Its all our (US) fault !

[SteamWake]

The Obama administration continues its "apologize for America tour"

Hillary Clinton

"We acknowledge now with President Obama that we have made mistakes in the United States, and we along with other developed countries have contributed most significantly to the problem that we face with climate change," she said. "We are hoping a great country like India will not make the same mistakes."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...JFg7wD99GR47G1

Now I admit that the US produces a goodly amount of pollutants however when compared to some other, less regulated countries such as China, India and others we are slackers.

I might also point out that the US has the tightest regulations and have spent more money and effort to reduce emissioins than any other country on eatrh.

So much for leading by example.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

the US has the tightest regulations

I'm highly skeptical of that.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Letum

I'm highly skeptical of that.

Really? Okay who does regulate emissions stronger than the US ?

[breadcatcher101]

America has indeed made many mistakes in her past.

The latest one was in electing him as president.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Really? Okay who does regulate emissions stronger than the US ?

Holland.

[mookiemookie]

Saying America has never made a mistake is pretty arrogant.

Originally Posted by Steam Wake

I might also point out that the US has the tightest regulations and have spent more money and effort to reduce emissioins than any other country on eatrh.

As they say on Wikipedia: [citation needed]

[SteamWake]

Holland :rotfl:

Meh ...India isnt having anything to do with it anyhow.

“There is simply no case for the pressure that we, who have been among the lowest emissions per capita, face to actually reduce emissions,” Jairam Ramesh, India’s environment minister told Mrs Clinton. “And as if this pressure was not enough, we also face the threat of carbon tariffs on our exports to countries such as yours.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/741cc2f0-7...44feabdc0.html

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Really? Okay who does regulate emissions stronger than the US ?

Before we delve into this any further, where did you find your reference for the claim that "the US has the tightest regulations and has spent more money and effort to reduce emissioins than any other country on eatrh"?

Out of curiosity, have you ever downloaded the Google Toolbar for your Internet browser? It comes with a spellchecker.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Before we delve into this any further, where did you find your reference for the claim that "the US has the tightest regulations and has spent more money and effort to reduce emissioins than any other country on eatrh"?

Out of curiosity, have you ever downloaded the Google Toolbar for your Internet browser? It comes with a spellchecker.

How about this, you prove me wrong. I tried to do a little searching and found it very very difficult to get past global warming propaganda and find actual facts. Only thing I keep getting is how the US leads in Co2 emissions

But call it a gut feeling in the meantime. Its the reason we are so dependant on forigen oil, cannot build nuclear facilitys, why cars are so damn expensive, and industrys scramble to comply with these 'lax' requiements often finding it financially un-sustainable and shut their doors.

In the meantime I dont really give a crap about my bad spelling in a forum.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

How about this, you prove me wrong.

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.

I tried to do a little searching and found it very very difficult to get past actual facts and find something that backs up my wild assertation.

Fixed that for you.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.
.

Nah not really its not worth my time. Just pass it off as a 'wild accusation'.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

How about this, you prove me wrong.

You were the one who made the original claim, ergo you must provide evidence. I have made no such claim; I simply have asked for evidence. It's quite simple really. If you can't provide it, then your statement is useless, not to mention baseless and evidently absent of factual backing.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

I tried to do a little searching and found it very very difficult to get past global warming propaganda and find actual facts.

Dig and find it, or admit it was not based around cold, hard facts and merely personal feeling/opinion.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

But call it a gut feeling in the meantime.

So it isn't based on hard fact. You can't apparently can't find sources either.

Thank you for clearing this issue up.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Its the reason we are so dependant on forigen oil, cannot build nuclear facilitys, why cars are so damn expensive, and industrys scramble to comply with these 'lax' requiements often finding it financially un-sustainable and shut their doors.

And this is still based around your original claim that "the US has the tightest regulations and has spent more money and effort to reduce emissioins than any other country on eatrh", which still remains without a source of any kind.

We aren't drilling off our opposing coasts for oil because of the environmental ecosystem implications it would have, not because of CO2 levels; this has caused us to become dependent on foreign imports more than anything.

Additionally, nuclear facilities emit very low levels of CO2. The main problem with them is the waste they produce must be disposed of in a safe manner, and even then you'll be contaminating the environment to some extent. They're also expensive to build (takes a long time to construct them, too; up to a decade at the cost of several billion dollars; here's a fine example: http://www.tampabay.com/news/busines...icle701322.ece), maintain, and decomission.

Cars are now expensive because of inflation, not because of environmental laws revolving around the CO2 issue. It's not just cars though. When was the last time you went to the market? EVERYTHING has gotten higher in cost.

What industries? I haven't heard of any. Can you list some with a news article on the issue?

Originally Posted by SteamWake

In the meantime I dont really give a crap about my bad spelling in a forum.

You should. People will have a hard time understanding you.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Nah not really its not worth my time.

No really it is. Otherwise, what reason do we have to trust what you say? Moreover, WHY should we trust you?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Really? Okay who does regulate emissions stronger than the US ?

California. 'nough said... They are their own country, right? No one on this planet can hold a candle to them.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you....

Wrong!!! You are the one that challenged that assertion. You should be the one putting your money where your mouth is.


Why is everyone so backwards here when it comes to crap like this? Are you all just too lazy to bring something to the table? I imagine a bunch of opinionated fat people sitting around a computer challenging something without wanting to put the effort in.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

And since I'm at it, I'm deeply concerned about our president running around and telling the world that we are bad people. He is running around to Arabs and telling them that we are in the wrong and they are in the right. Now this! He is making people that hate us hate us worse for no reason!

WTH is he up to?

-S