SC vs. DW

sunstar · 06-09-08, 10:46 AM

I played sub command for a while and will likely be purchasing Dangerous Waters soon. I was wondering how Dangerous Waters compares to Sub Command. Thanks.

OneShot · 06-09-08, 11:04 AM

Try searching the forum for the other hundreds of threads discussing just this topic.

sunstar · 06-09-08, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OneShot

Try searching the forum for the other hundreds of threads discussing just this topic.

That was useless. Waste of a bullet.

Molon Labe · 06-09-08, 11:42 AM

Well I don't know about hundreds of threads. I ran a few searches and found one. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=differences. It did turn up on the first search though, so despite oneshot's exaggeration, his point is still correct. It is always better to post in an existing thread than to start a new one.

OneShot · 06-09-08, 02:37 PM

I might have been exagerating but I stand by what I said ... this topic has been discussed both in its own threads and as part of other topics more then once (more like 10+ times) and as ML has found out rather quickly and effortless (I believe) is that those thread(s) are easy to find given that one is willing to use the search function (which btw. every halfway capable forum has).

@ML : Nice new sig

Gorshkov · 06-11-08, 09:12 AM

I think sunstar should be more interested in both modded game versions because stock ones are idiotic and unplayable in many respects.
So more experienced users are encouraged to write some comparisons about SCXII versus LWAMI mods!

Hawk66 · 06-11-08, 01:12 PM

No offense, I just would appreciate it, if we don't invest energy about comparisons but try to improve the sim.

There can be so much improved in terms of creating new (dynamic) missions, database (still tons of errors, missing platforms) and improving/creating new platform doctrines.

OptimusX · 06-14-08, 01:37 AM

When a newcomer comes to the board we should all do our best to retain the "fresh blood" in the community....lest we all die lonely

Frame57 · 06-18-08, 11:25 AM

I have read many of the threads comparing SC and DW etc... And it is like sifting through a rat infested Swiss Cheese factory. You get a lot IMO's but very little stats. Which is what most people are looking for, especially when the choice comes being able to play one and invest time and a little money into these great games. I have both games and want to learn by experience the difference between the two, but having said that, I find very little info here or anywhere with regards to the mission editor. It gets a bit frustrating because the manual has little or nothing, so who do we need to get help from? Hopefully this community. And it is a little disturbing that "newbies" (self included) get the same old pat answer, "Check the threads or do a search". I invite you all to do a search on "Mission editor" and you get a lot of junk from SH3 and4 and other games but not this one in particular, so it is useless. If I knew what I need to know and someday will regarding how to use the mission editors to their fullest I will post such details for all to learn, but for now it seems as though it will be trial and error because either no one here knows or wants to post such a thread that will help people enjoy this game to it's fullest.

Frame57 · 06-18-08, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sunstar

I played sub command for a while and will likely be purchasing Dangerous Waters soon. I was wondering how Dangerous Waters compares to Sub Command. Thanks.

Welcome, and all i can really tell is is what I have compared so far. 1. Both are similar. 2. DW has better graphics. 3. DW has a more difficult mission editor (IMO). 4. You can play surface and air platforms in DW and not SC. I have found both games and played them stock and enjoyed them, so do not listen to anyone who says otherwise. The mods for SC do enhance the game a lot especially if you want to drive other subs. I have not modded out DW yet because I have my hands full with learning SC. I would recommend the combat pack that has all three games in it. it is a great value and then you can see which you like the best.

Molon Labe · 06-18-08, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

I have read many of the threads comparing SC and DW etc... And it is like sifting through a rat infested Swiss Cheese factory. You get a lot IMO's but very little stats. Which is what most people are looking for, especially when the choice comes being able to play one and invest time and a little money into these great games.

It just isn't fair to expect other posters to read the minds of future readers and know precisely what details those later readers have a peculiar interest in. Unless someone has asked a question specifically about statistics, it is highly unlikely that an existing thread would contain this information...

It's doubtful that any statistical data has been recorded by or for DW in the first place...I can't think of any statistics generated by or for DW or SC at all... The best you might be able to do (that I can think of, anyway) is check with a virtual fleet; if they had any records, for example, from an automated scoring system, they might be able to generate win-loss statistics for matchups in SC and DW for you to compare. Assuming they want to take the time anyways. There is no harm in asking... but if you are going to ask publicly, please do search for an appropriate thread to post the question in before starting a new topic. Failing to do so will clutter up the board and make it harder for new users to efficiently find the information they need.

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I have both games and want to learn by experience the difference between the two, but having said that, I find very little info here or anywhere with regards to the mission editor. It gets a bit frustrating because the manual has little or nothing, so who do we need to get help from? Hopefully this community. And it is a little disturbing that "newbies" (self included) get the same old pat answer, "Check the threads or do a search". I invite you all to do a search on "Mission editor" and you get a lot of junk from SH3 and4 and other games but not this one in particular, so it is useless.

It is always better to post in an existing thread (of an appropriate topic) than to start a new one. Unfortunately, many posters don't understand this, so posts that should be together in a single topic get scattered around, which makes life harder on everyone, new players in particular. This does not mean you should not at least attempt a search first; the search feature, after all, will return multiple results. By the way, if you're getting junk form the SH3 and 4 forums, you are doing it wrong. You can, and should, limit your search to exclude forums that will not contain the information you are seeking.

OptimusX · 06-23-08, 09:23 PM

This thread is amusing...a lot of time and energy has been spent between posters rather than addressing the need of the OP.

JamesT73J · 06-26-08, 05:01 AM

If you play DW as a sub driver (a natural progression) the differences are subtle but important.

DW has a rconsiderably revised physics engine; it's not perfect but it does mean you will not see the 'on rails' behaviour of certain entities that was present in SC - inertia is more realistic; torpedoes and subs will no longer turn on a sixpence at high speeds, or accelerate and brake like an F1 car.

Torpedoes are also a little more fallible in DW - they are like silver bullets in stock SC, to the extent that it's difficult to do much about one if it acquires you.

Linking and cross-platform comms are good in DW - you'll find the AI coordinates quite well.

Get LWAMI, it adds a lot, although the revised detection ranges can be quite a shock.

06-09-08, 10:46 AM	#1
sunstar Nub Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	SC vs. DW I played sub command for a while and will likely be purchasing Dangerous Waters soon. I was wondering how Dangerous Waters compares to Sub Command. Thanks.

06-09-08, 11:04 AM	#2
OneShot Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 956 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Try searching the forum for the other hundreds of threads discussing just this topic. __________________ All the things you always wanted to know about Dangerous Waters but never dared to ask!

06-09-08, 11:42 AM	#4
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	Well I don't know about hundreds of threads. I ran a few searches and found one. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=differences. It did turn up on the first search though, so despite oneshot's exaggeration, his point is still correct. It is always better to post in an existing thread than to start a new one. __________________

06-09-08, 02:37 PM	#5
OneShot Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 956 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I might have been exagerating but I stand by what I said ... this topic has been discussed both in its own threads and as part of other topics more then once (more like 10+ times) and as ML has found out rather quickly and effortless (I believe) is that those thread(s) are easy to find given that one is willing to use the search function (which btw. every halfway capable forum has). @ML : Nice new sig __________________ All the things you always wanted to know about Dangerous Waters but never dared to ask!

06-11-08, 01:12 PM	#7
Hawk66 Commodore Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 609 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	No offense, I just would appreciate it, if we don't invest energy about comparisons but try to improve the sim. There can be so much improved in terms of creating new (dynamic) missions, database (still tons of errors, missing platforms) and improving/creating new platform doctrines. __________________ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

06-11-08, 09:12 AM	#6
Gorshkov Commodore Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 604 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	I think sunstar should be more interested in both modded game versions because stock ones are idiotic and unplayable in many respects. So more experienced users are encouraged to write some comparisons about SCXII versus LWAMI mods!

06-14-08, 01:37 AM	#8
OptimusX Seaman Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 31 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	When a newcomer comes to the board we should all do our best to retain the "fresh blood" in the community....lest we all die lonely

06-18-08, 11:25 AM	#9
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I have read many of the threads comparing SC and DW etc... And it is like sifting through a rat infested Swiss Cheese factory. You get a lot IMO's but very little stats. Which is what most people are looking for, especially when the choice comes being able to play one and invest time and a little money into these great games. I have both games and want to learn by experience the difference between the two, but having said that, I find very little info here or anywhere with regards to the mission editor. It gets a bit frustrating because the manual has little or nothing, so who do we need to get help from? Hopefully this community. And it is a little disturbing that "newbies" (self included) get the same old pat answer, "Check the threads or do a search". I invite you all to do a search on "Mission editor" and you get a lot of junk from SH3 and4 and other games but not this one in particular, so it is useless. If I knew what I need to know and someday will regarding how to use the mission editors to their fullest I will post such details for all to learn, but for now it seems as though it will be trial and error because either no one here knows or wants to post such a thread that will help people enjoy this game to it's fullest.

06-23-08, 09:23 PM	#12
OptimusX Seaman Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 31 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	This thread is amusing...a lot of time and energy has been spent between posters rather than addressing the need of the OP.

06-26-08, 05:01 AM	#13
JamesT73J Medic Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 167 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	If you play DW as a sub driver (a natural progression) the differences are subtle but important. DW has a rconsiderably revised physics engine; it's not perfect but it does mean you will not see the 'on rails' behaviour of certain entities that was present in SC - inertia is more realistic; torpedoes and subs will no longer turn on a sixpence at high speeds, or accelerate and brake like an F1 car. Torpedoes are also a little more fallible in DW - they are like silver bullets in stock SC, to the extent that it's difficult to do much about one if it acquires you. Linking and cross-platform comms are good in DW - you'll find the AI coordinates quite well. Get LWAMI, it adds a lot, although the revised detection ranges can be quite a shock.