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nikimcbee · 12-12-10, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

containment policies do. They provoke violence. I remember a huge party at Western Michigan University that the police decided to surround, posturing for some kind of a "show of force". Some kid threw a bottle and it went from there. Tear gas, Mace, Pepper-spray paint balls...the whole 9 yards.

but we were just partying, you brits are clearly having your rights trodden on.

...and this is why all of our engineers come from India, Korea, Japan, and China.

US students go to school to drink; Asians go to learn.

gimpy117 · 12-12-10, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

...and this is why all of our engineers come from India, Korea, Japan, and China.

US students go to school to drink; Asians go to learn.

I debate that. You can have fun and still get a good education in this country. Part of the problem is that they keep those engineers in asia and make them work for much cheaper.

XabbaRus · 12-12-10, 03:17 PM

I understand the students being upset, but they do my head in as much as the politicians.

Given the last lot of protests ended in violence can you blame the police for wanting to contain them. Like I said too many students doing too many stupid courses, needs money. The tax payers are paying enough.

gimpy117 · 12-12-10, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Like I said too many students doing too many stupid courses, needs money. The tax payers are paying enough.

Well unfortunately these "stupid courses" no matter how dumb are becoming REQUIRED by the schools. I'm doing a technical degree and for some reason WMU thinks I need a music class. I'm sure its the same in england. Its a simple tool the schools use to get more money.

Jimbuna · 12-12-10, 04:17 PM

I'm not going to debate the rights and wrongs or who I believe is at fault but having been involved in civil disorder on quite a few occasions and commenting only on the live coverage I have seen on tv it is obvious there are faults on both sides.

If a protest is peaceful and the advice of the authorities is adhered to....and don't forget that is the job of the police and not the protestors as far as the statute books go....then there should be no need for violence.

There were obviously anarchists within the ranks of the protestors and the physical input originally stemmed from those within the protestors ranks.

As soon as that happens it is obviously seen as a breach of the law and the police have the lawful right to take whatever corrective measures their superiors deem acceptable.

Those measures must be 'reasonable' and whilst I readily admit there are faults on both sides, there may not have been any injured parties had the protestors remained 'peaceful' and not resorted to attempts at assaulting officers in the course of their lawful duty.

The protestors feel passionate about their treatment by the government and I agree with them but the minute they resort to violence I suspect they lose the majority of the public sympathy vote.

I watched a documentary about Rev Jessie Jackson today and was frankly shocked at the way Dr King and peaceful protestors were treated by the authorities in areas such as Alabama....now that is what I call excessive.

If similar treatment is passed out by one of our officers (the case above about the death of an innocent byestander being a classic example) and film/video footage is available (which is generally the case considering the depth of media coverage these days) then that officer will be dealt with under the same laws as those of said protestors who commit offences....of that I am confident.

Oberon · 12-12-10, 04:26 PM

It is a terrible shame that the police always get the short end of the stick in this, stuck between a rock and a hard place, I dare say more than a couple of them think that Tweedledum and Tweedledummer are doing a great job of annoying an already tense country, but it's their job to keep public order and so they have to protect the idiots that have gotten us into this mess to begin with.

DarkFish · 12-12-10, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Like I said too many students doing too many stupid courses, needs money.

But are all these "stupid courses" really university courses? That would make no sense, would it?
In the Netherlands, we've got courses like that as well, but they aren't universitary, and are subject to other much cheaper regulations AFAIK.

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

Well unfortunately these "stupid courses" no matter how dumb are becoming REQUIRED by the schools. I'm doing a technical degree and for some reason WMU thinks I need a music class. I'm sure its the same in england. Its a simple tool the schools use to get more money.

Of course I can't speak for the Brits, but here in the Netherlands I've never heard of stupid courses like that. I'm studying electrical engineering, and while certainly not every course we follow is related to engineering, all of them are related to engineering jobs (like writing reports, presentation, even an English course)

gimpy117 · 12-12-10, 05:11 PM

well again Darkfish, I'm doing Aviation maintainance, and I had to take a "Music appreciation" class last year. Why? I don't know

DarkFish · 12-12-10, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

well again Darkfish, I'm doing Aviation maintainance, and I had to take a "Music appreciation" class last year. Why? I don't know

To appreciate the beautiful sound of an aircraft engine of course

Jimbuna · 12-12-10, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

It is a terrible shame that the police always get the short end of the stick in this, stuck between a rock and a hard place, I dare say more than a couple of them think that Tweedledum and Tweedledummer are doing a great job of annoying an already tense country, but it's their job to keep public order and so they have to protect the idiots that have gotten us into this mess to begin with.

Of that I am confident.

bookworm_020 · 12-12-10, 05:36 PM

The students are complaining that they have to pay up to 9000 pounds for their courses? Students here would love to see that as their bills. You can also put into perspective, they will be earning more than 9000 more when they finish their course (except for the ones who will end up in the Macdonalds drive thru asking "do you want fries with that?")

Because of the attack on the royals any hope of keeping the public on their side has vanished.

XabbaRus · 12-12-10, 05:52 PM

gimpy, If I do an engineering degree then I do engineering classes. We don't have the system where you have to do something like music apprecation as a module of an engineering course, thank *******.

What we have here are the previous techy colleges now become unis offering these strange courses such as media studies that seem very vague.

OK I did Russian studies which some might see as a pointless degree and I haven't had a chance to use it in my current employment though I could have joined various organisations in government or other areas.

The problem is every employer requires some sort of higher qualification or so it seems therefore we have some odd degrees. Gone are the days of good vocational courses and apprentiships. Doesn't help that we don't manufacture much anymore.

I at the moment am studying an HNC in electrical engineering part time and in september next year I want to start the degree course also part time. It's not easy to find that high paying job and I think it is often a false assumption that graduates are going to always earn the big money.

nikimcbee · 12-12-10, 06:40 PM

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OK I did Russian studies which some might see as a pointless degree and I haven't had a chance to use it in my current employment though I could have joined various organisations in government or other areas.

We need to hook up sometime, so I can buy you a drink (or two). You have the same degree as me, but I added a teaching degree with it

...to make it more marketable

.

The problem; foreign languages are a dying subject in US schools (except Spanish

)

I have used my degree, but not recently. One interviewer told me he didn't care what my degree was, but it showed that I'm trainable. So, I'm trapped in the semiconductor industry.

I always felt sorry for the guys that go to the tech schools, that pay $32k to learn how to be a wafer fab technician in the semiconductor industry.

the_tyrant · 12-12-10, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

We need to hook up sometime, so I can buy you a drink (or two). You have the same degree as me, but I added a teaching degree with it

...to make it more marketable

.

The problem; foreign languages are a dying subject in US schools (except Spanish

)

I have used my degree, but not recently. One interviewer told me he didn't care what my degree was, but it showed that I'm trainable. So, I'm trapped in the semiconductor industry.

I always felt sorry for the guys that go to the tech schools, that pay $32k to learn how to be a wafer fab technician in the semiconductor industry.

in this current situation, Spanish is not a foreign language in the us

I want to study astrophysics in university. Its useless in real life though (i am afraid of doing astronomical research the rest of my life)

Jimbuna · 12-12-10, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

in this current situation, Spanish is not a foreign language in the us

I want to study astrophysics in university. Its useless in real life though (i am afraid of doing astronomical research the rest of my life)

Then try cookery....there's always someone that's hungry

12-12-10, 03:17 PM	#48
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I understand the students being upset, but they do my head in as much as the politicians. Given the last lot of protests ended in violence can you blame the police for wanting to contain them. Like I said too many students doing too many stupid courses, needs money. The tax payers are paying enough. __________________

12-12-10, 04:17 PM	#50
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,539 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I'm not going to debate the rights and wrongs or who I believe is at fault but having been involved in civil disorder on quite a few occasions and commenting only on the live coverage I have seen on tv it is obvious there are faults on both sides. If a protest is peaceful and the advice of the authorities is adhered to....and don't forget that is the job of the police and not the protestors as far as the statute books go....then there should be no need for violence. There were obviously anarchists within the ranks of the protestors and the physical input originally stemmed from those within the protestors ranks. As soon as that happens it is obviously seen as a breach of the law and the police have the lawful right to take whatever corrective measures their superiors deem acceptable. Those measures must be 'reasonable' and whilst I readily admit there are faults on both sides, there may not have been any injured parties had the protestors remained 'peaceful' and not resorted to attempts at assaulting officers in the course of their lawful duty. The protestors feel passionate about their treatment by the government and I agree with them but the minute they resort to violence I suspect they lose the majority of the public sympathy vote. I watched a documentary about Rev Jessie Jackson today and was frankly shocked at the way Dr King and peaceful protestors were treated by the authorities in areas such as Alabama....now that is what I call excessive. If similar treatment is passed out by one of our officers (the case above about the death of an innocent byestander being a classic example) and film/video footage is available (which is generally the case considering the depth of media coverage these days) then that officer will be dealt with under the same laws as those of said protestors who commit offences....of that I am confident. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-12-10, 05:11 PM	#53
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	well again Darkfish, I'm doing Aviation maintainance, and I had to take a "Music appreciation" class last year. Why? I don't know __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

12-12-10, 05:36 PM	#56
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The students are complaining that they have to pay up to 9000 pounds for their courses? Students here would love to see that as their bills. You can also put into perspective, they will be earning more than 9000 more when they finish their course (except for the ones who will end up in the Macdonalds drive thru asking "do you want fries with that?") Because of the attack on the royals any hope of keeping the public on their side has vanished. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

12-12-10, 05:52 PM	#57
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	gimpy, If I do an engineering degree then I do engineering classes. We don't have the system where you have to do something like music apprecation as a module of an engineering course, thank *******. What we have here are the previous techy colleges now become unis offering these strange courses such as media studies that seem very vague. OK I did Russian studies which some might see as a pointless degree and I haven't had a chance to use it in my current employment though I could have joined various organisations in government or other areas. The problem is every employer requires some sort of higher qualification or so it seems therefore we have some odd degrees. Gone are the days of good vocational courses and apprentiships. Doesn't help that we don't manufacture much anymore. I at the moment am studying an HNC in electrical engineering part time and in september next year I want to start the degree course also part time. It's not easy to find that high paying job and I think it is often a false assumption that graduates are going to always earn the big money. __________________

12-12-10, 04:26 PM	#51
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It is a terrible shame that the police always get the short end of the stick in this, stuck between a rock and a hard place, I dare say more than a couple of them think that Tweedledum and Tweedledummer are doing a great job of annoying an already tense country, but it's their job to keep public order and so they have to protect the idiots that have gotten us into this mess to begin with.