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Salvadoreno 11-05-10 06:32 PM

The Hunted: Hitlers Uboat War 1943-1945
 
So im just finishing the book after a long hiatus. I got sickened by the amount of deaths the German Uboat Arm took in that time period so i took a break. But i decided i needed to finish it.
Its just unbelieveably sad how doomed the Uboats were from the very beginning, and how little they really effected Britain's ability to wage war. Everytime i read "There were no survivors" a chill runs down my spine. What a terrible death it must of been for those boys (and yes they were definately boys, especially in the later years). Even worse was towards the latter years some Allied boats didnt bother to pick up German survivors of uboats. :nope: No war crimes for them...

Anyway before i start a heated debate about that another reason im upset is the amount of content that is missing from the uboat simulation! Last night so many ideas were running through my head, especially because Sh5 is kind of a "Captains Simulation". Ugh that also upsets me! Patrol lines, Uboat Groups, Uboat breakdowns (and subsequent rendevous with Utankers, returning uboats, etc..), Transmissions from Other uboats (shadowing convoys and of course... Convoy battles!). Back in the base to add immersion there could be a war room/office room (your captains office), and a nightclub to talk to other commanders about wartime experiences and opinions. :down: Well all those ideas and more (no reason to keep chase the dragon here) should have been added.

If things like these were incorporated i believe there might have been a growth in the community. Us loyal subsimmers would have obviously bought the game (which is a pretty large community in itself) and other hardcore sim fans. Along with the curious others who see a well rated game and purchase. Now i believe it will be a long time coming before somebody picks up another subsim, let alone another WWII one. Modders, although amazing, just dont have the capability to incorporate certain aspects that would make a subsim game great.

Well anyway if your curious about the subject Hitlers Uboat War The Hunters and The Hunted are great purchases and GREAT reads. I also picked up night of the uboats (the destruction of konvoi PQ17). Another great book and a horrific look at the experiences of survivors on a sunken merchant ship. Such an interesting period and aspect of our existence!

Madox58 11-05-10 06:57 PM

"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell."
William Tecumseh Sherman
April 11, 1880
Columbus, Ohio

But we never learn.
:nope:

CCIP 11-05-10 07:05 PM

Blair's books are excellent, but I think it should also be noted that he is sometimes too narrowly focused on undermining the German campaign and any achievements within it - he really is quite obviously biased in that sense. I wish he hadn't taken on that stance and remained more neutral. On the other hand it's a much more scholarly and well-researched accounts than many popular imagings of the war and memoirs (like Das Boot, Iron Coffins etc.).

deepboat 11-05-10 07:09 PM

The Hunters and The Hunted, both make a great read. I've recently picked up "The U-Boat War" by Lothar-Gunther Buchheim. Name sound familiar? An account of his time aboard U-96 with lots of pictures.

Dimitrius07 11-06-10 10:44 AM

Quote:

So im just finishing the book after a long hiatus. I got sickened by the amount of deaths the German Uboat Arm took in that time period so i took a break. But i decided i needed to finish it.
Its just unbelieveably sad how doomed the Uboats were from the very beginning, and how little they really effected Britain's ability to wage war. Everytime i read "There were no survivors" a chill runs down my spine. What a terrible death it must of been for those boys (and yes they were definately boys, especially in the later years). Even worse was towards the latter years some Allied boats didnt bother to pick up German survivors of uboats. :nope: No war crimes for them...

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Sailor Steve 11-06-10 01:48 PM

Nice self-portrait, Dimitrius.

I disagree with some of Salvadoreno's assessment, but it looks like he's honest in his opinions.

The only troll I see here is you.

Dimitrius07 11-06-10 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1530789)
Nice self-portrait, Dimitrius.

I disagree with some of Salvadoreno's assessment, but it looks like he's honest in his opinions.

The only troll I see here is you.

Sing with me

Actions!!!!!! Speaks louder!!!! Then words!!!!!!
Give me bass please :rock::rock::rock:

Takeda Shingen 11-06-10 02:23 PM

On topic, please.

The Management

stoppro 11-06-10 02:37 PM

I agree with CCIP. blair has a lot of axes to grind- everything was a-the presidents fault . b the brits fault . the us navy -no fault. He wore me down pretty fast with that crap.

FIREWALL 11-06-10 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1530806)
On topic, please.

The Management

:up:

Dimitrius07 11-06-10 03:16 PM

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What a terrible death it must of been for those boys (and yes they were definately boys, especially in the later years). Even worse was towards the latter years some Allied boats didnt bother to pick up German survivors of uboats. :nope: No war crimes for them...

Well some uboat commanders opened fire on civilians, and after that they claim it was target identification mistake. It was all covered up by supreme commander stuff in the end. Your young boys were send to fight by a nationalistic German party despite the great loses. Shame really :cry:. You expect more from "superman's". So no war crimes here, its war. And in War people die :dead:.

Sailor Steve 11-06-10 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimitrius07 (Post 1530826)
Well some uboat commanders opened fire on civilians, and after that they claim it was target identification mistake. It was all covered up by supreme commander stuff in the end.

Do you have documentation of this? If not it's just accusations.

Capt Sinbad 11-06-10 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimitrius07 (Post 1530826)
Well some uboat commanders opened fire on civilians, and after that they claim it was target identification mistake. It was all covered up by supreme commander stuff in the end. Your young boys were send to fight by a nationalistic German party despite the great loses. Shame really :cry:. You expect more from "superman's". So no war crimes here, its war. And in War people die :dead:.

Yawn

Can anyone else see the irony?

d@rk51d3 11-06-10 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Sinbad (Post 1530841)
Yawn

Can anyone else see the irony?


My thoughts exactly. :haha:

Dimitrius07 11-06-10 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1530832)
Do you have documentation of this? If not it's just accusations.

Information taken from Uboat.net Want the details? I can give it to you, when i heal from the brain damage taken by zombies:dead:.
Now before you start drama let me say something. Not all uboat commanders done that things and same goes to the other side. Relax... ok. Play something heavy for me :rock::rock::rock:


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