we need to stop static damage

gimpy117 · 03-22-08, 11:07 PM

this is the most unrealistic thing i can think of!!!!

Every time i die it is from this blasted damage!
I mean come on flooding you can't see or fix that can sink your boat!!!????

how can i turn it off??

gimpy117 · 03-23-08, 06:05 AM

no, really, can someone help???

Nisgeis · 03-23-08, 08:20 AM

Sorry Gimpy, I don't get this problem. Do you mean it's damage that you have no evidence of in the damage control screen and all of a sudden your boat sinks?

Is it possible you've hit a mine?

Xantrokoles · 03-23-08, 10:25 AM

Sry I can't understand ur question...

But I think u need this:
open the NSS_[sub].zon file of ur [sub] class with Silent 3ditor or Mini tweaker
U find it in the following path: Data/Submarine/NSS_[Sub]
Take the Hitpoints X2
(with S3d u find i under ColisionableObject->Properties)
for example:Hit_Points=550 ---> Hit_Points=1100

gimpy117 · 03-23-08, 10:57 AM

ok thanks, i gotta get the tweaker

pretty much dynamic damage you can see and fix,
static on the other hand you can't see or fix, so you randomly start sinking!

tater · 03-23-08, 11:02 AM

You are talking about damage to the hull. It's not unrealistic at all. Some damage can only be fixed in a drydock. You have a magical hull % indicator, what more could you ask for?

For DC attacks, it only happens when the DC explodes within its min radius of you. That's like 4m. If you have several DCs hitting you within 4m a lot of the time, you need to learn how to fight the boat better.

If you take such damage on the surface, lol, stop using a submarine as a surface combatant.

If you sustain major hull damage, go home.

Xantrokoles · 03-23-08, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

You are talking about damage to the hull. It's not unrealistic at all. Some damage can only be fixed in a drydock. You have a magical hull % indicator, what more could you ask for?

For DC attacks, it only happens when the DC explodes within its min radius of you. That's like 4m. If you have several DCs hitting you within 4m a lot of the time, you need to learn how to fight the boat better.

If you take such damage on the surface, lol, stop using a submarine as a surface combatant.

If you sustain major hull damage, go home.

I think so too
It is unrealistic

But he ask for help and I gave him an idea.....

@gimpy117
D u have problems with fighting against armed mechants?
Or in DC atacks?

andycaccia · 03-23-08, 01:49 PM

@gimpy117

Never had such "crazy" damage...
however yes, hull damage can be repaired only in drydock (and often it took several weeks or even months of hard work, and that's why if you have a heavily damaged hull they give you a new sub).

But are you sure about your hull conditions?
I mean, if its integrity is down to 20% no surprise of your flooding (and death), but if it's at 100% and the submarine starts flooding all around and sinks...well THAT'S strange.

Can you be more precise??

tater · 03-23-08, 03:01 PM

Anyone who thinks all damage is repairable at sea is flat out wrong. Anyone who thinks that it is unrealistic for the hull to be compromised in ways that are undetectable, but none the less deadly is also wrong.

Hairline fractures (typically in welds) can absolutely be fatal to a sub, and would not be seen except via x-rays of the weld. There are numerous other examples.

Hull damage only hurts the sub by making the crush depth more shallow. There is no mystery at all to why you are sinking with a weakened hull. As I said, the only way underwater to take any hull damage (what you call "static" damage) at all is via a DC exploding inside 4m. That's the tyoe of range that should have a decent chance of being fatal to the sub with 1 hit. In SH4 you can take a few of these.

Turning this effect off is pure fantasy since you will then repair ALL damage sustained. This is plainly rediculous.

gimpy117 · 03-23-08, 03:06 PM

actually im talking about the kind of flooding that does not show on the damage chart but CAN sink your boat!!!

tater · 03-23-08, 03:11 PM

There is no flooding that doesn't show up. It shows up, just almost instantly.

The problem you are having is that the sub is hitting the crush depth. Hull damage makes the crush depth more shallow. 50% hull might mean the hull with crush at 50% of the depth it would without damage. At some level of hull damage, the boat sinks on the surface.

Digital_Trucker · 03-23-08, 03:59 PM

Gimpy, it sounds like you need Damage Control It's a nice little app that gives you an idea of how far you can dive without getting crushed based on your damages.

gimpy117 · 03-23-08, 05:35 PM

oh no this happened on the surface...

Digital_Trucker · 03-23-08, 06:23 PM

Back to basics, which version of the game are you running? and which MODS are you running?

gimpy117 · 03-23-08, 07:27 PM

1.4 with natural sinking mod (30% faster)
i got hit with a bomb, engines gone, no flooding showing than i just snak....

03-22-08, 11:07 PM	#1
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	we need to stop static damage this is the most unrealistic thing i can think of!!!! Every time i die it is from this blasted damage! I mean come on flooding you can't see or fix that can sink your boat!!!???? how can i turn it off?? __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

03-23-08, 06:05 AM	#2
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	no, really, can someone help??? __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

03-23-08, 10:25 AM	#4
Xantrokoles Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 659 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Sry I can't understand ur question... But I think u need this: open the NSS_[sub].zon file of ur [sub] class with Silent 3ditor or Mini tweaker U find it in the following path: Data/Submarine/NSS_[Sub] Take the Hitpoints X2 (with S3d u find i under ColisionableObject->Properties) for example:Hit_Points=550 ---> Hit_Points=1100 __________________

03-23-08, 10:57 AM	#5
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	ok thanks, i gotta get the tweaker pretty much dynamic damage you can see and fix, static on the other hand you can't see or fix, so you randomly start sinking! __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

03-23-08, 01:49 PM	#8
andycaccia XO Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 418 Downloads: 261 Uploads: 2	@gimpy117 Never had such "crazy" damage... however yes, hull damage can be repaired only in drydock (and often it took several weeks or even months of hard work, and that's why if you have a heavily damaged hull they give you a new sub). But are you sure about your hull conditions? I mean, if its integrity is down to 20% no surprise of your flooding (and death), but if it's at 100% and the submarine starts flooding all around and sinks...well THAT'S strange. Can you be more precise?? __________________ "Memento Audere Semper"

03-23-08, 08:20 AM	#3
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	Sorry Gimpy, I don't get this problem. Do you mean it's damage that you have no evidence of in the damage control screen and all of a sudden your boat sinks? Is it possible you've hit a mine?

03-23-08, 11:02 AM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	You are talking about damage to the hull. It's not unrealistic at all. Some damage can only be fixed in a drydock. You have a magical hull % indicator, what more could you ask for? For DC attacks, it only happens when the DC explodes within its min radius of you. That's like 4m. If you have several DCs hitting you within 4m a lot of the time, you need to learn how to fight the boat better. If you take such damage on the surface, lol, stop using a submarine as a surface combatant. If you sustain major hull damage, go home.

03-23-08, 03:01 PM	#9
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Anyone who thinks all damage is repairable at sea is flat out wrong. Anyone who thinks that it is unrealistic for the hull to be compromised in ways that are undetectable, but none the less deadly is also wrong. Hairline fractures (typically in welds) can absolutely be fatal to a sub, and would not be seen except via x-rays of the weld. There are numerous other examples. Hull damage only hurts the sub by making the crush depth more shallow. There is no mystery at all to why you are sinking with a weakened hull. As I said, the only way underwater to take any hull damage (what you call "static" damage) at all is via a DC exploding inside 4m. That's the tyoe of range that should have a decent chance of being fatal to the sub with 1 hit. In SH4 you can take a few of these. Turning this effect off is pure fantasy since you will then repair ALL damage sustained. This is plainly rediculous.

03-23-08, 03:06 PM	#10
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	actually im talking about the kind of flooding that does not show on the damage chart but CAN sink your boat!!! __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

03-23-08, 03:11 PM	#11
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	There is no flooding that doesn't show up. It shows up, just almost instantly. The problem you are having is that the sub is hitting the crush depth. Hull damage makes the crush depth more shallow. 50% hull might mean the hull with crush at 50% of the depth it would without damage. At some level of hull damage, the boat sinks on the surface.

03-23-08, 03:59 PM	#12
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Gimpy, it sounds like you need Damage Control It's a nice little app that gives you an idea of how far you can dive without getting crushed based on your damages. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

03-23-08, 05:35 PM	#13
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	oh no this happened on the surface... __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

03-23-08, 06:23 PM	#14
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Back to basics, which version of the game are you running? and which MODS are you running? __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

03-23-08, 07:27 PM	#15
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	1.4 with natural sinking mod (30% faster) i got hit with a bomb, engines gone, no flooding showing than i just snak.... __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army