Illegal Immigrants heckle the President...he handled something in a classy manner

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by les green01

I got Native American in me and proud of it if you care to look at history you will find out it was the white man who was the savage,hell it was the french and englandish who caught the so call savage to scalp as proof a enemy as fallen.

I beg to differ scalping is a body mutilation act that has been around for thousands of years and occurred in many cultures.People do bad things to each other.

They have found bodies of Native American skulls that date back to a time before the whites where present that show evidence that the scalp was removed.

One of my distant relatives got his tongue and part of his throat cut out by some Comanches in Texas(I have seen photos of the man taken late in his life he has the obvious scars). Of course whites did the same to the Comanche.

It is more accurate to say that any group of people is capable of mutilation of ones enemies it is a human trait(unfortunately) not a trait of anyone group.The way I see it such actions are an individual choice however warfare is a group activity so when one person does something some of his cohorts will be more likely to imitate that act and of course the enemy when they see what has been to one of theirs will want to get revenge.

Did the Europeans in some cases encourage and even pay for scalps sure they did where some native Americans also performing mutilation acts upon Europeans and enemy tribes sure they where did every single tribe scalp enemies I highly doubt it.But I have no doubt that they had encounters with other tribes who did long before anyone came along to have any influence one way or the other.

[vienna]

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[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Why can't you lot just do what Australia did with all our illegal immigrants before the conservatives came to power? It had it's problems, definitely, but for the most part it worked. Retool it a bit, and it would probably work for America.

And Bubblehead, for someone who says that they're not crazy, why was your final solution to the immigrant problem killing them all? Seems a bit bloodthirsty...

Okay, I did not say kill them all, I said deport them but if they are stupid enough to rush the border, cross illegally, the should be fired upon, end of story.

[Wolferz]

A few well publicized drone strikes at the next bunch hopping the border would go a long way toward curtailing the practice.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Illegals should be so scared to death they very few would dare be here illegally, it's one of the few things where I am okay with heavy handed tactics. Heavily armed guards in all areas of borders, helicopter gunships that shoot if they cross the border, land mines, free fire orders on incidents such as the one in san diego recently where they rushed the border, assaulted Border Patrol.Illegal Immigration is one of the major threats to the future of this country, we have tolerated it for far too long.

This is what you posted earlier.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Okay, I did not say kill them all, I said deport them but if they are stupid enough to rush the border, cross illegally, the should be fired upon, end of story.

Maybe not kill them all but bloodthirsty and extreme nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Okay, I did not say kill them all, I said deport them but if they are stupid enough to rush the border, cross illegally, the should be fired upon, end of story.

So free fire zones with helicopter gunships to kill illegal immigrants (plus anyone else in the area)if they are in the zone, but don't kill overstays.
You really didn't think it through before you parroted that extremist nonsense.
So what about some of the other aspects.
Forced evictions of very large numbers of US citizens and government seizure of land from US citizens?
Surely that is counter to the ideology you claim to follow.
Would that be tyranny you be wanting? Trading liberty for an illusion of security from the "savages"

[Wolferz]

In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
Seeking a new route to India.
He discovered a new continent. Well, it wasn't really new, was it?
He mistakenly thought the residents were Indians.
Just new to him and all those squatters who followed.

Suffice it to say...
White men can't jump,

Oh, wait, they can jump your property and claim it for God and King and then themselves with unfair trade practices Check out these beads baby!

They made Americo Vespucci proud and immortalized him with America.

Damned Mafia!

Let's all celebrate and give thanks to the former owners of our land who were just keeping it warm for us.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yeah, illegals get FAFSA and grants plus scholarships that should be going to legal citzens.

I'm not sure how it works in TX but the Mexicans getting FAFSA in my neck of the woods are not illegal. These are kids that from our own laws are legal as they were born on US soil to parents that are illegals. They then are no different than other races that get extra goodies as a result of just being a particular race. Even then I'm not sure they are getting extra goodies for just being. Certainly the pie gets smaller.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So free fire zones with helicopter gunships to kill illegal immigrants (plus anyone else in the area)if they are in the zone, but don't kill overstays.
You really didn't think it through before you parroted that extremist nonsense.
So what about some of the other aspects.
Forced evictions of very large numbers of US citizens and government seizure of land from US citizens?
Surely that is counter to the ideology you claim to follow.
Would that be tyranny you be wanting? Trading liberty for an illusion of security from the "savages"

I said nothing about US citizens, stop trying to muddy the waters of the discussion,this is about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.Yes, detain and deport anyone here illegally.Those who dare to rush the border as in San Diego recently, fire upon them, would send a message.I am parroting nothing.

Deporting illegals and making a border they can't cross is not trading liberty for anything, it's getting rid of illegal trash that have no right to be in my country, causing many problems.

Sooo simple, some people simply have a right to be here, others do not, the end.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by TarJak

This is what you posted earlier.



Maybe not kill them all but bloodthirsty and extreme nonetheless.

Not extreme or bloodthirsty, perhaps you and others who are for open borders and allowing this filth to continue wreaking havoc on our country, are weak and oversensitive? They have no right to be here, they are ILLLEGAL.They do not respect out laws, they break them by just entering the country.

[Bubblehead1980]

I am sick of the "apologists" who talk about how awful it is what was done to the native americans.Look this was not a sovereign nation, so it was settled.Wars were fought with the natives and the lost, losing wars have consequences.Could things have been handled in a better manner such as resettlement etc? Absolutely.Does it mean people should still feel guility and apologize ? NO World was a different place then and some survival of the fittest came into play, many resisted, they lost.Really, in the long wrong they are better off, would still be living in tents, dancing for rain, and chasing buffalo if not for settlement.

[Tchocky]

Argle gargle google garb.

This is not directed at anyone in particular.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I am sick of the "apologists" who talk about how awful it is what was done to the native americans.Look this was not a sovereign nation, so it was settled.Wars were fought with the natives and the lost, losing wars have consequences.Could things have been handled in a better manner such as resettlement etc? Absolutely.Does it mean people should still feel guility and apologize ? NO World was a different place then and some survival of the fittest came into play, many resisted, they lost.Really, in the long wrong they are better off, would still be living in tents, dancing for rain, and chasing buffalo if not for settlement.

You are in desperate need of a history lesson.

[TarJak]

Interesting opinion. Shooting people is not bloodthirsty. Certainly sounds extreme to me.

You have no idea what my position on border security is.

You have been given some insight into the fact that I care about humanity.

I certainly don't agree that violence is going to make a bit of difference.

Killing people who want to make a better life for themselves is not a sane response to the problem.

[Father Goose]

I think Bubblehead would make a great radio talk show host. I wonder if he's ever considered that occupation. The show would have high ratings as all of Subsim would call in to yell at him.

Something to consider...