Illegal Immigrants heckle the President...he handled something in a classy manner

[Armistead]

My wife's sister was a speech therapist for kids with speech disorders in pubic schools. It wasn't long her class was full of kids that couldn't speak English. She was soon replaced by a teacher to teach the illegals. They moved her class to the weekend, then dropped it due to budget cuts the following year.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

signs reads "No Vacancy" now, we have too many people in this country, resources are spread thin.We allow legal immigration but those who violate our laws, come here illegally, do not belong here.

Ah well I'm sure a big neon sign at the border saying bugger off all non Americans will be just as effective as what you have now.

This was a disgusting display, the gall of illegal immigrants to speak out, they do not have the rights, they have no rights but to get on a bus, boat, plane, or train back where they belong.

How's law school?
Were you asleep during your lessons?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

How's law school?
Were you asleep during your lessons?

Going well thanks. I know they actually have some rights, they are people after all.However, they feel that they are entitled to same rights as a citizen, when they are not and are in fact breaking the law by being here, the gall to protest, etc it's just disgusting.

Going well thanks. I know they actually have some rights, they are people after all.

Then why parrot that extremist nonsense you started with if you know it is not true?
It only makes your argument look silly.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Then why parrot that extremist nonsense you started with if you know it is not true?
It only makes your argument look silly.

Not nonsense.While they are human beings, does not mean they are entitled to to be in this country or get anything but a ticket home, as they have zero respect for our laws and sovereignty.Their children they put at risk by bringing here illegally are victims of this mess but still do not belong here.Life is not fair, there are plenty of actual citizens in the US suffering because of illegal immigrants.From average joe's wages being lower to due to illegals undercutting the labor market, to countless rapes, murders, robberies, DUI, vehicle accidents, to straining any already strained education, health, and welfare system, they simply do not belong and no right to be here.All the bleeding hearts need to start worrying about our own citizens and not illegal immigrants, other than sending them back.When I say they have no rights, I do not mean in the legal sense they have not rights, more in a metaphorical sense.Certainly a sad statement on our culture when an illegal immigrant feels it is okay to heckle the President on national tv and openly admit he is illegal, (afterwards he should have been detained, then deported) demand the president abuse his power to grant amnesty since it can't get through congress.Illegals should be so scared to death they very few would dare be here illegally, it's one of the few things where I am okay with heavy handed tactics. Heavily armed guards in all areas of borders, helicopter gunships that shoot if they cross the border, land mines, free fire orders on incidents such as the one in san diego recently where they rushed the border, assaulted Border Patrol.Illegal Immigration is one of the major threats to the future of this country, we have tolerated it for far too long.

Not nonsense

Complete nonsense.
But even better , in attempting to defend the extremist nonsense you started with you go full on crazy extremist in that post.
Never go full on crazy extremist, it just makes your arguments look silly.
It is funny really, you complain about the DHS having body armour and armoured cars and guns and bullets , yet now you want them to have helicopter gunships so they can kill suspects on sight

[AVGWarhawk]

The illegals have become a fabric of our society. In as such, instead of fighting to send them out our efforts should be on integrating and full citizenship. I don't want to hear they are a scourge and take from the tax payers. There are plenty of legals doing the same and contribute zero to society monetarily or physically.

You see, IMO, many of these folks come to embetter their lives. The ones I see and deal with daily work hard. Who am I to stop them from obtaining what everyone wants in America? Safety, security and a future. Not much unlike those that passed through Ellis Island.

My issue is they have become a political pawn and those blowhards in DC pander for their votes. It is quite sickening really.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Complete nonsense.
But even better , in attempting to defend the extremist nonsense you started with you go full on crazy extremist in that post.
Never go full on crazy extremist, it just makes your arguments look silly.
It is funny really, you complain about the DHS having body armour and armoured cars and guns and bullets , yet now you want them to have helicopter gunships so they can kill suspects on sight

Border security only.Defending the borders is not extreme...

[Herr-Berbunch]

Illegal immigrants? Wasn't that how America got 'found' in the first place?

The land of the free, and the home of the brave, until they get kicked to the kerb.

Where anyone can be anything, except President, or legal.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The illegals have become a fabric of our society. In as such, instead of fighting to send them out our efforts should be on integrating and full citizenship. I don't want to hear they are a scourge and take from the tax payers. There are plenty of legals doing the same and contribute zero to society monetarily or physically.

You see, IMO, many of these folks come to embetter their lives. The ones I see and deal with daily work hard. Who am I to stop them from obtaining what everyone wants in America? Safety, security and a future. Not much unlike those that passed through Ellis Island.

My issue is they have become a political pawn and those blowhards in DC pander for their votes. It is quite sickening really.

No, they undercut the labor market.Plenty of people would do those jobs if they at least paid a living wage and not as slave wage.Best example is one I have used, because I know someone personally affected by this but scenario repeats itself across the country.Regular Joe owns a lawn business, charges $100 for standard yard cut, etc.This 100% is not pure profit, still has to pay one worker, fuel, etc for equipment.Like any other person, has bills etc, certainly not going to get rich, but it pays the bills.Jose enters scene, will do the yard for $50, does not have to pay his worker(s) much, $50 is a lot of money to him.Now, I am for free market but when someone who is not even entitled to be here comes in and undercuts actual US citizens, forcing them to lower prices, thus they have less money to live on and find themselves working at or just above slave wages or in some cases, go out of business, that is wrong!

Sadly, in our bleeding heart society we won't do what is needed.A law that gives everyone here illegally one year to register, to go back home, and apply to come here legally, after that, anyone caught here illegally are subject to immediate deportation, no ands ifs or buts. .That with a secure border, problem solved.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

No, they undercut the labor market.Plenty of people would do those jobs if they at least paid a living wage and not as slave wage.Best example is one I have used, because I know someone personally affected by this but scenario repeats itself across the country.Regular Joe owns a lawn business, charges $100 for standard yard cut, etc.This 100% is not pure profit, still has to pay one worker, fuel, etc for equipment.Like any other person, has bills etc, certainly not going to get rich, but it pays the bills.Jose enters scene, will do the yard for $50, does not have to pay his worker(s) much, $50 is a lot of money to him.Now, I am for free market but when someone who is not even entitled to be here comes in and undercuts actual US citizens, forcing them to lower prices, thus they have less money to live on and find themselves working at or just above slave wages or in some cases, go out of business, that is wrong!

Sadly, in our bleeding heart society we won't do what is needed.A law that gives everyone here illegally one year to register, to go back home, and apply to come here legally, after that, anyone caught here illegally are subject to immediate deportation, no ands ifs or buts. .That with a secure border, problem solved.

They undercut nothing. They do jobs that those who feel that they are above will not do. Spend sometime investigating what white and black Americans do to the system and how they drain it for all it's worth. Thinking all legal persons here in the states are productive upright citizens is jaded. You will be astonished and disgusted. Yes, $50 is a lot to Jose. That is the difference between those that feel they should be making $100k fresh out of HS instead of working the ladder. But you know, John Smith's Lawn Care could have quoted $1.00 less than Joe's Lawn Care and the customer would have taken it. Business undercuts business. It is the nature of business. The other lawn care person in your scenario could have done the job for less or same charge. But, Joe's Lawn Care should understand there are others in his line of work that will quote and compete. Perhaps Joe should take up another line of work. Other than manual labor that these illegals do what other industry other than lawn care and construction is affected by illegals? I don't see undercutting throwing mulch as a threat to society financially or otherwise.

And to add, the homeowner, did he inquire if Jose is licensed and bonded? What if Jose mistakenly runs his mower through the homeowners house? Can Jose pay for the damages? Any homeowner should do their homework before contracting on for any types of repairs. The homeowner is at fault for accepting Jose's offer. I only contract on those that are licensed, bonded and insured. Can Jose prove any of these requirements of mine? No? Jose will not be working on my lawn then.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

No, they undercut the labor market.Plenty of people would do those jobs if they at least paid a living wage and not as slave wage.Best example is one I have used, because I know someone personally affected by this but scenario repeats itself across the country.Regular Joe owns a lawn business, charges $100 for standard yard cut, etc.This 100% is not pure profit, still has to pay one worker, fuel, etc for equipment.Like any other person, has bills etc, certainly not going to get rich, but it pays the bills.Jose enters scene, will do the yard for $50, does not have to pay his worker(s) much, $50 is a lot of money to him.Now, I am for free market but when someone who is not even entitled to be here comes in and undercuts actual US citizens, forcing them to lower prices, thus they have less money to live on and find themselves working at or just above slave wages or in some cases, go out of business, that is wrong!

Sadly, in our bleeding heart society we won't do what is needed.A law that gives everyone here illegally one year to register, to go back home, and apply to come here legally, after that, anyone caught here illegally are subject to immediate deportation, no ands ifs or buts. .That with a secure border, problem solved.

Illegals took over the construction market. I worked for a large commercial paint contractor for 22 years as a estimator/project manager. In the 80's we had over 200 US employees, paid a good wage, benefits, etc. As years passed, became hard to compete. Basically a legal Mexican would open up, hire about 20% legals, 80% illegals. They saved a fortune in work comp, paid about half the wage, no taxes, unemployment, just cash under the table. I know one legal that had a trailer park, housed probably 12 people per single wide, worked them for nothing.

To stay in business, you had to fire most your workers and hire Mexican sub contractors. In our town, in the 80's, you had several large in house large contractors....they're all gone, most illegals just work out of a home garage, dump all their leftover chemicals on the ground, etc.

This happened with several non licensed skill trades, painters, drywall, framers, bricklayers, etc...

When I opened my business, I was forced to do the same, basically a paper contractor that hired subs, most were legal, just worked illegals for nothing. They're numerous ways to get around it.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

They undercut nothing. They do jobs that those who feel that they are above will not do. Spend sometime investigating what white and black Americans do to the system and how they drain it for all it's worth. Thinking all legal persons here in the states are productive upright citizens is jaded. You will be astonished and disgusted. Yes, $50 is a lot to Jose. That is the difference between those that feel they should be making $100k fresh out of HS instead of working the ladder. But you know, John Smith's Lawn Care could have quoted $1.00 less than Joe's Lawn Care and the customer would have taken it. Business undercuts business. It is the nature of business. The other lawn care person in your scenario could have done the job for less or same charge. But, Joe's Lawn Care should understand there are others in his line of work that will quote and compete. Perhaps Joe should take up another line of work. Other than manual labor that these illegals do what other industry other than lawn care and construction is affected by illegals? I don't see undercutting throwing mulch as a threat to society financially or otherwise.

And to add, the homeowner, did he inquire if Jose is licensed and bonded? What if Jose mistakenly runs his mower through the homeowners house? Can Jose pay for the damages? Any homeowner should do their homework before contracting on for any types of repairs. The homeowner is at fault for accepting Jose's offer. I only contract on those that are licensed, bonded and insured. Can Jose prove any of these requirements of mine? No? Jose will not be working on my lawn then.

As I said, that's not how most of them work. They have a legal front. For instance, one sub I used was legal on paperwork, insurance, but most of his employees were simply cash under the table for $5 per hour. If by chance an illegal got hurt, they would have some one drag his arse to a hospital and say he fell at home.Trust me, the legal Mexican business owners are making a fortune off their illegal help. They have a neat system.

I think laws finally changed to where employers have to verify a SS is legal, but until about 2009 for sure, you didn't. An illegal would walk in with a valid DL and a nice fake SS. They filled out tax forms and would claim enough dependents that they paid no taxes. At the end of the year, most would leave, come back a few months later with a new name, etc....I would laugh at times when a 21 year old would claim 10 dependents......

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Illegals took over the construction market. I worked for a large commercial paint contractor for 22 years as a estimator/project manager. In the 80's we had over 200 US employees, paid a good wage, benefits, etc. As years passed, became hard to compete. Basically a legal Mexican would open up, hire about 20% legals, 80% illegals. They saved a fortune in work comp, paid about half the wage, no taxes, unemployment, just cash under the table. I know one legal that had a trailer park, housed probably 12 people per single wide, worked them for nothing.

To stay in business, you had to fire most your workers and hire Mexican sub contractors. In our town, in the 80's, you had several large in house large contractors....they're all gone, most illegals just work out of a home garage, dump all their leftover chemicals on the ground, etc.

This happened with several non licensed skill trades, painters, drywall, framers, bricklayers, etc...

When I opened my business, I was forced to do the same, basically a paper contractor that hired subs, most were legal, just worked illegals for nothing. They're numerous ways to get around it.

There are ways around that as well. Here in MD the Officals conduct raids on suspected business owners who are hiring illegals. The business owner receives heavy fines. Enough to put them out of business in some cases. The behavior of the business owners needs to change as well. Home owners need to change their behavior. Contracting on Jose without insurance or license can be a major headache if something goes wrong. We tend to point at the illegal all the time when it is of our own doing that causes these problems.