Scared of the Hedgehog

Fozzy22 · 04-25-10, 05:13 AM

Hi all. I was thinking back to a year or so ago when i last played SH3 before coming back to it recently. Around the period of 1942-43 I was more often than not killed by a new weapon developed by the Royal Navy that scared the begezus out of me every time. It was the Hedgehog anti submarine weapon. Right now i'm only at Dec 1940, so right now i can breath easy.

Has anyone else come across this recently in their campaigns and how does it make you feel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog_(weapon)

KL-alfman · 04-25-10, 05:31 AM

they are especially deadly in shallow waters.

don't like them at all!

Reinhard Dietz · 04-25-10, 07:59 AM

I hate the Hedgehog and I haven't even run into it yet since it's Q1 1941 in my current career.

What's the best defense against Hedgehog other than to not have it fired at you? There has to be some way to deal with it, even if the Germans back then wouldn't have known it.

flakmonkey · 04-25-10, 08:30 AM

Its coming to get you....Ruuuuuuun!

RConch · 04-25-10, 08:37 AM

The only defense I can think of would be constant changing of course when being pursued. Since it is a contact weapon, avoid contact if possible.
Is there a limit in the game on reloads and time to reload of the weapon, cause that was a weak spot with it.
It was complicated, "buggy", and took time to reload.

Jimbuna · 04-25-10, 08:48 AM

Your best defence (if you identify an escort armed as such and heading your way) is to put it to the top of your list of priorities, targetwise and take it out.

Fozzy22 · 04-25-10, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by flakmonkey

Its coming to get you....Ruuuuuuun!

It could almost EAT you!

frau kaleun · 04-25-10, 01:53 PM

Ai r hedgehog.

FEAR ME!!

Platapus · 04-26-10, 05:51 PM

Dinsdale!

krashkart · 04-27-10, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Dinsdale!

Ha!! I was waiting for that!

None of my careers last long enough to encounter hedgehogs; either from boredom or sheer ineptitude on my part. But my current campaign is looking sweet - 18 patrols - just might make it past the early years this time. *crosses fingers*

tomfon · 04-25-10, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Fozzy22

Has anyone else come across this recently in their campaigns and how does it make you feel?

Its really difficult to escape from those destroyers throwing hedgehogs and depth charges at the same time. Furthermore, there will always be another destroyer (at least) equipped with this weapon looking for you. The psychotic persistence with which the destroyers keep searching for me, the constant ping-sound, the efficiency of these weapons, the tension during the attack run of a destroyer and the agony during the waiting of the next attack run usually make me think that i did really bad attacking that convoy!

I know its only a game but it is this very game that frequently puts me under stress. This is why i decided to stop positioning myself among the convoy columns and make long shots instead ; '43 onwards, that is. Who cares about tonnage? Its '43 and its evident that the allies are going to win. Hit (if you can) and run (metaphorically speaking since one of the things you can't grant to Uboats is high underwater speed - relative to surface boats speed). And deep, deep as much as you can.

PappyCain · 04-25-10, 09:39 AM

Who cares about tonnage? Its '43 and its evident that the allies are going to win.

I agree. At this point I seek only unescorted vessels and with a sharp eye to the sky. No sense being a dead war hero. Live to fight another day.

tomfon · 04-25-10, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PappyCain

[...]and with a sharp eye to the sky.

You can say that again...

Redbear · 04-25-10, 11:20 AM

I also agree that in '43 or so the focus has to shift away from sinking ships and more toward trying to help my crew (an me) survive the war. It is clear the Ubootwaffe can no longer change the outcome of the war. The boats keep getting sent out to tie down allied forces that would otherwise be used against the homeland, so just being out there and forcing the allies to respond is doing ones duty. (Don't know if the crews of the time understood that, but having read Donitz's memoirs, it's clear that was the goal).

tomfon · 04-25-10, 11:37 AM

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...but having read Donitz's memoirs, it's clear that was the goal).

Hello Redbear,

Could you tell me the title of this book, please?

04-25-10, 05:13 AM	#1
Fozzy22 Machinist's Mate Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: London, England Posts: 129 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Scared of the Hedgehog Hi all. I was thinking back to a year or so ago when i last played SH3 before coming back to it recently. Around the period of 1942-43 I was more often than not killed by a new weapon developed by the Royal Navy that scared the begezus out of me every time. It was the Hedgehog anti submarine weapon. Right now i'm only at Dec 1940, so right now i can breath easy. Has anyone else come across this recently in their campaigns and how does it make you feel? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog_(weapon) __________________ SH3 GWX3 & Commander 3.2 **************** U-148, Type VIIB 7th Flotilla Walter Herp - Before Patrol 3

04-25-10, 05:31 AM	#2
KL-alfman Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Weimar Posts: 930 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	they are especially deadly in shallow waters. don't like them at all! __________________ Life, Liberty and Property!

04-25-10, 07:59 AM	#3
Reinhard Dietz Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lorient Posts: 121 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	I hate the Hedgehog and I haven't even run into it yet since it's Q1 1941 in my current career. What's the best defense against Hedgehog other than to not have it fired at you? There has to be some way to deal with it, even if the Germans back then wouldn't have known it. __________________ Reinhard Dietz U-126 2. Unterseebootsflottille, Lorient

04-25-10, 08:30 AM	#4
flakmonkey Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Staffordshire, Uk Posts: 944 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Its coming to get you....Ruuuuuuun! __________________

04-25-10, 08:37 AM	#5
RConch Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: No. Virginia Posts: 619 Downloads: 518 Uploads: 0	The only defense I can think of would be constant changing of course when being pursued. Since it is a contact weapon, avoid contact if possible. Is there a limit in the game on reloads and time to reload of the weapon, cause that was a weak spot with it. It was complicated, "buggy", and took time to reload. __________________ "Noch und Noch" Prowling the Nord Atlantik with GWX 3.0.

04-25-10, 08:48 AM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Your best defence (if you identify an escort armed as such and heading your way) is to put it to the top of your list of priorities, targetwise and take it out. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-25-10, 01:53 PM	#8
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Ai r hedgehog. FEAR ME!!

04-26-10, 05:51 PM	#9
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Dinsdale! __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-25-10, 09:39 AM	#12
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Who cares about tonnage? Its '43 and its evident that the allies are going to win. I agree. At this point I seek only unescorted vessels and with a sharp eye to the sky. No sense being a dead war hero. Live to fight another day. __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html

04-25-10, 11:20 AM	#14
Redbear Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 208 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	I also agree that in '43 or so the focus has to shift away from sinking ships and more toward trying to help my crew (an me) survive the war. It is clear the Ubootwaffe can no longer change the outcome of the war. The boats keep getting sent out to tie down allied forces that would otherwise be used against the homeland, so just being out there and forcing the allies to respond is doing ones duty. (Don't know if the crews of the time understood that, but having read Donitz's memoirs, it's clear that was the goal).