Why we fight

August · 11-04-08, 04:11 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7708169.stm

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A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia first pleaded for her life, a witness has told the BBC.
"Don't kill me, don't kill me," she said, according to the man who wanted to remain anonymous. A few minutes later, more than 50 men threw stones.
Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13-year-old girl who had been raped.

Biggles · 11-04-08, 04:18 PM

Truly a tragic story, and I have no desire whatsoever to start a debate, but does the U.S gov. really wage war to stop these sort of things? Or do you mean the UN maybe?

Digital_Trucker · 11-04-08, 04:19 PM

You would think that with all the advancements man has made that things like this wouldn't be so common. Maybe when we "grow up"

Thomen · 11-04-08, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Meanwhile your country is allied with the likes of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia to name but a few.

And France..

VipertheSniper · 11-04-08, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

And France..

Haven't heard of any stonings there...

Thomen · 11-04-08, 04:26 PM

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And France..

Haven't heard of any stonings there...

Not sure about the authenticity.. but there ya go.

http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003883.php

August · 11-04-08, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

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Originally Posted by Thomen

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Meanwhile your country is allied with the likes of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia to name but a few.

And France..

France which conducts and has been conducting dirty diplomatic relations with Africa and some Arab regimes for decades, that's precisely why I wouldn't ever dare proclame that "this (injustice) is why we fight". That's total BS.

I wasn't aware that France was doing any fighting.

Jimbuna · 11-04-08, 04:30 PM

Somalia....the cornerstone of humanity

Stealth Hunter · 11-04-08, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

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Originally Posted by Thomen

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Meanwhile your country is allied with the likes of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia to name but a few.

And France..

France which conducts and has been conducting dirty diplomatic relations with Africa and some Arab regimes for decades, that's precisely why I wouldn't ever dare proclame that "this (injustice) is why we fight". That's total BS.

I wasn't aware that France was doing any fighting.

Maybe that's because they don't feel the need to be the world's policeman...

joea · 11-04-08, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

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Originally Posted by Thomen

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Meanwhile your country is allied with the likes of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia to name but a few.

And France..

France which conducts and has been conducting dirty diplomatic relations with Africa and some Arab regimes for decades, that's precisely why I wouldn't ever dare proclame that "this (injustice) is why we fight". That's total BS.

I wasn't aware that France was doing any fighting.

Forgetting about Afghanistan?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...anistan.france

August · 11-04-08, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

That doesn't surprise me one bit since apparently you were also unaware that some of your allies have stonings and beheading written in their laws.

"My" allies? You're saying that France is not allied with any government that allows stonings or beheadings?

August · 11-04-08, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by joea

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

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Originally Posted by Thomen

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Meanwhile your country is allied with the likes of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia to name but a few.

And France..

France which conducts and has been conducting dirty diplomatic relations with Africa and some Arab regimes for decades, that's precisely why I wouldn't ever dare proclame that "this (injustice) is why we fight". That's total BS.

I wasn't aware that France was doing any fighting.

Forgetting about Afghanistan?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...anistan.france

Why not?, Mikhayl is...

August · 11-04-08, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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That doesn't surprise me one bit since apparently you were also unaware that some of your allies have stonings and beheading written in their laws.

"My" allies? You're saying that France is not allied with any government that allows stonings or beheadings?

You quoted my post but looks like you missed it anyway so here it is again : France which conducts and has been conducting dirty diplomatic relations with Africa and some Arab regimes for decades, that's precisely why I wouldn't ever dare proclame that "this (injustice) is why we fight". That's total BS.

Well maybe you fight for some dirty diplomatic reason but don't be telling others why they fight.

Digital_Trucker · 11-04-08, 04:52 PM

I think, perhaps, the definition of "we" might need to be explained here. I don't think "we" is the United States or any other government, but, instead, is meant to be the soldiers who are actually doing the fighting. I would certainly be willing to fight against such things, as an individual or a citizen of my country. If that constitutes being the "worlds policeman", so be it. Looks like the world needs some policemen, it certainly isn't behaving in a civilized manner on it's own.

Edit : Yes, I include the government of my own country in my definition of the world.

Skybird · 11-04-08, 05:14 PM

It were the French who were bringing the Americans up to date regarding terror intel once America decided to go relocate some troops after 9/11. It also were the French who saved the Americans repeatedly from intel and military desasters in Iraq, after the invasion. Contacts between america and French inteol always was close and good at that time, despite Bush's rethoric yelling at Europe.

The French are running a top secret and top competent anti terror intel service and a dedicated counter-terrorism program that easily could compete and rival with the Amerian efforts, and in my view they are even better, and more professionally organised.

American and French troops regularly cooperated closely in ground combat in Afghanistan, and the French had a very tough and rocksolid reputation with the Ameicans there, leading that far that the american troops trusted them blindly.

ARTE showed two insightful docus on these two things, repeatedly over the past years. Especially regarding that top secret counter-terror-intelligence service, what was to be seen in that docu easily gave the impression to be superior to america'S intel efforts in many parts.

many Arab states fear the French intel more than any American service.

The French not fighting? Ha, laughable. America'S position in Afghanistan today would have been far worse today without the French. It's just that the French keep the lowest prpofile possible, and they are so good in that that not only you do not see much about them in the media, but that the silence is so total that you would not even assume they are active. But they are, and maybe more efficient in secrecy and efficiency than any other of the major Western players.

That they constantly get so massively understimated, is their success.

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Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Truly a tragic story, and I have no desire whatsoever to start a debate, but does the U.S gov. really wage war to stop these sort of things? Or do you mean the UN maybe? __________________

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Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	You would think that with all the advancements man has made that things like this wouldn't be so common. Maybe when we "grow up" __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Somalia....the cornerstone of humanity __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-04-08, 04:52 PM	#14
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	I think, perhaps, the definition of "we" might need to be explained here. I don't think "we" is the United States or any other government, but, instead, is meant to be the soldiers who are actually doing the fighting. I would certainly be willing to fight against such things, as an individual or a citizen of my country. If that constitutes being the "worlds policeman", so be it. Looks like the world needs some policemen, it certainly isn't behaving in a civilized manner on it's own. Edit : Yes, I include the government of my own country in my definition of the world. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave. Last edited by Digital_Trucker; 11-04-08 at 04:53 PM.

11-04-08, 05:14 PM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,621 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It were the French who were bringing the Americans up to date regarding terror intel once America decided to go relocate some troops after 9/11. It also were the French who saved the Americans repeatedly from intel and military desasters in Iraq, after the invasion. Contacts between america and French inteol always was close and good at that time, despite Bush's rethoric yelling at Europe. The French are running a top secret and top competent anti terror intel service and a dedicated counter-terrorism program that easily could compete and rival with the Amerian efforts, and in my view they are even better, and more professionally organised. American and French troops regularly cooperated closely in ground combat in Afghanistan, and the French had a very tough and rocksolid reputation with the Ameicans there, leading that far that the american troops trusted them blindly. ARTE showed two insightful docus on these two things, repeatedly over the past years. Especially regarding that top secret counter-terror-intelligence service, what was to be seen in that docu easily gave the impression to be superior to america'S intel efforts in many parts. many Arab states fear the French intel more than any American service. The French not fighting? Ha, laughable. America'S position in Afghanistan today would have been far worse today without the French. It's just that the French keep the lowest prpofile possible, and they are so good in that that not only you do not see much about them in the media, but that the silence is so total that you would not even assume they are active. But they are, and maybe more efficient in secrecy and efficiency than any other of the major Western players. That they constantly get so massively understimated, is their success. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 11-04-08 at 05:16 PM.