The last subsim ever?

difool2 · 01-27-10, 12:10 AM

Inspired by the thread on all the features lost from old subsims. Now, I consider myself a pretty optimistic guy, but, in the wake of the bad (truncated campaign), badder (only one sub) & baddest (intrusive DRM) news lately, I now wonder if this will be the last game which will ever claim the title of being a subsim. Modern subsims are now history, & modern combat flight sims have been extinct for several years (tho there's a few WWI/WWII ones floating around of course). I fear that subsims may join the Pile of Forsaken PC Genres if this release goes belly up-I hope I'm wrong I really do tho.

Torplexed · 01-27-10, 12:19 AM

Ever is a long time. Forever more so.

I can remember when we all thought the flawed SH2 was the end of the line for WW2 subsims. You never know what's brewing out there.

dcb · 01-27-10, 12:44 AM

This would create a pretty big uncovered niche and eventually a developer will find it proper to cover it, when people will get bored with the zillion of dumbed-down shooters and arcades that are norm these days. It will take years for this, but it will eventually happen.

Letum · 01-27-10, 12:45 AM

There is at least one more WW2 u-boat sim in development as we speak.

01-27-10, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

There is at least one more WW2 u-boat sim in development as we speak.

we trust you wont be following the UBI example of how to ruin a game and bad advertising strategy when its ready lol

Letum · 01-27-10, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Webster

we trust you wont be following the UBI example of how to ruin a game and bad advertising strategy when its ready lol

Heh, I wasn't talking about subwolves, thats a strategy game.
I meant Dangerdeep.

ParaB · 01-27-10, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by difool2

...modern combat flight sims have been extinct for several years....

Ever played Black Shark? Or Yankee Air Pirate 2? I take it you're not that much interested in the A-10 sim developed by DCS? I certainly wouldn't call that 'extinct'. Maybe 'dormant'.

Game development is based on demand. If a developer/publisher thinks there's a reasonable market for sims they WILL produce them. With the advent of online distribution I actually think the future of sims doesn't look so bad. Of course, this comes with a caveat:

The days of big-budget simulations by major developers is IMO over. We will never see a Falcon 4.0 again. Nor will we ever see sims again like in the 'golden age' of sims with thick printed manuals and great production values like in the early 90s. The future of the mass-market is the casual player.

But IMO smaller, independent devs WILL take up the challenge sooner or later.

01-27-10, 12:10 AM	#1
difool2 Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	The last subsim ever? Inspired by the thread on all the features lost from old subsims. Now, I consider myself a pretty optimistic guy, but, in the wake of the bad (truncated campaign), badder (only one sub) & baddest (intrusive DRM) news lately, I now wonder if this will be the last game which will ever claim the title of being a subsim. Modern subsims are now history, & modern combat flight sims have been extinct for several years (tho there's a few WWI/WWII ones floating around of course). I fear that subsims may join the Pile of Forsaken PC Genres if this release goes belly up-I hope I'm wrong I really do tho.

01-27-10, 12:45 AM	#4
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	There is at least one more WW2 u-boat sim in development as we speak. __________________

01-27-10, 12:19 AM	#2
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Ever is a long time. Forever more so. I can remember when we all thought the flawed SH2 was the end of the line for WW2 subsims. You never know what's brewing out there.

01-27-10, 12:44 AM	#3
dcb Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 845 Downloads: 544 Uploads: 0	This would create a pretty big uncovered niche and eventually a developer will find it proper to cover it, when people will get bored with the zillion of dumbed-down shooters and arcades that are norm these days. It will take years for this, but it will eventually happen.