Myth #1 about Fallout 3 - it has no DRM - WRONG!

SUBMAN1 · 10-30-08, 07:55 AM

My copy has SecureROM. I know this because I made an image and loaded it into Daemon Tools so that I didn't have to find the DVD to play it. Well, SecureROM raised its ugly head and said there was a conflict with Daemon Tools on my machine. Nice.

If there is any good news in all this, it is that SecureROM operates like the older versions in that it doesn't take over your machine. It just does a simple check on start-up to see if it's the original DVD.

-S

Syxx_Killer · 10-30-08, 08:06 AM

Over on the official forums, there is a lengthy thread about the DRM with Fallout 3. All in all, it is a rather benign version of SecuROM included with the game (which I don't really have a problem with). This is in stark contrast, however, to the likes of Spore, Mass Effect, and Red Alert 3 which uses the much more draconian form of it (online checks, activation limits, etc.).

Falkirion · 10-30-08, 05:43 PM

Syxx thats why I'm glad I have Mass Effect for the 360, none of that DRM bull****. Just put in the DVD and play.

Looking forward to getting my hands on Fallout 3, might buy it today. Or I might hold off and get Rock Band instead. And before you say Rock Bands been out for over a year, let me just say we Aussies can be a little slow when it comes to getting new games out on time.

kiwi_2005 · 10-30-08, 06:14 PM

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Fallout 3 will, like Oblivion, only be shipping with mild forms of copy protection, the kind that people don't go onto the internet and complain about (there won't be any Spore-esque flame wars with Fallout 3).

*mild forms of copy protection*

Pretty much surprise they never went the full hog in protecting Fallout3, as the game will most likely be on every gamers 'to get' list.

10-30-08, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

as the game will most likely be on every gamers 'to get' list.

Its not on mine.

Robsoie · 10-31-08, 04:24 AM

question :

If according to Bethesda : "For Fallout 3’s copy protection on PC, we use the same security model as we did for Oblivion - a simple disc check. We only use SecuRom’s disc check functionality for copy protection" , why the choice of using Securom that is also known for some side effect regarding performance and compatibility ?

For "simple" cd check there are way simpler copy protections that have none of those side effects, do not install "services" and drivers, and more importantly for a publisher cost a lot less than the latest Securom software contracts.

Anyways, despite i was looking forward to get it one day, it is now one more game i just added to my boycott list.

GlobalExplorer · 10-31-08, 04:34 AM

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as the game will most likely be on every gamers 'to get' list.

Its not on mine.

What a stupid remark by kiwi_2005, talking about one of the most despised games in history.

Raptor1 · 10-31-08, 05:05 AM

But Fallout 3 doesn't have the cursed install limit, does it?

CCIP · 10-31-08, 05:14 AM

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as the game will most likely be on every gamers 'to get' list.

Its not on mine.

What a stupid remark by kiwi_2005, talking about one of the most despised games in history.

Despised by who? :p

I'd keep a more objective view there. It seems to be despised by what is essentially a small group of die-hard fans of old Fallout. That's like saying SHIII/IV are one of the most despised games in history based on what some of the staunch SHII adherents say...

SUBMAN1 · 10-31-08, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

But Fallout 3 doesn't have the cursed install limit, does it?

No

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GlobalExplorer · 10-31-08, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

But Fallout 3 doesn't have the cursed install limit, does it?

No

-S

Never heard of that either. Even the most fervent Bethhaters would agree that their DRM is pretty benign.

kiwi_2005 · 11-01-08, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

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Originally Posted by Rilder

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

as the game will most likely be on every gamers 'to get' list.

Its not on mine.

What a stupid remark by kiwi_2005, talking about one of the most despised games in history.

What the hell is despised about it,

I should have this game on my pc this week. So far the reviews ive read about it with best gave it a rating of 10/10 and average an 8. but im hoping i will read a quick review about it here. This game has such high scores that its either blardy good or its crap and the reviewers work for besheda

CCIP · 11-01-08, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

What the hell is despised about it,

I should have this game on my pc this week. So far the reviews ive read about it with best gave it a rating of 10/10 and average an 8. but im hoping i will read a quick review about it here. This game has such high scores that its either blardy good or its crap and the reviewers work for besheda

What, you don't remember the huge thread here a couple of weeks ago which was basically GlobalExplorer vs. a bunch of other people on whether Fallout 3 sucks or not?

Not to invalidate anyone's arguments, but given that most of us have already read them there... can we kind of keep it out of this thread?

Oh, and statistic check here: http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/918428.asp

Game has 93% rating over 13 major press reviews so far.

11-01-08, 03:26 AM

Major press reviewers.

The type of morons who gave Mount and blade a 69%

GlobalExplorer · 11-01-08, 06:19 AM

major press reviewers my ass

major title, big publisher score: 95% +/- 5%
indy title, strategy / sim that requires reading, learning curve, score: 70 +/- 10%

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the huge thread here a couple of weeks ago which was basically GlobalExplorer vs. a bunch of other people on whether Fallout 3 sucks or not?

Rilder, Wolfehunter, etc can you take over here? I think I'm getting a bad rep here if I go on with the bethbashing ..

10-31-08, 05:05 AM	#8
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10-30-08, 07:55 AM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Myth #1 about Fallout 3 - it has no DRM - WRONG! My copy has SecureROM. I know this because I made an image and loaded it into Daemon Tools so that I didn't have to find the DVD to play it. Well, SecureROM raised its ugly head and said there was a conflict with Daemon Tools on my machine. Nice. If there is any good news in all this, it is that SecureROM operates like the older versions in that it doesn't take over your machine. It just does a simple check on start-up to see if it's the original DVD. -S __________________

10-30-08, 08:06 AM	#2
Syxx_Killer Admiral Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 2,387 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Over on the official forums, there is a lengthy thread about the DRM with Fallout 3. All in all, it is a rather benign version of SecuROM included with the game (which I don't really have a problem with). This is in stark contrast, however, to the likes of Spore, Mass Effect, and Red Alert 3 which uses the much more draconian form of it (online checks, activation limits, etc.).

10-30-08, 05:43 PM	#3
Falkirion Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 1,043 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Syxx thats why I'm glad I have Mass Effect for the 360, none of that DRM bull****. Just put in the DVD and play. Looking forward to getting my hands on Fallout 3, might buy it today. Or I might hold off and get Rock Band instead. And before you say Rock Bands been out for over a year, let me just say we Aussies can be a little slow when it comes to getting new games out on time.

10-31-08, 04:24 AM	#6
Robsoie Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 130 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	question : If according to Bethesda : "For Fallout 3’s copy protection on PC, we use the same security model as we did for Oblivion - a simple disc check. We only use SecuRom’s disc check functionality for copy protection" , why the choice of using Securom that is also known for some side effect regarding performance and compatibility ? For "simple" cd check there are way simpler copy protections that have none of those side effects, do not install "services" and drivers, and more importantly for a publisher cost a lot less than the latest Securom software contracts. Anyways, despite i was looking forward to get it one day, it is now one more game i just added to my boycott list.

11-01-08, 03:26 AM	#14
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