No wonder Obama draws large crowds to his rallys

SUBMAN1 · 10-06-08, 08:07 AM

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...ly&btnG=Search

Just google that.

-S

PS. This means that McCain draws way more people simply wanting to hear his speeches.

Morts · 10-06-08, 08:36 AM

heeere we go again....

Konovalov · 10-06-08, 08:37 AM

Your ability to extrapolate such a conclusion apparently out of thin air astounds me.

Is this such an important electoral issue for you this November? By this I mean, is it important how many people the POTUS can pull at a rally or speech? Are issues such as jobs, retirement pensions, healthcare, security, energy and so on way down the pecking order?

Jimbuna · 10-06-08, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...ly&btnG=Search

Just google that.

-S

PS. This means that McCain draws way more people simply wanting to hear his speeches.

I give you 10/10 for persistence and tenacity

Digital_Trucker · 10-06-08, 09:01 AM

If you think about it a little bit, this kind of tactic can influence peoples opinions of how popular a candidate is (especially if coverage of the "events" makes no mention of the free concerts). What's really important is, does it influence voters to see thousands of people coming to see the "savior of our nation". Unfortunately, the answer to that is yes, it would influence thousands of ignorant voters into thinking that he must be good since so many people come to see him.

Konovalov · 10-06-08, 09:34 AM

Or simply because he is black as evidenced by this persons candid admission in a UK Times piece today:

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Then there is the intractable issue of race. Obama can expect a record black turnout but however bad the economy there is a significant number of white Ohioans, particularly in rural Appalachia, who would never vote for a black candidate. Mr Jacobs, the pawn shop manager, freely admitted he was one of them. “I don’t think the US is ready for a black president,” he said bluntly.

Exactly Mikhayl.

Digital_Trucker · 10-06-08, 09:52 AM

My point wasn't that tactics like this are only used by one side, just that calling the conclusion (and the practice) non-meaningful (i.e. posts 2 and 3) is not valid.

BTW : That voting because of race can be used both ways, both for and against.

Konovalov · 10-06-08, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

My point wasn't that tactics like this are only used by one side, just that calling the conclusion (and the practice) non-meaningful (i.e. posts 2 and 3) is not valid.

I was actually questioning Subman's conclusion when he said "PS. This means that McCain draws way more people simply wanting to hear his speeches." I neither said nor implied that the whole crowd thing was non-meaningful.

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

BTW : That voting because of race can be used both ways, both for and against.

Indeed.

I'm sure that there are some African American voters out there voting for Obama simply because he is black.

AVGWarhawk · 10-06-08, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...ly&btnG=Search

Just google that.

-S

PS. This means that McCain draws way more people simply wanting to hear his speeches.

I give you 10/10 for persistence and tenacity

There does seem to be a recurring theme here. I think 10/10 is on the money.

Digital_Trucker · 10-06-08, 10:43 AM

@Konavolov My apologies if I misunderstood the intention of your post. It did seem to imply that the concept that Subman espoused was incorrect. Was that not the intention? If one event includes a free concert and another doesn't, is it not reasonable to conclude that at least a percentage (probably a higher percentage than one would assume because of the age of Obamas followers) of the attendance of the event with a concert would be there simply for the free concert? If so, then Subman's conclusion isn't so unreasonable and certainly isn't pulled out of thin air (especially if you interpret "way more people" to mean a higher percentage).

As for whether it's important or not, that's whole different story.

August · 10-06-08, 10:56 AM

Reminds me of this saying back in the 60's as to why most anti-war rallies were over by 5pm. Because it gave everyone a chance to get home in time to see themselves on the 6pm news...

SUBMAN1 · 10-06-08, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

...If one event includes a free concert and another doesn't, is it not reasonable to conclude that at least a percentage (probably a higher percentage than one would assume because of the age of Obamas followers) of the attendance of the event with a concert would be there simply for the free concert? If so, then Subman's conclusion isn't so unreasonable and certainly isn't pulled out of thin air (especially if you interpret "way more people" to mean a higher percentage)....

That sums it up pretty well. We all know that concerts, especially free ones (I might even go myself to see a free concert!) draw in people.

What I do find funny is that people here are denying it! I mean seriously! I guess people think the moon is made out of cheese too.

-S

Hylander_1314 · 10-06-08, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

What I do find funny is that people here are denying it! I mean seriously! I guess people think the moon is made out of cheese too.

-S

Well where else would blue cheese, and blue cheese dressing come from!!!!!!!!?????????????

Kapt Z · 10-06-08, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

What's really important is, does it influence voters to see thousands of people coming to see the "savior of our nation". Unfortunately, the answer to that is yes, it would influence thousands of ignorant voters into thinking that he must be good since so many people come to see him.

Maybe so....

But, then again we elected W twice....so who are we to judge??

As my momma always says, "ignorant is as ignorant does."

10-07-08, 12:02 AM

Obama will be the next president. We are voting anything in office that isn't a republican. Black, Asian, it doesn't matter. We would vote in a cardboard cutout of William Shatner as long as he wasn't a republican.

I think the republicans should be happy about this. They can blame the disastrous Bush policies all on Obama.

10-06-08, 08:07 AM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No wonder Obama draws large crowds to his rallys http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...ly&btnG=Search Just google that. -S PS. This means that McCain draws way more people simply wanting to hear his speeches. __________________

10-06-08, 08:37 AM	#3
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Your ability to extrapolate such a conclusion apparently out of thin air astounds me. Is this such an important electoral issue for you this November? By this I mean, is it important how many people the POTUS can pull at a rally or speech? Are issues such as jobs, retirement pensions, healthcare, security, energy and so on way down the pecking order? __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

10-06-08, 09:01 AM	#5
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	If you think about it a little bit, this kind of tactic can influence peoples opinions of how popular a candidate is (especially if coverage of the "events" makes no mention of the free concerts). What's really important is, does it influence voters to see thousands of people coming to see the "savior of our nation". Unfortunately, the answer to that is yes, it would influence thousands of ignorant voters into thinking that he must be good since so many people come to see him. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

10-06-08, 09:52 AM	#7
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	My point wasn't that tactics like this are only used by one side, just that calling the conclusion (and the practice) non-meaningful (i.e. posts 2 and 3) is not valid. BTW : That voting because of race can be used both ways, both for and against. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

10-06-08, 10:43 AM	#10
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	@Konavolov My apologies if I misunderstood the intention of your post. It did seem to imply that the concept that Subman espoused was incorrect. Was that not the intention? If one event includes a free concert and another doesn't, is it not reasonable to conclude that at least a percentage (probably a higher percentage than one would assume because of the age of Obamas followers) of the attendance of the event with a concert would be there simply for the free concert? If so, then Subman's conclusion isn't so unreasonable and certainly isn't pulled out of thin air (especially if you interpret "way more people" to mean a higher percentage). As for whether it's important or not, that's whole different story. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

10-06-08, 08:36 AM	#2
Morts Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,395 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	heeere we go again....

10-06-08, 10:56 AM	#11
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Reminds me of this saying back in the 60's as to why most anti-war rallies were over by 5pm. Because it gave everyone a chance to get home in time to see themselves on the 6pm news... __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

10-07-08, 12:02 AM	#15
Flamingboat Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Obama will be the next president. We are voting anything in office that isn't a republican. Black, Asian, it doesn't matter. We would vote in a cardboard cutout of William Shatner as long as he wasn't a republican. I think the republicans should be happy about this. They can blame the disastrous Bush policies all on Obama.