type VII class U-Boats (GWX)

hyperion2206 · 12-20-06, 08:39 AM

Does it make a difference which kind of VII I have? In SH3 vanilla all types of the VII had the same specs. Has that changed in GWX? If not I don't really get the point why I should get a VIIc/41 if it has the same specs as my beloved U-49 (VIIb).

LeafsFan · 12-20-06, 08:46 AM

IIRC, upgrading from a VIIB to a VIIC or VIIC/41 will give you 2 things, Increased range, and increased crush depth.

HB

SilverGhost · 12-20-06, 09:09 AM

In real life, the Type VIIC was almost the same boat from the B...the primary differences being a deeper dive depth and a wee bit heavier and better range. The C/41's were modified with a better bow design (often called the Atlantic Bow) to reduce drag, mine laying ability, some had schnorkels, and the addition of better anti-aircraft defense in the wintergarten...and a deeper dive depth over the C. The deck guns after early '42 were all but gone.

And...in case in you've seen it referenced...the C/42 which was to supercede the C/41 was never produced....production went directly to the D model.

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-20-06, 11:48 AM

In the SH3 code and files, there are only TWO Type VII's in truth.

1) VIIB

2) VIIC

All variants of the VIIC (VIIC/41 and VIIC/42) share the exact same in-game characteristics as the regular VIIC with maybe the exception of armament.

This is a game limitation that cannot be fixed without an SDK.

Furthermore, IMHO... the VCII/42 is the most useless sub in the game. It only existed on paper in real life.

hyperion2206 · 12-20-06, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

In the SH3 code and files, there are only TWO Type VII's in truth.

1) VIIB

2) VIIC

All variants of the VIIC (VIIC/41 and VIIC/42) share the exact same in-game characteristics as the regular VIIC with maybe the exception of armament.

This is a game limitation that cannot be fixed without an SDK.

Furthermore, IMHO... the VCII/42 is the most useless sub in the game. It only existed on paper in real life.

Thanxs for making that clear!

At least I know that there is slight difference between the different VII types.

Jimbuna · 12-20-06, 04:23 PM

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Furthermore, IMHO... the VCII/42 is the most useless sub in the game. It only existed on paper in real life.

Agree with you on that one Kpt.

spork542 · 12-20-06, 04:36 PM

So long as the crush depth for the /42 isn't realistic I agree. And by realistic, I mean ~450 meters.

Sailor Steve · 12-20-06, 04:37 PM

How can anything be realistic when everything about the boat was theoretical?

12-20-06, 08:39 AM	#1
hyperion2206 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 1,227 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	type VII class U-Boats (GWX) Does it make a difference which kind of VII I have? In SH3 vanilla all types of the VII had the same specs. Has that changed in GWX? If not I don't really get the point why I should get a VIIc/41 if it has the same specs as my beloved U-49 (VIIb).

12-20-06, 11:48 AM	#4
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,992 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	In the SH3 code and files, there are only TWO Type VII's in truth. 1) VIIB 2) VIIC All variants of the VIIC (VIIC/41 and VIIC/42) share the exact same in-game characteristics as the regular VIIC with maybe the exception of armament. This is a game limitation that cannot be fixed without an SDK. Furthermore, IMHO... the VCII/42 is the most useless sub in the game. It only existed on paper in real life. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

12-20-06, 04:36 PM	#7
spork542 Chief Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 328 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	So long as the crush depth for the /42 isn't realistic I agree. And by realistic, I mean ~450 meters. __________________

12-20-06, 04:37 PM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	How can anything be realistic when everything about the boat was theoretical? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-20-06, 08:46 AM	#2
LeafsFan Watch Officer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 332 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	IIRC, upgrading from a VIIB to a VIIC or VIIC/41 will give you 2 things, Increased range, and increased crush depth. HB

12-20-06, 09:09 AM	#3
SilverGhost Electrician's Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 131 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	In real life, the Type VIIC was almost the same boat from the B...the primary differences being a deeper dive depth and a wee bit heavier and better range. The C/41's were modified with a better bow design (often called the Atlantic Bow) to reduce drag, mine laying ability, some had schnorkels, and the addition of better anti-aircraft defense in the wintergarten...and a deeper dive depth over the C. The deck guns after early '42 were all but gone. And...in case in you've seen it referenced...the C/42 which was to supercede the C/41 was never produced....production went directly to the D model.