Tuition hike protesters attack car carrying Prince Charles, Camilla

Gerald · 12-10-10, 03:25 AM

London (CNN) -- Protesters enraged by a Parliament vote to triple university tuition rate caps, attacked a car carrying Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, Thursday night.

The demonstrators broke a window and tossed paint on the car, however neither royal family member was injured in the attack.

'We can confirm that their Royal Highnesses' car was attacked by protesters on the way to their engagement at the London Palladium this evening," a spokesman for the prince said. "Their Royal Highnesses are unharmed."

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eu...ex.html?hpt=T2

Note: December 10, 2010 Updated 0757 GMT (1557 HKT)

GoldenRivet · 12-10-10, 03:51 AM

I'd be pissed too.

Herr-Berbunch · 12-10-10, 04:15 AM

It's not like they have to stump up (up to) £9k up front, they have to be earning above a certain threshold and pay back the price of a night out (debatable) per month. Is it not a price worth paying for investing in your own future?

Now I believe future tuition fees should include paying for damage and policing during these riots!

Alternatively they could do what the rest of us do and get a job and study part time.

Onkel Neal · 12-10-10, 08:24 AM

Everything should be free, and we should all be getting a salary of a $ million a year. That would solve everything.

danlisa · 12-10-10, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

It's not like they have to stump up (up to) £9k up front, they have to be earning above a certain threshold and pay back the price of a night out (debatable) per month. Is it not a price worth paying for investing in your own future?

True, repay is set to a pre-tax amount of £21000 per annum but that's not the students concern.

Basic university courses are 4/5 years long, with medical or legal being longer than 7. After 5 years of tuition, a graduate leaves with £50000 of debt.

This graduate has to now find a job and a place to live to enjoy their education, job and future.

Ah yes! I'll see the bank manager and get a mortgage on this property. Bank manager is all like

, no chance with that debt.

Students are blacklisted the moment they leave university.

In this day and age of national debt and economy concerns, is it prudent to ensure that our nations future are debted to their eyeballs before they even commence employment.

I support the protests (not the violence) purely because a government shouldn't promise no rise in tuition fees (or the actual removal of fees) and then do the opposite thing.

The Charles and Camilla incident is pure idiocy. I can't think of anyone in this country that has done more for the young generation then Prince Chuck.

Jimbuna · 12-10-10, 08:46 AM

Outrageous, the student protesters attacked Prince Charles car and a helpless looking horse.

Prince Charles was reported to be fine, but Camilla was a little shaken ...

Oberon · 12-10-10, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Everything should be free, and we should all be getting a salary of a $ million a year. That would solve everything.

Amen Brother.

In all seriousness though, attacking the Royal car was a mistake and gave focus to all the media services on that particular incident as opposed to the events of the entire day, including a rather impressive cavalry charge into the middle of the crowd. The Daily Fails was the best of them all...wait for it... "THE FEAR IN HER EYES!"

I do feel sorry for the police stuck in the middle of it, particularly given the fact that they're protecting a system which is effectively broken, and like the crowds were chanting at the cops yesterday "You're next."

Cameron must be rubbing his hands in glee, his proposal has gotten through (just) and the person who is taking the most flak for it is Clegg.
Clegg, by not showing a bit of backbone, has basically put the Lib Dems back into the stone ages. The one major chance they had to prove themselves and they're blown it big time.

My vote will be going to the Monster Raving Loony Party next time I think, they're about the only ones who know what they're doing.

Anyway, people in the media saying about the "anarchy, riots, destruction", have pretty darn short memories, it was only about ten years ago we were watching this on television:

The police have certainly improved tactics since then, and I dare say casualties have been reduced too.

SteamWake · 12-10-10, 09:42 AM

Yea that whole scene looked pretty ugly. I hope the US never comes to that point because they wont stop at breaking windows. Hell look what we do when a sports team wins or loses for that matter.

But I'm with neal free pensions for everyone !!!

Jimbuna · 12-10-10, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Amen Brother.

In all seriousness though, attacking the Royal car was a mistake and gave focus to all the media services on that particular incident as opposed to the events of the entire day, including a rather impressive cavalry charge into the middle of the crowd. The Daily Fails was the best of them all...wait for it... "THE FEAR IN HER EYES!"

I do feel sorry for the police stuck in the middle of it, particularly given the fact that they're protecting a system which is effectively broken, and like the crowds were chanting at the cops yesterday "You're next."

Cameron must be rubbing his hands in glee, his proposal has gotten through (just) and the person who is taking the most flak for it is Clegg.
Clegg, by not showing a bit of backbone, has basically put the Lib Dems back into the stone ages. The one major chance they had to prove themselves and they're blown it big time.

My vote will be going to the Monster Raving Loony Party next time I think, they're about the only ones who know what they're doing.

Anyway, people in the media saying about the "anarchy, riots, destruction", have pretty darn short memories, it was only about ten years ago we were watching this on television:

The police have certainly improved tactics since then, and I dare say casualties have been reduced too.

Ah yes, the poll tax riots....and a smashing time was had by all

Capt Sinbad · 12-10-10, 10:14 AM

Peaceful protest in the UK gets you no where

SteamWake · 12-10-10, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt Sinbad

Peaceful protest in the UK gets you no where

Violence makes you look crazy though.

August · 12-10-10, 12:30 PM

The money for that "free" education has to come from somewhere. Maybe you Brits could cut back on NHS services or something?

joegrundman · 12-10-10, 12:54 PM

The thing about these protests is that they come with a context that is distinct from the US national discourse.

It is a generational thing, and intertwined with the financial crisis.

The financial crisis in Britain is serious, and is in short the very large national debt. The dramatic growth of this national debt had two components. Firstly overlarge public spending with Brown as chancellor and then prime minister, secondly the huge spending on the financial sector to prevent it from collapsing altogether. In this the British taxpayer bought out the debt of the banks.

The British press is becoming ever more partisan on the matter, and all blame is shifted to just one of these two causes, depending on the political viewpoint of the newspaper (see if you can guess which supports which view).

In any case, this government has decided that the answer is to massively cut down on that part of public spending which does not negatively affect the financial sector, but keep spending on that which helps it (eg the bailout of ireland which is mainly in effect a second bank bailout for british banks)

One of the many areas that are targeted for savings is student tuition fees.

To an american there seems to be no reason why taxpayers should have to pay for students, and the right-wing press in britain is full of pundits pontificating on the absurd entitlement attitude of modern youth.

But it is worth appreciating that every single legislator and pundit in britain (except the very young and precocious) paid absolutely nothing in tuition fees, and may well have also had living costs paid for courtesy of the taxpayer. That these same people in secure positions later in life are saying to the young that the young must pay where the older generation had it easy is an unpleasant thing to hear, especially when those that must pay did nothing to contribute to the financial crisis whereas those that are now legislating are the generation that made such a mess of it.

It is not just student debts, house prices have gone crazy in britain as a result of silly financial policy and now the average age of first home buying is expected to increase by about 10 years from how it has been until recently. in short it looks to the younger generation as if they are being punished in order to pay for the foul ups of the older.

It may be that the student protests have no hope of substantial change from what is planned, but it's possible to sympathise with the sentiments.

As for scaring the royal couple. whatever. they are not in hospital tonight unlike half a dozen policemen and about 50 students.

gimpy117 · 12-10-10, 02:20 PM

Personally, I don't care if england is in a hard time. Politicians talk and talk and talk about how "our children are our future" but then they let college tuition go through the roof. It's as if once we graduate high school they don't care. I'm glad to see such vigorous protest across the pond, education is something everyone should be able to have, and especially be able to have without getting buried in debt. Here in the USA and Britain, places where our parents had it pretty easy, the kids are now being pressed harder and harder. Tuition is skyrocketing, its expected to double in the next 10 years, something i highly doubt the CPI will do. I recall my parents saying that they worked an entire summer to pay their tuition for the year. Now, us kids work an entire summer to pay for the part they're aid or loans do not cover.

There is going to be a rude awakening in this nation when only the few can afford higher education. Unfortunately I think that day is soon to come.

Oberon · 12-10-10, 02:26 PM

I think a good deal of the anger comes from this:

Most students voted for the Lib Dems on this basis, and now they feel betrayed. It's the usual game of politics, but students haven't had the god alone knows how many years of being shafted by politicians that the older generation has had.

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Tuition hike protesters attack car carrying Prince Charles, Camilla London (CNN) -- Protesters enraged by a Parliament vote to triple university tuition rate caps, attacked a car carrying Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, Thursday night. The demonstrators broke a window and tossed paint on the car, however neither royal family member was injured in the attack. 'We can confirm that their Royal Highnesses' car was attacked by protesters on the way to their engagement at the London Palladium this evening," a spokesman for the prince said. "Their Royal Highnesses are unharmed." http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eu...ex.html?hpt=T2 Note: December 10, 2010 Updated 0757 GMT (1557 HKT) __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I'd be pissed too. __________________

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Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	It's not like they have to stump up (up to) £9k up front, they have to be earning above a certain threshold and pay back the price of a night out (debatable) per month. Is it not a price worth paying for investing in your own future? Now I believe future tuition fees should include paying for damage and policing during these riots! Alternatively they could do what the rest of us do and get a job and study part time. __________________

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Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Everything should be free, and we should all be getting a salary of a $ million a year. That would solve everything. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Outrageous, the student protesters attacked Prince Charles car and a helpless looking horse. Prince Charles was reported to be fine, but Camilla was a little shaken ... __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Yea that whole scene looked pretty ugly. I hope the US never comes to that point because they wont stop at breaking windows. Hell look what we do when a sports team wins or loses for that matter. But I'm with neal free pensions for everyone !!! __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

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Capt Sinbad Loader Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 84 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Peaceful protest in the UK gets you no where

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The money for that "free" education has to come from somewhere. Maybe you Brits could cut back on NHS services or something? __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	The thing about these protests is that they come with a context that is distinct from the US national discourse. It is a generational thing, and intertwined with the financial crisis. The financial crisis in Britain is serious, and is in short the very large national debt. The dramatic growth of this national debt had two components. Firstly overlarge public spending with Brown as chancellor and then prime minister, secondly the huge spending on the financial sector to prevent it from collapsing altogether. In this the British taxpayer bought out the debt of the banks. The British press is becoming ever more partisan on the matter, and all blame is shifted to just one of these two causes, depending on the political viewpoint of the newspaper (see if you can guess which supports which view). In any case, this government has decided that the answer is to massively cut down on that part of public spending which does not negatively affect the financial sector, but keep spending on that which helps it (eg the bailout of ireland which is mainly in effect a second bank bailout for british banks) One of the many areas that are targeted for savings is student tuition fees. To an american there seems to be no reason why taxpayers should have to pay for students, and the right-wing press in britain is full of pundits pontificating on the absurd entitlement attitude of modern youth. But it is worth appreciating that every single legislator and pundit in britain (except the very young and precocious) paid absolutely nothing in tuition fees, and may well have also had living costs paid for courtesy of the taxpayer. That these same people in secure positions later in life are saying to the young that the young must pay where the older generation had it easy is an unpleasant thing to hear, especially when those that must pay did nothing to contribute to the financial crisis whereas those that are now legislating are the generation that made such a mess of it. It is not just student debts, house prices have gone crazy in britain as a result of silly financial policy and now the average age of first home buying is expected to increase by about 10 years from how it has been until recently. in short it looks to the younger generation as if they are being punished in order to pay for the foul ups of the older. It may be that the student protests have no hope of substantial change from what is planned, but it's possible to sympathise with the sentiments. As for scaring the royal couple. whatever. they are not in hospital tonight unlike half a dozen policemen and about 50 students. __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

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gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	Personally, I don't care if england is in a hard time. Politicians talk and talk and talk about how "our children are our future" but then they let college tuition go through the roof. It's as if once we graduate high school they don't care. I'm glad to see such vigorous protest across the pond, education is something everyone should be able to have, and especially be able to have without getting buried in debt. Here in the USA and Britain, places where our parents had it pretty easy, the kids are now being pressed harder and harder. Tuition is skyrocketing, its expected to double in the next 10 years, something i highly doubt the CPI will do. I recall my parents saying that they worked an entire summer to pay their tuition for the year. Now, us kids work an entire summer to pay for the part they're aid or loans do not cover. There is going to be a rude awakening in this nation when only the few can afford higher education. Unfortunately I think that day is soon to come. __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I think a good deal of the anger comes from this: Most students voted for the Lib Dems on this basis, and now they feel betrayed. It's the usual game of politics, but students haven't had the god alone knows how many years of being shafted by politicians that the older generation has had.