German Constitutional High Court delays ratification of EU plan for Lisbon coup

Skybird · 06-30-09, 07:09 AM

The German Constitutional High Court has accepted a legal complaint brought in by several Ministerpresidents from the left as well as the conservative camp. The court ruled that the Lisbon coup document may not become valid in Germany, as long as the national legal basis in laws - that regulate that EU proposals neverthelss must be be checked and agreed on by federal states and federal parliaments - have been improved, because the Lisbon dictate in it's current form violates the constitutional demand for parliamentary control of legislation and policy-forming. This is to prevent a marching through by the EU that so far is given the power to press it's proposals through national parliaments without the latter having a legal right to reject them.

The German state president Köhler so far has refused to sign the Lisbon coup plan, although the Bundestag, with most members never having read the whole Lisbon dicate and not knowing what it means, already has ratified it in violation of the German constitution and against the demand of the German people. Thinking of some thorough mindwork of members of parliament here.

They agreed to themselves being forced to violate the constitution and to ignore their parliamentary duties, not to mention their obligation towards those who elected them. Clever.

In a reader's poll in one newspaper today, n=3000+, roughly two thirds of readers said the Lisbon treaty is so bad that it should be scrapped alltogether, one in six said the treaty needs massive and fundamental changes and corrections, just one in ten said that in principle it is nice but nevertheless need corrections and improvements, and just one in ten said the treaty is fine like it is right now. Let'S do not rad toomuch into this one poll alone, it is no systematic poll representing a methodologically valid statistic - but it reflects a trend in weighing of antipathy and sympathy to the Lisbon dictate that you find time and again in German polls on the issue. A very huge majority of Germans is highly sceptical or openly hostile to this damn thing, and only a very small minority approves it - this is the trend you see in most systematic representative polls, too. I usually say 70% or more are against it (most of them strictly), 30% or less are in favour of it (with or without changes to it).

the court ruling should not be overstimated, it just means a delay, and politicians are world champions in bypassing legal limitations to things they want to get done. Also it is a typical ruling of that High Court: most often it is a little bit for everyone, but no real substantial Yes or No at all, and the Couirt is traditonally very europe-friendly anyway, due to a latent German bad consciousness towards the rest of the world. It is a bit more than I expected, but in no way as much as I see necessary.

The Czech and Polish presidents wait for the Irish votum, which again are being lured to the polls to make them vote like the EU wants it. If they say Nay again (I'm sceptical, but the hope dies last), they will be sent to the polls again some time later, I'm sure, or the politicians will find ways to abandon procedures and ratify it themselves.

The ratification of national parliaments in most cases means not much, since most did it in violation of public opinons at home (and in lacking knowledge of what that "treaty" really means). Which means the elected do not fulfill the will of those who elected them. Those who ratified it also hardly decided on the special prices won by the Irish so far in order to buy their vote. The Polish argument that past ratifications did not include these special offers, is correct.

Lisbon treaty. The most expensive toilet paper currently available.

And very damaging to political health.

06-30-09, 07:09 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	German Constitutional High Court delays ratification of EU plan for Lisbon coup The German Constitutional High Court has accepted a legal complaint brought in by several Ministerpresidents from the left as well as the conservative camp. The court ruled that the Lisbon coup document may not become valid in Germany, as long as the national legal basis in laws - that regulate that EU proposals neverthelss must be be checked and agreed on by federal states and federal parliaments - have been improved, because the Lisbon dictate in it's current form violates the constitutional demand for parliamentary control of legislation and policy-forming. This is to prevent a marching through by the EU that so far is given the power to press it's proposals through national parliaments without the latter having a legal right to reject them. The German state president Köhler so far has refused to sign the Lisbon coup plan, although the Bundestag, with most members never having read the whole Lisbon dicate and not knowing what it means, already has ratified it in violation of the German constitution and against the demand of the German people. Thinking of some thorough mindwork of members of parliament here. They agreed to themselves being forced to violate the constitution and to ignore their parliamentary duties, not to mention their obligation towards those who elected them. Clever. In a reader's poll in one newspaper today, n=3000+, roughly two thirds of readers said the Lisbon treaty is so bad that it should be scrapped alltogether, one in six said the treaty needs massive and fundamental changes and corrections, just one in ten said that in principle it is nice but nevertheless need corrections and improvements, and just one in ten said the treaty is fine like it is right now. Let'S do not rad toomuch into this one poll alone, it is no systematic poll representing a methodologically valid statistic - but it reflects a trend in weighing of antipathy and sympathy to the Lisbon dictate that you find time and again in German polls on the issue. A very huge majority of Germans is highly sceptical or openly hostile to this damn thing, and only a very small minority approves it - this is the trend you see in most systematic representative polls, too. I usually say 70% or more are against it (most of them strictly), 30% or less are in favour of it (with or without changes to it). the court ruling should not be overstimated, it just means a delay, and politicians are world champions in bypassing legal limitations to things they want to get done. Also it is a typical ruling of that High Court: most often it is a little bit for everyone, but no real substantial Yes or No at all, and the Couirt is traditonally very europe-friendly anyway, due to a latent German bad consciousness towards the rest of the world. It is a bit more than I expected, but in no way as much as I see necessary. The Czech and Polish presidents wait for the Irish votum, which again are being lured to the polls to make them vote like the EU wants it. If they say Nay again (I'm sceptical, but the hope dies last), they will be sent to the polls again some time later, I'm sure, or the politicians will find ways to abandon procedures and ratify it themselves. The ratification of national parliaments in most cases means not much, since most did it in violation of public opinons at home (and in lacking knowledge of what that "treaty" really means). Which means the elected do not fulfill the will of those who elected them. Those who ratified it also hardly decided on the special prices won by the Irish so far in order to buy their vote. The Polish argument that past ratifications did not include these special offers, is correct. Lisbon treaty. The most expensive toilet paper currently available. And very damaging to political health. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.