Duds in GWX

EM2(SS) · 01-21-07, 04:58 PM

Just started a new campaign. VII in St Nazaire 9/40. Gonna try selecting duds on for a total of 84% realism.

So my questions are does GWX model itself historically, in that eventually the bugs are worked out of torpedoes and they are more or less very reliable?

If that is the case what date is that?

And finally are magnetics less reliable than contact during the " dud " period?

Thanks in advance

melnibonian · 01-21-07, 05:56 PM

I think the magnetic pistols had problems until the end of the campaign in Norway (mid 1940). Don't forget that you can still have dud effects with torpedoes bouncing off the curvy parts of the hull.

Paajtor · 01-21-07, 07:48 PM

Yes, it can happen in heavy seas (target is moving up&down allot).

Mooncatt · 01-22-07, 07:34 AM

yeah pain in the ass tbh. but thats what they had to put up with

Kpt. Lehmann · 01-22-07, 09:16 AM

Just an FYI, torpedo reliability in SH3 appears to be hard-coded. This is an element we've been unable to influence.

Only torpedo ranges where necessary, vertical maneuverability, and damage output potential was changed. (the last being to balance weapons vs unit damage models)

Vertical maneuverability was only changed to increase the time it takes for a fired torpedo to reach the running depth set by the player. In stock SH3 the torps would achieve running depth nearly instantly. It appears this modification has no impact in-game. Basically we just changed the torpedo elevator control surface maximum travel from 15 degrees to 3 degrees.

AVGWarhawk · 01-22-07, 09:36 AM

Don't forget the premature explosions as well. They are worse than the dudes. It kind of gives away your presence

. Rough weather can give you the premature detonations. Kind of a two edge sword. You can get in very easy with the weather but all can be for not if the torp prematures on you

Brag · 01-22-07, 11:26 AM

I've had relatively few duds in both stock SHIII and GWX as long as I stick close to 90 degrees AOB. But duds are part of life. Rough seas cause problems and give advantages, again the vagaries of life. All in all, GWX gives satisfactory realism and uncertainty of the outcome of any action.

AVGWarhawk · 01-22-07, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Brag

I've had relatively few duds in both stock SHIII and GWX as long as I stick close to 90 degrees AOB. But duds are part of life. Rough seas cause problems and give advantages, again the vagaries of life. All in all, GWX gives satisfactory realism and uncertainty of the outcome of any action.

I agree!

Mooncatt · 01-22-07, 11:37 AM

im playing stock atm and usually have at least one per patrol. Bernard keeps picking dodgy fish to load onto my boat

EM2(SS) · 01-22-07, 06:49 PM

First off, thanks for all the replies.

quote:
AVGWarhawkDon't forget the premature explosions as well. They are worse than the dudes. It kind of gives away your presence

. Rough weather can give you the premature detonations. Kind of a two edge sword. You can get in very easy with the weather but all can be for not if the torp prematures on you

How true.

Last night got into a great convoy (9/40) somewhere north of AM53.

It had one Large Tanker, a few Medium Tankers and Small Tankers and a couple Pyro's, in addition to Small Merchants and such.

Weather was 15m winds, overcast, with medium fog.

Got within 540m of a Flower and not detected!!!!

(Totally perpindicular to it)

Lined up 2 torps each on a Large Tanker and Pyro. Turned out due to duds, bad weather and my poor aim that I only sunk a Small Mercahant. I evaded on the surface to the rear of the convoy. Sunk a Lake ship that was a straggler but could not catch up to convoy due to weather (it was going at 10kts)

While not the big haul that i wanted , it was a blast. Playing GWX with high realism sure does make you proud even when its not a big score like the constant 100k ton patrols in vanilla SH3.

So once again thank you GWX team

Zero Niner · 01-22-07, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melnibonian

I think the magnetic pistols had problems until the end of the campaign in Norway (mid 1940). Don't forget that you can still have dud effects with torpedoes bouncing off the curvy parts of the hull.

Heh, the first 2 torpedoes U-51 (first GWX patrol) fired in a salvo (at a Polish large merchant) were duds in this way.

Freddie_123 · 01-23-07, 04:48 PM

EM2(SS) = Nuke?

mookiemookie · 01-23-07, 05:00 PM

I'm an impact pistol fan, and rarely will I use magnetics (I'd say about 80% of my shots are impact settings, set to about 2.5 - 3 meters depth, AOB between 70 and 110 degrees). Whenever I do use magnetics, I don't find I get so many duds as I do early detonations due to choppy seas and torpedos going under the ships due to the up and down motion of the waves.

Very very very rarely do I get a torpedo that just bounces off the hull. This leads me to believe that impact pistols are more reliable than magnetics.

EM2(SS) · 01-23-07, 05:48 PM

Quote:

01-23-2007 04:48 PMFreddie_123

EM2(SS) = Nuke?

Yes I was, but have been out for 10 years. Hard to believe its been that long.

Mooncatt · 01-24-07, 09:50 AM

i also agree that impact are better than magnetic and that also the magnetics did have a problem, they were dropped my aircraft but the exploded as soon as they hit the wate so they reverted back to impact.

01-21-07, 04:58 PM	#1
EM2(SS) Watch Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 22 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Duds in GWX Just started a new campaign. VII in St Nazaire 9/40. Gonna try selecting duds on for a total of 84% realism. So my questions are does GWX model itself historically, in that eventually the bugs are worked out of torpedoes and they are more or less very reliable? If that is the case what date is that? And finally are magnetics less reliable than contact during the " dud " period? Thanks in advance

01-21-07, 05:56 PM	#2
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I think the magnetic pistols had problems until the end of the campaign in Norway (mid 1940). Don't forget that you can still have dud effects with torpedoes bouncing off the curvy parts of the hull. __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

01-21-07, 07:48 PM	#3
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	Yes, it can happen in heavy seas (target is moving up&down allot). __________________

01-22-07, 07:34 AM	#4
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	yeah pain in the ass tbh. but thats what they had to put up with __________________

01-22-07, 09:16 AM	#5
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,992 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Just an FYI, torpedo reliability in SH3 appears to be hard-coded. This is an element we've been unable to influence. Only torpedo ranges where necessary, vertical maneuverability, and damage output potential was changed. (the last being to balance weapons vs unit damage models) Vertical maneuverability was only changed to increase the time it takes for a fired torpedo to reach the running depth set by the player. In stock SH3 the torps would achieve running depth nearly instantly. It appears this modification has no impact in-game. Basically we just changed the torpedo elevator control surface maximum travel from 15 degrees to 3 degrees. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

01-22-07, 09:36 AM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Don't forget the premature explosions as well. They are worse than the dudes. It kind of gives away your presence. Rough weather can give you the premature detonations. Kind of a two edge sword. You can get in very easy with the weather but all can be for not if the torp prematures on you __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-22-07, 11:26 AM	#7
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I've had relatively few duds in both stock SHIII and GWX as long as I stick close to 90 degrees AOB. But duds are part of life. Rough seas cause problems and give advantages, again the vagaries of life. All in all, GWX gives satisfactory realism and uncertainty of the outcome of any action. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

01-22-07, 11:37 AM	#9
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	im playing stock atm and usually have at least one per patrol. Bernard keeps picking dodgy fish to load onto my boat __________________

01-22-07, 06:49 PM	#10
EM2(SS) Watch Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 22 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	First off, thanks for all the replies. quote: AVGWarhawkDon't forget the premature explosions as well. They are worse than the dudes. It kind of gives away your presence. Rough weather can give you the premature detonations. Kind of a two edge sword. You can get in very easy with the weather but all can be for not if the torp prematures on you How true. Last night got into a great convoy (9/40) somewhere north of AM53. It had one Large Tanker, a few Medium Tankers and Small Tankers and a couple Pyro's, in addition to Small Merchants and such. Weather was 15m winds, overcast, with medium fog. Got within 540m of a Flower and not detected!!!! (Totally perpindicular to it) Lined up 2 torps each on a Large Tanker and Pyro. Turned out due to duds, bad weather and my poor aim that I only sunk a Small Mercahant. I evaded on the surface to the rear of the convoy. Sunk a Lake ship that was a straggler but could not catch up to convoy due to weather (it was going at 10kts) While not the big haul that i wanted , it was a blast. Playing GWX with high realism sure does make you proud even when its not a big score like the constant 100k ton patrols in vanilla SH3. So once again thank you GWX team

01-23-07, 04:48 PM	#12
Freddie_123 Nub Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	EM2(SS) = Nuke?

01-23-07, 05:00 PM	#13
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I'm an impact pistol fan, and rarely will I use magnetics (I'd say about 80% of my shots are impact settings, set to about 2.5 - 3 meters depth, AOB between 70 and 110 degrees). Whenever I do use magnetics, I don't find I get so many duds as I do early detonations due to choppy seas and torpedos going under the ships due to the up and down motion of the waves. Very very very rarely do I get a torpedo that just bounces off the hull. This leads me to believe that impact pistols are more reliable than magnetics. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

01-23-07, 05:48 PM	#14
EM2(SS) Watch Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 22 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Quote: 01-23-2007 04:48 PMFreddie_123 EM2(SS) = Nuke? Yes I was, but have been out for 10 years. Hard to believe its been that long.

01-24-07, 09:50 AM	#15
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	i also agree that impact are better than magnetic and that also the magnetics did have a problem, they were dropped my aircraft but the exploded as soon as they hit the wate so they reverted back to impact. __________________