (and subsequent rendevous with Utankers, returning uboats, etc..), Transmissions from Other uboats (shadowing convoys and of course... Convoy battles!). Back in the base to add immersion there could be a war room/office room (your captains office), and a nightclub to talk to other commanders about wartime experiences and opinions. Well all those ideas and more (no reason to keep chase the dragon here) should have been added. If things like these were incorporated i believe there might have been a growth in the community. Us loyal subsimmers would have obviously bought the game (which is a pretty large community in itself) and other hardcore sim fans. Along with the curious others who see a well rated game and purchase. Now i believe it will be a long time coming before somebody picks up another subsim, let alone another WWII one. Modders, although amazing, just dont have the capability to incorporate certain aspects that would make a subsim game great. Well anyway if your curious about the subject Hitlers Uboat War The Hunters and The Hunted are great purchases and GREAT reads. I also picked up night of the uboats (the destruction of konvoi PQ17). Another great book and a horrific look at the experiences of survivors on a sunken merchant ship. Such an interesting period and aspect of our existence! __________________

11-05-10, 07:05 PM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Blair's books are excellent, but I think it should also be noted that he is sometimes too narrowly focused on undermining the German campaign and any achievements within it - he really is quite obviously biased in that sense. I wish he hadn't taken on that stance and remained more neutral. On the other hand it's a much more scholarly and well-researched accounts than many popular imagings of the war and memoirs (like Das Boot, Iron Coffins etc.). __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

11-05-10, 07:09 PM	#4
deepboat Gunner Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In an Octopuss' Garden Posts: 99 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	The Hunters and The Hunted, both make a great read. I've recently picked up "The U-Boat War" by Lothar-Gunther Buchheim. Name sound familiar? An account of his time aboard U-96 with lots of pictures. __________________ Smoke on the horizon captain!

11-06-10, 01:48 PM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Nice self-portrait, Dimitrius. I disagree with some of Salvadoreno's assessment, but it looks like he's honest in his opinions. The only troll I see here is you. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-06-10, 02:37 PM	#9
stoppro Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: vero beach fl Posts: 380 Downloads: 495 Uploads: 0	I agree with CCIP. blair has a lot of axes to grind- everything was a-the presidents fault . b the brits fault . the us navy -no fault. He wore me down pretty fast with that crap. __________________ win 10 64-msi-32gig cosair ddr4-ryzen9-5600evga gtx3060-corsair850watt-2-ssd 500 gig drives 1m2 1tig

11-05-10, 06:57 PM	#2
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell." William Tecumseh Sherman April 11, 1880 Columbus, Ohio But we never learn.

11-06-10, 02:23 PM	#8
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	On topic, please. The Management