Illegal Immigrants Returning to Mexico in Record Numbers

[SUBMAN1]

Wow! Mexico is saying they have a problem now?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409221,00.html

-S

[Digital_Trucker]

So, I guess the soft economy isn't such a bad thing after all?:hmm:

[JHuschke]

Hmm, Mexicans will keep crossing the border! They do not listen! It is time to take for a new plan.

We need to make a brick wall all around Mexico, as tall as a Fortress wall

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

So, I guess the soft economy isn't such a bad thing after all?:hmm:

It is if you like immigrants. The problem isn't the immigrants, its the economic impact of social and welfare programs. Drop those, let them easily obtain legal permission to work here (and be payroll taxed here), and force them to undergo the same gruelling immigration process every other immigrant has to go through.

We would fill low-paying jobs, help industry and generate tax revenue, whilst providing them the opportunity to properly start a life in the U.S.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

It is if you like immigrants. The problem isn't the immigrants, its the economic impact of social and welfare programs. Drop those, let them easily obtain legal permission to work here (and be payroll taxed here), and force them to undergo the same gruelling immigration process every other immigrant has to go through.

We would fill low-paying jobs, help industry and generate tax revenue, whilst providing them the opportunity to properly start a life in the U.S.

Do you seriously think that the current crowd of illegal immigrants would consider working here if they had to become citizens and pay taxes? Why do you think they come over here and send all their money back to Mexico?

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Do you seriously think that the current crowd of illegal immigrants would consider working here if they had to become citizens and pay taxes? Why do you think they come over here and send all their money back to Mexico?

See? Either way, we win!

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

It is if you like immigrants. The problem isn't the immigrants, its the economic impact of social and welfare programs. Drop those, let them easily obtain legal permission to work here (and be payroll taxed here), and force them to undergo the same gruelling immigration process every other immigrant has to go through.

We would fill low-paying jobs, help industry and generate tax revenue, whilst providing them the opportunity to properly start a life in the U.S.

It is acutally not that grueling of a process. It just takes awhile and costs a hefty fee.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Thomen

It is acutally not that grueling of a process. It just takes awhile and costs a hefty fee.

Plus that little technicality about learning to speak the language.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Plus that little technicality about learning to speak the language.

You are only required to learn English if you want the citizenship. if you want a green card (legal permanent resident), you don't need it.

[Digital_Trucker]

My bad, I thought we were discussing citizenship.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

My bad, I thought we were discussing citizenship.

The difference is basically just a formality these days. My guess, most people come to this country, or to any country these days anyways just to work, or for whatever personal reason they might have.

[Digital_Trucker]

My guess is that they come here because their own country sucks and they want to get away from it, but they don't want to do it legally 'cause (insert babies cries here) it's too hard and we'd have to pay taxes and we don't want to learn another language, or try to become a part of the society, we want you to conform to our society.

My apologies if I'm being too vague on how I feel about the subject

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by G00BER

Hmm, Mexicans will keep crossing the border! They do not listen! It is time to take for a new plan.

We need to make a brick wall all around Mexico, as tall as a Fortress wall

Si, noi yobs heeere...

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Wow! Mexico is saying they have a problem now?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409221,00.html

-S

Good news for you, hope that the same thing will happen in EU.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

My guess is that they come here because their own country sucks and they want to get away from it, but they don't want to do it legally 'cause (insert babies cries here) it's too hard and we'd have to pay taxes and we don't want to learn another language, or try to become a part of the society, we want you to conform to our society.

My apologies if I'm being too vague on how I feel about the subject

As much as I can see your points and agree with them to some degree, I try not to single out Mexican immigrants as a cause of immigration problems. Admittedly, they are a large part, but I have no doubt that if Ghana or Indonesia or some other 3rd-world nation bordered us to the south, we would be faced with the same problem.

Although I realize this isn't part of anything you said at all, there seems to be a lot of borderline (my lame puns ) racial hatred against Mexicans these days. At least in Texas. There is a danger there.

However, and as always, I do not really support state intervention in this matter, other than to keep the state the hell away from illegal immigrants. Their interference has only made this country more attractive to illegal immigration.
Their social programs and the vast expenditures that they incur are amongst the primary harms of illegal immigration.
I would actually support a constituional amendment to exclude children of illegal workers/immigrants/travelers from being considered citizens of the U.S. when they are born here, thus denying them any social welfare, citizens rights, or police protection.

Deprived of such incentives, the only immigrants we would face would be those willing to immigrate properly, or those willing to tolerate the ridiculous abuses they would indubitably suffer without any citizen's rights.

That way, we get the benefits of immigration in our labor pool and our tax base, whilst only exploiting those that would otherwise damage it, as well as reducing the tide of immigrants overall.

Win-win-win.