[REL] Fall of the Rising Sun Ultimate, full release

[Jeffg]

Waiting to see 3 guys in suits pop out of the car carrying tommy guns.

JeffG

[Mad Mardigan]

Ahoy...

What is up with responses to targets sighted..???

Sighted 2 groups, 1st was off to the north of Aparri, sent off a radio dispatch on them, only to get back from ComSubAfl, the following:

Lucrative target X forces dispatched to attack X safely disengage & resume current assignment or RTB for resupply or Repairs X

2nd group I run into has 2 Kongo BB's, 2 Heavy Cruisers, some merchants & a number of DD escorts of varying classes (that I got sight of), not counting some that hadn't gotten into viz range at the time.

I send off a flash message & get that same message above, YET again..???

What the..??

I ran into that 2nd group, making an end run to Mariveles, to see if I can resupply, before the fall of the Philippines. Fuel wise I'm alright, torps are kinda on the light side.

On another note, trying to figure out the current objective I got.. Leave base, with orders to patrol Lamon Bay, for 10 days, en route there, though the San Bernardino Passage, I run into a small task force consisting of 2 DD's (a Kamikaze & a Minekazi), a heavy Minelayer Okinoshima & a Seaplane Tender Chitose. I sank the Minekazi, 1st torp missed due to them evading, but... they didn't get away from the 2nd fish. The Kamikaze, went down by luck of getting tagged with the fish that the Minekazi evaded... talk about sheer luck. , which left Me the Minelayer & the Seaplane Tender. Sank the Mine layer with 1 fish, the Tender, took 3 to sink it.. having sank them completed the add on objective for that.

Made the Lamon Bay, & outside of that report by Me earlier, poked around in there for 5 days & then got messaged saying i had completed the objective for there... 5 days out of 10 & it's completed... something don't add up...

After that, had a green circle of approximate same size as the Lamon Bay area, showed up around Aparri, completed at minimum of 5 days after getting up there... at this point, a new, LARGE green circle showed up, encompassing the completed Lamon Bay inside it.

While in the Aparri area, I ran into that 1st group that I got messaged to disengage from... after doing so, I ran into an Aden Maru, sent it to Davey with 3 torps... 1 impact, 1 miss & then the 3rd which finished it off.

At this stage am not sure what is going on... can only assume, that I have to go another 5 days around Aparri (since I didn't get any message about that area, after Lamon Bay completed after only 5 out of 10 days... & no message about that large circle around the same general area of Lamon Bay.

So... after doing 5 days there around Apari, I decided to hot foot it back & try to get in a resupply, before the Philippines fall. & that, is when I ran into that 2nd group that led to this post. Date is now 25/12/41...

So... at this point in time, trying to make heads or tails out of all this.

M. M.



Ok, trying to figure out the mission objectives... disregard that portion...

Was able to make Mariveles, resupply, then hot footed it back to Aparri.

Not long after doing so, got message of that area completed rough 5 days, guess I missed hitting the 5 days right off as I thought I did.

That said, am to NOW... patrol that BIG green circle area, in the general Lamon Bay area this time, again time belled for 10 days like the Lamon Bay itself... unless that knocks out in 5 days as did patrolling the bay ended... 5 days ahead of schedule...

Guess I'll find out, soon enough... Onward & upwards... as the saying goes...

Cry havoc... & let slip the dawgs of WAR.!

M. M.

[propbeanie]

@ MM: Depending upon the routing in DynamicMiss, you might get that response if you only have 25%-30% of your torpedoes left. Since you apparently sighted a Task Force, it's probably a 30% requirement, so you "fell through" to option 50 response, which is "break-off". You can attack anyway, if you want, but you might just punch yourself into a trap with nothing to defend yourself with.

As to the time ordered to patrol, and what actually happens, that is the way things went quite a bit throughout the war, but especially early and especially with the Asiatic Fleet. They were "firefighting", running about from place to place where the Japanese had been sighted. The boat that had been assigned to the Aparri area had been recalled, so the boat at Lamon was moved north just after their arrival at Lamon. Naturally, that move caused them to miss the invasion force for Lamon Bay... What you encountered coming out of the San Bernardino Pass was the Japanese support force that was tasked with mining the approaches to San Bernardino Pass to protect the flanks of the Lingayen Gulf force. If you hang in that area a few days, you do encounter both the invasion forces and the support forces out of Palau, which then go to Davao Gulf, of which, if you are in the Aparri Area, your boat gets called to go fight ~that~ fire. Quite a few of the Manila boats in fact, are called to head for Davao Gulf. Others, if you call in a Status Report, you'll get the same thing. Either an assignment north and east of Davao, or east toward Palau, south of Davao toward Celebes, or west in the Celebes Sea. After that, the next "emergency" is in the Celebes and Sulu Seas as the Japanese move on Borneo, then Makassar Strait and Balikpapan, etc... Just a mass of confusion on all points of the compass, which was part of the Japanese plan, similar to "blitzkrieg", only on the water...

As for the "objective", you have to pay attention to orders. Use your Captain's clipboard Mission Objectives (<F8>) to try to follow along with Manila. Click the "magnifying glass" to be "centered" on the objective area. You might have noticed that the Lamon Bay fulfilled when you were ordered to Aparri. This is one thing with FotRSU that we've done, in that you get the renown points for the objective, whether it was an order for 10 days, and it only lasted 3 or if it was for 6 days, and didn't even last 24 hours, or if it was for 10 days and you had to stay the full 10 days in a little 50nm area... you get the points for the completed objective if ordered elsewhere. If you don't, let us know. I'll have to visit the mission though, to look and see if you go back to Lamon Bay, or down to Lingayen Gulf, but...

You might end up ordered back into a previously visited area, such as what might happen with your assignment with Lamon Bay, then to Aparri, and then probably back to Lamon Bay. I'll check that to make certain, but your objective probably encompasses a larger area the 2nd time. I've probably got the "patrol circle" set to appear too soon though. But this is why, as an order from ComSubsAF, you are told to husband your torpedoes, conserve your fuel, etc. upon departure. Of course, no one expected MacArthur to allow his airplanes to be caught on the ground and over half of them destroyed on 10 December 1942, which allowed the Japanese all kinds of options then with their invasion plans, and really put the sub force behind the eight ball... Couple that with really really bad performance from the Mk14 torps, which scared the buhjeeberz out of more than a couple of the skippers (imagine one sub against a couple dozen capital ships, knowing that your torpedoes are impotent), combined with probably a good third of the skippers being sonar indoctrinated and war games subservient (little play on words there), and material failures (especially S-Boats) all combined to bring about a disaster for the region and the submarine force. Look at the ships sunk to boats lost ratio... not good...

I do have to look into the "duds" mods today, and maybe get a few add-ins posted soon, so that you can truly "taste" a small touch of what those fellows went through almost 80 years ago.

Edit: I have checked, and the mission file for what you have there MM is for Lamon Bay, re-directed to Aparri, re-directed back to Lamon Bay, but to cover a larger area, then that set is finished. You end up on the wrong side of Luzon, in a slightly difficult position if you are low on anything... Make a run to Manila, if it's not too late, or make a run for Balikpapan?... tough choices.

[Mad Mardigan]

Ahoy, propbeanie...
Reply from Me in dark orange...

Originally Posted by propbeanie

@ MM: Depending upon the routing in DynamicMiss, you might get that response if you only have 25%-30% of your torpedoes left. In this case, I had around 1/2 of My loadout +1, by this time... so, with running into that 2nd group, may have been good I got orders to avoid them.Since you apparently sighted a Task Force, it's probably a 30% requirement, so you "fell through" to option 50 response, which is "break-off". You can attack anyway, if you want, but you might just punch yourself into a trap with nothing to defend yourself with. True, had I folowed My intial reaction of saying srooge it & having attacked the 1st group I ran into there around Aparri... Not sure I would have made it out of that there... there were a crap ton of escorts of differing types, to say the least. More of them than there were of the bigger warships & merchies.

As to the time ordered to patrol, and what actually happens, that is the way things went quite a bit throughout the war, but especially early and especially with the Asiatic Fleet. They were "firefighting", running about from place to place where the Japanese had been sighted. The boat that had been assigned to the Aparri area had been recalled, so the boat at Lamon was moved north just after their arrival at Lamon. Naturally, that move caused them to miss the invasion force for Lamon Bay... What you encountered coming out of the San Bernardino Pass was the Japanese support force that was tasked with mining the approaches to San Bernardino Pass to protect the flanks of the Lingayen Gulf force. If you hang in that area a few days, you do encounter both the invasion forces and the support forces out of Palau, which then go to Davao Gulf, of which, if you are in the Aparri Area, your boat gets called to go fight ~that~ fire. Quite a few of the Manila boats in fact, are called to head for Davao Gulf. Others, if you call in a Status Report, you'll get the same thing. Either an assignment north and east of Davao, or east toward Palau, south of Davao toward Celebes, or west in the Celebes Sea. After that, the next "emergency" is in the Celebes and Sulu Seas as the Japanese move on Borneo, then Makassar Strait and Balikpapan, etc... Just a mass of confusion on all points of the compass, which was part of the Japanese plan, similar to "blitzkrieg", only on the water... That's the craziness of it all.. I started off with the initial orders, patrol Lamon Bay 10 days. as stated, I ran into that small task force (sent off the radio flash of running into them & got the reply back 'Sink It.. NOW.! ) & wiped it off the map. It is after I patrolled Lamon Bay that things went weird... As stated, I slunk around in the Bay & when I hit day 5's end... objective tagged as completed. When I messaged in, got told complete mission objects & I'm like what objectives... NO message of what objective was to be at that point. The circle popped up around Aparri, with a yellow star & a set of bino's in the middle of the star. Not even any text message stating that, not in the Captain's log clipboard or that grey'ish box just above the bar at the bottom. NOTHING... which is what led to My being confloozled... & that happening , didn't just stop with there... when that large circle showed up, having the original patrol Lamon Bay 10 days circle, inside it... again... no messages... NOTHING. No incriminations here... just saying that happened & wanting to know why. you'd think that with Command, they would have radioed or messaged the skipper about patrol objectives. Seem to recall seeing where they did & didn't hear back and would resend them again... that's what's so confounding... why was there no messages for them at all.?

As for the "objective", you have to pay attention to orders. Use your Captain's clipboard Mission Objectives (<F8>) to try to follow along with Manila. I did, see above. The ONLY thing that showed there was as follows:

Patrol Lamon Bay for 10 days
Attack the Japanese task fore (received, after radioing in upon running into that 4 ship group in the San Bernardino Pass..)
3rd one, no info about it, NOTHING... (see attached screenshot on that...)which, ironically, shoots your view up to the Aparri area...

Click the "magnifying glass" to be "centered" on the objective area. You might have noticed that the Lamon Bay fulfilled when you were ordered to Aparri. This is one thing with FotRSU that we've done, in that you get the renown points for the objective, whether it was an order for 10 days, and it only lasted 3 or if it was for 6 days, and didn't even last 24 hours, or if it was for 10 days and you had to stay the full 10 days in a little 50nm area... you get the points for the completed objective if ordered elsewhere. If you don't, let us know. Good question, just how do I verify on that, exactly..? so that I can confirm it does so or not, so if not I can then know to bring it up.I'll have to visit the mission though, to look and see if you go back to Lamon Bay, or down to Lingayen Gulf, but...

You might end up ordered back into a previously visited area, such as what might happen with your assignment with Lamon Bay, then to Aparri, and then probably back to Lamon Bay. I'll check that to make certain, but your objective probably encompasses a larger area the 2nd time. I've probably got the "patrol circle" set to appear too soon though.Can confirm both for you already... on the circles, yeah I do believe this to be the case there... as for getting orders to go back to the Lamon Bay area, that is an affirmative. I did so, right after I got back into the Aparri area like a couple of hours of patrolling around there... The star with the bino's disappears completely yet no tag of it being completed shows in the mission objectives, on the clipboard...See attached screenie. But this is why, as an order from ComSubsAF, you are told to husband your torpedoes, conserve your fuel, etc. upon departure. Of course, no one expected MacArthur to allow his airplanes to be caught on the ground and over half of them destroyed on 10 December 1942, which allowed the Japanese all kinds of options then with their invasion plans, and really put the sub force behind the eight ball... Couple that with really really bad performance from the Mk14 torps, which scared the buhjeeberz out of more than a couple of the skippers (imagine one sub against a couple dozen capital ships, knowing that your torpedoes are impotent), combined with probably a good third of the skippers being sonar indoctrinated and war games subservient (little play on words there), and material failures (especially S-Boats) all combined to bring about a disaster for the region and the submarine force. Look at the ships sunk to boats lost ratio... not good...

I do have to look into the "duds" mods today, and maybe get a few add-ins posted soon, so that you can truly "taste" a small touch of what those fellows went through almost 80 years ago.

Edit: I have checked, and the mission file for what you have there MM is for Lamon Bay, re-directed to Aparri, re-directed back to Lamon Bay, but to cover a larger area, then that set is finished. You end up on the wrong side of Luzon, in a slightly difficult position if you are low on anything... Make a run to Manila, if it's not too late, or make a run for Balikpapan?... tough choices. Yeah... was able to make it to Mariveles, right before the message came though of that locations destruction... whew... had 10/11 tops left, when I ran into that big fleet of warships just shy of Lingayen Gulf... 2 heavy Cruisers & 2 Kongo class BB's... with a couple of merchies screened by escorts... side of them I was on (seaward side of them, by the way..) their escorts were shoddy... vast majority were between the big warships & merchies & the island, the seaward side was almost barren of them... just 1 or 2 of them, maybe 3... hard to recall exactly right now... I think... shoulda sent most of My fish I had at the cruisers & a couple of merchies... caused some havoc for them before I completed hot footing it to Mariveles to resupply... Ahh well... hindsight 20/20 & all that jazz...

On a side note, is good to know that after completing the 2nd visit to the Lamon Bay area, if need be, I can resupply at Balikpan... instead of going all the way to Surabaya.

Mission Objective clipboard screenie...

[propbeanie]

Ah-haa!!! pictures always help... I are slow, and needed more data... Looking elsewhere now. First glance at the mis & tsr files, and there should not be a problem there, however... "testing"...

[Front Runner]

Same area Sagami Wan near Tokyo Bay. After a successful attack, cleared the area on the surface. Saved SH4 FOTRSUv1.39 for the night, game time was ~0015 Dec. 26, 1941. When I returned to play, the save game came up loaded with gauges at high noon. I did some experimenting. It seems there is something wrong with the mission assignment. This is the second time this has happened to me in the same area on about the same date and time.

First Patrol with a Gar Class sub, out of Pearl on Dec. 9, 1941. Assigned to Sagami Wan, the first time and Sagami Nada (same patrol area BTW, just outside Tokyo Bay. Arrived on station Dec. 24/25 1941. Sunk some targets. Cleared the area, saved the game, comes back up broken.

Yes, I was very careful not to use excess TC. I didn't have any Alt/Tab issues.

Has anyone else been able to successfully complete the Sagami Wan/Sagami Nada Mission without the gauges at high noon issue?

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Ah-haa!!! pictures always help... I are slow, and needed more data... Looking elsewhere now. First glance at the mis & tsr files, and there should not be a problem there, however... "testing"...

Yeah, those 3 mag glasses there in the snap pic... the middle 1 is completely devoid of any info...

My clicking on that 1, snaps Me up there to the Aparri area in the pic... yet no objective info nor as with the top 1 which was the 1st visit to Lamon Bay, shows complete... the 1 for the Aparri area... NOPE... no sign of completion, despite getting told to go to the Lamon Bay area, again....

Even My run in with that IJN task force while in transit for My 1st trip there to Lamon Bay, shows completed.

No idea what happened as for the info for Aparri NOT showing up, nor the completed tag NOT showing up... or the star not staying up & showing a red check mark in the middle of it. It did just prior to leaving the Aparri area to make way to the Lamon Bay for the 2nd time, though. Noticed that, when I went to snap a screenshot of it along with the message clipboard up when I took the screenie...

Hopefully all this info helps figure out what is going on with it.

If any more info needed, don't hesitate to ask.

M. M.

[Mios 4Me]

USS Gato, ex-Midway, after numerous assignments with poor returns, decided to check out Truk without orders. On the E side, on 11/2/42 @ 0500, multiple targets appeared on the radar, most bound ENE. We swept out wide to the E to intercept the lead elements, a merchant with an escort. This Whale Factory must have been the most important WF in the history of the world as it was escorted by a Yamato BB, both moving slowly.

We sank the BB, then took a closer look at the WF: it was almost submerged and the song of the sea began to play. We quickly surfaced and sank it with the deck gun. Radar then reported that the escorts and a carrier were still where originally reported 15 km from the BB, ie stationary. We approached and put five Mk14s into a Taiyo CVE, which did not sink. An errant torpedo sank an escort.

Closer into Truk, a sub was frozen next to a merchant and a freighter was stationary a few km E of that.

Leaving the area, the game CTDed.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

Same area Sagami Wan near Tokyo Bay. After a successful attack, cleared the area on the surface. Saved SH4 FOTRSUv1.39 for the night, game time was ~0015 Dec. 26, 1941. When I returned to play, the save game came up loaded with gauges at high noon. I did some experimenting. It seems there is something wrong with the mission assignment. This is the second time this has happened to me in the same area on about the same date and time.

First Patrol with a Gar Class sub, out of Pearl on Dec. 9, 1941. Assigned to Sagami Wan, the first time and Sagami Nada (same patrol area BTW, just outside Tokyo Bay. Arrived on station Dec. 24/25 1941. Sunk some targets. Cleared the area, saved the game, comes back up broken.

Yes, I was very careful not to use excess TC. I didn't have any Alt/Tab issues.

Has anyone else been able to successfully complete the Sagami Wan/Sagami Nada Mission without the gauges at high noon issue?

We'll check-out the area and mission, but there is a slight difference between Sagami Wan, and Sagami Nada (Sagaminada):

The Bay (Wan) is pink, the "Sea" (Nada), is green

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

Yeah, those 3 mag glasses there in the snap pic... the middle 1 is completely devoid of any info...

My clicking on that 1, snaps Me up there to the Aparri area in the pic... yet no objective info nor as with the top 1 which was the 1st visit to Lamon Bay, shows complete... the 1 for the Aparri area... NOPE... no sign of completion, despite getting told to go to the Lamon Bay area, again....

Even My run in with that IJN task force while in transit for My 1st trip there to Lamon Bay, shows completed.

No idea what happened as for the info for Aparri NOT showing up, nor the completed tag NOT showing up... or the star not staying up & showing a red check mark in the middle of it. It did just prior to leaving the Aparri area to make way to the Lamon Bay for the 2nd time, though. Noticed that, when I went to snap a screenshot of it along with the message clipboard up when I took the screenie...

Hopefully all this info helps figure out what is going on with it.

If any more info needed, don't hesitate to ask.

M. M.

I think I have found it, or rather, have NOT found it... There isn't an entry for an Objective listing... In some edit a while back, I apparently deleted an incorrect line, because there is a useless line of text in the tsr, and not the Objective listing. I am currently sort-of wrenching on it. I am actually trying to get away from an invasion force I found traveling north of Aparri, probably bound for Lingayen Gulf. I shot the four bow tubes as a spread from about 3800 yards, since I was losing them, not able to close anymore, and it was going to be daylight in an hour, so I let fly, figuring that I'd turn and let fly with the stern tubes also. I don't think I had turned much more than one degree when the first shot prematured. Not only did it scare the darkness out of us, but it also ruined the stopwatch. I do so wish the thing would "cascade" from one to the next... oh well. So a preemie, a hit on the bow of a light cruiser, that then slowed maybe to 6 knots, and the next two ran deep under a transport... The convoy had enough escorts to leave three behind with me, while they sailed away into the sunrise, with me trying to slink off quietly. Still not clear of these three ya-hoos, so I Saved and came back with the intel report:

Tracking down a reported ship, but you can see the Aparri Objective is like yours

Originally Posted by Mios 4Me

USS Gato, ex-Midway, after numerous assignments with poor returns, decided to check out Truk without orders. On the E side, on 11/2/42 @ 0500, multiple targets appeared on the radar, most bound ENE. We swept out wide to the E to intercept the lead elements, a merchant with an escort. This Whale Factory must have been the most important WF in the history of the world as it was escorted by a Yamato BB, both moving slowly.

We sank the BB, then took a closer look at the WF: it was almost submerged and the song of the sea began to play. We quickly submerged and sank it with the deck gun. Radar then reported that the escorts and a carrier were still where originally reported 15 km from the BB, ie stationary. We approached and put five Mk14s into a Taiyo CVE, which did not sink. An errant torpedo sank an escort.

Closer into Truk, a sub was frozen next to a merchant and a freighter was stationary a few km E of that.

Leaving the area, the game CTDed.

I'll look into it Mios 4Me, but there should not be a Yamato east of Truk at that time. Later on, they make a run to Eniwetok, with a Task Force that includes oilers, but I don't remember if that has a whale factory in it or not...

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

MM,
I think I have found it, or rather, have NOT found it... There isn't an entry for an Objective listing... In some edit a while back, I apparently deleted an incorrect line, because there is a useless line of text in the tsr, and not the Objective listing. I am currently sort-of wrenching on it. I am actually trying to get away from an invasion force I found traveling north of Aparri, probably bound for Lingayen Gulf. I shot the four bow tubes as a spread from about 3800 yards, since I was losing them, not able to close anymore, and it was going to be daylight in an hour, so I let fly, figuring that I'd turn and let fly with the stern tubes also. I don't think I had turned much more than one degree when the first shot prematured. Not only did it scare the darkness out of us, but it also ruined the stopwatch. I do so wish the thing would "cascade" from one to the next... oh well. So a preemie, a hit on the bow of a light cruiser, that then slowed maybe to 6 knots, and the next two ran deep under a transport... The convoy had enough escorts to leave three behind with me, while they sailed away into the sunrise, with me trying to slink off quietly. Still not clear of these three ya-hoos, so I Saved and came back with the intel report:

Tracking down a reported ship, but you can see the Aparri Objective is like yours

Ahoy, propbeanie...

Sounds like that group or task/invasion force you found, is that same one I ran into while up there around Aparri, for Me. A light cruiser, couple of merchies & a crap ton of escorts... lemme guess... a heading of 274'ish, iirc. Making for the small break in between Luzon & the island just north of it.

Any way, glad My info helped track down an issue with it all...

Thanks for looking into it...

M. M.

[mikesn9]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

Same area Sagami Wan near Tokyo Bay. After a successful attack, cleared the area on the surface. Saved SH4 FOTRSUv1.39 for the night, game time was ~0015 Dec. 26, 1941. When I returned to play, the save game came up loaded with gauges at high noon. I did some experimenting. It seems there is something wrong with the mission assignment. This is the second time this has happened to me in the same area on about the same date and time.

First Patrol with a Gar Class sub, out of Pearl on Dec. 9, 1941. Assigned to Sagami Wan, the first time and Sagami Nada (same patrol area BTW, just outside Tokyo Bay. Arrived on station Dec. 24/25 1941. Sunk some targets. Cleared the area, saved the game, comes back up broken.

Yes, I was very careful not to use excess TC. I didn't have any Alt/Tab issues.

Has anyone else been able to successfully complete the Sagami Wan/Sagami Nada Mission without the gauges at high noon issue?

Same thing happened to me, Sagami wan on a tambor out of Midway 12/9/43 FOTRSU 1.39, windows 7 64 bit LAA in use.
I had the 10 day (total) mission, got a tanker and passenger-cargo outside of mission zone, returned. problem showed up in saves around 12/22-12/23

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

Same area Sagami Wan near Tokyo Bay. After a successful attack, cleared the area on the surface. Saved SH4 FOTRSUv1.39 for the night, game time was ~0015 Dec. 26, 1941. When I returned to play, the save game came up loaded with gauges at high noon. I did some experimenting. It seems there is something wrong with the mission assignment. This is the second time this has happened to me in the same area on about the same date and time.

First Patrol with a Gar Class sub, out of Pearl on Dec. 9, 1941. Assigned to Sagami Wan, the first time and Sagami Nada (same patrol area BTW, just outside Tokyo Bay. Arrived on station Dec. 24/25 1941. Sunk some targets. Cleared the area, saved the game, comes back up broken.

Yes, I was very careful not to use excess TC. I didn't have any Alt/Tab issues.

Has anyone else been able to successfully complete the Sagami Wan/Sagami Nada Mission without the gauges at high noon issue?

Originally Posted by mikesn9

Same thing happened to me, Sagami wan on a tambor out of Midway 12/9/43 FOTRSU 1.39, windows 7 64 bit LAA in use.
I had the 10 day (total) mission, got a tanker and passenger-cargo outside of mission zone, returned. problem showed up in saves around 12/22-12/23

This would suggest then, that it is most likely not the mission then (the "early" mission is different from the later ones encountered), but rather, more likely a ship (or surfaced submarine) that has a configuration issue. This could also be the Tambor (the Gar is a clone of the Tambor Class), which is a scary thought... s7rikeback and myself have been looking at the Narwhal and Tench rather closely - surely it isn't the Tambor causing issues (again)?? Much digging is required here. The "suspect" list is rather long at this point. Mikesn9, what is your mod list, and do you do any "shelling-out to Windows? Are you using DXWnd like Front Runner? Any other configuration items of yours that might influence things? Thanks guys, for the reports. Anyone else with similar issue of 12 O'clock or "dark" gauges, any sub, anywhere, anytime?

[Cybermat47]

FROM: CINCPAC
TO: ALL SUBMARINES

ALL SUBMARINES TO HEAD TO SAGAMI WAN X IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE WITH JAPAN IN EFFECT X RENDER AID TO JAPANESE FORCES IN SAGAMI WAN X WEAR LEAD UNDERPANTS IF YOU WANT TO HAVE KIDS X



That movie is what I know Sagami Bay from, so I couldn’t resist

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

FROM: CINCPAC
TO: ALL SUBMARINES

ALL SUBMARINES TO HEAD TO SAGAMI WAN X IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE WITH JAPAN IN EFFECT X RENDER AID TO JAPANESE FORCES IN SAGAMI WAN X WEAR LEAD UNDERPANTS IF YOU WANT TO HAVE KIDS X



That movie is what I know Sagami Bay from, so I couldn’t resist

AAAHHHH! It's Godzilla
It looks like Godzilla, but due to international copyright laws, it isn't!
But it looks like Godzilla!

[propbeanie]