ships in distress

Tolkemec · 08-09-10, 02:55 AM

Hi all...

I noticed that in bad weather (wind speed 12 - 15), surface ships usually have problems, real big ones.

In my actual career I have finished off 2 ASW trawlers and 1 V&W DD that were stationary. One of the ASW was in fire and the DD was listing like the Titanic -which caused me to miss one torpedo that passed ABOVE the deck!). Every one of them produced the whining noise of the bulkeads collapsing.

I finish them off, as they are an easy kill, but I get the feeling of cheating.

Do you know if this is a sh3 issue? Has it been adressed by a mod?

Was it at all possible in real life to make a torpedo attack (even below surface) in this weather?

Thx!

Captain Nemo · 08-09-10, 07:25 AM

Tramp steamers are another class of ship that suffers in poor weather conditions. I am currently stalking a convoy where a tramp steamer has dropped out of formation and is now lagging behind the main convoy. This happened in real life and u-boats often picked off these stragglers with ease. As for successfully attacking submerged in very rough (storm) sea conditions in real life, it most probably would be near on impossible. Even surfaced attacks would be very difficult.

Nemo

Tolkemec · 08-09-10, 08:08 AM

Yes, you're right... although I never saw before a DD caught like that in a storm (wind speed 15), unable to sail away.

I think I ran across a task force of 3 destroyers (at least that is what I heard), 1 was sailing ok, 1 was lagging but its engines worked, and the last one was stationary with its bow sunken like the Titanic.

Sailor Steve · 08-09-10, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

As for successfully attacking submerged in very rough (storm) sea conditions in real life, it most probably would be near on impossible. Even surfaced attacks would be very difficult.

Absolutely true. When the weather was bad enough whole convoys would 'Heave To' - turn into the wind and stop, only keeping enough speed to maintain headway. They could do this precisely because they knew the u-boats couldn't attack in those conditions.

Tolkemec · 08-09-10, 10:34 AM

Grumpf... so I am caught between my permastorms, the impossibility to sink a single ship and reality. Oh boy. Well, it's just a game, uh?

Flaxpants · 08-10-10, 01:08 AM

I wish I came across these stricken vessels! Haven't experienced this yet myself but look forward to the easy pickings when I do...

Tolkemec · 08-10-10, 02:24 AM

As I sail around with a Type II, I usually go for the British East Coast, where there's plenty of coastal vessels. With bad weather you'll eventually will come across ships in distress.

I found the DD east of the Shetlands. Oh, and in the gap between the Orkney and the Shetlands, where there's also plenty of traffic...

sergei · 08-10-10, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaxpants

I wish I came across these stricken vessels! Haven't experienced this yet myself but look forward to the easy pickings when I do...

I notice it more in Winter months if I have SH3 Commanders 'Seasonal Waves' option enabled, and it's a particularly rough one.

Alpha Von Burg · 08-10-10, 08:06 AM

I found several ship in similar cases, one of which was a medium cargo docked at Calais and the rough waves seems to have pushed it to the side which made the metal rubbing noise, another ship was in the same situation only it was on fire.

Like in reality, as Captain Neme has mentioned, ship at sea or dock suffer in bad weather.

Gerald · 08-10-10, 08:26 AM

[/QUOTE] instead of the standard

Sailor Steve · 08-10-10, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tolkemec

Grumpf... so I am caught between my permastorms, the impossibility to sink a single ship and reality. Oh boy. Well, it's just a game, uh?

Just a game??!!??!! How dare you say that here!? Harrumph!

Well, now that that's out of my system...

There are a lot of things that could have been better in the game. Some they didn't have time for, some they just got wrong, but in cases like this I think they just didn't know. There are a lot of things that some of us discover by accident that all the research on the part of the developers just won't turn up. I wish it wasn't so.

I've seen 'Flower' class corvettes foundering and burning in bad weather, because smaller ships are more affected in the game. The reality was that even though it was said that they would "roll on wet grass", the 'Flowers' were actually better in heavy seas than the larger destroyers, since their short hulls would ride over waves that larger, sleeker ships would try to plow through.

sergei · 08-10-10, 11:20 AM

@ Vendor

Yes, I notice the difference.

In winter months, when wind speed is at it's maximum, it really feels as if you are battling through heavy waves, with the boat really pitching about violently.
Try it for a patrol during the winter and see if you like it.

Gerald · 08-10-10, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sergei

@ Vendor

Yes, I notice the difference.

In winter months, when wind speed is at it's maximum, it really feels as if you are battling through heavy waves, with the boat really pitching about violently.
Try it for a patrol during the winter and see if you like it.

just in September,at least on this side of the equator so then it will be soon,

Jimbuna · 08-10-10, 01:47 PM

One of the negatives of the SH3 game engine is how it displays damage....in the case of storm damage/floundering, fires can be seen similar to that you would only usually expect as a result of shellfire.

08-09-10, 02:55 AM	#1
Tolkemec Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: BCN Posts: 118 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	ships in distress Hi all... I noticed that in bad weather (wind speed 12 - 15), surface ships usually have problems, real big ones. In my actual career I have finished off 2 ASW trawlers and 1 V&W DD that were stationary. One of the ASW was in fire and the DD was listing like the Titanic -which caused me to miss one torpedo that passed ABOVE the deck!). Every one of them produced the whining noise of the bulkeads collapsing. I finish them off, as they are an easy kill, but I get the feeling of cheating. Do you know if this is a sh3 issue? Has it been adressed by a mod? Was it at all possible in real life to make a torpedo attack (even below surface) in this weather? Thx!

08-09-10, 07:25 AM	#2
Captain Nemo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 1,144 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Tramp steamers are another class of ship that suffers in poor weather conditions. I am currently stalking a convoy where a tramp steamer has dropped out of formation and is now lagging behind the main convoy. This happened in real life and u-boats often picked off these stragglers with ease. As for successfully attacking submerged in very rough (storm) sea conditions in real life, it most probably would be near on impossible. Even surfaced attacks would be very difficult. Nemo __________________ "I'm afraid there is no disguising the fact that King's obsession with the Pacific and the Battle of Washington cost us dear in the Battle of the Atlantic". Sir John Slessor GCB, DSO, MC, DL AOC-in-C Coastal Command RAF ___________________________________________

08-10-10, 08:06 AM	#9
Alpha Von Burg Engineer Join Date: May 2010 Location: Unknown Posts: 202 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 0	I found several ship in similar cases, one of which was a medium cargo docked at Calais and the rough waves seems to have pushed it to the side which made the metal rubbing noise, another ship was in the same situation only it was on fire. Like in reality, as Captain Neme has mentioned, ship at sea or dock suffer in bad weather. __________________ -Kapitänleutnant Richard L. Römer

08-10-10, 08:26 AM	#10
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Is there a big difference to select Seasonal Waves, [/QUOTE] instead of the standard __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

08-10-10, 01:47 PM	#14
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	One of the negatives of the SH3 game engine is how it displays damage....in the case of storm damage/floundering, fires can be seen similar to that you would only usually expect as a result of shellfire. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-09-10, 08:08 AM	#3
Tolkemec Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: BCN Posts: 118 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	Yes, you're right... although I never saw before a DD caught like that in a storm (wind speed 15), unable to sail away. I think I ran across a task force of 3 destroyers (at least that is what I heard), 1 was sailing ok, 1 was lagging but its engines worked, and the last one was stationary with its bow sunken like the Titanic.

08-09-10, 10:34 AM	#5
Tolkemec Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: BCN Posts: 118 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	Grumpf... so I am caught between my permastorms, the impossibility to sink a single ship and reality. Oh boy. Well, it's just a game, uh?

08-10-10, 01:08 AM	#6
Flaxpants Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Koh Samui, Thailand Posts: 1,196 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	I wish I came across these stricken vessels! Haven't experienced this yet myself but look forward to the easy pickings when I do...

08-10-10, 02:24 AM	#7
Tolkemec Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: BCN Posts: 118 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	As I sail around with a Type II, I usually go for the British East Coast, where there's plenty of coastal vessels. With bad weather you'll eventually will come across ships in distress. I found the DD east of the Shetlands. Oh, and in the gap between the Orkney and the Shetlands, where there's also plenty of traffic...

08-10-10, 11:20 AM	#12
sergei Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 1,788 Downloads: 405 Uploads: 29	@ Vendor Yes, I notice the difference. In winter months, when wind speed is at it's maximum, it really feels as if you are battling through heavy waves, with the boat really pitching about violently. Try it for a patrol during the winter and see if you like it.