Myth or reality Kiel Canal??

f16falcon · 02-04-07, 10:06 AM

Hi guys,
Just been reading a post on the Kiel Canal...ive looked but cant seem to find it, i was wondering if there was a shortcut through to the North Sea rather than going the whole way round Denmark..no probs if not?? If anyone has any facts about the canal that would be great..i was talking to a friend and he said "yes it exists...but no way will you get a u-boat down it"..lol
f16falcon

Dowly · 02-04-07, 10:08 AM

It exists and as far as I know, uboats used it.

danlisa · 02-04-07, 10:12 AM

You will get a U-Boat through it in GWX. Before you even move when in Kiel ask you Nav officer to plot the outbound course through the canal. He will plot the course and you just have to order follow plotted course & set a speed.

bigboywooly · 02-04-07, 10:15 AM

Have a search of the web
Was called the Kaiser Wilhelm Kanal
Now called the Nord Ostsee canal

http://www.kiel-canal.org/english.htm

Not big enough for a uboat eh

Quote:

11-12 March 1941: Tirpitz passes through the Kiel Canal

Heres the WWI Scharnhorst in the canal

Dorsetshire passing under one of the Kiel Canal bridges during visit in Germany

Seems your friend is wrong
LMAO

Dowly · 02-04-07, 10:19 AM

Aaaand here´s Graf Spee going under the bridge:

AVGWarhawk · 02-04-07, 10:20 AM

Looks like hard evidence to me. Anyway, perhaps maybe F16 is using the standard game that does not have the canal. If so, you will find it in all its glory with the GWX mod.

bigboywooly · 02-04-07, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Aaaand here´s Graf Spee going under the bridge:

Thats the one I was looking for

There is also one of the Bismarck which looks a lot like this

But real
:rotfl:

f16falcon · 02-04-07, 10:25 AM

WOW! Awesome pics of the Dorsetshire, Graf Spee and the Scharnhorst, truly amazing! Yes im using GWX but wasnt before. Thanks guys thats fab. Just hope theres no mines..heheh! What was the depth of the canal? U-Boats did use this route then...cool.

Dowly · 02-04-07, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by f16falcon

WOW! Awesome pics, truly amazing! Yes im using GWX but wasnt before. Thanks guys thats fab. Just hope theres no mines..heheh! What was the depth of the canal?

Dont worry, there´s no mines... atleast I havent hit any! :rotfl:

Cant remember the depth, but I wouldnt advice you to crash dive there.

bigboywooly · 02-04-07, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Quote:

Originally Posted by f16falcon

WOW! Awesome pics, truly amazing! Yes im using GWX but wasnt before. Thanks guys thats fab. Just hope theres no mines..heheh! What was the depth of the canal?

Dont worry, there´s no mines... atleast I havent hit any! :rotfl:

Cant remember the depth, but I wouldnt advice you to crash dive there.

lock sill depth:
in Brunsbüttel NN-10,20 m
in Kiel-Holtenau NN- 9,80 m
mitred lock gates:2 ebb tide and 2 flood tide doors per chamber
filling: through 2 side channels each with 12 branch channels
lock transit time: 30 minutes

new locks
usable length:310 m
usable width:42 m
depth:NN-14,00 m
lift gates:each chamber 3 gatesthe middle lock gate - which is also the reserve gate - makes it possible to transit the lock more quickly in a shortened chamber
filling:in Brunsbüttel by revolving lock gatesin Holtenau through 2 side channels each with 29 branch channels
lock transit time: 45 minutes

Its was widen after first build to allow deadnoughts to use it
Those figures are current ones

Brag · 02-04-07, 10:34 AM

the GWX team did a great job in making it a sight seeing experience (at least part of the way --hehe)

Torplexed · 02-04-07, 11:46 AM

The nicest thing about the GWX canal is there are no annoying locks you have sit in while they pump your water up to...or down to the next level. Too bad there isn't a 3-D souvenir shop selling baubles on the shore. "I navigated the Kiel Canal and all I got was this lousy tee shirt."

xlbob · 02-05-07, 02:35 AM

I didn't know about this Kiel canal until I restarted my career to wilhelmshaven. In fact the reason I restarted my career was because it took a really loooong time to sail from the base in Kiel to the North sea, espescially in a type IIA boat.

It wasn't until my 2d partol (in second career) that I found out about the Kiel canal. I accidentally clicked on the "Kiel canal" navigation mode and afterward searched the map and realized that there's a shortcut from Kiel to North sea.

Mush Martin · 02-05-07, 02:52 AM

Maybe that will be my next mod put a Brit. Mine laying sub into the game
with a mission to mine the approaches.

Nice!

NNNnnnnYes I like it.............I Like it its good.

MM

BladeHeart · 02-05-07, 02:57 AM

I started my current patrol from Kiel by utilising the canal.

From the patrol point of view, given how inhospitable the North Sea is for a U-boat, and travelling through the English Channel is definately unhealthy, I wonder how much fuel is to be gained by using the canal. Once exiting the canal I then had to travel across the North Sea to sail around the Orkneys, etc?

02-04-07, 10:06 AM	#1
f16falcon Loader Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nottinghamshire U.K. Posts: 89 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Myth or reality Kiel Canal?? Hi guys, Just been reading a post on the Kiel Canal...ive looked but cant seem to find it, i was wondering if there was a shortcut through to the North Sea rather than going the whole way round Denmark..no probs if not?? If anyone has any facts about the canal that would be great..i was talking to a friend and he said "yes it exists...but no way will you get a u-boat down it"..lol f16falcon

02-04-07, 10:12 AM	#3
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	You will get a U-Boat through it in GWX. Before you even move when in Kiel ask you Nav officer to plot the outbound course through the canal. He will plot the course and you just have to order follow plotted course & set a speed. __________________

02-04-07, 10:20 AM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Looks like hard evidence to me. Anyway, perhaps maybe F16 is using the standard game that does not have the canal. If so, you will find it in all its glory with the GWX mod. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-04-07, 10:34 AM	#11
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	the GWX team did a great job in making it a sight seeing experience (at least part of the way --hehe) __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

02-04-07, 11:46 AM	#12
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	The nicest thing about the GWX canal is there are no annoying locks you have sit in while they pump your water up to...or down to the next level. Too bad there isn't a 3-D souvenir shop selling baubles on the shore. "I navigated the Kiel Canal and all I got was this lousy tee shirt." __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

02-04-07, 10:08 AM	#2
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	It exists and as far as I know, uboats used it.

02-04-07, 10:19 AM	#5
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Aaaand here´s Graf Spee going under the bridge:

02-04-07, 10:25 AM	#8
f16falcon Loader Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nottinghamshire U.K. Posts: 89 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	WOW! Awesome pics of the Dorsetshire, Graf Spee and the Scharnhorst, truly amazing! Yes im using GWX but wasnt before. Thanks guys thats fab. Just hope theres no mines..heheh! What was the depth of the canal? U-Boats did use this route then...cool.

02-05-07, 02:35 AM	#13
xlbob Gunner Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Posts: 99 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I didn't know about this Kiel canal until I restarted my career to wilhelmshaven. In fact the reason I restarted my career was because it took a really loooong time to sail from the base in Kiel to the North sea, espescially in a type IIA boat. It wasn't until my 2d partol (in second career) that I found out about the Kiel canal. I accidentally clicked on the "Kiel canal" navigation mode and afterward searched the map and realized that there's a shortcut from Kiel to North sea.

02-05-07, 02:52 AM	#14
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	maybe just maybe. Maybe that will be my next mod put a Brit. Mine laying sub into the game with a mission to mine the approaches. Nice! NNNnnnnYes I like it.............I Like it its good. MM __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

02-05-07, 02:57 AM	#15
BladeHeart Chief Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I started my current patrol from Kiel by utilising the canal. From the patrol point of view, given how inhospitable the North Sea is for a U-boat, and travelling through the English Channel is definately unhealthy, I wonder how much fuel is to be gained by using the canal. Once exiting the canal I then had to travel across the North Sea to sail around the Orkneys, etc?