Neutral ships

Subwolf · 11-06-06, 09:40 AM

Jan-40, I attacked a convoy at night, two ships sunk. Didn't check the flags before the attack but they were both norwegian, and I got very little renown for this patrol.

What the h... are neutral ships doing in convoys? I thought every ship in a protected convoy is an enemy ship...but not in SH3?

Oh well I better figure out what I attack from now on...

Biggles · 11-06-06, 09:41 AM

The escorts are there to prevent people like you to commit warcrimes.

melnibonian · 11-06-06, 09:43 AM

Yes that's one of the problems with SH3. If a neutral ship is inside a convoy it is not considered fair game

Let's hope that GWX will change this

Subwolf · 11-06-06, 09:47 AM

Thanks, I see...hope it's fixed, not very realistic.

AVGWarhawk · 11-06-06, 10:05 AM

I believe neutrals did in fact move with the convoys. Sounds like a discussion to me

LET HER' RIP!

Herr Russ · 11-06-06, 10:07 AM

I ran into the same thing this weekend.. 3 neutrals in the middle. Luckily my spread missed them & took out hostiles instead..

Warmonger · 11-06-06, 10:07 AM

To my knowledge the only neutral ship sunk out of a convoy that stirred up major discussions was the US DD Reuben James.

All other neutrals travelling within convoys knew and accepted that they could be target of a sub attack.

Subwolf · 11-06-06, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggles

The escorts are there to prevent people like you to commit warcrimes.

Yes, I'm no longer a respectable uboat commander, Donitz gonna strip my medals and send me to clean barracks when he hears about this.

Subwolf · 11-06-06, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Warmonger

To my knowledge the only neutral ship sunk out of a convoy that stirred up major discussions was the US DD Reuben James.

All other neutrals travelling within convoys knew and accepted that they could be target of a sub attack.

You mean neutral ships in convoys was common? The Reuben James was on escort duty wasn't it? Then I can't understand why it was considered a neutral ship. That DD asked for it.

melnibonian · 11-06-06, 10:41 AM

Yes neutral ships in convoys were common during the initial stages of the war (after 1942 almost everyone was at war with Germany)

Technically speaking I think the neutral ships were considered neutral and the Prize Regulations applied. Practically they were supporting the enemy and after 1939 the Germans were shooting at almost anything in a convoy. For single ships things were different as there the Germans were a bit more 'understanding' of their neutrality.

As far as the US ships were concerned there was a big effort from the Germans to avoid hitting them but there was such 'hate and mistrust' on both sides that 'accidents' (as they were calling them) were common

Warmonger · 11-06-06, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Subwolf

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Originally Posted by Warmonger

To my knowledge the only neutral ship sunk out of a convoy that stirred up major discussions was the US DD Reuben James.

All other neutrals travelling within convoys knew and accepted that they could be target of a sub attack.

You mean neutral ships in convoys was common? The Reuben James was on escort duty wasn't it? Then I can't understand why it was considered a neutral ship. That DD asked for it.

Well, yes, kind of but still it was from a neutral country, strictly seen...

sonicninja · 11-06-06, 12:15 PM

in my humble opinion, if its on the roof (surface) then its a target

Thats the way im running things on U-48 anyway

AVGWarhawk · 11-06-06, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicninja

in my humble opinion, if its on the roof (surface) then its a target

Thats the way im running things on U-48 anyway

That's right....they are sleeping with the enemy

Sink'em and screw the renown!!!!

Warmonger · 11-06-06, 02:03 PM

If you keep a healthy ratio of sunk enemies to sunk neutrals it won't harm you that much anyway.
To leave lone neutrals alone but accept the occasional neutral sunk in a convoy seems to be fair enough.

Subwolf · 11-06-06, 02:22 PM

Yes but I wanna upgrade my boat as fast as possible, so I can't afford loosing renown.

From now on I'm gonna search convoys with the external cam and locate the neutrals...I guess that's mainly U.S and Norwegian ships.

11-06-06, 09:40 AM	#1
Subwolf Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA/Norway Posts: 394 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Neutral ships Jan-40, I attacked a convoy at night, two ships sunk. Didn't check the flags before the attack but they were both norwegian, and I got very little renown for this patrol. What the h... are neutral ships doing in convoys? I thought every ship in a protected convoy is an enemy ship...but not in SH3? Oh well I better figure out what I attack from now on...

11-06-06, 09:41 AM	#2
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The escorts are there to prevent people like you to commit warcrimes. __________________

11-06-06, 10:05 AM	#5
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I believe neutrals did in fact move with the convoys. Sounds like a discussion to me LET HER' RIP! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-06-06, 09:43 AM	#3
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yes that's one of the problems with SH3. If a neutral ship is inside a convoy it is not considered fair game Let's hope that GWX will change this

11-06-06, 09:47 AM	#4
Subwolf Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA/Norway Posts: 394 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Thanks, I see...hope it's fixed, not very realistic.

11-06-06, 10:07 AM	#6
Herr Russ Officer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego, CA. Posts: 246 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I ran into the same thing this weekend.. 3 neutrals in the middle. Luckily my spread missed them & took out hostiles instead..

11-06-06, 10:07 AM	#7
Warmonger Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 266 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	To my knowledge the only neutral ship sunk out of a convoy that stirred up major discussions was the US DD Reuben James. All other neutrals travelling within convoys knew and accepted that they could be target of a sub attack.

11-06-06, 10:41 AM	#10
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yes neutral ships in convoys were common during the initial stages of the war (after 1942 almost everyone was at war with Germany) Technically speaking I think the neutral ships were considered neutral and the Prize Regulations applied. Practically they were supporting the enemy and after 1939 the Germans were shooting at almost anything in a convoy. For single ships things were different as there the Germans were a bit more 'understanding' of their neutrality. As far as the US ships were concerned there was a big effort from the Germans to avoid hitting them but there was such 'hate and mistrust' on both sides that 'accidents' (as they were calling them) were common

11-06-06, 12:15 PM	#12
sonicninja Watch Officer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Periscope Depth Posts: 341 Downloads: 937 Uploads: 0	in my humble opinion, if its on the roof (surface) then its a target Thats the way im running things on U-48 anyway

11-06-06, 02:03 PM	#14
Warmonger Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 266 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	If you keep a healthy ratio of sunk enemies to sunk neutrals it won't harm you that much anyway. To leave lone neutrals alone but accept the occasional neutral sunk in a convoy seems to be fair enough.

11-06-06, 02:22 PM	#15
Subwolf Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA/Norway Posts: 394 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Yes but I wanna upgrade my boat as fast as possible, so I can't afford loosing renown. From now on I'm gonna search convoys with the external cam and locate the neutrals...I guess that's mainly U.S and Norwegian ships.