Eels detonating with no damage?

gord96 · 04-22-08, 02:19 PM

I have always played with Dud torpedoes but after having 4 dud eels in a row on a convoy attack I decided to try a patrol with it turned off just for fun.

Funny thing is a few torps would hit the target and detonate just like a hit, but i would get "torpedo missed" and there would be no damage. Its happened quite a few times now. Perhaps this is GWX 2.1 way of making sure people will always suffer from torpedo failures??

_Seth_ · 04-22-08, 02:48 PM

What year are you in? Im not sure how this is illustrated in the game, but in the beginning of the war, the torpedoes were "unstable", due to problems with the magnetic detonators (and the depth-keeping system). IRL, The kriegsmarine only conducted one (!) live test a year with the torpedoes, to see if they behaved as they should..
I always use impact settings early in the war, and speed set to fast. I also set the depth to a couple of meters above the given draft of the ship. IE; a ship with a draft at 7 meters, result in a torpedosetting at 4-5 meters. This works for me,mate!

gord96 · 04-22-08, 02:54 PM

:hmm: thanks for the info seth. its 1941. i just assumed with dud torps turned off every eel would detonate if they hit correctly or were at the proper depth. THe thing is these "strage" eels are hitting the target, or detonating underneath the target, you get the big boom, water shooting up the sides of the ship, then a "torpedo missed sir" and no damage. just have never seen it before as I always play with dud's on.

_Seth_ · 04-22-08, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gord96

:hmm: thanks for the info seth. its 1941. i just assumed with dud torps turned off every eel would detonate if they hit correctly or were at the proper depth. THe thing is these "strage" eels are hitting the target, or detonating underneath the target, you get the big boom, water shooting up the sides of the ship, then a "torpedo missed sir" and no damage. just have never seen it before as I always play with dud's on.

That sounds like a bug to me... With duds off, you should not encounter the historical torpedo flaws.. Maybe some of the GWX mates can make this clearer to us..

3Jane · 04-22-08, 03:03 PM

I have had the same experience twice. Once in 2.0 and once in 2.1. The torpedo detonates under the ship but seems to have no effect on the ship at all. Not simply a damage/sinking model being slow to show it's self, but no effect at all. The torpedo damage graphic doesn't appear where the torpedo impacted either. Never had the experience before 2.0 and 2.1.

gord96 · 04-22-08, 03:05 PM

sounds good. not sure if this is something with GWX or not. I have never tried SH3 with Duds off before so I cant say if this was an issue pre GWX 2.1.

Lzs von swe · 04-22-08, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gord96

:hmm: thanks for the info seth. its 1941. i just assumed with dud torps turned off every eel would detonate if they hit correctly or were at the proper depth. THe thing is these "strage" eels are hitting the target, or detonating underneath the target, you get the big boom, water shooting up the sides of the ship, then a "torpedo missed sir" and no damage. just have never seen it before as I always play with dud's on.

Are you sure there is no damage? I use magnetic pistols a lot and have the crew reporting misses when in fact the torpedoes explodes under the ship as they should. The damage is not so visually obvious but it´s there.
I have never tested the "no duds" setting so I have no experience of how it works.

gord96 · 04-22-08, 03:21 PM

oh yeah. same as 3Jane said. There is zero dmg to the ship. No blast mark, no sinking, no slowdown.

Lzs von swe · 04-22-08, 03:33 PM

:hmm: Ok, then I don´t know. When this happens to me the ship is always damaged.

Whasn´t there another thread on this a while ago:hmm:

Here http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...torpedo+missed
but it´s inconclusive...

Jimbuna · 04-22-08, 04:14 PM

Totally at a loss here

If your playing GWX2.1 and have definitely got no 3rd party mods installed, I have absolutely no idea why this phenomena is occuring.

GWX2.1 was extensively tested for a period of in excess of two months and nobody reported such problems.

Brag · 04-22-08, 04:15 PM

If you're using magnetic and a close to 90 AOB, the torpedo will go under the ship and explode on the far side. So, with magnetics it is better to have an aob less than 45 degrees to give the eel more time under the hull.

gord96 · 04-22-08, 04:16 PM

ok. yeah its wierd for sure. and like I said I only noticed it since installing 2.1 and turning of duds. oh well.

Tessa · 04-22-08, 07:13 PM

Try playing with the settings such that you can use the external camera and then sit back so you can see the hull and where they are actually hitting. I frequently use magnetic pistols also, and have found that they'll hit the mark but still blow up or fail to detonate (with no damage). External camera is best to see what's going on, otherwise try to leave the periscope up so that the boat is still visible on the targeting scree (F6) and watch what the torpedo's are doing.

If the angle is good for magnetic and fails to pass under the keel but hits the very bottom hull section it frequently impacts but doesn't explode. It'll hit the ship and ricochete or fall dead. Can also happen if your setting is such that its maybe 0.1-0.2 meters under keel and it'll bounce off it rather than explode.

04-22-08, 02:19 PM	#1
gord96 Commodore Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 627 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	Eels detonating with no damage? I have always played with Dud torpedoes but after having 4 dud eels in a row on a convoy attack I decided to try a patrol with it turned off just for fun. Funny thing is a few torps would hit the target and detonate just like a hit, but i would get "torpedo missed" and there would be no damage. Its happened quite a few times now. Perhaps this is GWX 2.1 way of making sure people will always suffer from torpedo failures??

04-22-08, 02:48 PM	#2
_Seth_ Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In Tromsoe, @Tirpitz' final resting place.. Posts: 3,277 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	What year are you in? Im not sure how this is illustrated in the game, but in the beginning of the war, the torpedoes were "unstable", due to problems with the magnetic detonators (and the depth-keeping system). IRL, The kriegsmarine only conducted one (!) live test a year with the torpedoes, to see if they behaved as they should.. I always use impact settings early in the war, and speed set to fast. I also set the depth to a couple of meters above the given draft of the ship. IE; a ship with a draft at 7 meters, result in a torpedosetting at 4-5 meters. This works for me,mate! __________________

04-22-08, 03:03 PM	#5
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I have had the same experience twice. Once in 2.0 and once in 2.1. The torpedo detonates under the ship but seems to have no effect on the ship at all. Not simply a damage/sinking model being slow to show it's self, but no effect at all. The torpedo damage graphic doesn't appear where the torpedo impacted either. Never had the experience before 2.0 and 2.1. __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

04-22-08, 03:33 PM	#9
Lzs von swe Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Norrkoping, Sweden Posts: 1,074 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	:hmm: Ok, then I don´t know. When this happens to me the ship is always damaged. Whasn´t there another thread on this a while ago:hmm: Here http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...torpedo+missed but it´s inconclusive... __________________ Last edited by Lzs von swe; 04-22-08 at 04:01 PM.

04-22-08, 04:14 PM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Totally at a loss here If your playing GWX2.1 and have definitely got no 3rd party mods installed, I have absolutely no idea why this phenomena is occuring. GWX2.1 was extensively tested for a period of in excess of two months and nobody reported such problems. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-22-08, 02:54 PM	#3
gord96 Commodore Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 627 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	:hmm: thanks for the info seth. its 1941. i just assumed with dud torps turned off every eel would detonate if they hit correctly or were at the proper depth. THe thing is these "strage" eels are hitting the target, or detonating underneath the target, you get the big boom, water shooting up the sides of the ship, then a "torpedo missed sir" and no damage. just have never seen it before as I always play with dud's on.

04-22-08, 03:05 PM	#6
gord96 Commodore Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 627 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	sounds good. not sure if this is something with GWX or not. I have never tried SH3 with Duds off before so I cant say if this was an issue pre GWX 2.1.

04-22-08, 03:21 PM	#8
gord96 Commodore Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 627 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	oh yeah. same as 3Jane said. There is zero dmg to the ship. No blast mark, no sinking, no slowdown.

04-22-08, 04:15 PM	#11
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	If you're using magnetic and a close to 90 AOB, the torpedo will go under the ship and explode on the far side. So, with magnetics it is better to have an aob less than 45 degrees to give the eel more time under the hull. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

04-22-08, 04:16 PM	#12
gord96 Commodore Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 627 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	ok. yeah its wierd for sure. and like I said I only noticed it since installing 2.1 and turning of duds. oh well.

04-22-08, 07:13 PM	#13
Tessa Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CG 96 Posts: 861 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Try playing with the settings such that you can use the external camera and then sit back so you can see the hull and where they are actually hitting. I frequently use magnetic pistols also, and have found that they'll hit the mark but still blow up or fail to detonate (with no damage). External camera is best to see what's going on, otherwise try to leave the periscope up so that the boat is still visible on the targeting scree (F6) and watch what the torpedo's are doing. If the angle is good for magnetic and fails to pass under the keel but hits the very bottom hull section it frequently impacts but doesn't explode. It'll hit the ship and ricochete or fall dead. Can also happen if your setting is such that its maybe 0.1-0.2 meters under keel and it'll bounce off it rather than explode.