Sinking Passenger Liners

Captain Birdseye · 08-30-09, 04:13 PM

Titanic has been on TV tonight.. it got me thinking.

Do you think if we, the captain, saw through the periscope the horror and fear the people on board were facing, with women and children also being killed cruelly, do you think we'd think twice on siking passenger liners? instead of thinking of the tonnage?

Torplexed · 08-30-09, 04:30 PM

There came a point in the war after 1940 where most passenger liners were hauling troops, not civilians and if they weren't they soon would be.

Red Heat · 08-30-09, 04:37 PM

*Salute

In my war patrols (at the moment im starting a new caraer, 3rd war patrol
October 1939) all ships are targets, with exception of the Hospital Ships, they are the only type of ships wich i never attack or sunk!

Spike88 · 08-30-09, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Heat

*Salute

In my war patrols (at the moment im starting a new caraer, 3rd war patrol
October 1939) all ships are targets, with exception of the Hospital Ships, they are the only type of ships wich i never attack or sunk!

I sink them both.

bojan811 · 08-30-09, 06:10 PM

Is there a penalty if you sink the pasinger liner in gwx gold?
Gwx manual quote
"GWX adds lighting to the stock Silent Hunter III Passenger Liner and restricts it to neutral countries."

Spike88 · 08-30-09, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bojan811

Is there a penalty if you sink the pasinger liner in gwx gold?
Gwx manual quote
"GWX adds lighting to the stock Silent Hunter III Passenger Liner and restricts it to neutral countries."

This just means that only Neutral liners will have lights on at night. Bdu gives you permission to sink any ship with its lights off, so this way you wont end up sinking a neutral at night.

bojan811 · 08-30-09, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike88

This just means that only Neutral liners will have lights on at night. Bdu gives you permission to sink any ship with its lights off, so this way you wont end up sinking a neutral at night.

Oh yaeh your right.
I was wrong to interpret because of my English. I do not understand all that wery well.
Thanks for the explanation.

Brag · 08-30-09, 08:41 PM

In real life I met an englishman born in Brazil. He was heading to join the RN on a ship bound for the UK. The vessel was full of Brits from Brazil, Argentina and CHile. The ship was torpedoed. Once the liner was abandoned by passengers and crew, the submarine surfaced. Presumably the captain, asked the people on the life boats if they had everythin they needed. he then told them whic course to take for nearest land.

The U-boat sailed away.

Steeltrap · 08-30-09, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brag

In real life I met an englishman born in Brazil. He was heading to join the RN on a ship bound for the UK. The vessel was full of Brits from Brazil, Argentina and CHile. The ship was torpedoed. Once the liner was abandoned by passengers and crew, the submarine surfaced. Presumably the captain, asked the people on the life boats if they had everythin they needed. he then told them whic course to take for nearest land.

The U-boat sailed away.

That was farily common, as far as I've read. Peter Cremer discussed it in U333.

The skippers/crews didn't like to think of the people they were killing. They tended to think of them as fellow seamen, and also understood they themselves could be in the same situation.

Pegasus2 · 08-31-09, 09:55 AM

I read U-109 did this several times to crews of Merchant vessels early in the war. They gave them food, water and blankets as well as directions.

I also remember a U-boat picking up many survivors from a ship, so many they filled the entire deck and they were taking them to a port.

BROJD · 08-31-09, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brag

In real life I met an englishman born in Brazil. He was heading to join the RN on a ship bound for the UK. The vessel was full of Brits from Brazil, Argentina and CHile. The ship was torpedoed. Once the liner was abandoned by passengers and crew, the submarine surfaced. Presumably the captain, asked the people on the life boats if they had everythin they needed. he then told them whic course to take for nearest land.

The U-boat sailed away.

Those were the U-Boat orders in the first couple months of the war, as Hitler and the Germans tried to comply somewhat with the 1928 (?) convention on seaman and hoped to forestall a full war with Britain and France.

At the very beginning, a U-boat would surface and give warning to a ship before sinking her.

Uncle Goose · 09-02-09, 04:53 AM

This all changed after the Laconia incident. Also remember that later in war U-boats rarely came close to ships and thus saw little of the horrors they inflicted on ships. But they knew what happened to the sailors.

Red Heat · 09-02-09, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike88

I sink them both.

Oh yes, and later you have a renow penalty (negative renow) for both actions!
Specialy for sunk a Hospital Ship!

={FH}=Paddy · 09-02-09, 06:28 AM

There are also documented cases of early days in the war of U-boats taking torpedoed boat survivors on their decks (or towing life rafts) to a near by port. This practice was however short lived as allied aircraft took the opportunity to strafe these U-boats which inevitably both resulted in German and Allied seamen casualties.
It all got nastier from then on in……..

(Ooops - *Uncle Goose* correctly mentions this already - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident)

Red Heat · 09-02-09, 07:32 PM

and this ones too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff

08-30-09, 04:13 PM	#1
Captain Birdseye Watch Officer Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sat behind my desk at BdU tapping away on my Enigma machine. Posts: 339 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Sinking Passenger Liners Titanic has been on TV tonight.. it got me thinking. Do you think if we, the captain, saw through the periscope the horror and fear the people on board were facing, with women and children also being killed cruelly, do you think we'd think twice on siking passenger liners? instead of thinking of the tonnage?

08-30-09, 04:37 PM	#3
Red Heat Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,093 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	*Salute In my war patrols (at the moment im starting a new caraer, 3rd war patrol October 1939) all ships are targets, with exception of the Hospital Ships, they are the only type of ships wich i never attack or sunk! __________________ "There is three kinds of man: the living, the death, and those who are at Sea." Plato

08-30-09, 08:41 PM	#8
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	In real life I met an englishman born in Brazil. He was heading to join the RN on a ship bound for the UK. The vessel was full of Brits from Brazil, Argentina and CHile. The ship was torpedoed. Once the liner was abandoned by passengers and crew, the submarine surfaced. Presumably the captain, asked the people on the life boats if they had everythin they needed. he then told them whic course to take for nearest land. The U-boat sailed away. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

09-02-09, 06:28 AM	#14
={FH}=Paddy Electrician's Mate Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dublin - Ireland - 53° 15′ 54.36″ N, 6° 6′ 49.32″ W Posts: 136 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	There are also documented cases of early days in the war of U-boats taking torpedoed boat survivors on their decks (or towing life rafts) to a near by port. This practice was however short lived as allied aircraft took the opportunity to strafe these U-boats which inevitably both resulted in German and Allied seamen casualties. It all got nastier from then on in…….. (Ooops - Uncle Goose correctly mentions this already - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident) __________________ ={Draft beer not people}=

09-02-09, 07:32 PM	#15
Red Heat Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,093 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	and this ones too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff __________________ "There is three kinds of man: the living, the death, and those who are at Sea." Plato

08-30-09, 04:30 PM	#2
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	There came a point in the war after 1940 where most passenger liners were hauling troops, not civilians and if they weren't they soon would be.

08-30-09, 06:10 PM	#5
bojan811 Engineer Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 207 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	Is there a penalty if you sink the pasinger liner in gwx gold? Gwx manual quote "GWX adds lighting to the stock Silent Hunter III Passenger Liner and restricts it to neutral countries."

08-31-09, 09:55 AM	#10
Pegasus2 Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 12 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I read U-109 did this several times to crews of Merchant vessels early in the war. They gave them food, water and blankets as well as directions. I also remember a U-boat picking up many survivors from a ship, so many they filled the entire deck and they were taking them to a port.

09-02-09, 04:53 AM	#12
Uncle Goose Torpedoman Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 113 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This all changed after the Laconia incident. Also remember that later in war U-boats rarely came close to ships and thus saw little of the horrors they inflicted on ships. But they knew what happened to the sailors.