Are there any real deal breakers in SH5 ?

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by horsa

SH5 was a train crash. Right ?

Morale was broken.
too many unnecessary changes to the UI,
very little information on what to do or how to do it ,
character dialogue tediously limited
lack of sub damage control
and so on ....

But hey . Wait. What is really missing ?
A lot of stuff is in there but either underdeveloped (like the character dialogue) or inexplicably hidden away (like compass and 'depth under keel'). All moddable.


Which are the real deal breakers of SH5 ????

all of the above should be in.

famous car analogy
they offer you a car with no steering wheel and no left side brakes, no manueal and really weird and unuseable dashboard dials, and that is a deal breaker to me any day.

and no, even tho i have tools to fix it, i pay the seller for a complete product.

am i stupid or What?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

all of the above should be in.

famous car analogy
they offer you a car with no steering wheel and no left side brakes, no manueal and really weird and unuseable dashboard dials, and that is a deal breaker to me any day.

and no, even tho i have tools to fix it, i pay the seller for a complete product.

am i stupid or What?

No, you're not stupid. But you are ignoring the original question.

Originally Posted by horsa

Forget the ethics for a moment ( Ubi sucks, unfinished product, why rely on unpaid modders, yaddy ya yaddy ya ......) .
What features are really missing or annoyingly obtrusive. So much so that they are real deal breakers for you? Things that should be in (or not in), which no amount of modding can put right ( like the red triangle in SH2).

[HundertzehnGustav]

Unfinished product, why rely on unpaid modders, yaddy ya yaddy ya

wich means ignore all problems SHV has?
(--> not to mention their DRM)

why start this thread and ask for opinions?
if Unfinished product, why rely on unpaid modders, yaddy ya yaddy ya is no deal breaker, then tell me:

what is?

(--> not to mention their DRM)

and i honestly ask that question.

The way the question s phrased, everything bad about SHV (Unfinished product, why rely on unpaid modders, yaddy ya yaddy ya) can not be named as a "deal breaker".

I find it funny...
if

Unfinished product, why rely on unpaid modders, yaddy ya yaddy ya

is no deal breaker... then maybe it is time to wake up for some people?

ela-ali-baba is making relatively good money, and his team as well.IMO...
instead of collectinbg welfare checks.

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I see what the OP is trying to achieve: he is trying to draw a list of things the community needs to work on, he has a positive "pro-work", "lets-get-it-done" attitude. Focus on the future, stop the ranting about the past.
Still, i shake my head and refuse to buy a product as deeply flawed as this one.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

I see what the OP is trying to achieve: he is trying to draw a list of things the community needs to work on, he has a positive "pro-work", "lets-get-it-done" attitude. Focus on the future, stop the ranting about the past.
Still, i shake my head and refuse to buy a product as deeply flawed as this one.

He's trying to get a reasoned debate going about issues ingame, he's trying to do this without the usual trolling

You've somehow missed that point

[tommyk]

> Are there any real deal breakers in SH5 ?

For me the answer is simple: all of it...

DRM, Bugs & Game-Design are not what I will spend my money on...

too much WoW: Bring me 12 spromkis, no wait, sink me 500 ships

[HundertzehnGustav]

No... i did NOT miss that.0 I understood. proof:

"i see what OP is trying to achieve:..."

no matter, thanks for telling lme i am trolling (and by definition, am a troll)

o put it more harshly:
the OP is blind as hell, and the community has gotten the shaft up their collective arses this time.

and yet they (okay... the OP) are/is trying to stay positive... stop the bleeding.

That is a situation where i would avise "seeing someone" or "taking legal action" instead of "licking its own wounds". Yum.



or if it is indeed "licking its own wounds"... then even the question is useless:
-Players have pointed out the problems, and keep doing so all the time
-Ubi is still releaseing minor updates (i guess?)
-the problems listed must be modded
-there is a mods section.


Bottom line:
even the OP question( i applaude your positive attitude, Sir)
no matter how good its intention is

• is Flawed (can not list the fundamental problems)

• useless (there is bug reporting and modding/fixing going on next door)

at the same time.
So why ask the question?

Forgive me my rather black and white way of seeing things... This time around, i see no real way to do otherwise.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

No... i did NOT miss that.0 I understood. proof:

"i see what OP is trying to achieve:..."

no matter, thanks for telling lme i am trolling (and by definition, am a troll)

o put it more harshly:
the OP is blind as hell, and the community has gotten the shaft up their collective arses this time.

and yet they (okay... the OP) are/is trying to stay positive... stop the bleeding.

That is a situation where i would avise "seeing someone" or "taking legal action" instead of "licking its own wounds". Yum.



or if it is indeed "licking its own wounds"... then even the question is useless:
-Players have pointed out the problems, and keep doing so all the time
-Ubi is still releaseing minor updates (i guess?)
-the problems listed must be modded
-there is a mods section.


Bottom line:
even the OP question( i applaude your positive attitude, Sir)
no matter how good its intention is

• is Flawed (can not list the fundamental problems)

• useless (there is bug reporting and modding/fixing going on next door)

at the same time.
So why ask the question?

Forgive me my rather black and white way of seeing things... This time around, i see no real way to do otherwise.

Sorry didn't see you reply right away. I was too busy playing my bugged and broken unplayable game (and enjoying playing it too)

I think the point you are missing (still) is that the game needs work , no-one can deny that. But most of us who actually own the game are still enjoying playing it.

I'll go back to my bugged game now

[janh]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Sorry didn't see you reply right away. I was too busy playing my bugged and broken unplayable game (and enjoying playing it too)

I think the point you are missing (still) is that the game needs work , no-one can deny that. But most of us who actually own the game are still enjoying playing it.

I'll go back to my bugged game now

And that's why I still am hopeful that it will be a worthy sequel to SHIII one day. And why I keep checking the forum for a "big announcement"...

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

No... i did NOT miss that.0 I understood.

No, you're still missing the point. This thread isn't about what you're going on about. You can have your opinion, but the topic of this thread isn't about what you're opining on. It's poor forum etiquette to disregard a thread's topic and hijack it with your own subject.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Sooo okay?

i re-red the first post, wich defines what this thread is about.
Hmm.
what are the deal breakers? what prevents people like me to buy the game?

Quite a bit of deal breakers here imo...

Disregard the half product, disregard the Ubi bashing, disregard the yadda yadda...

There are no more Deal breakers any more...?

The first post gives me a question to answer.

What are the Deal breakers?

My answer is:

The way the first post is worded, the way my answers are limited, i am "pushed" to admit that the game is good, has no problems and works as advertized. That is has no deal breakers, because the actual deal breakers are banned from the answer list.

A) that aint my opinion
B) that aint other peoples opinion
C) the question sugests an answer to the user reading said question.
D) that leaves no room for discussion

and also included in my answer is:
why ask such a question if there are no possible deal breakers? sort of "WTF!? " spontaneous reaction.

Does that make me a Troll?



cooool.