The most missing feature in SH III

AndyW · 06-03-09, 04:07 PM

With all the mods and workarounds around making this game already a good 400% better compared to the vanilla stock game, what would be the one thing you would like to change if you can?

- the weather model
- the incompetent helmsman
- the game telling you when the enemy lost contact with you
- more sub types
- the old graphic engine
- more compartments to walk around (diesels, torpedo room)
- interactive BdU orders
- multiplayer / wolfpacks
- enemy a/c mot using depth charges / Fidos
- better enemy escort AI

etc. etc., add your most wanted wish

To me it's the weather engine that drives me crazy

. Four weeks of storm in a row with 15 m/s wind in the Southern Atlantic - that drives me crazy

Cheers,

nikbear · 06-03-09, 04:16 PM

For me it would have to be Wolfpacks,when you think of the Atlantic War,its one of the first things that spring to mind

Some of the other feature's I can understand not being in the game,time and the ability of PC's back then was a deciding factor I suppose when it came to deciding what went in,But....No Wolfpacks

What were they thinking!

Hitman · 06-03-09, 04:36 PM

There crude workarounds for the weather problem. Not perfect, but reasonable. But for the wolfpacks there is no good substitute

because you only can replicate the massive attack and only in those convoys that have AI subs added to them. But not the whole hunt, shadowing, coordination from BDU, etc.

To me wolfpacks is the key feature missing in this game yet.

When, and if, the GWX4 guys manage to implement a similar AI sub as we have today (thanks to sergbuto) combined with SH4's ability to actually call the pack, we will have done a giant step forward.

Bent Periscope · 06-03-09, 05:11 PM

Wolfpacks!

Kapt Z · 06-03-09, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by nikbear

For me it would have to be Wolfpacks,when you think of the Atlantic War,its one of the first things that spring to mind

Some of the other feature's I can understand not being in the game,time and the ability of PC's back then was a deciding factor I suppose when it came to deciding what went in,But....No Wolfpacks

What were they thinking!

I couldn't agree more. Whenever there is a post of this type I always answer the same. I would give up a lot of eye candy to have realistic wolfpacks.

Sgtmonkeynads · 06-03-09, 08:27 PM

Packs would be THE game changer. I would like to see some different orders in the game, and acknowlegement for completeing them. By orders I'm talking about like when you begin prewar. you could have to go to Scappa and take depth measurements outside, inside, and around the enter points. Or you could, I don't know transport the Ark of the Covenant to secret location?

Hartmann · 06-03-09, 08:58 PM

Another big problem is that IA boats don´t dive or surface, so in case of a wolfpack, they are sitting ducks in the surface or pinned down at periscope depth with the limited speed and range

Brer Rabbit · 06-03-09, 10:33 PM

I think there is a place for a fatigue model, that does not require micro managing or sit-down strikes by the crew. The maximum downside for a fatigued crew shoule be something like a 50% reduction in effectiveness, i.e. loss of engine speed, longer load times, missed sightings etc

Jukra · 06-04-09, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyW

With all the mods and workarounds around making this game already a good 400% better compared to the vanilla stock game, what would be the one thing you would like to change if you can?

1. Weather engine for the reasons said
2. Better shallow water operations. Ie. the difficult acoustic conditions, tides, ability to bottom to escape detection. Now it's exactly the wrong way around, it's much harder for U-boat to live in shallow compared to deep waters!

minute · 06-04-09, 08:20 AM

More intelligent ship behaviour (i.e. not just ship zig-zagging along a very predictable route) and better ship phisics, i.e. fixing the insane breaking/acceleration of large ships.

mookiemookie · 06-04-09, 08:45 AM

Wolfpacks, definately. It's what U-boats were known for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jukra

1. Weather engine for the reasons said
2. Better shallow water operations. Ie. the difficult acoustic conditions, tides, ability to bottom to escape detection. Now it's exactly the wrong way around, it's much harder for U-boat to live in shallow compared to deep waters!

Not quite. Shallow water meant death for a submerged U-boat. In sub warfare, depth is your friend.

Jukra · 06-04-09, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Not quite. Shallow water meant death for a submerged U-boat. In sub warfare, depth is your friend.

It meant death if the opponent could find and fix you in the first place. In shallow waters with fresh and salty water mixing, different temperature waters etc. it was very hard to find a submarine, even during 1980's. Moreover, if there's a lot of skerries etc. even schnorkeling wasn't as risky as in open waters.

onelifecrisis · 06-04-09, 10:42 AM

AI improvements (ships which are not so robotic) is at top of my personal never-gonna-happen-in-SH3 wish list.

Letum · 06-04-09, 10:45 AM

The weather.
I am yet to see a fix that produces a good balance of weather.

FIREWALL · 06-04-09, 11:06 AM

Currents and better thermal layers and all the above.

06-03-09, 04:07 PM	#1
AndyW Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 133 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	The most missing feature in SH III With all the mods and workarounds around making this game already a good 400% better compared to the vanilla stock game, what would be the one thing you would like to change if you can? - the weather model - the incompetent helmsman - the game telling you when the enemy lost contact with you - more sub types - the old graphic engine - more compartments to walk around (diesels, torpedo room) - interactive BdU orders - multiplayer / wolfpacks - enemy a/c mot using depth charges / Fidos - better enemy escort AI etc. etc., add your most wanted wish To me it's the weather engine that drives me crazy . Four weeks of storm in a row with 15 m/s wind in the Southern Atlantic - that drives me crazy Cheers, __________________ currently U-200 (Type IXD2) Ltn.z.See Schonder, 2nd patrol (July 1943) [SH3 1.4b + GWX 2.1 @ 90% realism + U-Jagdtools + LRT + Seadbed Repair, DiD] TOTAL: 11 careers, 47 patrols, 1,033 days at sea, 633,585 tons sunk

06-03-09, 04:16 PM	#2
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	For me it would have to be Wolfpacks,when you think of the Atlantic War,its one of the first things that spring to mind Some of the other feature's I can understand not being in the game,time and the ability of PC's back then was a deciding factor I suppose when it came to deciding what went in,But....No Wolfpacks What were they thinking! __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

06-03-09, 04:36 PM	#3
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	There crude workarounds for the weather problem. Not perfect, but reasonable. But for the wolfpacks there is no good substitute because you only can replicate the massive attack and only in those convoys that have AI subs added to them. But not the whole hunt, shadowing, coordination from BDU, etc. To me wolfpacks is the key feature missing in this game yet. When, and if, the GWX4 guys manage to implement a similar AI sub as we have today (thanks to sergbuto) combined with SH4's ability to actually call the pack, we will have done a giant step forward. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

06-03-09, 08:27 PM	#6
Sgtmonkeynads Ships Secretary Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MilesCity Montana Posts: 583 Downloads: 614 Uploads: 0	Packs would be THE game changer. I would like to see some different orders in the game, and acknowlegement for completeing them. By orders I'm talking about like when you begin prewar. you could have to go to Scappa and take depth measurements outside, inside, and around the enter points. Or you could, I don't know transport the Ark of the Covenant to secret location? __________________ Just help someone.....it makes a difference

06-03-09, 08:58 PM	#7
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Another big problem is that IA boats don´t dive or surface, so in case of a wolfpack, they are sitting ducks in the surface or pinned down at periscope depth with the limited speed and range __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

06-03-09, 05:11 PM	#4
Bent Periscope Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dry docks of Los Angeles, CA Posts: 250 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Wolfpacks!

06-03-09, 10:33 PM	#8
Brer Rabbit Briar Patch Runner Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 95 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	Decent fatigue model I think there is a place for a fatigue model, that does not require micro managing or sit-down strikes by the crew. The maximum downside for a fatigued crew shoule be something like a 50% reduction in effectiveness, i.e. loss of engine speed, longer load times, missed sightings etc

06-04-09, 08:20 AM	#10
minute Loader Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 87 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	More intelligent ship behaviour (i.e. not just ship zig-zagging along a very predictable route) and better ship phisics, i.e. fixing the insane breaking/acceleration of large ships.

06-04-09, 10:42 AM	#13
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	AI improvements (ships which are not so robotic) is at top of my personal never-gonna-happen-in-SH3 wish list. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

06-04-09, 10:45 AM	#14
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	The weather. I am yet to see a fix that produces a good balance of weather. __________________

06-04-09, 11:06 AM	#15
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Currents and better thermal layers and all the above. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???