All ships, planes and subs - Page 4

JU_88 · 02-11-10, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

need Ju88 to reimport all GWX/SHIII planes to SHV
this is awful...
americn corporate greed wanting dollars for depicting oldtimer planes in games. Horrible, just horrible.

No importing from GWX, I have some better work to use for SHV, Sh3 models will look real sh1tty in SHV without alot of remodling, reskining, light maps etc.
And devs, you JU-88 is a JU-188, I should know

Sailor Steve · 02-11-10, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by conus00

Consolidated PBY-5 Catalina Lvl 2

(couldn't resist)

If I unlock it, can I fly it?

longam · 02-11-10, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Waitaminute...

What is that?

Could be n Easter Egg because its real close to this...

MercurySeven · 02-11-10, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by conus00

Just a minor detail: every AI controlled sub has an "(AI)" attached to the name. How come that IIA does not? Does it mean that there might be IIA actually playable in the game?

Training mission?

JU_88 · 02-11-10, 07:00 PM

one more time.....

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Originally Posted by JU_88

The U.S aircraft are fictional, but are 'loosly based' on historic ones
its the same licensing issue that plagued SH4. Its not the devs fault.

Frederf · 02-11-10, 08:18 PM

It really is sad how the likeness of these 70+ year old planes can still be owned. I understand a license to the actual design such that you couldn't start a F-6F factory and start pumping out replicas as if you invented the thing, but a painting of a B-17 isn't freely allowed?

Also the German Liberty Ship is just a consequence how programatically they are modular like that. You could fly the Swedish flag over a BB easily... it doesn't mean there are going to be Swedish BBs in the actual campaign. Some careless programmer probably randomized ship types with nation flags for the purposes of making these preview screenshots and these are just some funny results of that.

Sailor Steve · 02-11-10, 08:28 PM

The whole 'license' thing bugs me too. Thirty years ago I worked for Utah's only model distributor. At that time there was a flap when Chevrolet told the model companies they were going to start requiring a license fee. Revell and Monogram both said "That's okay. We just won't make models of your cars anymore."

I think the retraction went something like "Oh, um, there's some kind of misunderstanding..."

Letum · 02-11-10, 08:48 PM

Ubisoft got sued by Grumman a few years ago for use of the Grumman
name, but not the aircraft likeness. It was settled out of court, but I
guess Ubi are now a little wary.
That said, even after the Grumman case, Ubi did release products
featuring exact likenesses of Grumman and other US planes without
any deal between the two companies.

longam · 02-11-10, 08:51 PM

That is so messed up, like who would care is a game had a plane in it from WWII.

THE_MASK · 02-11-10, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Para

No my dear fellow, i rather like to think it more Shakes fear, with to much anticipation for ones love of the sh sims.

I think it all started when i rudely quiped 4Para about the english language

Blood_splat · 02-11-10, 11:21 PM

Weren't some of those planes built with tax payers money?

Letum · 02-11-10, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Blood_splat

Weren't some of those planes built with tax payers money?

No.
They where just bought by the gov. after they where built.

Frederf · 02-12-10, 12:17 AM

Educational materials can skirt these kinds of rules with fair use. A textbook about WWII can't be sued just for putting a picture of a Grumman plane in it. Maybe some day Silent Hunter will rise to the level of educational material.

Highbury · 02-12-10, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

No.
They where just bought by the gov. after they where built.

After they were designed. The military then orders them, then they are built. They don't keep thousands on hand hoping the military comes calling.

The whole process does consume tax-payers money but the designs are still patented.

HundertzehnGustav · 02-12-10, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

No importing from GWX, I have some better work to use for SHV, Sh3 models will look real sh1tty in SHV without alot of remodling, reskining, light maps etc.
And devs, you JU-88 is a JU-188, I should know

dont care!
The SHIII Catalina had at least the right number of engines...

Can you see my disgusted face...
damn fekkn copyright issues...

the brits are not as stupid as that, we get some accurate planes.

Poor devs, what bullshat they must have gone through...

02-11-10, 08:28 PM	#52
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The whole 'license' thing bugs me too. Thirty years ago I worked for Utah's only model distributor. At that time there was a flap when Chevrolet told the model companies they were going to start requiring a license fee. Revell and Monogram both said "That's okay. We just won't make models of your cars anymore." I think the retraction went something like "Oh, um, there's some kind of misunderstanding..." __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-11-10, 08:48 PM	#53
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Ubisoft got sued by Grumman a few years ago for use of the Grumman name, but not the aircraft likeness. It was settled out of court, but I guess Ubi are now a little wary. That said, even after the Grumman case, Ubi did release products featuring exact likenesses of Grumman and other US planes without any deal between the two companies. __________________ Last edited by Letum; 02-11-10 at 09:16 PM.

02-11-10, 08:18 PM	#51
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	It really is sad how the likeness of these 70+ year old planes can still be owned. I understand a license to the actual design such that you couldn't start a F-6F factory and start pumping out replicas as if you invented the thing, but a painting of a B-17 isn't freely allowed? Also the German Liberty Ship is just a consequence how programatically they are modular like that. You could fly the Swedish flag over a BB easily... it doesn't mean there are going to be Swedish BBs in the actual campaign. Some careless programmer probably randomized ship types with nation flags for the purposes of making these preview screenshots and these are just some funny results of that.

02-11-10, 08:51 PM	#54
longam Admiral Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,014 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	That is so messed up, like who would care is a game had a plane in it from WWII.

02-11-10, 11:21 PM	#56
Blood_splat Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beneath the waves Posts: 568 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Weren't some of those planes built with tax payers money?

02-12-10, 12:17 AM	#58
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	Educational materials can skirt these kinds of rules with fair use. A textbook about WWII can't be sued just for putting a picture of a Grumman plane in it. Maybe some day Silent Hunter will rise to the level of educational material.