Are there any real deal breakers in SH5 ?

[pythos]

Sh3 to me, had no deal breaking things. Most of the problems were dealt with with mods (yes even Sh3 was rife with bugs) or patches.

sh4 to me was dead. This had one major deal killer for me. The crew management system that was programmed to forget to clear the bridge when the sub was under water. The animated crew would leave the bridge, but their programs were still there. The water and the pressure did not effect them....but the bombs or depth charges killed them. In order to prevent this on every dive you had to one by on drag the crew to the rest areas, or other areas of the sub (Sh3 handled surface crew positions and underwater positions automatically. Why this system was not implemented into 4 is beyond me.) This issue was never dealt with. Other things with four was the near complete lack of hull creaks as the boat descended, though not a deal killer, it was definitely a realism killer.

Now Sh5. Visually stunning...but why oh why did they mess with the interface? That was never something any of the community made comments about. This took up development time that could have been dedicated to other stuff.

For me an immersion killer is how the engines sound. Increase speed: volume goes up for the propellers, motors, diesels, and waves....not the frequency. This is the same for speed decreases. What the hell did they mess with this for anyway? No one complained about how the engines actually behaved.....like engines, not sound systems.

DRM.......nuff said.

I like the RPG aspect, I don't like it's implementation. Why on earth did they remove the commands for the deck gun and AA gun targeting? I like having interaction with your crew, I don't like how the conversation progress is not recorded resulting in you having to start over if you have to reload, either due to DRM issues, or rig issues.

The friendly AI doing suicide runs on docks or shorelines. Dumb. Should have been fixed from sh4.

But, deal killers.....I can see none at this time. At least on my rig the game is VERY stable compared to both sh3 and sh4 (sh4 crashed continuously )

The lack of different sub classes is self explanatory. Look at the work put into the interior of one class. This work is fantastic, if simple looking....it in no ways is. I have a feeling IF the community is not overly critical (too late?) we will see add ons like U boat add on for 4 coming down the pike to complete the game. Who knows.

I do like how the convoys DO NOT crazily maneuver after a torpedo strike...this was so unrealistic. Freighters and tankers DO NOT maneuver like that. They are huge and take a lot to maneuver, and trying to do that inside a tightly packed convoy could result in collisions.

I think sh5 is COMPLETELY salvageable what with the devs and the modders.

Give it time. Quite griping and enjoy what may be the last incarnation of this series. (I know if I were the devs and saw some of the stuff people have written about my work I would have said eff you, and moved on)

[IanC]

Originally Posted by pythos

Quite griping and enjoy what may be the last incarnation of this series. (I know if I were the devs and saw some of the stuff people have written about my work I would have said eff you, and moved on)

You have that backwards don't you? Because after seeing the state they gave us SH4 and now 5, I'm saying eff you to them, and moving on.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by pythos

Sh3 to me, had no deal breaking things. Most of the problems were dealt with with mods (yes even Sh3 was rife with bugs) or patches.

sh4 to me was dead. This had one major deal killer for me. The crew management system that was programmed to forget to clear the bridge when the sub was under water. The animated crew would leave the bridge, but their programs were still there. The water and the pressure did not effect them....but the bombs or depth charges killed them. In order to prevent this on every dive you had to one by on drag the crew to the rest areas, or other areas of the sub (Sh3 handled surface crew positions and underwater positions automatically. Why this system was not implemented into 4 is beyond me.) This issue was never dealt with. Other things with four was the near complete lack of hull creaks as the boat descended, though not a deal killer, it was definitely a realism killer.

Now Sh5. Visually stunning...but why oh why did they mess with the interface? That was never something any of the community made comments about. This took up development time that could have been dedicated to other stuff.

For me an immersion killer is how the engines sound. Increase speed: volume goes up for the propellers, motors, diesels, and waves....not the frequency. This is the same for speed decreases. What the hell did they mess with this for anyway? No one complained about how the engines actually behaved.....like engines, not sound systems.

DRM.......nuff said.

I like the RPG aspect, I don't like it's implementation. Why on earth did they remove the commands for the deck gun and AA gun targeting? I like having interaction with your crew, I don't like how the conversation progress is not recorded resulting in you having to start over if you have to reload, either due to DRM issues, or rig issues.

The friendly AI doing suicide runs on docks or shorelines. Dumb. Should have been fixed from sh4.

But, deal killers.....I can see none at this time. At least on my rig the game is VERY stable compared to both sh3 and sh4 (sh4 crashed continuously )

The lack of different sub classes is self explanatory. Look at the work put into the interior of one class. This work is fantastic, if simple looking....it in no ways is. I have a feeling IF the community is not overly critical (too late?) we will see add ons like U boat add on for 4 coming down the pike to complete the game. Who knows.

I do like how the convoys DO NOT crazily maneuver after a torpedo strike...this was so unrealistic. Freighters and tankers DO NOT maneuver like that. They are huge and take a lot to maneuver, and trying to do that inside a tightly packed convoy could result in collisions.

I think sh5 is COMPLETELY salvageable what with the devs and the modders.

Give it time. Quite griping and enjoy what may be the last incarnation of this series. (I know if I were the devs and saw some of the stuff people have written about my work I would have said eff you, and moved on)

Excellent post and pretty much sums up the way I feel about the game too.

@ IanC -Moving on where exactly?

[IanC]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

@ IanC -Moving on where exactly?

I was turning his post around, I guess I need to explain that to you. If you also want a literal answer, I've actually moved my focus back to Aces of the Deep.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by IanC

I was turning his post around, I guess I need to explain that to you. If you also want a literal answer, I've actually moved my focus back to Aces of the Deep.

Fair enough - realised how daft it sounded after I typed it lol.

I've always got Eve to play so it's not the end of the world if I do decided to stop playing, I just think it will be a real shame if SHV ends up being the last WW2 subsim and without support from Ubisoft that's a real possibility.

That said I agree with most about the DRM and it really really needs a couple of patches to survive.

I guess its up to Ubisoft now.

[Nafod81]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

That may be true, Bones. But I don't know

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Neal if that was, and I believe it was indeed you, NICE WORK.

[Seeadler]

I never get the feeling, yes this is it to be at that time on one of the u-boots, so it is roughly not the feeling told in stories of veterans told in many books.

It seems to me too much the element of a fantasy story, like Bethesda Oblivion at sea in the times of WWII but never ever reach the quality and presentation of Oblivion.

The game has many good aspects, but not fully developed and/or functional developed to an meaningful result!

[Nafod81]

Originally Posted by SubV

Here's the link to the youtube video that illustrates a very serious, gamebreaking bug in SH5:



This issue cannot be fixed with modding.

Discussion here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=166310

Doesn't it only work on the slow speed setting? I'm unsure if he's firing electric torps or not. Wasn't there a similar speed requirement in SHIII as well?

[THE_MASK]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Inability of crew to spot anything neutral as in SH4
REAL killer that one
May as well not have any neutral shipping out there

Inability to see ANY campaign changes unless start a new career

Both of those suck royal and can only be fixed by the devs AFAIK

Try this.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ghlight=sobers
and this
change in cfg main
TimeStop=0
RealTime=1
LandProximity=8,64
CriticalDamage=1,256
CrewEfficiency=128
AirEnemyDetected=1,32
SoundEffects=2
CharacterAnim=32
FriendDetected=1,64
EnemyDetected=1,64
RadioReport=1,1
Particles=32
PrayState=1,32
HunterState=1,32
3DRender=32
Maximum=256,64 change the green number to whatever max you like but keep the red number as 64 and only use to leave port etc .

change when in port

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by janh

I though they had opened up all the AI scripts to modding with this release? I thought that was the big excitement about "enhanced modability"? Don't scare me.

The AI can modded to some point, but its bound to be linked up some some code. The coded cant be modded...

[Catfish]

Online requirement is the deal breaker.

Greetings,
Catfish

[Decoman]

I think the buggy sound effects for walking and running inside the uboat is really annoying. Hehe it sounds like someone is cartoonishly tripping across the plated floor. I really want to see this corrected.

Edit: Happens when the sound effect overlap or something, not sure what is happening.

[horsa]

Alexandru89

5. crap systems

I'm interested to know more about this

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by horsa

SH5 was a train crash. Right ?

Morale was broken.
too many unnecessary changes to the UI,
very little information on what to do or how to do it ,
character dialogue tediously limited
lack of sub damage control
and so on ....

But hey . Wait. What is really missing ?
A lot of stuff is in there but either underdeveloped (like the character dialogue) or inexplicably hidden away (like compass and 'depth under keel'). All moddable.


Which are the real deal breakers of SH5 ????

all of the above should be in.

famous car analogy
they offer you a car with no steering wheel and no left side brakes, no manueal and really weird and unuseable dashboard dials, and that is a deal breaker to me any day.

and no, even tho i have tools to fix it, i pay the seller for a complete product.

am i stupid or What?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

all of the above should be in.

famous car analogy
they offer you a car with no steering wheel and no left side brakes, no manueal and really weird and unuseable dashboard dials, and that is a deal breaker to me any day.

and no, even tho i have tools to fix it, i pay the seller for a complete product.

am i stupid or What?

No, you're not stupid. But you are ignoring the original question.

Originally Posted by horsa

Forget the ethics for a moment ( Ubi sucks, unfinished product, why rely on unpaid modders, yaddy ya yaddy ya ......) .
What features are really missing or annoyingly obtrusive. So much so that they are real deal breakers for you? Things that should be in (or not in), which no amount of modding can put right ( like the red triangle in SH2).