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Old 03-01-09, 04:26 PM   #1
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Want to communicate as the U-Bootwaffe did?
Practice your Morse code (U-Boot related only please).
Check out this link:
http://www.bts-mods.com/forums/index.php?board=1.0
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Old 03-02-09, 11:47 AM   #2
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BdU to all U-Boats.
-.-. --- -- . --- -. --. ..- -.-- ... -.. .-. --- .--. -... -.-- - --- -...- ... .-.-.- -.-. --- -- .- -. -.. ... .- -.-- .... .. --.
.. ...- . -.-- ..- -... .- - -. ..- -- -... .-. .. -. -- --- .-. ... . -.- ..- .-. - --..

Link: http://www.learnmorsecode.com/

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Old 03-02-09, 12:10 PM   #3
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Want to communicate as the U-Bootwaffe did?
Practice your Morse code (U-Boot related only please).
Check out this link:
http://www.bts-mods.com/forums/index.php?board=1.0
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They didn't communicate that way, they communicated this way:



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Old 03-02-09, 02:50 PM   #4
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Morse code lessons combined with Enigma simulator would be a hardcore experience http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm

It's a shame you can't use it in SH3 though

Kriegsmarine B | II VI VIII | 25 24 05 | AS BG CZ DK FM HU IT NP OQ RW | MBH ERS

QQBE VYXI YOXF XEME FPOX URPV

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Contact 1604/2/1 17
QBWL DTOQ XPOA EDEG XLJG BAFE IEDF KLLN DDQW OATY
XMXV HXRC QVQL VJSZ RCLP
QBWL DTOQ
SK


The ground settings are the same as yours, using the actual u-boat procedures from http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmaproc.htm (minus the bigram tables)




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QBWL DTOQ XPOA EDEG XLJG BAFE IEDF KLLN DDQW OATY
XMXV HXRC QVQL VJSZ RCLP
QBWL DTOQ
SK


The ground settings are the same as yours, using the actual u-boat procedures from http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmaproc.htm (minus the bigram tables)





Something is wrong with this message on my end. Did you made it all exact the same way as I cyphred that message ?

B | II VI VIII | 25 24 05 | AS BG CZ DK FM HU IT NP OQ RW | MBH ERS ?
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Hi

I have been lerning morse code for a wile now and i think i am getting quite good at it.

Morse code converter.
http://www.scoutnet.nl/~inter/morse/morseform.html

Morse code graph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Morse_code_tree3.png

Morse code .VS. sms


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Morse code lessons combined with Enigma simulator would be a hardcore experience http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm

It's a shame you can't use it in SH3 though

Kriegsmarine B | II VI VIII | 25 24 05 | AS BG CZ DK FM HU IT NP OQ RW | MBH ERS

QQBE VYXI YOXF XEME FPOX URPV
Awesome program, Ace! Thanks!

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Just for info if interested:
http://cryptocellar.web.cern.ch/cryp...gma/index.html

They got links to authentic messages (both Heer and Kriegsmarine) and links to Enigma simulator programs.
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Morse code lessons combined with Enigma simulator would be a hardcore experience http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm

It's a shame you can't use it in SH3 though

Kriegsmarine B | II VI VIII | 25 24 05 | AS BG CZ DK FM HU IT NP OQ RW | MBH ERS

QQBE VYXI YOXF XEME FPOX URPV
Congratulations you made it

Use the above key settings, (with the keys set at after your message was sent)
Reply.
-.-. .-- ...- --- -.-. -... ..- -.-. .-- .-- ..- ... - ..-. -.- --. . .-.. -.-- ...- ..- . --. .-. .-. -..- ..- .--. . --.- - ... --- --
.. ...- .--- --.- --- -..- .-- ..- --.. --. -... ..- -- .-
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Old 03-02-09, 07:55 PM   #11
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QBWL DTOQ XPOA EDEG XLJG BAFE IEDF KLLN DDQW OATY
XMXV HXRC QVQL VJSZ RCLP
QBWL DTOQ
SK


The ground settings are the same as yours, using the actual u-boat procedures from http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmaproc.htm (minus the bigram tables)




Something is wrong with this message on my end. Did you made it all exact the same way as I cyphred that message ?

B | II VI VIII | 25 24 05 | AS BG CZ DK FM HU IT NP OQ RW | MBH ERS ?
My "ground settings" are the same. In other words, this part is the same:

B | II VI VIII | 25 24 05 | AS BG CZ DK FM HU IT NP OQ RW

My indicators, if you looked at standard Ubootwaffe procedure, were buried in the first and second (and last two) groups, with padding applied. The first two groups and last two groups are QBWL DTOQ. Per standard procedure, the first character of the first group, and the last character of the second group, are "padding" that can be ignored, giving a cipher indicator of BWL DTO. Set the wheels to BWL, then type in DTO to get the message setting.

For a real Ubootwaffe message I would have enciphered the first two groups with a bigram table, but I don't have one handy, so I went easy on you

The first line is a preamble with the entity the message is for (you), the time sent, the date sent, and the serial number of the message, follow by the number of groups.

The last "SK" is a Morse prosign for "End of Schedule".


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Contact 1604/2/1 17
QBWL DTOQ XPOA EDEG XLJG BAFE IEDF KLLN DDQW OATY
XMXV HXRC QVQL VJSZ RCLP
QBWL DTOQ
SK


The ground settings are the same as yours, using the actual u-boat procedures from http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmaproc.htm (minus the bigram tables)




Something is wrong with this message on my end. Did you made it all exact the same way as I cyphred that message ?

B | II VI VIII | 25 24 05 | AS BG CZ DK FM HU IT NP OQ RW | MBH ERS ?
My "ground settings" are the same. In other words, this part is the same:

B | II VI VIII | 25 24 05 | AS BG CZ DK FM HU IT NP OQ RW

My indicators, if you looked at standard Ubootwaffe procedure, were buried in the first and second (and last two) groups, with padding applied. The first two groups and last two groups are QBWL DTOQ. Per standard procedure, the first character of the first group, and the last character of the second group, are "padding" that can be ignored, giving a cipher indicator of BWL DTO. Set the wheels to BWL, then type in DTO to get the message setting.

For a real Ubootwaffe message I would have enciphered the first two groups with a bigram table, but I don't have one handy, so I went easy on you

The first line is a preamble with the entity the message is for (you), the time sent, the date sent, and the serial number of the message, follow by the number of groups.

The last "SK" is a Morse prosign for "End of Schedule".


THAN KSFO RTHE CONG RATU LATI ONSB UTIT SNOT ROCK ETSC IENC EXXX

Yesterday reading the link you provided to those procedures I noticed the repeat of same two groups in the begining and at the end. So I had a clue that you've changed the kennengrupen but could not figure out what they were. Probably due to late night time here My bad, sleepy head ain't working right when it comes to figuring out things I am going to study the procedure and hopefully will use it later.

Till now I was using the Enigma codebook tool which I find the way too easy already

P.S. Could I have another message to crack, please ?
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One tiny question: Did you add Kenngrupen QBWL DTOQ manually into the text or somehow via enigma ?
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Poster Bill 0925/3/ 1 9

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One tiny question: Did you add Kenngrupen QBWL DTOQ manually into the text or somehow via enigma ?
Manually.
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