Sub Upgrades

[moosey]

I was wondering if there was any information available on which sub types could get which upgrades? pretty much asking if its worth trading in my type VIIB for a VIIC or wait for VIIC/41/42 to come out.

Also which boats are best?

ok IID is better than IIA but what is the actual diference in real gameplay between the different type VII and IX boats?

Thanks guys and girls

[Rg370]

Main difference between type VII and IX is that the type IX is longrange uboat that
operated near US coast, Caribbean and the far east. It could carry more torpedoes that the type VII, but it had longer dive times and was larger.
That would proove as disadvantage, because if the boat is suprised by aircraft it
just couldn't dive fast enough to avoid being damaged.
Also, because of it's size, it's easier to track her with sonar, and hit her with depth charges or hedgehogs.

[moosey]

Thanks for the answer but you misunderstood, i meant what are the real differences between the subs in the same class (type VIIB,C,C/41 etc...) not between the actual sub classes.

[Rg370]

There aren't big differences between type VIIB and VIIC, except that VIIC was slightly
slower on surface because of it's heavier engines.
As for VIIC variants (41 and 42), they had stronger pressure hull so they could dive deeper (crush depth for 41 was around 250 m, and for 42 around 400 m).
Type VIIC/42 never reached operational level, because all contracts to build them were
cancelled.

Situation is similar with type IX boats (improved range, underwater speed...)

[Jimbuna]

The type VIIC is upgradeable throughout the war.

Similarly, the IX newer models plus the fact they have greater range and torpedo stowage.

[moosey]

Thanks for all youre answers.

I did some more looking around and i found this page http://alexbret.perso.cegetel.net/index4875.php

pretty much told me which upgrades were available for which boats at what time etc...

My usual campaign (GWX 2.1) starts in 1939 in type IIA which i keep until i can afford a type VII B or C, then later on in 41/42 i buy a type IX. i like playing that way as in the early missions you do lots of patrols so you end up with a very specialist crew core (one speciality per patrol) to which you add the extra crews when you move from class to class so in my longest campaign i had an elite core which had been with me since the beginning (apart from most of a deck crew which got killed back in 1940) which have i have given most of the promotions and medals.

[Murr44]

Since you're playing with GWX you can hit the F1 key & a list of pages will be displayed. One of them is called something like "U-Boat Time & Distance" (can't remember the exact name at the moment). Click on this page & it will give you the maximum depth, range, speed & minimum dive time for each playable U-Boat.

[von hally]

lo moosey

i know you were asking about upgrades of the same class ingame.

but if you do change to a IXb at some point you will love the extra torp loadout BUT....man...she dives like a bloated bail of cork!!!

rarely have i escaped damage from an aircraft with this sea cow!!
but i cant give her up for some reason!!

shes part of me...a good boat....with good men

[moosey]

Yeah, i have tended to wait until radar warning equipment becomes available before swapping for a type IX.

I also love the look of them, the raised bow, the big gun, the extra torps, expansive interior...

Of course by 1942 some later variants have come out that dive a little quicker.

[Dietrich]

You can also look the details up. They are in the data\Cfg\Basic.cfg file. Equipment is listed at the end of the file. I had a programme somewhere which converted Basic.cfg into a table. I'll see if I can find it.

However, I did find this list for GWX-2.1... (sorry about the formatting!)

Code    Name          Year Month   Boats
-1    --            
1260    GW             40    2     II, VII & IX
1261    MAN            40    11    II, VII & IX
1262    Schnorkel      44    1     VII, IX & XXI
1263    AFA36MAK580    39    1     II
1264    AFA44MAL570    39    10    II
1265    AFA27MAK740    39    1     VII
1266    AFA27MAK800    40    4     VII
1267    AFA33MAL800    41    10    VII
1268    AFA36MAK740    39    1     IX & XXI
1269    AFA44MAL740    41    10    IX & XXI
1270    GHG            39    1     II, VII & IX
1271    KDB            39    1     VII & IX
1272    Balkon         43    10    VII, IX & XXI
1273    SGerät         42    4     VII & IX
1274    Niebelung      43    10    VIIC/42 & XXI
1275    FuMO29GEMA     42    2     VII & IX
1276    FuMO30         43    2     VII & IX
1277    FuMO61         44    3     VII & IX
1278    FuMO64         44    3     VII & XII
1279    FuMO391        45    1     XXI
1280    FuMB1Metox     42    8     All
1281    FuMB10Borkum   43    11    All
1282    FuMB7Naxos     43    12    All
1283    FuMB26Tunis    44    5     All
1284    BoldType1      42    3     All
1285    BoldType2      43    5     All
1286    BoldType3      44    1     All
1287    BoldType4      44    10    All
1288    BoldType5      54    1     All
1303    Alberich       41    8     All
1304    AlberichImpr   44    2     All
1305    Tarnmatte      44    1     All 

1234    FuMB37_7       44    10    VII
1235    FuMB37_9       44    10    IX (but not IXD2)
1236    FuMB37_9D2     44    10    IXD2

[moosey]

wow nice one kaleun deitrich, thanks for that.