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Subwolf 11-06-06 09:40 AM

Neutral ships
 
Jan-40, I attacked a convoy at night, two ships sunk. Didn't check the flags before the attack but they were both norwegian, and I got very little renown for this patrol.

What the h... are neutral ships doing in convoys? I thought every ship in a protected convoy is an enemy ship...but not in SH3? :damn:

Oh well I better figure out what I attack from now on...

Biggles 11-06-06 09:41 AM

The escorts are there to prevent people like you to commit warcrimes.:up:

melnibonian 11-06-06 09:43 AM

Yes that's one of the problems with SH3. If a neutral ship is inside a convoy it is not considered fair game:shifty: Let's hope that GWX will change this

Subwolf 11-06-06 09:47 AM

Thanks, I see...hope it's fixed, not very realistic.

AVGWarhawk 11-06-06 10:05 AM

I believe neutrals did in fact move with the convoys. Sounds like a discussion to me:up:

LET HER' RIP!

Herr Russ 11-06-06 10:07 AM

I ran into the same thing this weekend.. 3 neutrals in the middle. Luckily my spread missed them & took out hostiles instead..

Warmonger 11-06-06 10:07 AM

To my knowledge the only neutral ship sunk out of a convoy that stirred up major discussions was the US DD Reuben James.

All other neutrals travelling within convoys knew and accepted that they could be target of a sub attack.

Subwolf 11-06-06 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggles
The escorts are there to prevent people like you to commit warcrimes.:up:

Yes, I'm no longer a respectable uboat commander, Donitz gonna strip my medals and send me to clean barracks when he hears about this.

Subwolf 11-06-06 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warmonger
To my knowledge the only neutral ship sunk out of a convoy that stirred up major discussions was the US DD Reuben James.

All other neutrals travelling within convoys knew and accepted that they could be target of a sub attack.

You mean neutral ships in convoys was common? The Reuben James was on escort duty wasn't it? Then I can't understand why it was considered a neutral ship. That DD asked for it.

melnibonian 11-06-06 10:41 AM

Yes neutral ships in convoys were common during the initial stages of the war (after 1942 almost everyone was at war with Germany)

Technically speaking I think the neutral ships were considered neutral and the Prize Regulations applied. Practically they were supporting the enemy and after 1939 the Germans were shooting at almost anything in a convoy. For single ships things were different as there the Germans were a bit more 'understanding' of their neutrality.

As far as the US ships were concerned there was a big effort from the Germans to avoid hitting them but there was such 'hate and mistrust' on both sides that 'accidents' (as they were calling them) were common

Warmonger 11-06-06 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subwolf
Quote:

Originally Posted by Warmonger
To my knowledge the only neutral ship sunk out of a convoy that stirred up major discussions was the US DD Reuben James.

All other neutrals travelling within convoys knew and accepted that they could be target of a sub attack.

You mean neutral ships in convoys was common? The Reuben James was on escort duty wasn't it? Then I can't understand why it was considered a neutral ship. That DD asked for it.

Well, yes, kind of but still it was from a neutral country, strictly seen...:-?

sonicninja 11-06-06 12:15 PM

in my humble opinion, if its on the roof (surface) then its a target :88)

Thats the way im running things on U-48 anyway:up:

AVGWarhawk 11-06-06 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonicninja
in my humble opinion, if its on the roof (surface) then its a target :88)

Thats the way im running things on U-48 anyway:up:

That's right....they are sleeping with the enemy:nope: Sink'em and screw the renown!!!!

Warmonger 11-06-06 02:03 PM

If you keep a healthy ratio of sunk enemies to sunk neutrals it won't harm you that much anyway.
To leave lone neutrals alone but accept the occasional neutral sunk in a convoy seems to be fair enough.

Subwolf 11-06-06 02:22 PM

Yes but I wanna upgrade my boat as fast as possible, so I can't afford loosing renown.

From now on I'm gonna search convoys with the external cam and locate the neutrals...I guess that's mainly U.S and Norwegian ships.


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